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MyTouch 4G Slide 8MP Camera vs Samsung Galaxy S II 8MP Camera?

Ok so the big wait a lot of us have been enduring for the Samsung Galaxy S II variation to hit US shores....ie Hercules for us.
So I'm curious, which camera will hold the throne?
Although equal in this case at 8MP, Megapixels don't mean everything. Everyone should know that.
I'm just curious though of the sensors between the two.
MyTouch 4G Slide:
8MP sensor combined with a 3.69mm 1:2.2 wide-angle autofocus lens.
Samsung Galaxy S II (Hercules)
8MP sensor "Anyone have more specs?"
In the tests and comparisons I've seen so far the Samsung has a killer camera vs other phones. The question is, how does it compare with the MT4GS's camera?
Personally I think it'll be a darn even match with pros and cons that will balance out on both sides.
I personally love the MT4GS camera. The picture quality can clown majority of the point and shoots. Can it replace a point and shoot? Absolutely yes.
Aside to using the phone for its purpose, I use the camera everyday so it's important to me.
What are your thoughts?
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Update: 9/24/11
So I went into the Sprint store today to check out Epic4G to see our brother phone (Hercules) in person. I took some pics with my MT4GS and Epic4G. I'm pretty surprised...
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NIGHT MODE.
As you can see the Epic4G is much more crisper and has more accurate colors.
AUTO MODE.
(Epic4G has more accurate colors and is not washed out like the MT4GS.)
(You'll notice the yellow on the price tag is washed out on MT4GS and not true to color. The text is washed out as well.)
(Look at the details on the black phone case on the bottom left. You can see details on the Epic4G, but on the MT4GS its washed out.)
Look at the blue area against the wall and you'll notice the Epic4G is much more richer in color/contrast and is also sharper around the edges.
Based on these samples, I was surprised of the results, as in I thought the MT4GS would have been better with indoor lighting. But it's not. Also based on the online comparisons of the SGSII camera, it's proved to diffuse the fame to claim of our MT4GS's of having the best camera.
If you look at the outdoor shots of the SGSII and compare it to MT4GS, you'll notice that the SGSII has an edge in picture quality. Less noise in general, better contrast and more true to color.
I'll update more soon...enjoy...

well there is a cameraphone comparison test which you might want to check.. but it doesn't include the samsung galaxy S II though..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Camera-blind-test-2_id20999
and here is the result :
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Blind-cameraphone-comparison-2-Results_id21221

Thanks!
I did see this one too which has the Samsung Galaxy S II
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-II-vs-LG-Optimus-2X-vs-Nokia-N8-vs-Apple-iPhone-4-Camera-comparison_id2744
forzanetti said:
well there is a cameraphone comparison test which you might want to check.. but it doesn't include the samsung galaxy S II though..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Camera-blind-test-2_id20999
and here is the result :
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Blind-cameraphone-comparison-2-Results_id21221
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As a current MT4GS user and shutterbug, I'm very interested in the photo quality of the SGS2. If it's better I may trade my phone for that one. Something tells me it will be close but I find it difficult to believe it will trump the pq of the MT4GS. Not to even mention the overall photo taking experience of this device due to the photo software which rivals a point and shoot.
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It's very interesting because the SGSII's main focus wasn't the camera, yet from all the shots I've seen so far with it, it is the only phone that can be compared to our MT4GS's camera.
I think the MT4GS has a fantastic camera. It's just that the SGSII, once we witness it in person, may prove to have an even better senor than we thought.
It's all in the air at this point. The bottom line is that the SGSII and MT4GS are equipped with the best cameras available on a smart phone to date.
Having been fortunate to grab every worthy smart phone from TM from the date of its release, I can humbly say that I'm very happy with the MT4GS. It has it all and gives a great phone experience, along with having a kick butt camera.
However, the SGSII is still on my list for the next phone to get. All the photo software stuff can be obtained with the many photo apps out there that can do what our phones can do now. It's not a big deal...
One thing about the MT4GS is that when you have it equipped with a 32GB Class 10 SD card like me, you'll notice a lot of lag....the engine (crapdragon) processor is junk and this is one major factor in why Samsung will dominate. Hope it comes with the Exynos processor...
_atlien_ said:
As a current MT4GS user and shutterbug, I'm very interested in the photo quality of the SGS2. If it's better I may trade my phone for that one. Something tells me it will be close but I find it difficult to believe it will trump the pq of the MT4GS. Not to even mention the overall photo taking experience of this device due to the photo software which rivals a point and shoot.
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Engadget made a comparison of the N8, SII, and MT4GS in their review for the Slide, and claimed the 4GS was just slightly lagging behind the SII. Now, that may depend on your preferences but imo, the 4GS takes better shots, based on the samples I've seen. The thing is, the 4GS has an auto-enhance feature turned on by default, which may be good for like facebook uploads, however, degrades quality at full size in order to remove noise and artificially sharpen. If you turn that off, you'll see the pictures, in fact, become even better.
Imo, the SII might produce slightly sharper pictures, but the 4GS is more accurate with colors. The SII tends to look a little more "washed out"

Don't forget the sensor in the mT4GS is BSI

raduque said:
Don't forget the sensor in the mT4GS is BSI
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Yep. Truly standout low light performance for a phone. Actually, better than most cheap point and shoots if you ask me. Also, there's this thread with some of our own photos: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1231050

napilopez said:
. Actually, better than most cheap point and shoots if you ask me.
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It takes better pics than my several years old Nikon Coolpix L4 P&S (except Macro mode, which is amazingly excellent on the Nikon, and I haven't really tested on the mt4gs).

raduque said:
It takes better pics than my several years old Nikon Coolpix L4 P&S (except Macro mode, which is amazingly excellent on the Nikon, and I haven't really tested on the mt4gs).
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I'd say give it a try, macro works beautifully on the 4GS, though I haven't seen the Nikon of course.
Took this shot 2 days ago. It's untouched except for scaling:

Beautiful picture. Here's a couple macro shots for you.
First, the Nikon:
Second, the 4G Slide
You decide. I do think it might be a little unfair to use a different subject, but I can't seem to find the Uruguay coin, and I don't know what I did with the Nikon, either. The Nikon had to be on a tripod to take that shot, though, so the 4G Slide has that over it.

raduque said:
Beautiful picture. Here's a couple macro shots for you.
You decide. I do think it might be a little unfair to use a different subject, but I can't seem to find the Uruguay coin, and I don't know what I did with the Nikon, either. The Nikon had to be on a tripod to take that shot, though, so the 4G Slide has that over it.
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The Nikon definitely looks better there, but I must jump in to further promote the MT4GS' potential, haha.
It seems like you have auto enhance on on the mytouch?(it's on by default) It seems a little artificially enhanced. As usual I recommend you turn it off, even if it means a bit of extra noise. Or maybe it's because the photo is cropped at full zoom?(or both haha)
I wouldn't say the different subject is the issue so much as the different lighting, though =P
Here are a couple of shots I just took, also unedited in any form except scaling. My main complain is that sometimes during really close macro shots it can be a pain for the camera to actually focus where I want it to!
These were mostly done in relatively low lighting, which still seriously impresses me about this cam. Indoor shots come out great, if slightly warm.

I have turned the auto-enhance off (first thing I did) and the picture is not zoomed or scaled, just cropped down. Both images were cropped and compressed to jpg using the same settings. And yeah, I've noticed that even in good light the macro mode has trouble focusing when really close. The Nikon was about an inch away while the Slide had to be about 2".
Those are pretty good shots.
Oh, and the lighting was the same for both shots - dark room with the same halogen desk lamp + my monitors, the color temp is just a lot warmer on the Slide vs the Nikon.

raduque said:
I have turned the auto-enhance off (first thing I did) and the picture is not zoomed or scaled, just cropped down. Both images were cropped and compressed to jpg using the same settings. And yeah, I've noticed that even in good light the macro mode has trouble focusing when really close. The Nikon was about an inch away while the Slide had to be about 2".
Those are pretty good shots.
Oh, and the lighting was the same for both shots - dark room with the same halogen desk lamp + my monitors, the color temp is just a lot warmer on the Slide vs the Nikon.
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Oh ok, it just seems like the coing for the Nikon is receiving substantially more light. And that's what I mean by zooming, being cropped down. Like mine are the entire image, but scaled to a 1024 pixel width.
Anyway, you win some you lose some. Nevertheless the 4GS takes some great shots

The only reason I can think of is because the Uruguay coin is much lighter in color than the other coin I used fro the Slide.
It's definitely a great camera though.

Well, that's weird. I've never seen that above 25%.
In fact, I just took a picture with a flash at 41% battery.
Edit: And here's the picture, macro mode w/flash
Looks better without flash, though

holy ****, this makes the atrix camera look so bad. time to look on craigslist.. haha

Great pic! How was that wine? Haha...I'm a wine fanatic...
Anyhow, enjoy your phone!
aad4321 said:
Here's a cool stock photo i took the day i got the phone. pretty sharp!
http://imgur.com/U4R92
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Original post updated w/ pictures...Comparison...Here it is also...Enjoy!
Update: 9/24/11
So I went into the Sprint store today to check out Epic4G to see our brother phone (Hercules) in person. I took some pics with my MT4GS and Epic4G. I'm pretty surprised...
NIGHT MODE.
As you can see the Epic4G is much more crisper and has more accurate colors.
AUTO MODE.
(Epic4G has more accurate colors and is not washed out like the MT4GS.)
(You'll notice the yellow on the price tag is washed out on MT4GS and not true to color. The text is washed out as well.)
(Look at the details on the black phone case on the bottom left. You can see details on the Epic4G, but on the MT4GS its washed out.)
Look at the blue area against the wall and you'll notice the Epic4G is much more richer in color/contrast and is also sharper around the edges.
Based on these samples, I was surprised of the results, as in I thought the MT4GS would have been better with indoor lighting. But it's not. Also based on the online comparisons of the SGSII camera, it's proved to diffuse the fame to claim of our MT4GS's of having the best camera.
If you look at the outdoor shots of the SGSII and compare it to MT4GS, you'll notice that the SGSII has an edge in picture quality. Less noise in general, better contrast and more true to color.
I'll update more soon...enjoy...

Samsung has always had way better camera then HTC.
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The Galaxy S4 camera vs HTC One vs Nokia 808

I would like to make clear that the One seems fine when viewing the photos normally on your phone or on Facebook. However where it fails badly is when you want to crop or view 100%, they're just shockingly bad
(btw all crops done from original file and not the uploaded file as uploads reduce image resolution)
I've had all three, just sent the One back cause I didn't like it so I cannot take any more pictures than I have with it.
These are 100% crops so obviously stuff will be bigger and smaller depending on the native image size. They're all taken from the same distance...
808: http://s23.postimg.org/5iowazs3e/image.jpg
GS4: http://s23.postimg.org/gh05t6gor/image.jpg
One: http://s23.postimg.org/65nt0iozf/image.jpg
Now obviously the One is too small so I try to zoom in bring it to the same size and.. http://s21.postimg.org/kd8wbfc9z/Untitled.jpg
Then I have the GS4 vs the 808 only...
Both zoomed in to the same and cropped..
808: http://s24.postimg.org/6t54wjrwl/image.jpg
GS4: http://s24.postimg.org/okgrb07b9/image.jpg
Native 100% cropped:
808: http://s18.postimg.org/x2qkzh98p/Untitled2.jpg
GS4: http://s18.postimg.org/wop8zvp55/Untitled.jpg
Landscape shots:
Slightly different times of day but the same amount of sun, I had to reduce the 808 file size because it couldn't be uploaded as the image was over 20mb.
808: http://s21.postimg.org/pgnax5h47/2013_05_02_0385.jpg
GS4: http://s10.postimg.org/dz3eyyhtk/20130502_121344.jpg
One: http://s10.postimg.org/pmxgti6yg/IMAG0002.jpg
100% crop...
808: http://s9.postimg.org/rv1eo31qn/image.jpg
GS4: http://s9.postimg.org/x906vmrgu/image.jpg
One: http://s9.postimg.org/naf895i1b/image.jpg
Trying to bring the Ones image size to the others because the low MP count makes small images.. http://s9.postimg.org/q7299fnv3/image.jpg
Now these ones were all done on different days so they're not direct but really more about the detail. The 808 had quite a bit of direct sunlight ruining the image and as every it's reduced in size so I can upload. I haven't been up the fields yet with the GS4 so I will post one later...
808: http://s22.postimg.org/lnkyf2r5c/2013_04_21_0221.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/eln0svnjk/IMAG0010.jpg
100% crops
808: http://s18.postimg.org/8wbstzeo9/image.jpg
One: http://s23.postimg.org/kg0l3mfwb/image.jpg
Low Light:
Now I've looked at the HTC One and how it handles low light and really all I can work out is it uses OIS to increase the ISO without getting blur. When I lock the ISO instead of putting it on auto I get these results...
ISO 200:
GS4: http://s22.postimg.org/iwkiqt33k/20130502_121723.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/73mpml6nk/IMAG0012.jpg
808: http://s14.postimg.org/65j9m8fk1/2013_05_02_0391.jpg
ISO 400:
GS4:http://s11.postimg.org/zcww14o7m/20130502_121732.jpg
One: http://s11.postimg.org/ib41z19ci/IMAG0013.jpg
Auto ISO:
GS4: http://s9.postimg.org/5jzriw0b2/20130502_121511.jpg
One: http://s9.postimg.org/fss8opocu/IMAG0019.jpg
My One has a pink spot in the middle, the GS4 can get even brighter with night mode on which Im guess allows the ISO to go above 800 because this is what I get with Night mode on the GS4 and ISO set to 1600 on the HTC One.
GS4: http://s22.postimg.org/ma6jir0ts/20130502_121604.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/u475458mo/IMAG0015.jpg
Both of them with ISO set to their lowest:
GS4: http://s24.postimg.org/so4v10wzo/20130502_121530.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/4hpkom8z5/IMAG0010.jpg
Interestingly enough the 808 thrashed both of them, though they all struggle to find a focus when taking a pic from the dark, which the 808 couldn't as I have focus lamp assist off on the 808 which it really needs.
Now this comparison isn't perfect but from my use of all three phones it obviously goes...
1. 808
2. GS4
Way wayyyyyyy behind
3. HTC One.
I want to add, the room is not that dark, it's daylight but that is the only place I can find it to where it's dusk like conditions. I don't understand why the GS4 and HTC One struggle so much without turning ISO to max, my guess is sensor size is way more important than pixel size, I dunno. The HTC One just seems to rely on OIS and ISO really, I see no proof of this ultra pixel thing, the 808 thrashes them both though. I don't understand what other reviews are doing, I'm guessing they're leaving ISO set automatic and not playing with the options? Either way the HTC One takes such poor shots that you don't want to use any of them, they look fine in normal size, however as soon as you 100% them on your desktop monitor, they're poor!
The biggest downfall though of the 808 is you cannot upload the images anywhere, you can see in the crops how big the original image must be. I'm doing this on a 1080p monitor and the 808s crops take up the whole screen and I often cannot crop the whole thing I want to when it's 100% lol.

According to your sample pics...only 808 has real color and detailed pic....even s4's pics seem very yellowish....
One also has god color but not properly focused
Frankly speaking only winner is Nokia 808
Both s4 and one are losers here
Unfortunately; i didnt expect this from s4

They're all good cameras when you view them like this, however when you want to view them in their 100% form, the 808 wins by miles and the HTC One should never have bothered to enter the race.
ipsuvedi said:
According to your sample pics...only 808 has real color and detailed pic....even s4's pics seem very yellowish....
One also has god color but not properly focused
Frankly speaking only winner is Nokia 808
Both s4 and one are losers here
Unfortunately; i didnt expect this from s4
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The GS4 FoV is too narrow and it's too oversaturated, which may be a firmware thing. See shots taken with the GS4:
http://s21.postimg.org/vegwixasn/20130502_121358.jpg
http://s17.postimg.org/97h9j8hv3/20130502_153230.jpg
However the FoV is so narrow compared to the others. With the same shot at the same distance I can get this on the 808, you may think the GS4 has more detail for the same distance, however if I zoomed in on a shot with the 808 I'd keep so much more detail that it doesn't matter. So really if I want to have an image be closer, I can zoom in on a shot taken further away or I can go close before I take the shot. With the GS4 you only get one option, keep backing away because the FoV always makes you look closer than you really are.
http://s14.postimg.org/wtaq1qrwh/2013_03_19_0012.jpg
Now the One has a much wider lens than the GS4, however as soon as you zoom in to get a view in the detail, you just see pixels everywhere, so you have to get so much closer with the one to get detail out of things...
http://s7.postimg.org/rcn59193v/IMAG0010.jpg

DP

Thx. The 808 is still the king, but the GS4 comes quite close during the daylight. Are you using the SnapDragon version of the GS4 BTW? It is worth checking Mobiele-Review's big showdown with the Exynos 5 variant, which I suspect to have a different sensor to the Snapdragon half-brother.
http://translate.google.com/transla.../mobile-review.com/review/phototest2013.shtml

The one´s camera is 4MP. Landscape photos arent the strength of the camera (but also not a real weakness if you dont zoom). It has other advantages:
-OIS
-extremly fast shutter speed, so you can take pictures of moving persons/animals/cars without blur
-very good low light capabilities (and no, the hdr night mode of the s4 is not comparable, its just good for stills)
-Wide FOV
-very good macro pictures
-very good hdr pictures

It is pretty obvious and well known that if you want to crop/zoom in on photos, then the one is not the camera phone for you, it simply doesn't have enough megapixels.
Viewing the one photos on my calibrated dell U2331H monitor look very good (when not zooming in), especially macro shots (macro shots look better than what my one S produces and it is has a superb camera), now if I had a very high res. panel then my opinion would be different.
Getting tired of people saying this xxxxx phone is better than this xxxx phone, this xxxx phone sucks zOMG!!! As if to say that only one-two area matters, there is more to a camera/photo quality than just the ability to zoom and good or/and low light conditions....
This is how I look at it:
Main advantages of the GS 4 camera over the one are;
- if you crop/zoom in on images, have a very high res. display and/or print photos on large paper, this is where more MP really shines!
- Bright landscape conditions
- panorama shots
- features/options overall
Main advantages of the one camera over the GS 4 are:
- very fast shutter and combined with OIS, you get more consistent/usable photos, more so in lower light conditions and/or with movement shots
- indoor conditions, low light/dark conditions
- much larger FOV
- audio recording (really amazing in loud environments) and video recording overall (GS 4 looks excellent for 1080P recording but the OIS, FOV [which is further reduced on the GS 4 when you enable image stabilisation] etc. give the one the edge by quite a bit imo)
The GS 4 can perform superbly in low light/night conditions with "night" mode but it comes at a cost, slower shutter thus only useful with non moving objects and you need to have a steady hand.
Regarding the features/options, both seem to be more or less the same, GS 4 has the edge with a few more things to choose from. Most of the one's features are tied to the zoe feature and gallery i.e. sequence/drama shot, always smiling, eraser/removing objects etc. where as the features on the GS 4 are selectable through the camera app.
Macro shots look superb on both, need to see more from the GS 4 end users, but so far I think the one is better in this area, the photos are just very detailed and have a "natural" look to them.
Up to the end user this part, but photo size is quite different due to the difference in MP, talking about 1.5MP on average for the one VS 6.5MB for a photo from the GS 4, personally for me, smaller photo size is a nice wee bonus.
Haven't seen many HDR shots from either phone except for some of the review sites, but both look very good in their own ways.
And I haven't even covered the actual "quality" of the image i.e. in terms of colours etc. From what we have seen so far, I would have to say that the one looks more natural and the GS 4 saturates the photos a wee bit [which I quite like depending on the scenario] (saying that, this is easily solved by adjusting the contrast or saturation in the one camera app, can't remember if you can do this with the GS 4 camera app???), however, in some shots i.e. white/grey buildings, the one looks too yellow, the one had a problem with exposure i.e. white clouds, very bright conditions etc. but this has been fixed/improved with 1.29.
Both phones will improve with updates, especially the HTC one since the camera tec. is fairly new for a phone camera especially to HTC (only two phones have OIS, the other one being the lumia 920)
Comes down to what the end user wants.

I don't know but smth seems wrong with your gs4. It's too yellow ish.

Always interested to see people consistently list wider FOV in the One as an advantage. Really its just different, whether an advantage or not depends on the types of subjects and scenes you typically find yourself snapping. For many people a more narrow FOV would actually be an asset, tending to be better for close in stuff and portraiture type stuff (if there was enough detail to allow cropping down to a more narrow FOV after the fact then I do think the wide FOV would be a straight-up advantage, but there isn't and it isn't). If any thing I think the wide FOV in the One is relatively mismatched to its strengths.

True, it does come down to what type of scenario you are shooting, the way I personally look at it, is that its better to have it than not to, there are quite a few shots that I wouldn't have got as well with the FOV of the GS 4 i.e. when in Rome last year, I wouldn't have been able to fit any where as much of the ruins and other landmarks in with the GS 4 camera (was on a bus tour so couldn't "step back") likewise with group shots and certain other scenarios.
You can always crop the image too but of course as you touched upon there, with the low MP count on the one, it isn't best advised. Personally I don't think I have ever cropped any of my photos.
The main area where a large FOV really shines imo, is video recording, especially since the GS 4 FOV is further reduced when you turn image stabilisation on.

Terminator19 said:
True, it does come down to what type of scenario you are shooting, the way I personally look at it, is that its better to have it than not to, there are quite a few shots that I wouldn't have got as well with the FOV of the GS 4 i.e. when in Rome last year, I wouldn't have been able to fit any where as much of the ruins and other landmarks in with the GS 4 camera (was on a bus tour so couldn't "step back") likewise with group shots and other scenarios.
You can always crop the image too but of course as you touched upon there, with the low MP count on the one, it isn't best advised. Personally I don't think I have cropped any of my photos.
The main area where a large FOV really shines is video recording though, especially since the GS 4 FOV is further reduced when you turn image stabilisation on.
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Yeah, I was only really referring to the stills camera.
In the scenarios you mention like sightseeing type scenarios I would probably happily take the improved detail in the S4 over the wider FOV of the One, there is an element of personal preference there of course.

S4 video recording stabilization
Galaxy S4 video recording stabilization gets tested in offroad conditions
http://www.itcnews24.com/galaxy-s4-video-recording-stabilization-gets-tested-in-offroad-conditions-itcnews24-11516.html

http://blog.gsmarena.com/video-stab...galaxy-s4-improves-over-s-iii-but-not-enough/

I have booth S4 and a One. I tend to use the one because I have kids, kids move around , waves arms and just can't stand still. I still haven't shoot one single shoot with the S4 with the kids unblurred.
The S4 waits for AOSP/CM (can't stand TW) connected to the tv set and the One is in my pocket . Both are great phones but the one do what I need to do best, listening to music and snapping pics of my kids. And yes, 4 mp is little to small, if I could carry both it had been perfect
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Here is a little help, if you can't decide whether to take the one or s4. At the end of the video there is also a comparison of the both cameras :

I have the one and s4 snapdragon version. The galaxy 4 is much better
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Partly cloudy, outdoor under a sun shelter
S4 is notably sharper and brighter. I pressed to focus on the middle sand for each phone.
S4
HTC One
Indoors with low-average light.
S4 is sharper but took longer with the shutter. But the clicks after were quick.
S4
HTC One
Indoors with a window closeby.
S4 is sharper but shutter was about 25% slower to 'click'
S4
HTC One
Indoors with the previous photo window farther away.
Light is average.
S4 is sharper but shutter 25% slower to 'click' S4 colour is more accurate.
S4
HTC One
Basement with low light
Again S4 shutter slower but sharper photo.
S4
HTC One
Here are some crappy moving shot tests... lol.
I kicked a ball and took a pic.
S4
HTC One
This one shows the HTC One being slow to focus and take the shot.
I pressed the shutter button at the same time but the htc one had trouble taking the shot.
S4
HTC one
Outdoor moving shot. Kicked a ball, took a pic.
Here the HTC one was faster with the shutter. I actually took two while the S4 only got 1 off.
S4
HTC One

We can not speak about Nokia 808 vs S4.....
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Thx. The 808 is still the king, but the GS4 comes quite close during the daylight. Are you using the SnapDragon version of the GS4 BTW? It is worth checking Mobiele-Review's big showdown with the Exynos 5 variant, which I suspect to have a different sensor to the Snapdragon half-brother.
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Thanks giving me back to this link, it is interesting because it is one of the best comparison done already (dpreview did also a good one)
Just a point to clarify, this review is done with I9500 not I 9505, that give much better camera results as they are different hardware.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2327355

Photo quality comparision by GSMArena:
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HTC One is a loser in Camera.
Secondly, Someone will always go for a DSLR if he/she just wants a camera. Buying 808 for camera is like hiring Sunny Leone for just her Acting skills.

[Solved] Please help me choose between: G3/Z2/S5/M8 to replace S4.

I've had my SGS4 for over a year now.. and lets just say.. I'm not satisfied with it. I never really have been. I've supported Samsung from having the Galaxy S+ right now up to the S4. Samsung almost lost my support after the design and performance of the terrible S3, however after seeing and hearing of the improvements of the S4 I decided to give them one last chance. Lets just say that they blew that chance and now I want another phone.
In my country of Finland only these top phones are currently available (listed in absolutely no order of preference):
Sony Xperia Z2
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Pros:
Large Battery
3GB RAM
MicroSD
20.7MP Camera
Cons:
Non-removable battery
Slightly slower clocked Krait 400 CPU (2.3Ghz)
Camera quality lacks definitive sharpening (everything looks like paper)
GUI looks terrible
No MicroUSB 3.0
No Infra-red port
Samsung Galaxy S5
Pros:
Best quality camera and video by far, best sharpness and detail but is there an issue with some colours? (shown here)
MicroUSB 3.0
Dust & Water Resistant
2.5 GHz Krait 400
Undoubtedly the best contrast/quality screen in a smartphone
Large removable battery and supposedly good battery life
Infra-red port
Cons:
It's a Samsung phone... and I'm not keen on supporting them again after all the issues I've had with the S3 and S4
Plastic design again, and even uglier backplate this time
2GB RAM vs. 3GB RAM on the Sony Z2 and LG G3
Galaxy S5 Prime / Galaxy F around the corner?
TouchWiz sucks elephant pole
LG G3
Pros:
QHD 1440 x 2560 Display
Good visual look
3GB RAM with the 32GB version
GUI Looks pretty nice
2.5 GHz Krait 400
Large removable battery
Infra-red port
Cons:
Overkill with the Display size? Heat / Lag issues? / Battery life? / Not 'that' stunning?
It's still plastic even if it doesn't look like it
Camera and video quality isn't that amazing and tends to sport a lot of those typical 'squarey' textures in photos
It's reportedly bigger, borderline 'phablet' (tbh I think my Galaxy S4 is large enough)
LG's first attempt at trying to compete with the big boys... ergo. lack of experience in the field?
No MicroUSB 3.0
HTC One M8
Pros:
That awesome design look, by far the most appealing/premium feel
Stereo Speakers that are apparently good
Front facing 5MP camera over all the other's 2/2.1MP
Infra-red port
Cons:
Abysmal camera that is overexposed and etc in regular light, depth stuff doesn't make up for the lack of Megapixels even if low light shots are good. Also the video isn't remotely as good as the other phones
Slightly slower clocked Krait 400 CPU (2.3Ghz)
Smaller non-removable battery
No MicroUSB 3.0
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All of them in Finland are priced around the same amount. €640 - €660. I have to get the phone on a plan and these are the only 4 that I am really considering. I am not interested in Apple phones at all. Terrible iOS, 8MP cameras and smaller non-full HD screens do not remotely interest me. Especially for the premium price tag and ease of smashing them if they drop. But lets not get started on that. In addition I am not interested with Lumia phones at all.
What I use my phone for mostly (in this oder):
Taking many pictures and videos and using the front camera for video & skype
Whatsapp and Viber
Music music and more music
Some small gaming
Maps and GPS use
Email and Web browsing
Youtube and other video stuff
Modding, and stuff I am not supposed to do. dSploit and etc.
My most important things (all of these are top-priority):
I have no interest on getting a proper DSLR/Point-and-shoot camera so I want my phone to have a good camera.
It needs to be lag free, I am paying a premium price
I want the colours and pictures to just jump out at me like WOW
I don't want the company/brand I buy it from trying to make things like modding/xposed/rooting etc. progressively harder for me
Connectivity. Good signal strength, no lags on 3G or 4G
That if it falls, it will not just smash/screen crack on the first mistake
What is not so important:
Battery life, unless it's got a non-removable battery (which I usually auto-hate) because I will just buy another spare battery (if I can)
Warranty options and Customer support (only in the sense of warranty and troubleshooting)
Stuff like fingerprint scanners and heartrate monitors, barometers etc. I don't really care about
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So guys any suggestions? It would help if you do own/have owned the phones I am talking about. I can only get these phones that I have listed so I am not interested in any others. Do you think there is a phone there that would fit the things that I am looking for? Or do you think that I should seriously wait for the Galaxy S 5 Prime / Galaxy F (or whatever it will be called) and then see what differences to the build design/material and hardware there are and make my decision then? Do you think the release will be close by, or are we looking at something like late September (maybe too far away for me).
Sorry for a long thread and hopefully this can help more than one person !
P.S. I've read many reviews and watched many videos on all of the phones listed but they do not constitute really in my opinion 'real world use' that is what I seem to get from XDA forum members. In that we all share the same experiences and problems which is why I am asking here.
Thanks again!
P.S. If a mod thinks that this is in the wrong section or that it should be merged with a larger thread then feel free to do so. I couldn't find really anything using the search option

For me, the short answer is that Sony Z2 is the overall best device (feature wise) of 4 of them.
Based on the facts and your needs:
- You should not choose G3 because it has a QHD display that you will not need. And believe it the screen brightness and quality doesnt look as good as S5 from user reviews.
- You should not choose S5 because its not that pretty and overrated
- You should not choose M8 because simply the only thing is better from other 3 is the astonish aluminium design
On the other hand i will agree on the cons of Sony Z2 you mention but i believe there are minor based on the other 3 devices and your needs. I also dont like the huge bezels in Z2 but this is something i can leave with it. Note that you will hold on your hand a device that is as huge as Lg G3 but is 5.2 inches instead of 5.5
Final words, there is no such a thing as best device. But based on what you wrote Z2 is the overall best for you since it has the greatest camera, very good design, performance and of course dont forget that is waterproof and dustproof device.

lakiscy said:
For me, the short answer is that Sony Z2 is the overall best device (feature wise) of 4 of them.
Based on the facts and your needs:
- You should not choose G3 because it has a QHD display that you will not need. And believe it the screen brightness and quality doesnt look as good as S5 from user reviews.
- You should not choose S5 because its not that pretty and overrated
- You should not choose M8 because simply the only thing is better from other 3 is the astonish aluminium design
On the other hand i will agree on the cons of Sony Z2 you mention but i believe there are minor based on the other 3 devices and your needs. I also dont like the huge bezels in Z2 but this is something i can leave with it. Note that you will hold on your hand a device that is as huge as Lg G3 but is 5.2 inches instead of 5.5
Final words, there is no such a thing as best device. But based on what you wrote Z2 is the overall best for you since it has the greatest camera, very good design, performance and of course dont forget that is waterproof and dustproof device.
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Thanks for such a detailed reply. The Z2 camera doesn't look as good as the S5, and I think that Sony has definitely just tried to push the Megapixel limits without really giving much thought to anything else. The ISO seems to be so much lower in all of the pictures, and all of the colours are very washed out. I could use software on the computer to add more colour to the pictures, but that's kind of time consuming and annoying. In addition to this a lot of people have said that the triluminous display is very flawed in that it glares so heavily in the light and that the screen is riddled with dead pixels and has inherent flaws that cause the screen to deteriorate after even a short time. The lack of removable battery is a let down too and the GUI is terrible and it definitely doesn't feel very comfortable in my hand, though it doesn't feel big either. These are the main reasons why I wasn't really considering it at all. And also why I think I have narrowed it down to just the S5 or the M8.
S5 for the best possible camera for pictures and videos.
I can still get a metal case to hide its ugliness.
Good battery life and power saving modes.
It does the best for what it is, camera is very refined, shooting modes are great and it's blisteringly fast if you get rid of TouchWiz.
It has by far the best screen of any smartphone.
MicroUSB 3.0
Removable battery
M8 for the fact that it looks and feels like a million dollars
It's not a Samdung phone
The Ultrapixel camera would come in handy for certain types of shots and indoor/low light pictures
Lack of removable battery means less messing around with external batteries (still I would prefer removable)
It's lightning fast, charges quickly and the UI looks amazing (but I'd probably still use Themer)
Could be nice to just finally change brands after the long haul of Samsung phones
This is why I lean more to the S5 even though I am really, really put off by Samsung these days.
Otherwise I really, seriously appreciate you taking the time to suggest the Z2. Especially as your first post on the forums.
Thanks so much

leijonasisu said:
Thanks for such a detailed reply. The Z2 camera doesn't look as good as the S5, and I think that Sony has definitely just tried to push the Megapixel limits without really giving much thought to anything else. The ISO seems to be so much lower in all of the pictures, and all of the colours are very washed out. I could use software on the computer to add more colour to the pictures, but that's kind of time consuming and annoying. In addition to this a lot of people have said that the triluminous display is very flawed in that it glares so heavily in the light and that the screen is riddled with dead pixels and has inherent flaws that cause the screen to deteriorate after even a short time. The lack of removable battery is a let down too and the GUI is terrible and it definitely doesn't feel very comfortable in my hand, though it doesn't feel big either. These are the main reasons why I wasn't really considering it at all. And also why I think I have narrowed it down to just the S5 or the M8.
S5 for the best possible camera for pictures and videos.
I can still get a metal case to hide its ugliness.
Good battery life and power saving modes.
It does the best for what it is, camera is very refined, shooting modes are great and it's blisteringly fast if you get rid of TouchWiz.
It has by far the best screen of any smartphone.
MicroUSB 3.0
Removable battery
M8 for the fact that it looks and feels like a million dollars
It's not a Samdung phone
The Ultrapixel camera would come in handy for certain types of shots and indoor/low light pictures
Lack of removable battery means less messing around with external batteries (still I would prefer removable)
It's lightning fast, charges quickly and the UI looks amazing (but I'd probably still use Themer)
Could be nice to just finally change brands after the long haul of Samsung phones
This is why I lean more to the S5 even though I am really, really put off by Samsung these days.
Otherwise I really, seriously appreciate you taking the time to suggest the Z2. Especially as your first post on the forums.
Thanks so much
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Hello, It is my first post because i was searching the same thing on the web and came to your post lol.
It seems that you have already make up your decision and you just need confirmation for it
I dont want to debate on Z2 but most of your points might be special cases but mainly they are all wrong.
While you have narrow your results to S5 and M8 i would just say if you are going to use a case on your phone then just get the S5

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I don't think the issues with the Z2 are special cases. Yeah it might have 3GB of RAM. But it also has no Infra-red device. Read the XDA forums, a lot of people have returned 3 devices in a row for dead pixels and other screen issues. Triluminos doesn't hold a candle to AMOLED anyway. The camera really isn't all that special at all. It might take the biggest pictures, that look really nice zoomed out but the colours are so, so so washed out compared to other phones. It's a fact. Also it feels uncomfortable in my hands, I can't remove the battery. The GUI really actually IS BAD.
In terms of the camera quality. Check this page:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=6144&idPhone2=6033&idPhone3=6294
Then move to the 'colour poster' and look at the difference. The camera has such a low level of sharpness and finite detail to things like hairs and leaves. Namely edges really don't show up at all, it makes the whole picture look like there's absolutely 0 depth what so ever. It looks like a paper print out. That isn't to say that it is a bad camera. It's just not as good as the S5. Images on the Z2 might look a lot more smooth but they are also a lot more washed out in terms of colour.
I really don't like the idea of the S5 at all and I don't want to really support Samsung but I am not paying a premium for a phone that I feel doesn't match the money that I am spending on it, just because I have personal issues with the brand, I'm just speaking on facts in this case. :/
Thanks though, I really appreciate it and I am happy that you seem to have found what phone you want.
EDIT: I got the S5 and I have never been happier, it's improved on every aspect of the S4 that I hated. Just wish it had more RAM.

Dude hi im really happy for you getting the S5. I also decided not to buy Z2 and got G2 because i couldnt resist on the low price of it (270 EUR).
Wish you the best

leijonasisu said:
I don't think the issues with the Z2 are special cases. Yeah it might have 3GB of RAM. But it also has no Infra-red device. Read the XDA forums, a lot of people have returned 3 devices in a row for dead pixels and other screen issues. Triluminos doesn't hold a candle to AMOLED anyway. The camera really isn't all that special at all. It might take the biggest pictures, that look really nice zoomed out but the colours are so, so so washed out compared to other phones. It's a fact. Also it feels uncomfortable in my hands, I can't remove the battery. The GUI really actually IS BAD.
In terms of the camera quality. Check this page:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=6144&idPhone2=6033&idPhone3=6294
Then move to the 'colour poster' and look at the difference. The camera has such a low level of sharpness and finite detail to things like hairs and leaves. Namely edges really don't show up at all, it makes the whole picture look like there's absolutely 0 depth what so ever. It looks like a paper print out. That isn't to say that it is a bad camera. It's just not as good as the S5. Images on the Z2 might look a lot more smooth but they are also a lot more washed out in terms of colour.
I really don't like the idea of the S5 at all and I don't want to really support Samsung but I am not paying a premium for a phone that I feel doesn't match the money that I am spending on it, just because I have personal issues with the brand, I'm just speaking on facts in this case. :/
Thanks though, I really appreciate it and I am happy that you seem to have found what phone you want.
EDIT: I got the S5 and I have never been happier, it's improved on every aspect of the S4 that I hated. Just wish it had more RAM.
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You know every time I see someone bashing the z2's camera it always turns out that they get their info from gsmarena. No wonder you've always gone with Samsung. They're notorious Sammy promoters. There are a lot of other techblogs, pocketnow, CNET, android authority, the verge, etc that all preferred the z2's camera.
For as long as you keep relying on gsmarena, you'll always stick to Samsung
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Hehehe you're hacker
You should go for HTC M8 !
2,3 Ghz is enough for a CPU
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The distortion issue - A scientific approach and why you (likely) all have it

Hey there,
I know, lots of threads out there and many argue they have more or less issues with distortion. Now, I happened to have had a few lectures - or a few more - in Physics (Optics) back in college and I'm still a passionate photographer.
Here is the basics: All lenses have distortion. The light is redirected, that causes distortion. So what do you do? Easy, you create a lense profile that exactly fits the distortion pattern and corrects the incoming information. That is possible if the lens has a regular distortion pattern, e.g. if the cut of the lense is accurate.
How do you check that? Now, you need a little time, a tripod and a checkerboard pattern. You then put the lens you want to test STRAIGHT in front of the pattern and make sure the orientation EXACTLY fits the one of the checkerboard (linear distortion).
You take a picture.
Now you talk half of the picture (like the right side of your picture), mirror it and see if the mirrored part fits the original (ofc the left part in this case).
This is what I did. Here are the results.
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The Sony Xperia XZ Premium distortion issue is a lens issue. The mirrored pattern fits the original pattern exactly, the deviation is zero. Lenses are produced in ridiculously big batches, I doubt that there is even more than one producer. An unclean cut e.g. production waste causes non-linear distortions - but that is not the case here. I'd bet that non of you has distortion different from what I have found, it's about proper testing.
"But I can barely see it on normal pictures" - Yes, because that is how our human brain works. We understand optical patterns as logical and commonly don't see them. What we see is deviations. When tested empirically, 90% of all test participants cannot tell whether or not a picture has common lens distortion (e.g. differs from what you'd see in case u saw it with your own eyes).
So - Sony can handle this by patching an appropriate lense profile.

My issue is the same. I am not a professional photographer but I know that this is a lenss issue. So you think Sony can patch this with software update?

tomo100brt said:
My issue is the same. I am not a professional photographer but I know that this is a lenss issue. So you think Sony can patch this with software update?
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It can at least be corrected to a degree where one won't notice it anymore.

So I hope Sony will admit this issue and release a software update? I think they're still not admitting this issue as an issue.

They still have a lot to improve with the camera. While it's pretty good imo, the low light quality could be better, the minor distortion could be fixed (even if not completely, better than how it is now), the camera app can be improved a lot with new settings, the quality of 960fps videos can really be improved (I understand it's 720p, but here I am talking about the artifacts it has in anything but perfect light), and they should make Timeshift (that feature where it takes 60 pictures in 1 second) available already (my old Z always had it).

chesterr said:
So I hope Sony will admit this issue and release a software update? I think they're still not admitting this issue as an issue.
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yes, sony staff still remain silent on this ,so bad,
Xzs the same problem has been two months, still silent

Thanks for the super detailed professional explain here. And I agree with the above guys that Sony does not admit that there is a problem, has remained silent for a long time, that is weird.
and I used your photo to update the Sony Forum posts which they have deleted and restored,hope you don't mind.
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-XZ-Premium/XZP-camera-has-serious-distortion-issue/m-p/1226731#M1880

hi @Illux
any idea for below ?
A little progress here
(I don't know this is progress for camera mode or not,but I think it's helpful to understand ,there really is a serious distortion)
On camera video mode (FHD60fps,FHD 30FPS ,HD),the distortion will disappear only when you switch SteadyShot on. turn it off the distortion will be appear obviously. As we know electronic stabilization need "sacrifice" some pixels to processing stabilization data,This is why switch SteadyShot on will cause the composition different. But I compared the video pixel and clarity between on and off,the difference is not particularly noticeable.So I guess there really have a good one distortion correction parameter for 1080P and 720P Pixels proportion, like a professional camera have for different lens which you can free to switch on and off, even adjust the distortion correction level.
On 4k video mode still have distortion no matter you turn on or off the SteadyShot. I think cause 4K mode using full pixel sampling and then compressed merge pixels,recorded all the distortion just like the camera mode use full pixels.
So is there a good distortion correction parameter for full pixels shooting ?
or already have one but not working like 1080P and 720P?
or the full pixels correction it is already the best we can get ?
And when you video shoot three-dimensional objects turn off SteadyShot move angles around , you will see the distortion make perspective increase serious bad.
Try turn it on , it's much much better just like a normal camera does ,still a little bit of deformation but that is totally in acceptable range.
Try video the person you familiar with , easily move around shoot by different angles and distances,you will not see the SUPER body parts distortion which in the camera mode.

feskey said:
hi @Illux
any idea for below ?
[yadayadayada]
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First of all, interesting findings. Didn't occur to me to try that out. Nice idea. It's not only some, it's important progress
Well, I did a very short research on SteadyShot, seems they crop the picture and use the sensor as multi-grid, meaning as long as one part of the sensor captures an equivalent image to the one before, you get a steady video.
That means there is countless(!) sub-lens profiles somewhere that manage to produce corrected images if only a part of the sensor is in use - but not a single one that works for the entire sensor. Wtf.
I'm puzzled.

Illux said:
First of all, interesting findings. Didn't occur to me to try that out. Nice idea. It's not only some, it's important progress
Well, I did a very short research on SteadyShot, seems they crop the picture and use the sensor as multi-grid, meaning as long as one part of the sensor captures an equivalent image to the one before, you get a steady video.
That means there is countless(!) sub-lens profiles somewhere that manage to produce corrected images if only a part of the sensor is in use - but not a single one that works for the entire sensor. Wtf.
I'm puzzled.
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OK ,Now sony developer said this is normal , and decided to respond for fix this issue, I am considering to return refund.

Wow this is interesting. I just ordered this phone.. Starting to regret it now

feskey said:
OK ,Now sony developer said this is normal , and decided to respond for fix this issue, I am considering to return refund.
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Take a look at this post:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2017/06/2...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)
There are some interesting explainations about this.

schickel said:
Take a look at this post:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2017/06/2...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)
There are some interesting explainations about this.
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I am really disappointed that they're saying it's normal. C'mon you can clearly see the distortion and they advertise it as anti-distortion when you take fast moving subjects!
Sony mobile is so bad at camera algorithms, It's been years and years and yet they fail to deliver decent phone with less issues. I am gonna get the phone as well just because of the design and software, Camera I will hardly be using.

Compared with your distortion map as follows:
see this sony official dancing woman's photos (above photo)from XZP you can find in your phone,The distortion has been already there very serious, just that wall have bad workmanship make you think it is.Do a anti color you will see the serious distortion just absolutely same as XZP distortion map below .
look at the merger photo here you will see the coincide curve line.You know what is the most coincidence part that this little woman's head and body just inside the blue box area where have less distortion.XZP review online they all took photo from long distant landscape,no close-range or people so we can see the issue very coincidental .S PHONE and IPHONE review usually have close range shoot and close portrait.
See this official photos.Whether use any angle to shoot these light bulbs should be regular spherical,rgiht ?! But the one closest to the yellow safe area has been distort absolutely serious already.I'm not saying that wide angle don't have distortion, But this level ..........!This is definitely not a photographer and perspective problem.Also the "curve line" certainly affected distortion.
Now the light bulb photo and map explained why my photo will be seriously deformed ,and also explained that no matter what angle and composition I try I can't get one normal photo .Explained that why I use a 4:3 scale will have even more elongate head,also more and more in single person photo like below. (borrow from other user) Exactly same issue like my traveler's photos,which they Complained about.
This is not an ordinary perspective and wide-angle problem or what ever industry standards is.More like a failed lens design ,what is the point to use the lens like that ? Mobile phone camera should be to allow users to take pictures more easily than professional camera.Most users will not use the phone to shoot master style landscape photos. Most of them are normal shooting for ordinary live photo.If this phone designed for some landscape and flowers which are random shape please put it in the ad and packaging.Also even the landscape you can see the distortion easily than other phone.
My old note5 and the new S8 I tried ,Safe area it is roughly in green box see above photo.
I see the user here said that if cut some pixels may be able to get less distortion.If so, I would agree and accept too.And also like Samsung make a late correct option on software would be grateful.

Ok guys, let me Pop in here. My XZP has also this issue (Europe, 7.1.1). Compared quick and dirty with My other devices: Lumia 950XL has a better geometry in the upper half Image with almost no distortion, lower half is convexed. Dunno why. The worst Image, even worse than the Sony, gives me My Samsung S7 Edge, really wavy geometry all over the Image. Best Output Comes from My iPhone 7Plus, with almost no distortions. Posted Image is cropped from the S7 Edge Output.

BBEN66 said:
Ok guys, let me Pop in here. My XZP has also this issue (Europe, 7.1.1). Compared quick and dirty with My other devices: Lumia 950XL has a better geometry in the upper half Image with almost no distortion, lower half is convexed. Dunno why. The worst Image, even worse than the Sony, gives me My Samsung S7 Edge, really wavy geometry all over the Image. Best Output Comes from My iPhone 7Plus, with almost no distortions. Posted Image is cropped from the S7 Edge Output.
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Samsung have a Shape Correction option in camrea ,did you turn it on ? If your turn it on the output image will do a auto correction make it perfect. And S7e's distortion only at the side which is pincushion distortion, not like XZP it is really all over the image which is pincushion distortion + barrel distortion
see link on #8
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xz-premium/help/poll-distortion-issue-xperia-xz-premium-t3625326

YUYYY said:
Compared with your distortion map as follows:
This is not an ordinary perspective and wide-angle problem or what ever industry standards is.More like a failed lens design ,what is the point to use the lens like that ? Mobile phone camera should be to allow users to take pictures more easily than professional camera.Most users will not use the phone to shoot master style landscape photos. Most of them are normal shooting for ordinary live photo.If this phone designed for some landscape and flowers which are random shape please put it in the ad and packaging.Also even the landscape you can see the distortion easily than other phone.
My old note5 and the new S8 I tried ,Safe area it is roughly in green box see above photo.
I see the user here said that if cut some pixels may be able to get less distortion.If so, I would agree and accept too.And also like Samsung make a late correct option on software would be grateful.
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Finally know what happened! I usually need to take some products picture on my little business counter and many portrait photos. This distortion is wrapping me right now. Right now I am using S7 Edge everything is normal.

Are sony developers all part time jobs?

Needoxygen said:
Are sony developers all part time jobs?
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Hi all
Does the latest firmware fix this problem?

photos - difference between s9+ and pixel 2 xl

Hi,
what are difference between quality photos samsung s9+ and pixel 2 xl , when is low light?

ds78 said:
Hi,
what are difference between quality photos samsung s9+ and pixel 2 xl , when is low light?
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Had the opportunity to play around with the s9 plus the other day and my pixel 2 xl took a better picture.

mrnovanova said:
Had the opportunity to play around with the s9 plus the other day and my pixel 2 xl took a better picture.
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That depends from what you think is low light. If there is a direct light source pointed in the phone, like some store window or similar Pixel will be better. In real low light, S9 destroy Pixel.

ds78 said:
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what are difference between quality photos samsung s9+ and pixel 2 xl , when is low light?
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In daylight, Pixel 2 XL will process the image nicer than S9+, but many times this processing makes look the pictures unreal and artificial. A lot of contrast and drama make the photos look "better" to most people.
S9+ will take more natural pics, they are not that crispy to the eye, but the colors and the scene will look more like real life.
In low light, Pixel 2 tends to be really noisy, both in photo and video, but is even more noticeable in video; Google processing tends to raise a lot the ISO, thus you have a lot of noise and artifacting.
S9+ has a better and clearer image in low light conditions hand down, and it prevail color and details better.
Depends on what kind of person you are: want natural photos?, you like to play with the pro mode?, go with the S9+; want crispy "social network ready" pics?, want just to point and shoot?, go with the Pixel 2 XL.
I prefer more natural and cleaner images, because I can put contrast and color after, but on the other hand, I can't make the noise and the graininess disappear from images in the Pixel 2 XL. Besides this, with S9+ you get a proper manual mode, which is really handy in some situations, so that's why I'm sticking with the S9+.
Is just a matter of personal taste and approach to the camera.

I've used both the Note 8 and the Pixel 2xl. I miss the camera on the note. It doesn't matter the conditions. The Pixel 2 takes grainy pics. I think the older pixel had a better camera.

pieman13 said:
I've used both the Note 8 and the Pixel 2xl. I miss the camera on the note. It doesn't matter the conditions. The Pixel 2 takes grainy pics. I think the older pixel had a better camera.
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I don't know why everyone rate the Pixel 2 XL as the best camera in low light if the pics and videos look grainy and full of noise.
Even in medium light conditions, Pixel 2 XL processing is noisy.

pieman13 said:
I've used both the Note 8 and the Pixel 2xl. I miss the camera on the note. It doesn't matter the conditions. The Pixel 2 takes grainy pics. I think the older pixel had a better camera.
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I don't get this.
I owned a note 8 briefly, and I had to return it because I thought the camera was so bad. At the time I wanted something bigger than my norm pixel 2.
I did many side by side photos, and there wasn't even one scenario where the note 8 would beat the pixel 2. Dynamic range and HDR were so on point. I'd often find my note 8 would over expose or blow anything with a backlight out, and at night time photos would be a pastel, cartoons mess.
The s9 is a better challenger because of the image stacking on the dram, so after shooting photos this weekend you can see how strong it is in HDR and dynamic range.
I'm really pleased with it.
My biggest complaint is I still think the live focus mode is as poorly executed as the note 8. In anything but remotely good lighting it looks horrendous - which baffles me consider an iPhone 8 plus can do just fine. The image is also very soft and tends to blow out the recipients face.. the good news, is providing Samsung recognises this, they can tweak it and make it really good.

sstanton86 said:
I don't get this.
I owned a note 8 briefly, and I had to return it because I thought the camera was so bad. At the time I wanted something bigger than my norm pixel 2.
I did many side by side photos, and there wasn't even one scenario where the note 8 would beat the pixel 2. Dynamic range and HDR were so on point. I'd often find my note 8 would over expose or blow anything with a backlight out, and at night time photos would be a pastel, cartoons mess.
The s9 is a better challenger because of the image stacking on the dram, so after shooting photos this weekend you can see how strong it is in HDR and dynamic range.
I'm really pleased with it.
My biggest complaint is I still think the live focus mode is as poorly executed as the note 8. In anything but remotely good lighting it looks horrendous - which baffles me consider an iPhone 8 plus can do just fine. The image is also very soft and tends to blow out the recipients face.. the good news, is providing Samsung recognises this, they can tweak it and make it really good.
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I don't get this either, you are the first person I have ever read saying that Note 8 camera is bad.
Is true that dynamic range in Pixel 2 is crazy, no discussion about that, but the HDR and sharpening make the photos look artificial and unreal in many cases. Even people sometimes look weird because of the contrast and saturation that Pixel 2 puts in the photos. This makes the pictures more appealing to the eye of course, and it can give a false impression of a "better picture", but is only when you see carefully and in detail that sometimes is too much processing.
Overall in daylight conditions, the Pixel 2 and the S9+ can take similar pictures, but is in low light when the game changes in S9+ favor.
Anyway, if you want pictures Pixel 2 style, just install the GCam or improve the picture in Google Photos, which gives a similar result.
I prefer more natural pictures even when they seem softer compared to the Pixel 2, but maybe you prefer the approach on the Pixel 2.
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pieman13 said:
I've used both the Note 8 and the Pixel 2xl. I miss the camera on the note. It doesn't matter the conditions. The Pixel 2 takes grainy pics. I think the older pixel had a better camera.
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I don't get this either, you are the first person I have ever read saying that Note 8 camera is bad.
Is true that dynamic range in Pixel 2 is crazy, no discussion about that, but the HDR and sharpening make the photos look artificial and unreal in many cases. Even people sometimes look weird because of the contrast and saturation that Pixel 2 puts in the photos. This makes the pictures more appealing to the eye of course, and it can give a false impression of a "better picture", but is only when you see carefully and in detail that sometimes is too much processing.
Overall in daylight conditions, the Pixel 2 and the S9+ can take similar pictures, but is in low light when the game changes in S9+ favor.
Anyway, if you want pictures Pixel 2 style, just install the GCam or improve the picture in Google Photos, which gives a similar result.
I prefer more natural pictures even when they seem softer compared to the Pixel 2, but maybe you prefer the approach on the Pixel 2.
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Interesting how two people can view the same thing but have two really different opinions! Haha.
I do agree somewhat in what you say about the pixel 2 over processing with the saturation and contrast on faces, they can look really odd.
I do think the overall s9+ camera when you factor everything in, is better than the pixel 2.
But going back to the note 8, which was my original point, I always found it blew out my images, over exposing them, and the HDR didn't seem particularly good either - the s9 seems to have fixed this issue.
If they fix the live focus/portrait shots, then I wouldn't really have any qualms - reason why it bothers me is on my pixel 2 I have taken the odd portrait shot which genuinely can be so good they look pro (unless you pixel peep, which I don't).
All round an excellent camera, and the s9, in my opinion, just seems so much better than my note 8

sstanton86 said:
Interesting how two people can view the same thing but have two really different opinions! Haha.
I do agree somewhat in what you say about the pixel 2 over processing with the saturation and contrast on faces, they can look really odd.
I do think the overall s9+ camera when you factor everything in, is better than the pixel 2.
But going back to the note 8, which was my original point, I always found it blew out my images, over exposing them, and the HDR didn't seem particularly good either - the s9 seems to have fixed this issue.
If they fix the live focus/portrait shots, then I wouldn't really have any qualms - reason why it bothers me is on my pixel 2 I have taken the odd portrait shot which genuinely can be so good they look pro (unless you pixel peep, which I don't).
All round an excellent camera, and the s9, in my opinion, just seems so much better than my note 8
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Also add the front facing camera which somehow produces those soft images that lack in detail as compared to the pixel 2 even in low light considering the pixel 2 camera is f2.4 while s9 is f1.7

kumar abhishek said:
Also add the front facing camera which somehow produces those soft images that lack in detail as compared to the pixel 2 even in low light considering the pixel 2 camera is f2.4 while s9 is f1.7
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Yes, front facing camera is better on the Pixel 2, no questions about it.
I just hope Samsung can fix this in future updates.

I think it's all easily fixable. Just depends whether Samsung want to!

I will be doing extensive tests from tomorrow, as I have both cameras. So far I have to say Pixel's algorithakes the photo looka bit better (sharpness, micro contrast etc), however it's a bit more noisy as well. S9 camera has a huge potential, but Google camera app is just better. And the portrait mode on pixel blows everything out of the water.

boober78 said:
I will be doing extensive tests from tomorrow, as I have both cameras. So far I have to say Pixel's algorithakes the photo looka bit better (sharpness, micro contrast etc), however it's a bit more noisy as well. S9 camera has a huge potential, but Google camera app is just better. And the portrait mode on pixel blows everything out of the water.
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What about trying Google cam in the S9?, I think it will be an interesting comparison as well.

Yes, but I'm trying to find the one that will actually work. All of them seem to either force close or have a black screen.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8VJkjOd9dKSeW03i1
Medium-low light indoor. No contest. As usual, loss of detail on Samsung flagship Phones, nothing has changed.

Allesa said:
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Medium-low light indoor. No contest. As usual, loss of detail on Samsung flagship Phones, nothing has changed.
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Honestly, I prefer the one from the Samsung, as it is sharper and more colorful.

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Honestly, I prefer the one from the Samsung, as it is sharper and more colorful.
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Are you sure? Pls look at the image info so that you know which one is which..
Look at my daughter's eyebrows.. You can clearly see the details on pixel 2 xl shot, but the detail is lost on s9+

Allesa said:
Are you sure? Pls look at the image info so that you know which one is which..
Look at my daughter's eyebrows.. You can clearly see the details on pixel 2 xl shot, but the detail is lost on s9+
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Yes, I'm sure, and i'm looking in my 50" 4K screen and of course I see every detail difference.
You are right in what you say, about the eyebrows and also I noticed in the hair, Samsung with this camera is softening the pictures a little with the processing, but still color retention and noise reduction are better in the S9, and even detail in textures and some other things:
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Is true that Samsung softens things, but Pixel in my opinion do the other way around and it applies too much oversharpening sometimes and the pic look unreal.
Anyway, is just a matter of what you prefer and what processing approach suits you.

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Yes, I'm sure, and i'm looking in my 50" 4K screen and of course I see every detail difference.
You are right in what you say, about the eyebrows and also I noticed in the hair, Samsung with this camera is softening the pictures a little with the processing, but still color retention and noise reduction are better in the S9, and even detail in textures and some other things:
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Is true that Samsung softens things, but Pixel in my opinion do the other way around and it applies too much oversharpening sometimes and the pic look unreal.
Anyway, is just a matter of what you prefer and what processing approach suits you.
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The problem is, i focused on my daughter's face not on my bedsheet..
And no, my daughter's skin tone is not that red. I'll be worried sick if my daughter's skin is that red.
I'm comparing both at my professionally calibrated monitor (i work in film industry). The skin tone on s9+ is not right.
You are right on some photos pixel processing a bit too much (hdr+), but in this particular photo, i believe that it is spot on. Will post more comparison pics mainly medium to low light photos.
On the smooth (s9+) vs grain (pixel 2 xl). As a film director, i always prefer fine grain over smooth. Fine grain retains sharpness, while noise reduction reduces it.