A few people asked for this, so here it is.
My personal thoughts. - They trade blows, neither one is always the best.
Now I should preface by saying that both sensors did far better than I expected them to. A lot of these images don't look very dark, but when I was actually taking them, sometimes I could barely even see what I was taking photo's of, especially the one's of the car exteriors and interiors. Both sensors brighten dark environments up considerably, more so than any other camera phone I've previously used.
Essentially, the truth is there is very little between these two sensors, and both perform very well. Unless you're really pixel peeping, often times it's hard to see differences in either one's favour. They trade blows shot to shot, as you will see from the following examples. In some shots the Britecell does better, in other shots the IMX260. Other times the one that ends up better is more of a case of which part of the photo you're looking at, and therein lies some of the differences that I did notice.
What are the differences? - The shot that is the notably larger file size is usually always the one with more detail.
As stated above, these sensors trade blows, sometimes one performs better, other times the other. I'm not actually sure how much of that is down to the sensor, and how much is down to the software or processing, as one alarming trend I've noticed is that every single shot that I prefer out of the two, is usually always the one with the much larger file size. If one photo of the two is larger in file size by a noteworthy amount, it's almost a foregone conclusion that it will be the more detailed, sharp and/or less noisy than the other.
How about differences beyond those dictated by image file size?
Consistency.
Neither one is consistently the better performer with respect to detail and noise, but I would say the IMX260 is ever so slightly more reliable with these two things. Again, I don't know if that's actually to do with the sensor, or to do with the software.
Focus priorities.
Another difference I've noticed is that background objects, e.g. those further behind your main object of focus, can sometimes be less in focus with the Britecell than they are in the IMX260 shots. It's almost like the Britecell now and again chooses to have a narrower focus range, which in shots looks as if it's using more depth of field or a higher aperture, though a quick look at EXIF data shows it's actually using the same aperture and settings as the IMX260. Conversely, the Britecell also now and again has up close or foreground objects, notably those closest to the camera user, even if they're closer than the thing you're focused on, looking more in focus than they do with the IMX260. This weird difference occurred several times during my comparison, and I thought it odd.
White balance.
Another difference I noticed is that on occasion, in very low light conditions, the Britecell sometimes pushed red in terms of white balance, whilst the IMX260 pushed more on the yellow side. Not really sure which is more accurate, I'd imagine something in-between. But most of the time the two are very similar in overall colour tone and balance.
Focusing speed.
Lastly, in extreme low light conditions, I found the IMX260 focused faster than the Britecell. Where the IMX260 focused reliably and efficiently, the Britecell would seek for just a split second or two before it took the shot. Neither ever actually failed to focus however, it's just that sometimes the Britecell took a little longer. In daylight or ordinary low light conditions, both focus ridiculously fast.
Comparison shots.
Anyway, on to some of the comparison shots. I've posted the shots in full, as well as links to crops of different parts of each shot, so you can get a close up of all aspects of the images, without zooming in yourself. For most shots I have links showing an up close crop of the right side, left side, top and bottom of each image.
Top is Samsung's Britetcell, bottom is the Sony IMX260.
1. Britecell - 3.8mb, IMX260 - 3.7mb.
Winner: Very close, Britecell more detailed in areas, Sony in others.
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Comparison 1 - Focus area
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2. Britecell - 3.2mb, IMX260 - 3.1mb.
Winner: Also very, very close, Britecell a fraction more detailed in areas, Sony in others.
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Comparison 2 - Focus area
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3. Britecell - 3.9mb, IMX260 - 3.6mb.
Winner: Britecell easily takes this one. Just a lot more detail and sharpness overall.
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Comparison 3 - Focus area
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4. Britecell - 4.7mb, IMX260 - 3.5mb.
Winner: Aside from the left gearstick, the Britecell again handily takes this. There's just more overall detail retrieval.
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Comparison 4 - Focus area
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5. Britecell - 6.2mb, IMX260 - 6.1mb.
Winner: Too close to call, though this does show off the added blur with background objects with the Britecell.
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Comparison 5 - Focus area
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6. Britecell - 4.5mb, IMX260 - 4.8mb.
Winner: This one easily goes to the Sony. More detail and less noise.
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Comparison 6 - Focus area
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7. Britecell - 5.2mb, IMX260 - 5.1mb.
Winner: Whilst I feel the colour balance is more true to life with the Sony, the Britecell wins it in being a bit more consistent with detail.
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Comparison 7 - Focus area
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8. Britecell - 4.3mb, IMX260 - 4.0mb.
Winner: This one's very close, but breaking the file size rule, the IMX260 edges it out with less noise and a slight sharpness advantage in areas such as the wheels.
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Comparison 8 - Focus area
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9. Britecell - 3.5mb, IMX260 - 3.5mb.
Winner: Again, perhaps too close to call, though the colour balance is a touch more accurate with the Britecell.
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Comparison 9 - Focus area
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10. Britecell - 3.6mb, IMX260 - 3.4mb.
Winner: The Brightcell takes this with less noise and sharper details.
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Comparison 10 - Focus area
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11. Britecell - 4.9mb, IMX260 - 5.3mb.
Winner: The Brightsell has the sharper foreground (chairs), but the Sony has far more in focus, especially on the left side distant objects. Overall the edge goes to the IMX260.
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Comparison 11 - Focus area
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12. Britecell - 4.9mb, IMX260 - 5.3mb.
Winner: Same situation here with the foreground focus versus the background focus, but overall with slightly more detail retrieval the IMX260 takes it.
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Comparison 12 - Focus area
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great work mate, now lets see if those complaining about not having sony' sensor, reacting to this
Got mine direct from samsung and has their own sensor. Not sure why they make 2 variants. Its stupid
andywright1982 said:
Got mine direct from samsung and has their own sensor. Not sure why they make 2 variants. Its stupid
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i think it's to have anough in production. Yeah it's stupid.
Thank you, it should reassure everyone that they are very close and shouldn't matter whether you have Britecell or IMX.
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i think it's to have anough in production. Yeah it's stupid.
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It's not stupid, it's the standard process in this industry. Apple does the same with their displays and CPUs. Furthermore, the spec is exactly the same for both sensors. I'm assuming (i.e. I have no proof) that Samsung is paying a license fee which allows them to manufacture the Sony designed sensor.
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Thank you, it should reassure everyone that they are very close and shouldn't matter whether you have Britecell or IMX.
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what i see here is better (a bit) results with low light for britecell
Willyman said:
It's not stupid, it's the standard process in this industry. Apple does the same with their displays and CPUs. Furthermore, the spec is exactly the same for both sensors. I'm assuming (i.e. I have no proof) that Samsung is paying a license fee which allows them to manufacture the Sony designed sensor.
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^^^ This +1 It's a reality of the tech industry and has no impact on 99.9999% of all end users. The only truly negative consequence is that it gives trolls an opportunity to troll.
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Thank you, it should reassure everyone that they are very close and shouldn't matter whether you have Britecell or IMX.
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@OP, great job, thanks! Suggestion: Put the pictures in hide tags so the page will load better for people on mobile devices or with slow internet :good:
@NaimC Wonderful job. Both sensors are equally good.
Great post. I think we can safely say it doesn't really matter which sensor you get they are both great.
Thanks for the comparison, really helpful
@NaimC Thanks!
Are you going to do the same comparison in daylight? I'm also interested in macros
Thanks for the very good comparison. I have had 3 different S6E's and the isocell variant produced better photos than the Sony sensors. On the S7, it looks like britecell versus sony is negligible. Good to know.
got the sammy sensor in my exynos s7 edge photos are so amazing i looked for difference in wifes s7 with sony sensor and they have about ~2% difference if that. both are great camera sensors.
I am pretty certain "Sony's" IMX 260 sensor is just a custom order placed by Samsung for the S7 line (according to Samsung's design and spec-sheet), therefore I would actually consider it a Samsung sensor fabricated in Sony's fabs just as Apple's A9 is fabed both in TSMC's and Samsung's fabs. The Samsung S5K2L1 part is just the same sensor fabed in Samsung's own fabs. It's NOT by chance that both sensors are labeled with the same "signature ending" IS->Isocell (SONY_IMX260_FIMC_IS and SLSI_S5K2L1_FIMC_IS). Any (IF any AT ALL) differences that presumably are "observed" are as minute and inconsistent as it would be expected and considered 100% NORMAL even between two same sensors coming off out of the same fab (Sony's or Samsung's).
A possible confirmation of the hypothesis above can/will be made once we see IF "Sony's" IMX 260 sensor pops up inside any other OEM's flagship phone. Since it's such a GOOD sensor it would only make sense for other OEMs to employ it in their products too. If "Sony's" IMX 260 sensor HOWEVER does NOT pop up anywhere else (besides Samsung's products), it basically means it's NOT available to anyone else BESIDES Samsung, therefore it's Samsung's "child".
Besides, I am willing to bet that if someone cared to make an A-B photo test using TWO S7 units BOTH employing the SAME sensor (Sony's or Samsung's), he/she would realize that the "results" wouldn't be "identical" in that case either.
One last thought, Samsung announced two days ago their new S5K2L1 sensor disclosing it's already in mass production, Sony on the other hand never announced an IMX260 sensor and YET it's out there ...
Pay attention to the following extract from ChipWorks:
"...We were expecting to find TSV arrays around the periphery of the active pixel array, corresponding to Sony’s stacked chip (Exmor RS) technology platform. Sony hasn’t publicly announced the IMX260, but based on what we’ve been reading, we assume that is the part number. It’s a bit of a surprise that the IMX260 isn’t an Exmor RS sensor, as we’ve been documenting a lot of Sony design wins based on its 1st and 2nd generation Exmor RS..."
Source: dpreview.com
Article tittle: Samsung Galaxy S7 teardown reveals Sony IMX260 Dual-pixel sensor
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I am pretty certain "Sony's" IMX 260 sensor is just a custom order placed by Samsung for the S7 line (according to Samsung's design and spec-sheet), therefore I would actually consider it a Samsung sensor fabricated in Sony's fabs just as Apple's A9 is fabed both in TSMC's and Samsung's fabs. The Samsung S5K2L1 part is just the same sensor fabed in Samsung's own fabs. It's NOT by chance that both sensors are labeled with the same "signature ending" IS->Isocell (SONY_IMX260_FIMC_IS and SLSI_S5K2L1_FIMC_IS). Any (IF any AT ALL) differences that presumably are "observed" are as minute and inconsistent as it would be expected and considered 100% NORMAL even between two same sensors coming off out of the same fab (Sony's or Samsung's).
A possible confirmation of the hypothesis above can/will be made once we see IF "Sony's" IMX 260 sensor pops up inside any other OEM's flagship phone. Since it's such a GOOD sensor it would only make sense for other OEMs to employ it in their products too. If "Sony's" IMX 260 sensor HOWEVER does NOT pop up anywhere else (besides Samsung's products), it basically means it's NOT available to anyone else BESIDES Samsung, therefore it's Samsung's "child".
Besides, I am willing to bet that if someone cared to make an A-B photo test using TWO S7 units BOTH employing the SAME sensor (Sony's or Samsung's), he/she would realize that the "results" wouldn't be "identical" in that case either.
One last thought, Samsung announced two days ago their new S5K2L1 sensor disclosing it's already in mass production, Sony on the other hand never announced an IMX260 sensor and YET it's out there ...
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Welcome to the forum!
You speak more sense in your 1st post than many people who would have posted 1000 times. Yes, what you say is absolutely correct. Both sensors use ISOCELL technology. Both are are CMOS. ISOCELL is just some additional tech embedded into them, Apple also uses this - deep trench isolation.
ISOCELL is actually the commercial name of what Samsung calls 3D-Backside Illuminated Pixel with Front-Side Deep-Trench Isolation (F-DTI) and Vertical Transfer Gate (VTG).
Both sensors have exact same spec, just manufactured by different vendors - SLSI and Sony. You won't find IMX260 on Sony site, because they can't sell it to other customers like they sell IMX298/IMX377 etc.,
Thank you CLARiiON, I edited my post adding an interesting and revealing extract as proof of my hypothesis from a teardown ChipWorks did on an S7 unit. Unfortunately since I am a new member I can't post the article's link, I would encourage EVERYONE though to search for that article and read it CAREFULLY
Hit the nail on the head dmitrimpe
Thank you for the detailed review.
To be honest, I like the Britecell colors a lot more. Sony has a typical green cast (specific to many of their sensors) that I hate.
Both sensors are very good - I see no reason why anyone would be unhappy with either of these. Let's discuss more about other important issues like batterylife, throttling etc.,
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For sharing: Samsung Galaxy S4 goes head to head with HTC One in camera comparison. Please don't attack me at comment below. Thanks.
For full size and source: http://gsminsider.com/2013/03/15/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-htc-one-camera-quality-comparison/
Post in info thread I told u so in a another thread you made a few minutes ago also at the very least u could have posted in the thread u made a few minutes ago
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191690
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HTC looks sharper.... do you agree?
I'd have to hand it to the HTC One on this one
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The noise reduction on the HTC One is too aggressive. Pretty noticeable in the hair and the ruffles at the bottom of the curtains. I don't have a reference to determine which has better color balance. The HTC One might seem to have sharper text, but the comparison is useless, since this could be down to digital sharpening, stillness of the device when taking the picture, focus, and the difference in viewpoint/zoom. They both blow out highlights, but the lighting over his right shoulder (left side of the pic) is different between the two shots. The One's image doesn't look as smooth as the S4's and seems a bit oversaturated, almost harsh.
HTC looks very good indeed.. if not better.. colors and contrast seems better on the HTC.
Surely they will be able to tweak this in the software but still..
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I'd have to hand it to the HTC One on this one
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It's a bit early to draw any final conclusions. All the SGS4's at the launch event are pre-production and Samsung wouldn't even tell the media whether they were Octa or S-600. The pics from China are all from dual SIM devices destined for China Mobile and who knows what state of development those phones are in. The 4MP camera in the One is going to suffer from lack of detail when content is viewed off the device. It'll do better in low light though. The SGS4's camera will do better in terms of detail and noise suppresion.
Here's what GSMArena said about the One's camera:
"Unlike most of its competitors, the HTC One bets on fewer, but bigger size pixels on its image sensor, rather than many tiny ones. In theory this should allow it to shoot photos that have less digital noise and more dynamic range. But of course, you have got to remember that when you downsize a say, 13MP photo down to 4MP it also visibly decreases the digital noise.
The first shot would be difficult even for a DSLR. In the MWC showroom are full of brightly lit company booths with patches of dim light in-between them. The Optimus G Pro [13MP] photos have a lot more noise in them, while HTC One photos have a slight grain, but not too bad considering how dark the scene was.The One developed the shadows better (look at the ceiling), though the highlights are overexposed. Still, the HTC One has an advantage in dynamic range. Obviously, we need to do more testing back in the office where we have more time and phones on hand to compare the HTC One against.
What we can say right now is that the technology shows a lot of promise - it keeps noise relatively low and the detail per pixel is pretty good. The problem is that there aren't a lot of pixels to go around, which puts a hard physical limit on the smallest detail that the HTC One camera can resolve. As we saw, this could cause problems with things like text. The dynamic range isn't much better than that of traditional cameraphones either, so the large pixels didn't help too much here. At the end of the day, it depends on what you want to do with the photos. Most high-res 27" computer monitors are at under 4MP resolution and HDTVs are at 2MP, so the resolution HTC One photos is okay. But if you want to print out photos or crop into a smaller detail, 4MP may start to feel pretty tight around the neck."
Here's what they said about the Xpreria Z. Samsung most likely will use the same Exmor RS sensor in the SGS4 with Samsung doing better at drivers and s/w than Sony.
"The Sony Xperia Z challenges the best shooters in town and you can head over to our Photo quality comparison tool to see how it did. It did excellently on the first two charts, taking advantage of the superior resolution of its sensor to comfortably beat the 8MP sensor. Once we come to a more real-life scenario (third poster), the noise reduction takes its toll and the Xperia Z loses its advantage."
GSMArena just posted some comparison pics between the XZ and One in better controlled conditions than a trade show floor.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-arrives-at-the-office-we-snap-some-camera-samples/
Were those balanced or all default? The one looks WAY too red. Skin tones are almost correct on the S4 but they look a little washed out.
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Were those balanced or all default? The one looks WAY too red. Skin tones are almost correct on the S4 but they look a little washed out.
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Exactly. People are going to like the punchiness of the One's images, but it's honestly oversaturated and smeared compared to the S4's cleaner and more balanced image. I don't see the One having any real advantage aside from low-light performance, and even there the aggressive noise reduction results in a disappointing image that barely bests an iPhone. When you scale down a 13MP image to 4MP, it almost completely overcomes its noise disadvantage.
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Exactly. People are going to like the punchiness of the One's images, but it's honestly oversaturated and smeared compared to the S4's cleaner and more balanced image. I don't see the One having any real advantage aside from low-light performance, and even there the aggressive noise reduction results in a disappointing image that barely bests an iPhone. When you scale down a 13MP image to 4MP, it almost completely overcomes its noise disadvantage.
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Plus I'm sure as it gets in the hand of millions especially xda devs, the cam software can get an update.
Here are the comparison pics between a One and Xperia Z. The SGS4's most likely using the same Exmor RS sensor as Samsung's used Sony camera sensors previously. Samsung does a better job with s/w and drivers so I'd expect the SGS4 to perform better than the XZ and certainly no worse. The One's are in 16:9 format.
Im all for HTC here. The red is from the room he is in and the type of lighting the HTC just picks it up better.
Wow, the color balance is different. Which one is more accurate? Can they be adjusted?
MohinderJaBardi said:
Im all for HTC here. The red is from the room he is in and the type of lighting the HTC just picks it up better.
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I think most of the One's pics are underexposed and the low light pic (third from the top) is overexposed. GSMArena will do a bunch of standardized tests comparing both phones that'll make it easier to see which performs best (4MP with bigger pixels or 13MP with finer pixels) under different conditions. Software tuning and drivers can make a huge difference so the XZ comparison is really only to demonstrate the Exmor RS sensor.
We will have to wait final versions def before judging.
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A drunk person will have steadier hand.
Why would someone reduce the sizes like that? No originals?
Well every review site saying the HTC one camera is junk, I'm going to believe them, The Verge didn't like it at all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_lr9XGOGc
Though no Xperia z there to compare to.
The One's pictures are so noisy on all sites I see apart from low light shots :\
slannmage said:
Well every review site saying the HTC one camera is junk, I'm going to believe them, The Verge didn't like it at all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_lr9XGOGc
Though no Xperia z there to compare to.
The One's pictures are so noisy on all sites I see apart from low light shots :\
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The Ultrapixel camera just a marketing strategy
BarryH_GEG said:
Here are the comparison pics between a One and Xperia Z. The SGS4's most likely using the same Exmor RS sensor as Samsung's used Sony camera sensors previously. Samsung does a better job with s/w and drivers so I'd expect the SGS4 to perform better than the XZ and certainly no worse. The One's are in 16:9 format.
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I honestly had high hopes for the One's camera after the Optimus G disappointed with its 13MP camera, but I'm just not seeing the results I hoped. There almost seems to be an advantage to the One's pics in dynamic range, but further inspection shows that overexposure and inaccurate color balance are throwing off the comparison. Even with Sony's disappointing image processing, the images are brighter without being as blown out and more detail is apparent. Downsample the image to 4MP and the Sony sensor seems to have less noise than the One's camera in many shots.
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The Ultrapixel camera just a marketing strategy
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Anyone remember "ImageSense" from last year's HTC marketing materials?
Engadget - "We were able to get our own first hand look at the HTC One series at Mobile World Congress and all the coverage is linked to below. HTC was proud to announce that not only are the phones awesome, built extremely well, trimmed down and run fast with HTC Sense, but they’ve also developed a new technology called ImageSense. HTC has actually added a separate processing core for the camera alone. So a dual-core phone will actually have three cores."
I had a Teg3 One X that I was very happy with overall but its camera was, without question, its worst feature. The noise was hard to be believed.
Here's a pic that looks fine when displayed at lower resolution (500x282)
Look at this crop at from the same pic at 3264 x 1840
That's why I want to see the results of Anandtech or GSMArena's standardized tests before getting excited about either HTC or Samsung's new camera tech.
Share your Galaxy S4 photos and videos here - now with PocketNow Camera guide!
This thread is dedicated to user photos, videos and discussion, ImageBam and DropBox is recommended for full-size photo sharing. I also gathered a bunch of samples made by reviewers and divided those into two categories, Exynos 5 Octa (I9500, I9502, SHV-E300S) and Snapdragon 600 (I9505, SPH-L720 etc.) as there are minor differences such as a little more detail and less saturation on the Exnos 5 version.
- use Sport Mode or higher ISO to capture fast motion
- tap on focus and release upon the right moment for fast shutter response
- use Night Mode in dark for brighter results (needs steady hands)
- take multiple images or use burst mode and choose the best result later
- set volume keys for comfortable zooming
- hold the phone with two hands for steady shots, index fingers on top left and right, thumbs on bottom (left on volume keys), middle fingers parallel on the sides (landscape)
- hold the phone steady after shutter sound for a few seconds to make sure there is no shake upon capture
- use voice command function so there is no shake coming from tap
- use rich tone (HDR) mode when there's big brightness difference in the foreground and background or when the sky burns out
- do NOT use HDR when you want to capture high contrast images or when the sky is not burnt out, your result will be washed out
- use flash in daylight when there's strong light behind people
- geotag your photos to save location (drains battery)
- please, for the love of god, don't shoot videos in portrait mode
Samples taken with the Exynos Octa version (includng this post):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39803805&postcount=29 Daylight outside and in hotel
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39809588&postcount=31 Night shots in various ISO modes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39853177&postcount=43 Daylight and some insides
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39879818&postcount=44 Sunset and night
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39915727&postcount=49 Daylight and macro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39988910&postcount=56 Panorama shots (Exynos, Snapdragon)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40001853&postcount=62 Various conditions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40096363&postcount=69 Studio shots
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40140757&postcount=73 Food macros
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40200900&postcount=74 Various shots
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40250108&postcount=80 Photos and videos
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40359369&postcount=93 Thai indoors and low-lights
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40424324&postcount=101 Indoors and outdoors in good conditions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40542257&postcount=113 Bad weather, night
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40701266&postcount=172 Hong Kong at night
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40725770&postcount=175 Panoramas
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40805475&postcount=197 Korean samples
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40956057&postcount=248 HDR, night shots, inside
Samples taken with the Snapdragon 600 version:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39751521&postcount=9 Daylight, sunset and low-light shots
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39887623&postcount=48 HDR vs. normal
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40310570&postcount=89 Drama shot mode
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40336531&postcount=92 Day and night
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40384077&postcount=98 Daytime
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40457560&postcount=103 Daytime, panorama on retail version
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40661953&postcount=152 US version samples, daytime. nighttime, indoors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40688873&postcount=169 US samples, outdoors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40725770&postcount=175 Panoramas
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40765409&postcount=184 More US samples
Nice samples.
S4 photo quality is more than enough for me.
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Pictures look far superior than what the Sony Xperia Z can produce!
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Pictures look far superior than what the Sony Xperia Z can produce!
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Which is very strange as the Oppo Find 5 (also Sony Exmor RS, and like the S4, F2,2) also beats the Xperia Z in details, noise amount, post-processing (or lack of it)... I suspect most troubles are coming from the IP57 certified F2.4 lens, which is different to Sony's original IU135F3-Z (Exmore RS sensor + F2.2 lens).
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Which is very strange as the Oppo Find 5 (also Sony Exmor RS, and like the S4, F2,2) also beats the Xperia Z in details, noise amount, post-processing (or lack of it)... I suspect most troubles are coming from the IP57 certified F2.4 lens, which is different to Sony's original IU135F3-Z (Exmore RS sensor + F2.2 lens).
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Sony applies overcompression algorithms to its camera modules.
As a result the final picture has small size and low details.
Xperia Z is around 3 mb maximum.
very good
they look very good.....:good:
WOW they looks great! Very happy with suit. Can't wait to get my hands on this BIG.little beauty
i know someone already got S4 and send me a recorded video with it
here's the properties of the video if it could help
Snapdragon 600 samples:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-Review_id3280/page/3
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-camera-samples-vs-iPhone-5_id40873#7-Galaxy-S-4
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p8.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-910p6.php
Strong light, medium light, low light, flash, low light face shot, low light late afternoon:
I'll bite if Samsung gives me a Galaxy S4 - Aluminum Edition. Don't care about removable battery or storage. Why can't Samsung give options? The plastic build is probably the biggest complaint people have for all Samsung phones. They do make niche metal phones (e.g. Samsung Wave, Omnia) and plenty in the past, so its not a matter of lack of experience. They are luring me back in with Adobe RGB mode. Now how about a metal version? If its the problem of yields, you can make it a slight premium and sell it online only. Everyone else who doesn't care about the plastic build can be happy with their GS4, while those of us who want a premium metal phone can eat our cake too!
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The reason for the lack of aluminum build is simple and Samsung has explained this is in the past. The HTC One takes 200 minutes to machine the aluminum for one device, now think about the amount of devices Samsung Ships, requiring 200 minutes for a device is simply not a viable option for Samsung. If they did produce an aluminum body device, expect there to be plenty of shortages.
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Camera is one the biggest improvements for me to move from note 2 to s4.
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Those photos look really good. My s3 had a horrible camera. noise Noise everywhere. The s4 seems to have gotten rid of that "feature"!
Very good photo's
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I'll bite if Samsung gives me a Galaxy S4 - Aluminum Edition. Don't care about removable battery or storage. Why can't Samsung give options? The plastic build is probably the biggest complaint people have for all Samsung phones. They do make niche metal phones (e.g. Samsung Wave, Omnia) and plenty in the past, so its not a matter of lack of experience. They are luring me back in with Adobe RGB mode. Now how about a metal version? If its the problem of yields, you can make it a slight premium and sell it online only. Everyone else who doesn't care about the plastic build can be happy with their GS4, while those of us who want a premium metal phone can eat our cake too!
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The "premium metal build" of the HTC One failed the AndroidAuthority drop test losing the top front part on the smallest drop which cannot be clicked just glued back, and was heavily dented with a broken screen on the highest drop. It also got the worst repairability score of all times by ifixit cause the glued body is impossible to open without effectively destroying the back panel, so if the smallest issue appears or your battery dies, it's weeks in repair and easily a $100 once warranty's over.
In comparison the latest Samsung flagship AA tested passed all 3 drops with small scratches and no broken parts, and the battery which sooner or later loses half the power or dies, is 5 seconds to replace. Mind too that the polycarbonate Lumia 920 is the toughest flagship out there, so while aluminum looks nice, it is ABSOLUTELY NOT an advantage in terms of build and far less practical cause you give things up you'll miss when trouble kicks in. Plus you'll put the metal beauty in an ugly case on day one. Slip metal body doesn't make premium requirements.
katamari201 said:
I'll bite if Samsung gives me a Galaxy S4 - Aluminum Edition. Don't care about removable battery or storage. Why can't Samsung give options? The plastic build is probably the biggest complaint people have for all Samsung phones. They do make niche metal phones (e.g. Samsung Wave, Omnia) and plenty in the past, so its not a matter of lack of experience. They are luring me back in with Adobe RGB mode. Now how about a metal version? If its the problem of yields, you can make it a slight premium and sell it online only. Everyone else who doesn't care about the plastic build can be happy with their GS4, while those of us who want a premium metal phone can eat our cake too!
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Why ranting all over the place, your post is way out of topic and just inappropriate for this thread. There are in fact other threads for such complaints. This is Android world of options bro, if Samsung device doesn't meet your needs, I think you will be better with other competing devices.
Thanks.
@OP, sorry for the off topic.
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Could someone here advise re camera please.
I originally had a 3gs and now had a GS2 since release and prefer android but I have missed some things from apple.
1. When I make a video from video camera for what ever length and I want to email or mms it it would say video too long and then let you trim it to an acceptable size file to send. So far I cannot see any android phone that does this including SGS4 ? The htc one does have a clever trim option and was wondering what gs4 has as still on the fence
Forgot the other thing ?
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Re: [PHOTOS] The Galaxy S4 user photos and camera discussion thread
I found it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23nQyOpixiU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
but am hoping samsung can do this too ? Anyone know as my wife has s3 I have s2 and they don't have this feature
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the Vid rec On GS4 seems suck
lets hope the final version will be better
http://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5125&idPhone2=3621&idPhone3=4238
http://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5125&idPhone2=5204&idPhone3=4238
nice !!
I would like to make clear that the One seems fine when viewing the photos normally on your phone or on Facebook. However where it fails badly is when you want to crop or view 100%, they're just shockingly bad
(btw all crops done from original file and not the uploaded file as uploads reduce image resolution)
I've had all three, just sent the One back cause I didn't like it so I cannot take any more pictures than I have with it.
These are 100% crops so obviously stuff will be bigger and smaller depending on the native image size. They're all taken from the same distance...
808: http://s23.postimg.org/5iowazs3e/image.jpg
GS4: http://s23.postimg.org/gh05t6gor/image.jpg
One: http://s23.postimg.org/65nt0iozf/image.jpg
Now obviously the One is too small so I try to zoom in bring it to the same size and.. http://s21.postimg.org/kd8wbfc9z/Untitled.jpg
Then I have the GS4 vs the 808 only...
Both zoomed in to the same and cropped..
808: http://s24.postimg.org/6t54wjrwl/image.jpg
GS4: http://s24.postimg.org/okgrb07b9/image.jpg
Native 100% cropped:
808: http://s18.postimg.org/x2qkzh98p/Untitled2.jpg
GS4: http://s18.postimg.org/wop8zvp55/Untitled.jpg
Landscape shots:
Slightly different times of day but the same amount of sun, I had to reduce the 808 file size because it couldn't be uploaded as the image was over 20mb.
808: http://s21.postimg.org/pgnax5h47/2013_05_02_0385.jpg
GS4: http://s10.postimg.org/dz3eyyhtk/20130502_121344.jpg
One: http://s10.postimg.org/pmxgti6yg/IMAG0002.jpg
100% crop...
808: http://s9.postimg.org/rv1eo31qn/image.jpg
GS4: http://s9.postimg.org/x906vmrgu/image.jpg
One: http://s9.postimg.org/naf895i1b/image.jpg
Trying to bring the Ones image size to the others because the low MP count makes small images.. http://s9.postimg.org/q7299fnv3/image.jpg
Now these ones were all done on different days so they're not direct but really more about the detail. The 808 had quite a bit of direct sunlight ruining the image and as every it's reduced in size so I can upload. I haven't been up the fields yet with the GS4 so I will post one later...
808: http://s22.postimg.org/lnkyf2r5c/2013_04_21_0221.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/eln0svnjk/IMAG0010.jpg
100% crops
808: http://s18.postimg.org/8wbstzeo9/image.jpg
One: http://s23.postimg.org/kg0l3mfwb/image.jpg
Low Light:
Now I've looked at the HTC One and how it handles low light and really all I can work out is it uses OIS to increase the ISO without getting blur. When I lock the ISO instead of putting it on auto I get these results...
ISO 200:
GS4: http://s22.postimg.org/iwkiqt33k/20130502_121723.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/73mpml6nk/IMAG0012.jpg
808: http://s14.postimg.org/65j9m8fk1/2013_05_02_0391.jpg
ISO 400:
GS4:http://s11.postimg.org/zcww14o7m/20130502_121732.jpg
One: http://s11.postimg.org/ib41z19ci/IMAG0013.jpg
Auto ISO:
GS4: http://s9.postimg.org/5jzriw0b2/20130502_121511.jpg
One: http://s9.postimg.org/fss8opocu/IMAG0019.jpg
My One has a pink spot in the middle, the GS4 can get even brighter with night mode on which Im guess allows the ISO to go above 800 because this is what I get with Night mode on the GS4 and ISO set to 1600 on the HTC One.
GS4: http://s22.postimg.org/ma6jir0ts/20130502_121604.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/u475458mo/IMAG0015.jpg
Both of them with ISO set to their lowest:
GS4: http://s24.postimg.org/so4v10wzo/20130502_121530.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/4hpkom8z5/IMAG0010.jpg
Interestingly enough the 808 thrashed both of them, though they all struggle to find a focus when taking a pic from the dark, which the 808 couldn't as I have focus lamp assist off on the 808 which it really needs.
Now this comparison isn't perfect but from my use of all three phones it obviously goes...
1. 808
2. GS4
Way wayyyyyyy behind
3. HTC One.
I want to add, the room is not that dark, it's daylight but that is the only place I can find it to where it's dusk like conditions. I don't understand why the GS4 and HTC One struggle so much without turning ISO to max, my guess is sensor size is way more important than pixel size, I dunno. The HTC One just seems to rely on OIS and ISO really, I see no proof of this ultra pixel thing, the 808 thrashes them both though. I don't understand what other reviews are doing, I'm guessing they're leaving ISO set automatic and not playing with the options? Either way the HTC One takes such poor shots that you don't want to use any of them, they look fine in normal size, however as soon as you 100% them on your desktop monitor, they're poor!
The biggest downfall though of the 808 is you cannot upload the images anywhere, you can see in the crops how big the original image must be. I'm doing this on a 1080p monitor and the 808s crops take up the whole screen and I often cannot crop the whole thing I want to when it's 100% lol.
According to your sample pics...only 808 has real color and detailed pic....even s4's pics seem very yellowish....
One also has god color but not properly focused
Frankly speaking only winner is Nokia 808
Both s4 and one are losers here
Unfortunately; i didnt expect this from s4
They're all good cameras when you view them like this, however when you want to view them in their 100% form, the 808 wins by miles and the HTC One should never have bothered to enter the race.
ipsuvedi said:
According to your sample pics...only 808 has real color and detailed pic....even s4's pics seem very yellowish....
One also has god color but not properly focused
Frankly speaking only winner is Nokia 808
Both s4 and one are losers here
Unfortunately; i didnt expect this from s4
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The GS4 FoV is too narrow and it's too oversaturated, which may be a firmware thing. See shots taken with the GS4:
http://s21.postimg.org/vegwixasn/20130502_121358.jpg
http://s17.postimg.org/97h9j8hv3/20130502_153230.jpg
However the FoV is so narrow compared to the others. With the same shot at the same distance I can get this on the 808, you may think the GS4 has more detail for the same distance, however if I zoomed in on a shot with the 808 I'd keep so much more detail that it doesn't matter. So really if I want to have an image be closer, I can zoom in on a shot taken further away or I can go close before I take the shot. With the GS4 you only get one option, keep backing away because the FoV always makes you look closer than you really are.
http://s14.postimg.org/wtaq1qrwh/2013_03_19_0012.jpg
Now the One has a much wider lens than the GS4, however as soon as you zoom in to get a view in the detail, you just see pixels everywhere, so you have to get so much closer with the one to get detail out of things...
http://s7.postimg.org/rcn59193v/IMAG0010.jpg
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Thx. The 808 is still the king, but the GS4 comes quite close during the daylight. Are you using the SnapDragon version of the GS4 BTW? It is worth checking Mobiele-Review's big showdown with the Exynos 5 variant, which I suspect to have a different sensor to the Snapdragon half-brother.
http://translate.google.com/transla.../mobile-review.com/review/phototest2013.shtml
The one´s camera is 4MP. Landscape photos arent the strength of the camera (but also not a real weakness if you dont zoom). It has other advantages:
-OIS
-extremly fast shutter speed, so you can take pictures of moving persons/animals/cars without blur
-very good low light capabilities (and no, the hdr night mode of the s4 is not comparable, its just good for stills)
-Wide FOV
-very good macro pictures
-very good hdr pictures
It is pretty obvious and well known that if you want to crop/zoom in on photos, then the one is not the camera phone for you, it simply doesn't have enough megapixels.
Viewing the one photos on my calibrated dell U2331H monitor look very good (when not zooming in), especially macro shots (macro shots look better than what my one S produces and it is has a superb camera), now if I had a very high res. panel then my opinion would be different.
Getting tired of people saying this xxxxx phone is better than this xxxx phone, this xxxx phone sucks zOMG!!! As if to say that only one-two area matters, there is more to a camera/photo quality than just the ability to zoom and good or/and low light conditions....
This is how I look at it:
Main advantages of the GS 4 camera over the one are;
- if you crop/zoom in on images, have a very high res. display and/or print photos on large paper, this is where more MP really shines!
- Bright landscape conditions
- panorama shots
- features/options overall
Main advantages of the one camera over the GS 4 are:
- very fast shutter and combined with OIS, you get more consistent/usable photos, more so in lower light conditions and/or with movement shots
- indoor conditions, low light/dark conditions
- much larger FOV
- audio recording (really amazing in loud environments) and video recording overall (GS 4 looks excellent for 1080P recording but the OIS, FOV [which is further reduced on the GS 4 when you enable image stabilisation] etc. give the one the edge by quite a bit imo)
The GS 4 can perform superbly in low light/night conditions with "night" mode but it comes at a cost, slower shutter thus only useful with non moving objects and you need to have a steady hand.
Regarding the features/options, both seem to be more or less the same, GS 4 has the edge with a few more things to choose from. Most of the one's features are tied to the zoe feature and gallery i.e. sequence/drama shot, always smiling, eraser/removing objects etc. where as the features on the GS 4 are selectable through the camera app.
Macro shots look superb on both, need to see more from the GS 4 end users, but so far I think the one is better in this area, the photos are just very detailed and have a "natural" look to them.
Up to the end user this part, but photo size is quite different due to the difference in MP, talking about 1.5MP on average for the one VS 6.5MB for a photo from the GS 4, personally for me, smaller photo size is a nice wee bonus.
Haven't seen many HDR shots from either phone except for some of the review sites, but both look very good in their own ways.
And I haven't even covered the actual "quality" of the image i.e. in terms of colours etc. From what we have seen so far, I would have to say that the one looks more natural and the GS 4 saturates the photos a wee bit [which I quite like depending on the scenario] (saying that, this is easily solved by adjusting the contrast or saturation in the one camera app, can't remember if you can do this with the GS 4 camera app???), however, in some shots i.e. white/grey buildings, the one looks too yellow, the one had a problem with exposure i.e. white clouds, very bright conditions etc. but this has been fixed/improved with 1.29.
Both phones will improve with updates, especially the HTC one since the camera tec. is fairly new for a phone camera especially to HTC (only two phones have OIS, the other one being the lumia 920)
Comes down to what the end user wants.
I don't know but smth seems wrong with your gs4. It's too yellow ish.
Always interested to see people consistently list wider FOV in the One as an advantage. Really its just different, whether an advantage or not depends on the types of subjects and scenes you typically find yourself snapping. For many people a more narrow FOV would actually be an asset, tending to be better for close in stuff and portraiture type stuff (if there was enough detail to allow cropping down to a more narrow FOV after the fact then I do think the wide FOV would be a straight-up advantage, but there isn't and it isn't). If any thing I think the wide FOV in the One is relatively mismatched to its strengths.
True, it does come down to what type of scenario you are shooting, the way I personally look at it, is that its better to have it than not to, there are quite a few shots that I wouldn't have got as well with the FOV of the GS 4 i.e. when in Rome last year, I wouldn't have been able to fit any where as much of the ruins and other landmarks in with the GS 4 camera (was on a bus tour so couldn't "step back") likewise with group shots and certain other scenarios.
You can always crop the image too but of course as you touched upon there, with the low MP count on the one, it isn't best advised. Personally I don't think I have ever cropped any of my photos.
The main area where a large FOV really shines imo, is video recording, especially since the GS 4 FOV is further reduced when you turn image stabilisation on.
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True, it does come down to what type of scenario you are shooting, the way I personally look at it, is that its better to have it than not to, there are quite a few shots that I wouldn't have got as well with the FOV of the GS 4 i.e. when in Rome last year, I wouldn't have been able to fit any where as much of the ruins and other landmarks in with the GS 4 camera (was on a bus tour so couldn't "step back") likewise with group shots and other scenarios.
You can always crop the image too but of course as you touched upon there, with the low MP count on the one, it isn't best advised. Personally I don't think I have cropped any of my photos.
The main area where a large FOV really shines is video recording though, especially since the GS 4 FOV is further reduced when you turn image stabilisation on.
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Yeah, I was only really referring to the stills camera.
In the scenarios you mention like sightseeing type scenarios I would probably happily take the improved detail in the S4 over the wider FOV of the One, there is an element of personal preference there of course.
S4 video recording stabilization
Galaxy S4 video recording stabilization gets tested in offroad conditions
http://www.itcnews24.com/galaxy-s4-video-recording-stabilization-gets-tested-in-offroad-conditions-itcnews24-11516.html
http://blog.gsmarena.com/video-stab...galaxy-s4-improves-over-s-iii-but-not-enough/
I have booth S4 and a One. I tend to use the one because I have kids, kids move around , waves arms and just can't stand still. I still haven't shoot one single shoot with the S4 with the kids unblurred.
The S4 waits for AOSP/CM (can't stand TW) connected to the tv set and the One is in my pocket . Both are great phones but the one do what I need to do best, listening to music and snapping pics of my kids. And yes, 4 mp is little to small, if I could carry both it had been perfect
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Here is a little help, if you can't decide whether to take the one or s4. At the end of the video there is also a comparison of the both cameras :
I have the one and s4 snapdragon version. The galaxy 4 is much better
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Partly cloudy, outdoor under a sun shelter
S4 is notably sharper and brighter. I pressed to focus on the middle sand for each phone.
S4
HTC One
Indoors with low-average light.
S4 is sharper but took longer with the shutter. But the clicks after were quick.
S4
HTC One
Indoors with a window closeby.
S4 is sharper but shutter was about 25% slower to 'click'
S4
HTC One
Indoors with the previous photo window farther away.
Light is average.
S4 is sharper but shutter 25% slower to 'click' S4 colour is more accurate.
S4
HTC One
Basement with low light
Again S4 shutter slower but sharper photo.
S4
HTC One
Here are some crappy moving shot tests... lol.
I kicked a ball and took a pic.
S4
HTC One
This one shows the HTC One being slow to focus and take the shot.
I pressed the shutter button at the same time but the htc one had trouble taking the shot.
S4
HTC one
Outdoor moving shot. Kicked a ball, took a pic.
Here the HTC one was faster with the shutter. I actually took two while the S4 only got 1 off.
S4
HTC One
We can not speak about Nokia 808 vs S4.....
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Thx. The 808 is still the king, but the GS4 comes quite close during the daylight. Are you using the SnapDragon version of the GS4 BTW? It is worth checking Mobiele-Review's big showdown with the Exynos 5 variant, which I suspect to have a different sensor to the Snapdragon half-brother.
http://translate.google.com/transla.../mobile-review.com/review/phototest2013.shtml
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Thanks giving me back to this link, it is interesting because it is one of the best comparison done already (dpreview did also a good one)
Just a point to clarify, this review is done with I9500 not I 9505, that give much better camera results as they are different hardware.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2327355
Photo quality comparision by GSMArena:
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HTC One is a loser in Camera.
Secondly, Someone will always go for a DSLR if he/she just wants a camera. Buying 808 for camera is like hiring Sunny Leone for just her Acting skills.
I am willing to donate 100USD and crowdfund another 900USD (I'm willing to inject another 400USD to help the crowdfund hit it's target) for any dev that can make a fully functional port of the gcam (with nightsight, portrait mode and a fully functional selfiecam) for the exynos version of the S10+. Spread the word, this is legit
F it man, I'm in, can't do much but will donate 10 to the crowdfund. GCAM with the proper Night Sight on this sensor would be incredible.
pepeuzika said:
I am willing to donate 100USD and crowdfund another 900USD (I'm willing to inject another 400USD to help the crowdfund hit it's target) for any dev that can make a fully functional port of the gcam (with nightsight, portrait mode and a fully functional selfiecam) for the exynos version of the S10+. Spread the word, this is legit
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Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
Misterxtc said:
Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
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I hate samsung's agressive post processing (specially in selfies that looks like **** in the dark). Besides, money is not an issue
Misterxtc said:
Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
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Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
Corv0 said:
Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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Same thoughts here.
Corv0 said:
Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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Have a look at the Anandtech article that came out yesterday, the exynos and snapdragon variants are vastly different even though they're supposed to be the same S10, the software love was only given to the 855 model, and lazily ported over to the exynos variant. This is kinda why we need a better image processing solution from the community, because Samsung cba about it... Quote from the article below;
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14
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Corv0 said:
Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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You're totally right, the camera , or the hardware are way better on the s10 , but it's not only about the hardware, image processing is important too, and ssdly the imagie processing which is the software on the samsung is not that good, and the gcam is way way better , so with the samsung hardware and the pixel software (gcam) u can have the best picture on the market.
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Have a look at the Anandtech article that came out yesterday, the exynos and snapdragon variants are vastly different even though they're supposed to be the same S10, the software love was only given to the 855 model, and lazily ported over to the exynos variant. This is kinda why we need a better image processing solution from the community, because Samsung cba about it... Quote from the article below;
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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Haha I love this theory. So you're claiming they're biased towards qualcomm even though they definitely praise a lot of the other aspects of the Exynos in the review, how it has a solidly better battery life when compared to 855, and how the A55 cores on the Exynos are way better. Where do you get the "disabled HDR" idea, they put both on Auto and took the photos, they even discuss the actual HDR processing.
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
The Mate 20 Pro is a contender for detail in this shot, but loses out in colours and dynamic range to the S10.
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Hmmm based on that last sentence now you'll claim they're Huawei Kirin shills. Lol way to "keep it classy" with your conspiracy theories mate.
The fact is 99% of the reviews do not mention the fact that the Exynos camera app doesn't take full advantage of the processing like the Qualcomm model, and there is a clear difference that must be addressed by Samsung. It's a damn shame because the 9820 is a really capable beast and deserves the same amount of finesse and perfection that is present in the 855 software.
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Haha I love this theory. So you're claiming they're biased towards qualcomm even though they definitely praise a lot of the other aspects of the Exynos in the review, how it has a solidly better battery life when compared to 855, and how the A55 cores on the Exynos are way better. Where do you get the "disabled HDR" idea, they put both on Auto and took the photos, they even discuss the actual HDR processing.
Hmmm based on that last sentence now you'll claim they're Huawei Kirin shills. Lol way to "keep it classy" with your conspiracy theories mate.
The fact is 99% of the reviews do not mention the fact that the Exynos camera app doesn't take full advantage of the processing like the Qualcomm model, and there is a clear difference that must be addressed by Samsung. It's a damn shame because the 9820 is a really capable beast and deserves the same amount of finesse and perfection that is present in the 855 software.
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Praising?
How's "Although battery life and performance this year aren’t an issue for the Exynos variant" praising it?
Another point, the end of their battery page states
"One issue I can confirm with the Exynos unit is that after a voice call in any app, the phone isn’t correctly entering its lower power state, and will suffer from increased idle battery drain until a reboot. This is something that hopefully Samsung addresses in a firmware update as it doesn’t look to be a hardware related issue. When not affected by this bug, both phones idle very similar to each other and slightly better than the S9+ I use as my daily device."
Seriously? This guide is a day old and they even bothered to include a bug that has been fixed in ASBA, TWO firmwares ago, even with half the comments mentioning it has been fixed and it doesn't belong in their review, it's still there.
This trashy excuse of a tech blog belongs in my fakenews domain blocking host, just so I stop seeing their poorly made articles whenever Google decides to shove them in my face.
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Praising?
How's "Although battery life and performance this year aren’t an issue for the Exynos variant" praising it?
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Because 9810 was riddled with very bad battery performance, this year it is a lot better. He's talking about it comparing to the last iteration, it is surprising that the Exynos went from underperforming last year, to beating snapdragon this year;
In our web browsing test, both Galaxy S10+s are showcasing outstanding longevity at 13.08h for the Exynos and 12.75h for the Snapdragon variant. Least to say, I was extremely surprised to see this result even though we measured the Exynos 9820 CPU to be quite less efficient than the Snapdragon 855 in peak performance efficiency. I would have not expected the Exynos to match the Snapdragon, much less slightly beat it.
Another point, the end of their battery page states
"One issue I can confirm with the Exynos unit is that after a voice call in any app, the phone isn’t correctly entering its lower power state, and will suffer from increased idle battery drain until a reboot. This is something that hopefully Samsung addresses in a firmware update as it doesn’t look to be a hardware related issue. When not affected by this bug, both phones idle very similar to each other and slightly better than the S9+ I use as my daily device."
Seriously? This guide is a day old and they even bothered to include a bug that has been fixed in ASBA, TWO firmwares ago, even with half the comments mentioning it has been fixed and it doesn't belong in their review, it's still there.
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The bug was not fixed two firmwares ago, I've no idea what you're talking about. I had it until yesterday when the new s10e patch fixed it, every time I had a teams or whatsapp call the deepsleep broke and I had to reboot the device.
This trashy excuse of a tech blog belongs in my fakenews domain blocking host, just so I stop seeing their poorly made articles whenever Google decides to shove them in my face.
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What other genuine review articles have you read that go as in depth as anandtech and talk about the scheduler, voltage and efficiency curves, the A75 A55 and Mongoose triple chip design, die shot with detailed cache information, testing and EVEN comparing it to a desktop 9900k, I would love to see your "non fakenews" blogs that go as in depth. Seems like you're sour about them being critical of something in an objective, factual way.
Don't get me wrong I love my Exynos S10e, the screen is gorgeous, I regularly get 7+ hours SOT, but there's still room for improvement in the thermals, it can do with a lot more tweaking. My hope is that by the time Note 10 comes out, they'll have worked out a lot of the software issues and also done a better Bright Night implementation, making this phone as good as it can be.
Let's stay on track here, everyone. No flaming will be permitted. Offending posts will be deleted.
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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suspected this.
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Joseph Gomes said:
It just means you don't know how to use Gcam. All those problems can be solved by changing the lib. If you can't change minor settings on android, you should stick to iphones.
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That kind of goes beyond "minor settings on Android", nobody guarantees that Gcam will always be better or even work, I checked some Gcam vs Stock samples and I wasn't impressed, low light was a bit better but everything else was worse and I think they went for the best lib options otherwise it would look even worse.
Samsung got struck for assuming everyone would be fine with AI deciding when to enable the night camera and they confirmed working on changing that, once that is changed(if implemented well) I'm confident that Gcam will have no benefit to bring on the table.
You were already warned by a mod previously to keep it civil, and it just went downhill from there.
I suggest all of you take a deep breath and realize this looks like a group of 12 year olds fighting about who's smarter.
Some of the past few posts had nothing to do with Gcam and more to do with belittling each other. If you want to have an argument about stock vs Gcam, that's perfectly acceptable, as long as it's calm. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there's no reason for name calling just because of someone's personal preference being different than yours.
Thread has been cleaned, let's keep it that way.
I have snapdragon and used gcam, I've since deleted it because the Samsung camera pictures simply look better, even low light. Just imho
Are you kidding to make a bounty for an app for a crap smartphone sensor? (All smartphone's camera sensors are crap)... for my curiosity, I measured myself the dynamic range of my S10+ Exynos with a calibrated grey card and I found is near 7 1/2 stops @ISO 50 taking in consideration the brightness only (the color DR is much worse), and my Canon M50 has double of that dynamic range and you can find it on Amazon for less than US$700. Who can even imagine to put money in a bounty for this?
I can't understand why people are discussing if the Samsung sensor that comes with the Exynos is better than the Sony that comes with the Snapdragon... both are crap, looking the people that are testing smartphone cameras I see none of them that are able to take a descent shot, why they don't start first to learn how to shot a good picture?
Do you think that I cared about if the sensor was good or not when I shot this pictures with my S7 some years ago, at that time I was worried about how much lost of quality I will get shooting behind a window instead of thinking about the sensor...
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Why don't you donate that US$100 to an NGO that will use that money in a useful way instead of wasting your money?
Lots of words and blah blah in this thread, but I've got images to prove that the Samsung Bright Night in its current form sucks, and either Samsung needs to step it up, or we need to move ahead with the bounty. Found this on the snapdragon gcam thread https://m.imgur.com/gallery/7VsVaTO
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The night mode on Exynos sucks, but overall sharpness is pretty bad for regular indoor pics. And the colors are washed out as compared to Snapdragon version. Samsung needs to fix all of these issues on Exynos.
So I got my S22 ultra yesterday and overall I am very satisfied with it except the sharpness of the corners from the main camera, my old oneplus 8 pro is so much better at that.
It is very noticeable when shooting RAW photos or 108mp.
Is there anyone else with this kind of issue or maybe I got a defective unit?
Left is oneplus right is the s22.
It's the lense. If more than other copies, it's a bad copy. This happens.
Some corner blurring is typical and acceptable. Blurring near the center especially and as it you go outward are far less acceptable.
Every lense has a blur chart that varies by degrees throughout it's image. Even the best primes have blur; this is an exception lense that goes for over $5G! It's blur chart is near perfect.
blackhawk said:
It's the lense. If more than other copies, it's a bad copy. This happens.
Some corner blurring is typical and acceptable. Blurring near the center especially and as it you go outward are far less acceptable.
Every lense has a blur chart that varies by degrees throughout it's image. Even the best primes have blur; this is an exception lense that goes for over $5G! It's blur chart is near perfect.
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I know its the lens, I want to know if everyone has it to this level or maybe its just my phone.
Look at the difference with the oneplus, I don't think its acceptable.
TheNewLegend said:
I know its the lens, I want to know if everyone has it to this level or maybe its just my phone.
Look at the difference with the oneplus, I don't think its acceptable.
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You need to compare the same lense/cam model. Go to a store and try a demo or two.
Return it if not satisfied.
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You need to compare the same lense/cam model. Go to a store and try a demo or two.
Return it if not satisfied.
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Okay maybe I'll try that. A friend of mine has a s21 ultra, they share the same sensor, maybe I should compare with his phone?
BTW is that the quote of Joey from friends ?
TheNewLegend said:
Okay maybe I'll try that. A friend of mine has a s21 ultra, they share the same sensor, maybe I should compare with his phone?
BTW is that the quote of Joey from friends ?
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Remember there's more than one cam... Friends? Never watched it.
TheNewLegend said:
Okay maybe I'll try that. A friend of mine has a s21 ultra, they share the same sensor, maybe I should compare with his phone?
BTW is that the quote of Joey from friends ?
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They might be the same sensor but the S22U has a wider main lens than the S21U. Wide lenses are much more prone to distortion and softer corners. Definitely hoping future models go back to being less wide.
beserker15 said:
They might be the same sensor but the S22U has a wider main lens than the S21U. Wide lenses are much more prone to distortion and softer corners. Definitely hoping future models go back to being less wide.
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For wide angle use the save option to automatically apply correction. This is for primarily image distortion though.
Interesting. My camera app does not have the ultra wide correction option. The other two options are under "picture format". My old Note 20 did have that option.
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Interesting. My camera app does not have the ultra wide correction option. The other two options are under "picture format". My old Note 20 did have that option.
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Wonder if it just automatically does it now?
That screenshot is from my N10+ running on Pie... meh, I don't like rude surprises
Both photos (on the link on the end) are in 108 mode, 2nd taken seconds after the first, so conditions are the same.
On the 1st photo I have just pressed shutter button and that's it.
On the 2nd button I have taped with finger onto the TV tower on the right to lock focus/exposure and then pressed shutter button.
Results are interesting. As you can see on the 1st photo, trees are detailed and sharp, in focus, while the TV tower is blurry, without details.
But on the 2nd picture, you can see the TV tower (or windows on the buildings) has details, even it is in the corner where sharpness is lower then in the center.
I don't understand this behavior, since there shouldn't be any difference in focus because of the distance from the subjects. In normal 12Mp mode everything is sharp and in focus across the image.
I don't have explanation for this behavior, since the size of the sensor, focal length and distance from the subject shouldn't have any impact on that. It looks something is broken in the image processing pipeline.
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Both photos (on the link on the end) are in 108 mode, 2nd taken seconds after the first, so conditions are the same.
On the 1st photo I have just pressed shutter button and that's it.
On the 2nd button I have taped with finger onto the TV tower on the right to lock focus/exposure and then pressed shutter button.
Results are interesting. As you can see on the 1st photo, trees are detailed and sharp, in focus, while the TV tower is blurry, without details.
But on the 2nd picture, you can see the TV tower (or windows on the buildings) has details, even it is in the corner where sharpness is lower then in the center.
I don't understand this behavior, since there shouldn't be any difference in focus because of the distance from the subjects. In normal 12Mp mode everything is sharp and in focus across the image.
I don't have explanation for this behavior, since the size of the sensor, focal length and distance from the subject shouldn't have any impact on that. It looks something is broken in the image processing pipeline.
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Thanks for the samples, I tried to focus on the corners too and some how it got sharper however the center of the image got worse even though everything should be in focus.
In 12mp mode it just boost the sharpness with processing. that's why everything is sharp.
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Thanks for the samples, I tried to focus on the corners too and some how it got sharper however the center of the image got worse even though everything should be in focus.
In 12mp mode it just boost the sharpness with processing. that's why everything is sharp.
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Yes, you can have sharp center or the corners, but not both. But why?
I don't think in 12mp mode it is just boosting the sharpness, if it is out of focus, it can't be fixed by sharpening.
It may help if you submit a bug report directly from the phone via the member app as I did (still waiting for reply from Samsung) - more reports, more attention.
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Yes, you can have sharp center or the corners, but not both. But why?
I don't think in 12mp mode it is just boosting the sharpness, if it is out of focus, it can't be fixed by sharpening.
It may help if you submit a bug report directly from the phone via the member app as I did (still waiting for reply from Samsung) - more reports, more attention.
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I already did that too
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I already did that too
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I have the Exynos version, wondering if it is also affecting SD...
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I have the Exynos version, wondering if it is also affecting SD...
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Mine is sd so it is..
ssglackey said:
Yes, you can have sharp center or the corners, but not both. But why?
I don't think in 12mp mode it is just boosting the sharpness, if it is out of focus, it can't be fixed by sharpening.
It may help if you submit a bug report directly from the phone via the member app as I did (still waiting for reply from Samsung) - more reports, more attention.
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Because of the blur pattern and dof.
All lens have it and you can't have all points in focus at once especially with a fast lense. They always have a shallow depth of field. Even stopped down only objects at the same distance can be perfectly focus and there's always some blur even than.
You can't stop down these smartphone cams, one of their limitations; you're stuck with a wide open lense.
Multi element (typically 7 elements or greater) lens can correct for it to a greater extent but you see the blur chart example I posted. That's one of the best primes available, all $6G's of that beast.
It's not just the blur pattern that the optic engineers need to address. Different colors have different wavelengths so they want to focus at different lengths. There are many tradeoffs. With only a small number of elements in a very small space the options are limited. Price is another consideration.
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Because of the blur pattern and dof.
All lens have it and you can't have all points in focus at once especially with a fast lense. They always have a shallow depth of field. Even stopped down only objects at the same distance can be perfectly focus and there's always some blur even than.
You can't stop down these smartphone cams, one of their limitations; you're stuck with a wide open lense.
Multi element (typically 7 elements or greater) lens can correct for it to a greater extent but you see the blur chart example I posted. That's one of the best primes available, all $6G's of that beast.
It's not just the blur pattern that the optic engineers need to address. Different colors have different wavelengths so they want to focus at different lengths. There are many tradeoffs. With only a small number of elements in a very small space the options are limited. Price is another consideration.
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But in the standard 12Mpix mode everything far enough is sharp and in focus, using the same lens, only in 108Mpix mode you see this issue. Your statement is valid, but with tiny sensors in smartphones all distant object must be equally in focus. I can't achieve such blur for distant object with Full frame mirrorless (35mm f1.8) and that is another league.
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So I got my S22 ultra yesterday and overall I am very satisfied with it except the sharpness of the corners from the main camera, my old oneplus 8 pro is so much better at that.
It is very noticeable when shooting RAW photos or 108mp.
Is there anyone else with this kind of issue or maybe I got a defective unit?
Left is oneplus right is the s22.
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The shaky shot in S22 and steady shot in Oneplus, clean the lens and try without shaking the device, or maybe as you said it could be a defective phone!
After a comparison with s21 ultra there was a slight difference in sharpness, however I don't know why but the colors were much better with the s21.
I'll compare them again later.
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Because of the blur pattern and dof.
All lens have it and you can't have all points in focus at once especially with a fast lense. They always have a shallow depth of field. Even stopped down only objects at the same distance can be perfectly focus and there's always some blur even than.
You can't stop down these smartphone cams, one of their limitations; you're stuck with a wide open lense.
Multi element (typically 7 elements or greater) lens can correct for it to a greater extent but you see the blur chart example I posted. That's one of the best primes available, all $6G's of that beast.
It's not just the blur pattern that the optic engineers need to address. Different colors have different wavelengths so they want to focus at different lengths. There are many tradeoffs. With only a small number of elements in a very small space the options are limited. Price is another consideration.
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Just like glackey said, even with my FF camera both of the subjects will be in focus, I don't think that DOF is the issue here.
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The shaky shot in S22 and steady shot in Oneplus, clean the lens and try without shaking the device, or maybe as you said it could be a defective phone!
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Both of the phones were steady and the lens was clean.