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For sharing: Samsung Galaxy S4 goes head to head with HTC One in camera comparison. Please don't attack me at comment below. Thanks.
For full size and source: http://gsminsider.com/2013/03/15/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-htc-one-camera-quality-comparison/

Post in info thread I told u so in a another thread you made a few minutes ago also at the very least u could have posted in the thread u made a few minutes ago
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191690
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HTC looks sharper.... do you agree?

I'd have to hand it to the HTC One on this one
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The noise reduction on the HTC One is too aggressive. Pretty noticeable in the hair and the ruffles at the bottom of the curtains. I don't have a reference to determine which has better color balance. The HTC One might seem to have sharper text, but the comparison is useless, since this could be down to digital sharpening, stillness of the device when taking the picture, focus, and the difference in viewpoint/zoom. They both blow out highlights, but the lighting over his right shoulder (left side of the pic) is different between the two shots. The One's image doesn't look as smooth as the S4's and seems a bit oversaturated, almost harsh.

HTC looks very good indeed.. if not better.. colors and contrast seems better on the HTC.
Surely they will be able to tweak this in the software but still..

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I'd have to hand it to the HTC One on this one
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It's a bit early to draw any final conclusions. All the SGS4's at the launch event are pre-production and Samsung wouldn't even tell the media whether they were Octa or S-600. The pics from China are all from dual SIM devices destined for China Mobile and who knows what state of development those phones are in. The 4MP camera in the One is going to suffer from lack of detail when content is viewed off the device. It'll do better in low light though. The SGS4's camera will do better in terms of detail and noise suppresion.
Here's what GSMArena said about the One's camera:
"Unlike most of its competitors, the HTC One bets on fewer, but bigger size pixels on its image sensor, rather than many tiny ones. In theory this should allow it to shoot photos that have less digital noise and more dynamic range. But of course, you have got to remember that when you downsize a say, 13MP photo down to 4MP it also visibly decreases the digital noise.
The first shot would be difficult even for a DSLR. In the MWC showroom are full of brightly lit company booths with patches of dim light in-between them. The Optimus G Pro [13MP] photos have a lot more noise in them, while HTC One photos have a slight grain, but not too bad considering how dark the scene was.The One developed the shadows better (look at the ceiling), though the highlights are overexposed. Still, the HTC One has an advantage in dynamic range. Obviously, we need to do more testing back in the office where we have more time and phones on hand to compare the HTC One against.
What we can say right now is that the technology shows a lot of promise - it keeps noise relatively low and the detail per pixel is pretty good. The problem is that there aren't a lot of pixels to go around, which puts a hard physical limit on the smallest detail that the HTC One camera can resolve. As we saw, this could cause problems with things like text. The dynamic range isn't much better than that of traditional cameraphones either, so the large pixels didn't help too much here. At the end of the day, it depends on what you want to do with the photos. Most high-res 27" computer monitors are at under 4MP resolution and HDTVs are at 2MP, so the resolution HTC One photos is okay. But if you want to print out photos or crop into a smaller detail, 4MP may start to feel pretty tight around the neck."​
Here's what they said about the Xpreria Z. Samsung most likely will use the same Exmor RS sensor in the SGS4 with Samsung doing better at drivers and s/w than Sony.
"The Sony Xperia Z challenges the best shooters in town and you can head over to our Photo quality comparison tool to see how it did. It did excellently on the first two charts, taking advantage of the superior resolution of its sensor to comfortably beat the 8MP sensor. Once we come to a more real-life scenario (third poster), the noise reduction takes its toll and the Xperia Z loses its advantage."​
GSMArena just posted some comparison pics between the XZ and One in better controlled conditions than a trade show floor.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-arrives-at-the-office-we-snap-some-camera-samples/

Were those balanced or all default? The one looks WAY too red. Skin tones are almost correct on the S4 but they look a little washed out.

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Were those balanced or all default? The one looks WAY too red. Skin tones are almost correct on the S4 but they look a little washed out.
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Exactly. People are going to like the punchiness of the One's images, but it's honestly oversaturated and smeared compared to the S4's cleaner and more balanced image. I don't see the One having any real advantage aside from low-light performance, and even there the aggressive noise reduction results in a disappointing image that barely bests an iPhone. When you scale down a 13MP image to 4MP, it almost completely overcomes its noise disadvantage.

GGXtreme said:
Exactly. People are going to like the punchiness of the One's images, but it's honestly oversaturated and smeared compared to the S4's cleaner and more balanced image. I don't see the One having any real advantage aside from low-light performance, and even there the aggressive noise reduction results in a disappointing image that barely bests an iPhone. When you scale down a 13MP image to 4MP, it almost completely overcomes its noise disadvantage.
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Plus I'm sure as it gets in the hand of millions especially xda devs, the cam software can get an update.

Here are the comparison pics between a One and Xperia Z. The SGS4's most likely using the same Exmor RS sensor as Samsung's used Sony camera sensors previously. Samsung does a better job with s/w and drivers so I'd expect the SGS4 to perform better than the XZ and certainly no worse. The One's are in 16:9 format.

Im all for HTC here. The red is from the room he is in and the type of lighting the HTC just picks it up better.

Wow, the color balance is different. Which one is more accurate? Can they be adjusted?

MohinderJaBardi said:
Im all for HTC here. The red is from the room he is in and the type of lighting the HTC just picks it up better.
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I think most of the One's pics are underexposed and the low light pic (third from the top) is overexposed. GSMArena will do a bunch of standardized tests comparing both phones that'll make it easier to see which performs best (4MP with bigger pixels or 13MP with finer pixels) under different conditions. Software tuning and drivers can make a huge difference so the XZ comparison is really only to demonstrate the Exmor RS sensor.

We will have to wait final versions def before judging.
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A drunk person will have steadier hand.
Why would someone reduce the sizes like that? No originals?

Well every review site saying the HTC one camera is junk, I'm going to believe them, The Verge didn't like it at all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_lr9XGOGc
Though no Xperia z there to compare to.
The One's pictures are so noisy on all sites I see apart from low light shots :\

slannmage said:
Well every review site saying the HTC one camera is junk, I'm going to believe them, The Verge didn't like it at all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_lr9XGOGc
Though no Xperia z there to compare to.
The One's pictures are so noisy on all sites I see apart from low light shots :\
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The Ultrapixel camera just a marketing strategy

BarryH_GEG said:
Here are the comparison pics between a One and Xperia Z. The SGS4's most likely using the same Exmor RS sensor as Samsung's used Sony camera sensors previously. Samsung does a better job with s/w and drivers so I'd expect the SGS4 to perform better than the XZ and certainly no worse. The One's are in 16:9 format.
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I honestly had high hopes for the One's camera after the Optimus G disappointed with its 13MP camera, but I'm just not seeing the results I hoped. There almost seems to be an advantage to the One's pics in dynamic range, but further inspection shows that overexposure and inaccurate color balance are throwing off the comparison. Even with Sony's disappointing image processing, the images are brighter without being as blown out and more detail is apparent. Downsample the image to 4MP and the Sony sensor seems to have less noise than the One's camera in many shots.

bwin999 said:
The Ultrapixel camera just a marketing strategy
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Anyone remember "ImageSense" from last year's HTC marketing materials?
Engadget - "We were able to get our own first hand look at the HTC One series at Mobile World Congress and all the coverage is linked to below. HTC was proud to announce that not only are the phones awesome, built extremely well, trimmed down and run fast with HTC Sense, but they’ve also developed a new technology called ImageSense. HTC has actually added a separate processing core for the camera alone. So a dual-core phone will actually have three cores."​
I had a Teg3 One X that I was very happy with overall but its camera was, without question, its worst feature. The noise was hard to be believed.
Here's a pic that looks fine when displayed at lower resolution (500x282)
Look at this crop at from the same pic at 3264 x 1840
That's why I want to see the results of Anandtech or GSMArena's standardized tests before getting excited about either HTC or Samsung's new camera tech.

The Galaxy S4 camera vs HTC One vs Nokia 808

I would like to make clear that the One seems fine when viewing the photos normally on your phone or on Facebook. However where it fails badly is when you want to crop or view 100%, they're just shockingly bad
(btw all crops done from original file and not the uploaded file as uploads reduce image resolution)
I've had all three, just sent the One back cause I didn't like it so I cannot take any more pictures than I have with it.
These are 100% crops so obviously stuff will be bigger and smaller depending on the native image size. They're all taken from the same distance...
808: http://s23.postimg.org/5iowazs3e/image.jpg
GS4: http://s23.postimg.org/gh05t6gor/image.jpg
One: http://s23.postimg.org/65nt0iozf/image.jpg
Now obviously the One is too small so I try to zoom in bring it to the same size and.. http://s21.postimg.org/kd8wbfc9z/Untitled.jpg
Then I have the GS4 vs the 808 only...
Both zoomed in to the same and cropped..
808: http://s24.postimg.org/6t54wjrwl/image.jpg
GS4: http://s24.postimg.org/okgrb07b9/image.jpg
Native 100% cropped:
808: http://s18.postimg.org/x2qkzh98p/Untitled2.jpg
GS4: http://s18.postimg.org/wop8zvp55/Untitled.jpg
Landscape shots:
Slightly different times of day but the same amount of sun, I had to reduce the 808 file size because it couldn't be uploaded as the image was over 20mb.
808: http://s21.postimg.org/pgnax5h47/2013_05_02_0385.jpg
GS4: http://s10.postimg.org/dz3eyyhtk/20130502_121344.jpg
One: http://s10.postimg.org/pmxgti6yg/IMAG0002.jpg
100% crop...
808: http://s9.postimg.org/rv1eo31qn/image.jpg
GS4: http://s9.postimg.org/x906vmrgu/image.jpg
One: http://s9.postimg.org/naf895i1b/image.jpg
Trying to bring the Ones image size to the others because the low MP count makes small images.. http://s9.postimg.org/q7299fnv3/image.jpg
Now these ones were all done on different days so they're not direct but really more about the detail. The 808 had quite a bit of direct sunlight ruining the image and as every it's reduced in size so I can upload. I haven't been up the fields yet with the GS4 so I will post one later...
808: http://s22.postimg.org/lnkyf2r5c/2013_04_21_0221.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/eln0svnjk/IMAG0010.jpg
100% crops
808: http://s18.postimg.org/8wbstzeo9/image.jpg
One: http://s23.postimg.org/kg0l3mfwb/image.jpg
Low Light:
Now I've looked at the HTC One and how it handles low light and really all I can work out is it uses OIS to increase the ISO without getting blur. When I lock the ISO instead of putting it on auto I get these results...
ISO 200:
GS4: http://s22.postimg.org/iwkiqt33k/20130502_121723.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/73mpml6nk/IMAG0012.jpg
808: http://s14.postimg.org/65j9m8fk1/2013_05_02_0391.jpg
ISO 400:
GS4:http://s11.postimg.org/zcww14o7m/20130502_121732.jpg
One: http://s11.postimg.org/ib41z19ci/IMAG0013.jpg
Auto ISO:
GS4: http://s9.postimg.org/5jzriw0b2/20130502_121511.jpg
One: http://s9.postimg.org/fss8opocu/IMAG0019.jpg
My One has a pink spot in the middle, the GS4 can get even brighter with night mode on which Im guess allows the ISO to go above 800 because this is what I get with Night mode on the GS4 and ISO set to 1600 on the HTC One.
GS4: http://s22.postimg.org/ma6jir0ts/20130502_121604.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/u475458mo/IMAG0015.jpg
Both of them with ISO set to their lowest:
GS4: http://s24.postimg.org/so4v10wzo/20130502_121530.jpg
One: http://s22.postimg.org/4hpkom8z5/IMAG0010.jpg
Interestingly enough the 808 thrashed both of them, though they all struggle to find a focus when taking a pic from the dark, which the 808 couldn't as I have focus lamp assist off on the 808 which it really needs.
Now this comparison isn't perfect but from my use of all three phones it obviously goes...
1. 808
2. GS4
Way wayyyyyyy behind
3. HTC One.
I want to add, the room is not that dark, it's daylight but that is the only place I can find it to where it's dusk like conditions. I don't understand why the GS4 and HTC One struggle so much without turning ISO to max, my guess is sensor size is way more important than pixel size, I dunno. The HTC One just seems to rely on OIS and ISO really, I see no proof of this ultra pixel thing, the 808 thrashes them both though. I don't understand what other reviews are doing, I'm guessing they're leaving ISO set automatic and not playing with the options? Either way the HTC One takes such poor shots that you don't want to use any of them, they look fine in normal size, however as soon as you 100% them on your desktop monitor, they're poor!
The biggest downfall though of the 808 is you cannot upload the images anywhere, you can see in the crops how big the original image must be. I'm doing this on a 1080p monitor and the 808s crops take up the whole screen and I often cannot crop the whole thing I want to when it's 100% lol.

According to your sample pics...only 808 has real color and detailed pic....even s4's pics seem very yellowish....
One also has god color but not properly focused
Frankly speaking only winner is Nokia 808
Both s4 and one are losers here
Unfortunately; i didnt expect this from s4

They're all good cameras when you view them like this, however when you want to view them in their 100% form, the 808 wins by miles and the HTC One should never have bothered to enter the race.
ipsuvedi said:
According to your sample pics...only 808 has real color and detailed pic....even s4's pics seem very yellowish....
One also has god color but not properly focused
Frankly speaking only winner is Nokia 808
Both s4 and one are losers here
Unfortunately; i didnt expect this from s4
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The GS4 FoV is too narrow and it's too oversaturated, which may be a firmware thing. See shots taken with the GS4:
http://s21.postimg.org/vegwixasn/20130502_121358.jpg
http://s17.postimg.org/97h9j8hv3/20130502_153230.jpg
However the FoV is so narrow compared to the others. With the same shot at the same distance I can get this on the 808, you may think the GS4 has more detail for the same distance, however if I zoomed in on a shot with the 808 I'd keep so much more detail that it doesn't matter. So really if I want to have an image be closer, I can zoom in on a shot taken further away or I can go close before I take the shot. With the GS4 you only get one option, keep backing away because the FoV always makes you look closer than you really are.
http://s14.postimg.org/wtaq1qrwh/2013_03_19_0012.jpg
Now the One has a much wider lens than the GS4, however as soon as you zoom in to get a view in the detail, you just see pixels everywhere, so you have to get so much closer with the one to get detail out of things...
http://s7.postimg.org/rcn59193v/IMAG0010.jpg

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Thx. The 808 is still the king, but the GS4 comes quite close during the daylight. Are you using the SnapDragon version of the GS4 BTW? It is worth checking Mobiele-Review's big showdown with the Exynos 5 variant, which I suspect to have a different sensor to the Snapdragon half-brother.
http://translate.google.com/transla.../mobile-review.com/review/phototest2013.shtml

The one´s camera is 4MP. Landscape photos arent the strength of the camera (but also not a real weakness if you dont zoom). It has other advantages:
-OIS
-extremly fast shutter speed, so you can take pictures of moving persons/animals/cars without blur
-very good low light capabilities (and no, the hdr night mode of the s4 is not comparable, its just good for stills)
-Wide FOV
-very good macro pictures
-very good hdr pictures

It is pretty obvious and well known that if you want to crop/zoom in on photos, then the one is not the camera phone for you, it simply doesn't have enough megapixels.
Viewing the one photos on my calibrated dell U2331H monitor look very good (when not zooming in), especially macro shots (macro shots look better than what my one S produces and it is has a superb camera), now if I had a very high res. panel then my opinion would be different.
Getting tired of people saying this xxxxx phone is better than this xxxx phone, this xxxx phone sucks zOMG!!! As if to say that only one-two area matters, there is more to a camera/photo quality than just the ability to zoom and good or/and low light conditions....
This is how I look at it:
Main advantages of the GS 4 camera over the one are;
- if you crop/zoom in on images, have a very high res. display and/or print photos on large paper, this is where more MP really shines!
- Bright landscape conditions
- panorama shots
- features/options overall
Main advantages of the one camera over the GS 4 are:
- very fast shutter and combined with OIS, you get more consistent/usable photos, more so in lower light conditions and/or with movement shots
- indoor conditions, low light/dark conditions
- much larger FOV
- audio recording (really amazing in loud environments) and video recording overall (GS 4 looks excellent for 1080P recording but the OIS, FOV [which is further reduced on the GS 4 when you enable image stabilisation] etc. give the one the edge by quite a bit imo)
The GS 4 can perform superbly in low light/night conditions with "night" mode but it comes at a cost, slower shutter thus only useful with non moving objects and you need to have a steady hand.
Regarding the features/options, both seem to be more or less the same, GS 4 has the edge with a few more things to choose from. Most of the one's features are tied to the zoe feature and gallery i.e. sequence/drama shot, always smiling, eraser/removing objects etc. where as the features on the GS 4 are selectable through the camera app.
Macro shots look superb on both, need to see more from the GS 4 end users, but so far I think the one is better in this area, the photos are just very detailed and have a "natural" look to them.
Up to the end user this part, but photo size is quite different due to the difference in MP, talking about 1.5MP on average for the one VS 6.5MB for a photo from the GS 4, personally for me, smaller photo size is a nice wee bonus.
Haven't seen many HDR shots from either phone except for some of the review sites, but both look very good in their own ways.
And I haven't even covered the actual "quality" of the image i.e. in terms of colours etc. From what we have seen so far, I would have to say that the one looks more natural and the GS 4 saturates the photos a wee bit [which I quite like depending on the scenario] (saying that, this is easily solved by adjusting the contrast or saturation in the one camera app, can't remember if you can do this with the GS 4 camera app???), however, in some shots i.e. white/grey buildings, the one looks too yellow, the one had a problem with exposure i.e. white clouds, very bright conditions etc. but this has been fixed/improved with 1.29.
Both phones will improve with updates, especially the HTC one since the camera tec. is fairly new for a phone camera especially to HTC (only two phones have OIS, the other one being the lumia 920)
Comes down to what the end user wants.

I don't know but smth seems wrong with your gs4. It's too yellow ish.

Always interested to see people consistently list wider FOV in the One as an advantage. Really its just different, whether an advantage or not depends on the types of subjects and scenes you typically find yourself snapping. For many people a more narrow FOV would actually be an asset, tending to be better for close in stuff and portraiture type stuff (if there was enough detail to allow cropping down to a more narrow FOV after the fact then I do think the wide FOV would be a straight-up advantage, but there isn't and it isn't). If any thing I think the wide FOV in the One is relatively mismatched to its strengths.

True, it does come down to what type of scenario you are shooting, the way I personally look at it, is that its better to have it than not to, there are quite a few shots that I wouldn't have got as well with the FOV of the GS 4 i.e. when in Rome last year, I wouldn't have been able to fit any where as much of the ruins and other landmarks in with the GS 4 camera (was on a bus tour so couldn't "step back") likewise with group shots and certain other scenarios.
You can always crop the image too but of course as you touched upon there, with the low MP count on the one, it isn't best advised. Personally I don't think I have ever cropped any of my photos.
The main area where a large FOV really shines imo, is video recording, especially since the GS 4 FOV is further reduced when you turn image stabilisation on.

Terminator19 said:
True, it does come down to what type of scenario you are shooting, the way I personally look at it, is that its better to have it than not to, there are quite a few shots that I wouldn't have got as well with the FOV of the GS 4 i.e. when in Rome last year, I wouldn't have been able to fit any where as much of the ruins and other landmarks in with the GS 4 camera (was on a bus tour so couldn't "step back") likewise with group shots and other scenarios.
You can always crop the image too but of course as you touched upon there, with the low MP count on the one, it isn't best advised. Personally I don't think I have cropped any of my photos.
The main area where a large FOV really shines is video recording though, especially since the GS 4 FOV is further reduced when you turn image stabilisation on.
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Yeah, I was only really referring to the stills camera.
In the scenarios you mention like sightseeing type scenarios I would probably happily take the improved detail in the S4 over the wider FOV of the One, there is an element of personal preference there of course.

S4 video recording stabilization
Galaxy S4 video recording stabilization gets tested in offroad conditions
http://www.itcnews24.com/galaxy-s4-video-recording-stabilization-gets-tested-in-offroad-conditions-itcnews24-11516.html

http://blog.gsmarena.com/video-stab...galaxy-s4-improves-over-s-iii-but-not-enough/

I have booth S4 and a One. I tend to use the one because I have kids, kids move around , waves arms and just can't stand still. I still haven't shoot one single shoot with the S4 with the kids unblurred.
The S4 waits for AOSP/CM (can't stand TW) connected to the tv set and the One is in my pocket . Both are great phones but the one do what I need to do best, listening to music and snapping pics of my kids. And yes, 4 mp is little to small, if I could carry both it had been perfect
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Here is a little help, if you can't decide whether to take the one or s4. At the end of the video there is also a comparison of the both cameras :

I have the one and s4 snapdragon version. The galaxy 4 is much better
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Partly cloudy, outdoor under a sun shelter
S4 is notably sharper and brighter. I pressed to focus on the middle sand for each phone.
S4
HTC One
Indoors with low-average light.
S4 is sharper but took longer with the shutter. But the clicks after were quick.
S4
HTC One
Indoors with a window closeby.
S4 is sharper but shutter was about 25% slower to 'click'
S4
HTC One
Indoors with the previous photo window farther away.
Light is average.
S4 is sharper but shutter 25% slower to 'click' S4 colour is more accurate.
S4
HTC One
Basement with low light
Again S4 shutter slower but sharper photo.
S4
HTC One
Here are some crappy moving shot tests... lol.
I kicked a ball and took a pic.
S4
HTC One
This one shows the HTC One being slow to focus and take the shot.
I pressed the shutter button at the same time but the htc one had trouble taking the shot.
S4
HTC one
Outdoor moving shot. Kicked a ball, took a pic.
Here the HTC one was faster with the shutter. I actually took two while the S4 only got 1 off.
S4
HTC One

We can not speak about Nokia 808 vs S4.....
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BoneXDA said:
Thx. The 808 is still the king, but the GS4 comes quite close during the daylight. Are you using the SnapDragon version of the GS4 BTW? It is worth checking Mobiele-Review's big showdown with the Exynos 5 variant, which I suspect to have a different sensor to the Snapdragon half-brother.
http://translate.google.com/transla.../mobile-review.com/review/phototest2013.shtml
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Thanks giving me back to this link, it is interesting because it is one of the best comparison done already (dpreview did also a good one)
Just a point to clarify, this review is done with I9500 not I 9505, that give much better camera results as they are different hardware.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2327355

Photo quality comparision by GSMArena:
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HTC One is a loser in Camera.
Secondly, Someone will always go for a DSLR if he/she just wants a camera. Buying 808 for camera is like hiring Sunny Leone for just her Acting skills.

Reasons to prefer this phone (new byer perspective). 1 . Camera.

New thread series - reasons to buy this phone from a new user, who is myself.
My Android phone history - HTC EVO, HTC EVO 3D, Sprint Epic 4G Touch, HTC Evo LTE, Galaxy S3, Galaxy S4.
---Camera---
I always have to take 3-5 consecutive shots to get a sharp picture. I think it's because my hands shake, and there's not much I can do about it - it's enough to make even the best-focused shot blurry. This has always been the case with me and smartphone cameras - hold as still as you can, take 3+ shots, and hope you got a good one.
Not so - enter the HTC One m8 camera.
I took many test shots in a Verizon store, and each shot was nearly perfectly focused, after a single try.
I also took many test shots with an S5 in a US Cellular store, and *none* of the shots were focused.
So 16 megapixels were ruined by bad focusing, while 4 megapixels were great on this phone.
I may be somewhat biased because I'm now an owner of the 4MP HTC One m8, but even S5's 16MP camera couldn't hold a candle to the 4MP in my hands.
Please discuss.

Try zooming in..
That's where the camera falls short. (only downfall I see)
I still love it though.

Ya, but that front facing camera though. Snapchat is ****ing dope though

DjCalvin said:
Try zooming in..
That's where the camera falls short. (only downfall I see)
I still love it though.
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Well, you are right in the general sense. 16MP(S5) looks MUCH better than 4MP (factor of 2 in sharpness - 2x2 vs. 4x4) under ideal circumstances. But that isn't the only variable.
But my point was like this - even if I zoom in, blurry cannot be fixed, because of bad focusing on Samsung phones. Blurring made my 13MP shots (S4) look like 1MP at best!
I was actually amazed at how well the HTC camera can help me focus shots - basically, all I had to do was press the button.
Also, the "best shot" is automatic with this camera, whereas on S4, you had to choose the best shot yourself (which makes zero sense.)
While the possibility is there to have better shots with Samsung phones, for me personally, not having to think about the quality and still get good shots is much more important.

I got my wife the S5 for "free" when I bought my m8.
While the camera on the S5 can be good with 16MP, it also makes you hold the damn phone for like 5 seconds to take the picture. Its so annoying. If you were trying to hurry and take a quick snap of something, you wouldn't stand a chance. You hit the shutter button and it seriously says something like "hold steady..." I can't remember exactly, but it take forever to snap the picture.
My m8 on the other hand, is damn instant. Sometimes I feel like I didn't even touch the shutter button yet lol.
People always get locked on the Mega Pixels. Mega Pixels does not mean better camera/pictures. I am a photographer by hobby, and any real photographer will also tell you this. Yes its true, the more mega pixels, the clearer the image usually is when you zoom in to details. (at least on a phone that is) on a real camera, a quality lens can also make or break.
My point here is, I have a 12MP Cannon DSLR that is quite a few years old now. But I have a lot of equipment (lenses, filters, etc), and even though its only 12MP it will still make any phone camera, and also most any point-and-shoot digital camera look bad. Case-in-point = Mega Pixels doesn't mean better pictures. It means bigger pictures and larger possible print sizes. Phone manufactures know that most people think "more MP=better", and they use that to market their device to attempt to sell more (Hence all the 16MP, 20mp and even 40mp phone cameras. They know people will literally say "ohhhh more mega pixels, that will take amazing photos". Lets face it, 99% of the users are NOT going to be making large 30" photo prints with their phone pictures. So IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I love this camera.
I just came from a 13 megapixel G2. It WISHES it could hold a candle to this camera. Seriously.
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I agree. I will take this 4mp over my old s4's 12 any day.
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Is the camera on the S7 > S5 ?

I am debating whether to upgrade from S5 to the S7. My main reason is that I want to have the best camera in an Android phone. I was searching a lot for camera comparison between the two but I cannot find any reviews. What do you guys think? Is the S7 camera better than S5? Can someone point me to a shootout between the two or side by side picture comparison?

I have folder on computer with pictures, and they are all aranged by mobile phone model ( sgs4,sgs5,lg g3, lgg4, etc etc... ) so i jumped there and took a look at them and one thing is for sure they both got great cameras, but if you're asking is it worth that extra cca 300$ I think not. My connection is very slow to do the comparision photos upload

The S7 is better than the S5 in EVERY aspect lol
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The S7 is better than the S5 in EVERY aspect lol
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I know that. This does not help. I will only upgrade to the S7 if and only if the camera is better. I read in some thread that S7 pictures have less detail than S6, etc. So this means even though the low light performance is better, if daylight pictures lack detail then it is a no go. I can potentially hold off until S8 comes out then.

I've just upgraded from the S5 > S7 so image quality is still fresh in my mind from the S5
IMO the S7 does take better photos, but not such a leap you can really tell, the S5 took stunning photos, really good camera and it took me a while, and a few different scenarios to see the S7 outperform it in terms of photo quality
Close-ups, the S7 is ahead quite noticeably, but for landscape shots, it's a close call
One thing I miss from the S5 is the 16:9 for max photo resolution, with the S7 it is back down to 4:3 for some reason, and for certain shots I've taken, you can see the 4MP loss hit
I took the S7 out to the beach, lots of light, and it took great shots, better than the S5, but I also took shots around the house, out the back etc, and the S5 took better shots
Would I say the S7 camera was a big upgrade from the S5 camera?
No
Would I say the phone itself is a big upgrade from the S5?
Yes
In certain scenarios, the S7 takes the better photo, in others the S5 does
HDR works a lot better on the S7 though, a lot clearer and detailed than the S5 for the same shot, but in terms of quality, they beat and lose to each other in different ways
If you were thinking of upgrading purely on the camera quality, I'd go to a store and take a few snaps with a demo model to see, although you really need to put the photos on a PC to see, phone screens are too small, and the S7 has a higher rez screen than the S5, so not really a fair way to compare photos
Do I regret moving to the S7 due to the camera quality vs the S5?
No
Camera quality is great, but it's not a massive upgrade like I was expecting especially considering it is two models above the S5, and after all the hype about it's camera kicking about online

Besides the actual size(resolution) the S7s sensor is far better.. It doesn't over expose as much as the S5, great deep darks and highlights that pop, no crappy post processing either the S5 always over sharpened everything and it's blues were a little to warm. The S7s dual pixel technology makes pro level focusing easy for anyone. The real gem here is the S7s pro mode.. Once you learn how to use it right you can get as close to a high end DSLR as you ever have been able to on a phone. As a photographer I can say IMHO this is the best camera in a phone period. Just goes to show size doesnt matter guys!

Detection and BruteSource,
Thank you both for the detailed explanation. This is exactly what I am looking for as feedback. I do not like the 4:3 resolution on the S7 indeed. I think I will still shoot in 16:9 which means at the lower megapixel setting of 9.1 M. In this case, I am pretty sure, the S7 would take a 4:3 at higher megapixel and then crop it to 16:9 -- 9.1M (4032*2268, 16:9). This may potentially degrade the quality as well.
If I can sum up what you are saying, it would be that S7 vs S5 image quality would depend on the scenery and one may be better than the other in Auto mode. HDR on S7 is better as it does not overexpose as much. The biggest difference in favor of the S7 is the Pro Mode and the fact that it can shoot RAW. Added benefit is the low-light performance.
So, if I were to upgrade to the S7 (camera) my justification would be:
1. Pro mode (unless there is a preset saving, proly wont use),
2. RAW (may use only on vacations)
3. low light - always useful

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Detection and BruteSource,
Thank you both for the detailed explanation. This is exactly what I am looking for as feedback. I do not like the 4:3 resolution on the S7 indeed. I think I will still shoot in 16:9 which means at the lower megapixel setting of 9.1 M. In this case, I am pretty sure, the S7 would take a 4:3 at higher megapixel and then crop it to 16:9 -- 9.1M (4032*2268, 16:9). This may potentially degrade the quality as well.
If I can sum up what you are saying, it would be that S7 vs S5 image quality would depend on the scenery and one may be better than the other in Auto mode. HDR on S7 is better as it does not overexpose as much. The biggest difference in favor of the S7 is the Pro Mode and the fact that it can shoot RAW. Added benefit is the low-light performance.
So, if I were to upgrade to the S7 (camera) my justification would be:
1. Pro mode (unless there is a preset saving, proly wont use),
2. RAW (may use only on vacations)
3. low light - always useful
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1. Pro mode (unless there is a preset saving, proly wont use),
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4. Better photos under certain circumstances, such as bright sunny day, large bright objects such as the beach
5. Better Closeup photos
6. Way faster focussing and camera opening times
It's a great camera don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with it, but it's not the huge jump I was expecting
You wouldn't be disappointed, but it didn't make me look at the S5 photos and laugh as I was led to believe before I bought it
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This is very helpful! Thank you, Detection. I think should go for it

:good: Enjoy

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IMO the S7 does take better photos, but not such a leap you can really tell, the S5 took stunning photos, really good camera and it took me a while, and a few different scenarios to see the S7 outperform it in terms of photo quality
Would I say the S7 camera was a big upgrade from the S5 camera?
No
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I beg to differ. The difference is noticeable in both quality and camera performance (lag, low light, focusing, etc.). I am one of those who want quality photos and not just any photos, and for that reason, I used to drag around either Sony RX100 IV in my pocket when going out in the evening, or a tiny shoulder bag with an M43 system in it when going around town (and an EOS system for more serious landscape or nature when I don't mind the weight). In my most recent vacation to the US Virgin Islands, I brought a Panasonic GM-5 with expensive lenses, butI ended up leaving them at the house cause I was confident that I could live with the compromise with the S7. Would I have done that with the S5? No.

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I beg to differ. The difference is noticeable in both quality and camera performance (lag, low light, focusing, etc.). I am one of those who want quality photos and not just any photos, and for that reason, I used to drag around either Sony RX100 IV in my pocket when going out in the evening, or a tiny shoulder bag with an M43 system in it when going around town (and an EOS system for more serious landscape or nature when I don't mind the weight). In my most recent vacation to the US Virgin Islands, I brought a Panasonic GM-5 with expensive lenses, butI ended up leaving them at the house cause I was confident that I could live with the compromise with the S7. Would I have done that with the S5? No.
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Interesting to hear that. Were you also using the Pro mode or stick with Auto and HDR on pretty much all the time (that's what I use now on the S5).

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I beg to differ. The difference is noticeable in both quality and camera performance (lag, low light, focusing, etc.). I am one of those who want quality photos and not just any photos, and for that reason, I used to drag around either Sony RX100 IV in my pocket when going out in the evening, or a tiny shoulder bag with an M43 system in it when going around town (and an EOS system for more serious landscape or nature when I don't mind the weight). In my most recent vacation to the US Virgin Islands, I brought a Panasonic GM-5 with expensive lenses, butI ended up leaving them at the house cause I was confident that I could live with the compromise with the S7. Would I have done that with the S5? No.
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Well we'll have to agree to disagree, but from the last few days of talking about camera comparisons, it seems the S7 and the S5 have different model sensors depending on which model you get, so it's highly possible the disagreements about S5>S7 camera quality are down to that
The S5 I had (G900F International) took absolutely amazing photos, yes I can see improvements with the S7, but also I see drops in quality for some things too
For example, I have a few plants, flowers etc growing out the back, I compared a photo taken with the S5 to one I took with the S7, S5 the heads of a certain plant are crisp and clear and sharp, with the S7 they are soft and blurred almost, no detail at all
But then taking the S7 out to the beach resulted in better quality photos than the S5
For people to have such a huge difference in opinion, there has to be different hardware / processing in different S5 models, otherwise we'd all be on the same page
I too look for camera quality when I get a phone, I took a ridiculous amount of photos with the S5, I know that camera like the back of my hand, and comparing it to my S7, there's really not such a difference
S5
S7
S5 is clearly sharper and more detailed

Detection, thank you for the samples! Would not this be a mute point if you are shooting RAW? In fact, has anyone tried the RAW ... I assume it is good

I kept Galaxy S5 as second phone but was in search of best latest camera. I got LG G5 and then sold it because camera was not great. Got Nexus 5X and camera was best but battery life was poor so sold nexus 5X and got Galaxy S7 yesterday . I assume S7 camera is not much improved as compare to s5 when we look at price which is 3 times more. It give you just quick focus. I am also getting 4 to 5 hour screen on time on S7 same as S5
If intensive gaming and design is not important than s5 is still great phone ..display, camera, removable battery, bigger screen but light weight, waterproof, external storage etc all option are there..
Here is my comparison of s5 and nexus 5X
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/excellent-camera-t3230797/page48
Comparison of Photo samples of S5 and S7 in full resolution auto mode with HDR on. First photo is taken by s5 while second photo of same scene is taken by S7

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Detection, thank you for the samples! Would not this be a mute point if you are shooting RAW? In fact, has anyone tried the RAW ... I assume it is good
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I've just spent the day playing with RAW, and I have to say, I am blown away, now the camera shines and blows the S5 clean out of the water, no comparison at all, S7 is worlds ahead when you shoot in RAW
This is the quality photo I was expecting from the S7, and I think it's clear this is the mode the used to shoot the sample photos we all saw advertising the S7s camera before launch
Each photo is around 24MB when shot in RAW, vs around 4-6MB in JPEG
I still need to master lightroom, but it takes a RAW and JPEG simutaneously, and when comparing the two identical photos on a PC the JPEGs look terrible compared
I know which mode I`ll be shooting with from now on, only bummer is, it seems to force save location to the device instead of the MicroSD
This was shot standing right at the back of the yard below
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Would just like to add my opinion: that faster camera makes a huge difference. S5 camera takes 2 seconds to launch, another second to capture, and 2 more seconds to open the Gallery for some reason. On the S7 I'm limited by how fast my fingers are. Camera quality is about the same in bright daylight (sources mentioned Note 5 outdoes it in terms of detail captured, but those differences are miniscule and you are HIGHLY unlikely to notice unless they're side by side and zoomed in real close). Autofocus speed is also in a class of its own: it's not just miles ahead of the S5, it's miles ahead of any other phone or even camera I can think of. As far as I'm concerned, this is the fastest autofocus of any kind on the planet.

Rajaasim1980 said:
I kept Galaxy S5 as second phone but was in search of best latest camera. I got LG G5 and then sold it because camera was not great. Got Nexus 5X and camera was best but battery life was poor so sold nexus 5X and got Galaxy S7 yesterday . I assume S7 camera is not much improved as compare to s5 when we look at price which is 3 times more. It give you just quick focus. I am also getting 4 to 5 hour screen on time on S7 same as S5
If intensive gaming and design is not important than s5 is still great phone ..display, camera, removable battery, bigger screen but light weight, waterproof, external storage etc all option are there..
Here is my comparison of s5 and nexus 5X
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/excellent-camera-t3230797/page48
Comparison of Photo samples of S5 and S7 in full resolution auto mode with HDR on. First photo is taken by s5 while second photo of same scene is taken by S7
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Rajaasim, thanks for sharing. In my opinion, S5 is better than 5X easily.
As for your S5 vs S7 I cannot tell which is better; maybe a slight edge for the S7 for a brighter (better exposure). Now what is very different is the white balance. Clearly S5 looks cooler (bluish) and the S7 is much warmer (yellow/pink). This is especially noticeable in you first picture. I am not sure which is closer to the correct white balance. Anyone knowledgeable can give their opinion on that?

*Detection* said:
I've just spent the day playing with RAW, and I have to say, I am blown away, now the camera shines and blows the S5 clean out of the water, no comparison at all, S7 is worlds ahead when you shoot in RAW
This is the quality photo I was expecting from the S7, and I think it's clear this is the mode the used to shoot the sample photos we all saw advertising the S7s camera before launch
Each photo is around 24MB when shot in RAW, vs around 4-6MB in JPEG
I still need to master lightroom, but it takes a RAW and JPEG simutaneously, and when comparing the two identical photos on a PC the JPEGs look terrible compared
I know which mode I`ll be shooting with from now on, only bummer is, it seems to force save location to the device instead of the MicroSD
This was shot standing right at the back of the yard below
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Wow, thank you so much for these! It is very clear that RAW beats the hell out of the jpeg shot - you can see it in the clouds, in the reflection in the window, in the bricks. You know also that there is Lightroom for mobile right - which is free. You can do some quick edits very easily.
So the way I see it on vacation and special trips one could use the RAW mode and for the rest of the time you can use JPEG. I would personally use the 9.1 M (16:9) reso.

azsamsancho said:
Wow, thank you so much for these! It is very clear that RAW beats the hell out of the jpeg shot - you can see it in the clouds, in the reflection in the window, in the bricks. You know also that there is Lightroom for mobile right - which is free. You can do some quick edits very easily.
So the way I see it on vacation and special trips one could use the RAW mode and for the rest of the time you can use JPEG. I would personally use the 9.1 M (16:9) reso.
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Yea thanks, I have lightroom and photoshop express installed on the phone, but it's much nicer and easier to use the PC version for big photos and getting the levels just right
That photo was taken from a good 20m away on the ground too, and the detail is great
You can see the JPEGs starting to blend and blur the texture, but the RAW stays sharp, zooming right in with RAW just results in pixelization not blur like JPEG
And yea definitely RAW is highly recommended for special shots like a vacation, JPEG for point and shoot quick snaps are fine, but for amazing shots, RAW all the way
And another thing, with RAW there is no need for HDR, even low light shots come out nice and bright, while the JPEG clone that it takes with RAW come out dark
EDIT - I'm not the worlds best with PS or LR, but you can see all the information is still in the RAW photo, you just need to know how to bring it out

photos - difference between s9+ and pixel 2 xl

Hi,
what are difference between quality photos samsung s9+ and pixel 2 xl , when is low light?

ds78 said:
Hi,
what are difference between quality photos samsung s9+ and pixel 2 xl , when is low light?
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Had the opportunity to play around with the s9 plus the other day and my pixel 2 xl took a better picture.

mrnovanova said:
Had the opportunity to play around with the s9 plus the other day and my pixel 2 xl took a better picture.
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That depends from what you think is low light. If there is a direct light source pointed in the phone, like some store window or similar Pixel will be better. In real low light, S9 destroy Pixel.

ds78 said:
Hi,
what are difference between quality photos samsung s9+ and pixel 2 xl , when is low light?
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In daylight, Pixel 2 XL will process the image nicer than S9+, but many times this processing makes look the pictures unreal and artificial. A lot of contrast and drama make the photos look "better" to most people.
S9+ will take more natural pics, they are not that crispy to the eye, but the colors and the scene will look more like real life.
In low light, Pixel 2 tends to be really noisy, both in photo and video, but is even more noticeable in video; Google processing tends to raise a lot the ISO, thus you have a lot of noise and artifacting.
S9+ has a better and clearer image in low light conditions hand down, and it prevail color and details better.
Depends on what kind of person you are: want natural photos?, you like to play with the pro mode?, go with the S9+; want crispy "social network ready" pics?, want just to point and shoot?, go with the Pixel 2 XL.
I prefer more natural and cleaner images, because I can put contrast and color after, but on the other hand, I can't make the noise and the graininess disappear from images in the Pixel 2 XL. Besides this, with S9+ you get a proper manual mode, which is really handy in some situations, so that's why I'm sticking with the S9+.
Is just a matter of personal taste and approach to the camera.

I've used both the Note 8 and the Pixel 2xl. I miss the camera on the note. It doesn't matter the conditions. The Pixel 2 takes grainy pics. I think the older pixel had a better camera.

pieman13 said:
I've used both the Note 8 and the Pixel 2xl. I miss the camera on the note. It doesn't matter the conditions. The Pixel 2 takes grainy pics. I think the older pixel had a better camera.
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I don't know why everyone rate the Pixel 2 XL as the best camera in low light if the pics and videos look grainy and full of noise.
Even in medium light conditions, Pixel 2 XL processing is noisy.

pieman13 said:
I've used both the Note 8 and the Pixel 2xl. I miss the camera on the note. It doesn't matter the conditions. The Pixel 2 takes grainy pics. I think the older pixel had a better camera.
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I don't get this.
I owned a note 8 briefly, and I had to return it because I thought the camera was so bad. At the time I wanted something bigger than my norm pixel 2.
I did many side by side photos, and there wasn't even one scenario where the note 8 would beat the pixel 2. Dynamic range and HDR were so on point. I'd often find my note 8 would over expose or blow anything with a backlight out, and at night time photos would be a pastel, cartoons mess.
The s9 is a better challenger because of the image stacking on the dram, so after shooting photos this weekend you can see how strong it is in HDR and dynamic range.
I'm really pleased with it.
My biggest complaint is I still think the live focus mode is as poorly executed as the note 8. In anything but remotely good lighting it looks horrendous - which baffles me consider an iPhone 8 plus can do just fine. The image is also very soft and tends to blow out the recipients face.. the good news, is providing Samsung recognises this, they can tweak it and make it really good.

sstanton86 said:
I don't get this.
I owned a note 8 briefly, and I had to return it because I thought the camera was so bad. At the time I wanted something bigger than my norm pixel 2.
I did many side by side photos, and there wasn't even one scenario where the note 8 would beat the pixel 2. Dynamic range and HDR were so on point. I'd often find my note 8 would over expose or blow anything with a backlight out, and at night time photos would be a pastel, cartoons mess.
The s9 is a better challenger because of the image stacking on the dram, so after shooting photos this weekend you can see how strong it is in HDR and dynamic range.
I'm really pleased with it.
My biggest complaint is I still think the live focus mode is as poorly executed as the note 8. In anything but remotely good lighting it looks horrendous - which baffles me consider an iPhone 8 plus can do just fine. The image is also very soft and tends to blow out the recipients face.. the good news, is providing Samsung recognises this, they can tweak it and make it really good.
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I don't get this either, you are the first person I have ever read saying that Note 8 camera is bad.
Is true that dynamic range in Pixel 2 is crazy, no discussion about that, but the HDR and sharpening make the photos look artificial and unreal in many cases. Even people sometimes look weird because of the contrast and saturation that Pixel 2 puts in the photos. This makes the pictures more appealing to the eye of course, and it can give a false impression of a "better picture", but is only when you see carefully and in detail that sometimes is too much processing.
Overall in daylight conditions, the Pixel 2 and the S9+ can take similar pictures, but is in low light when the game changes in S9+ favor.
Anyway, if you want pictures Pixel 2 style, just install the GCam or improve the picture in Google Photos, which gives a similar result.
I prefer more natural pictures even when they seem softer compared to the Pixel 2, but maybe you prefer the approach on the Pixel 2.
:fingers-crossed:

pieman13 said:
I've used both the Note 8 and the Pixel 2xl. I miss the camera on the note. It doesn't matter the conditions. The Pixel 2 takes grainy pics. I think the older pixel had a better camera.
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Galaxo60 said:
I don't get this either, you are the first person I have ever read saying that Note 8 camera is bad.
Is true that dynamic range in Pixel 2 is crazy, no discussion about that, but the HDR and sharpening make the photos look artificial and unreal in many cases. Even people sometimes look weird because of the contrast and saturation that Pixel 2 puts in the photos. This makes the pictures more appealing to the eye of course, and it can give a false impression of a "better picture", but is only when you see carefully and in detail that sometimes is too much processing.
Overall in daylight conditions, the Pixel 2 and the S9+ can take similar pictures, but is in low light when the game changes in S9+ favor.
Anyway, if you want pictures Pixel 2 style, just install the GCam or improve the picture in Google Photos, which gives a similar result.
I prefer more natural pictures even when they seem softer compared to the Pixel 2, but maybe you prefer the approach on the Pixel 2.
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Interesting how two people can view the same thing but have two really different opinions! Haha.
I do agree somewhat in what you say about the pixel 2 over processing with the saturation and contrast on faces, they can look really odd.
I do think the overall s9+ camera when you factor everything in, is better than the pixel 2.
But going back to the note 8, which was my original point, I always found it blew out my images, over exposing them, and the HDR didn't seem particularly good either - the s9 seems to have fixed this issue.
If they fix the live focus/portrait shots, then I wouldn't really have any qualms - reason why it bothers me is on my pixel 2 I have taken the odd portrait shot which genuinely can be so good they look pro (unless you pixel peep, which I don't).
All round an excellent camera, and the s9, in my opinion, just seems so much better than my note 8

sstanton86 said:
Interesting how two people can view the same thing but have two really different opinions! Haha.
I do agree somewhat in what you say about the pixel 2 over processing with the saturation and contrast on faces, they can look really odd.
I do think the overall s9+ camera when you factor everything in, is better than the pixel 2.
But going back to the note 8, which was my original point, I always found it blew out my images, over exposing them, and the HDR didn't seem particularly good either - the s9 seems to have fixed this issue.
If they fix the live focus/portrait shots, then I wouldn't really have any qualms - reason why it bothers me is on my pixel 2 I have taken the odd portrait shot which genuinely can be so good they look pro (unless you pixel peep, which I don't).
All round an excellent camera, and the s9, in my opinion, just seems so much better than my note 8
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Also add the front facing camera which somehow produces those soft images that lack in detail as compared to the pixel 2 even in low light considering the pixel 2 camera is f2.4 while s9 is f1.7

kumar abhishek said:
Also add the front facing camera which somehow produces those soft images that lack in detail as compared to the pixel 2 even in low light considering the pixel 2 camera is f2.4 while s9 is f1.7
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Yes, front facing camera is better on the Pixel 2, no questions about it.
I just hope Samsung can fix this in future updates.

I think it's all easily fixable. Just depends whether Samsung want to!

I will be doing extensive tests from tomorrow, as I have both cameras. So far I have to say Pixel's algorithakes the photo looka bit better (sharpness, micro contrast etc), however it's a bit more noisy as well. S9 camera has a huge potential, but Google camera app is just better. And the portrait mode on pixel blows everything out of the water.

boober78 said:
I will be doing extensive tests from tomorrow, as I have both cameras. So far I have to say Pixel's algorithakes the photo looka bit better (sharpness, micro contrast etc), however it's a bit more noisy as well. S9 camera has a huge potential, but Google camera app is just better. And the portrait mode on pixel blows everything out of the water.
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What about trying Google cam in the S9?, I think it will be an interesting comparison as well.

Yes, but I'm trying to find the one that will actually work. All of them seem to either force close or have a black screen.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8VJkjOd9dKSeW03i1
Medium-low light indoor. No contest. As usual, loss of detail on Samsung flagship Phones, nothing has changed.

Allesa said:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8VJkjOd9dKSeW03i1
Medium-low light indoor. No contest. As usual, loss of detail on Samsung flagship Phones, nothing has changed.
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Honestly, I prefer the one from the Samsung, as it is sharper and more colorful.

Galaxo60 said:
Honestly, I prefer the one from the Samsung, as it is sharper and more colorful.
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Are you sure? Pls look at the image info so that you know which one is which..
Look at my daughter's eyebrows.. You can clearly see the details on pixel 2 xl shot, but the detail is lost on s9+

Allesa said:
Are you sure? Pls look at the image info so that you know which one is which..
Look at my daughter's eyebrows.. You can clearly see the details on pixel 2 xl shot, but the detail is lost on s9+
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Yes, I'm sure, and i'm looking in my 50" 4K screen and of course I see every detail difference.
You are right in what you say, about the eyebrows and also I noticed in the hair, Samsung with this camera is softening the pictures a little with the processing, but still color retention and noise reduction are better in the S9, and even detail in textures and some other things:
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Is true that Samsung softens things, but Pixel in my opinion do the other way around and it applies too much oversharpening sometimes and the pic look unreal.
Anyway, is just a matter of what you prefer and what processing approach suits you.

Galaxo60 said:
Yes, I'm sure, and i'm looking in my 50" 4K screen and of course I see every detail difference.
You are right in what you say, about the eyebrows and also I noticed in the hair, Samsung with this camera is softening the pictures a little with the processing, but still color retention and noise reduction are better in the S9, and even detail in textures and some other things:
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Is true that Samsung softens things, but Pixel in my opinion do the other way around and it applies too much oversharpening sometimes and the pic look unreal.
Anyway, is just a matter of what you prefer and what processing approach suits you.
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The problem is, i focused on my daughter's face not on my bedsheet..
And no, my daughter's skin tone is not that red. I'll be worried sick if my daughter's skin is that red.
I'm comparing both at my professionally calibrated monitor (i work in film industry). The skin tone on s9+ is not right.
You are right on some photos pixel processing a bit too much (hdr+), but in this particular photo, i believe that it is spot on. Will post more comparison pics mainly medium to low light photos.
On the smooth (s9+) vs grain (pixel 2 xl). As a film director, i always prefer fine grain over smooth. Fine grain retains sharpness, while noise reduction reduces it.