Hey Guys,
I wonder if it is actually worth the trade-offs we get when we capture in anything higher than 1080p30, such as loss of video stabilization, etc? I would like to get the best videos possible while being worth for the trade-offs. Thanks
Hi !
Actually, I use FHD 60fps and it's just the best for me : great details, great colors (even if it's without HDR), and the fluidity is awesome ! The stabilisation is quite good, personnaly I do not see the difference between FHD (with OIS) and FHD 60fps (without it). UHD, QHD ... nothing compete with FHD 60fps When you are accustomed to 60fps, you will never leave it haha
martin.la.gib said:
Hi !
Actually, I use FHD 60fps and it's just the best for me : great details, great colors (even if it's without HDR), and the fluidity is awesome ! The stabilisation is quite good, personnaly I do not see the difference between FHD (with OIS) and FHD 60fps (without it). UHD, QHD ... nothing compete with FHD 60fps When you are accustomed to 60fps, you will never leave it haha
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lol, thanks for ur reply. Also, since the S6 has OIS, doesnt that mean it should work in any resolution but when aided with DIS it only works below 60fps? So what I mean is, below 60fps: OIS + DIS, >60fps, OIS only, right?
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lol, thanks for ur reply. Also, since the S6 has OIS, doesnt that mean it should work in any resolution but when aided with DIS it only works below 60fps? So what I mean is, below 60fps: OIS + DIS, >60fps, OIS only, right?
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Not exactly, I think more to a thing like that :
- Below 60fps : OIS + DIS
- 60fps and over : just DIS
I think the only smartphone who capture with OIS over FHD 30fps is the iPhone 6S Plus
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Not exactly, I think more to a thing like that :
- Below 60fps : OIS + DIS
- 60fps and over : just DIS
I think the only smartphone who capture with OIS over FHD 30fps is the iPhone 6S Plus
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I don't quite think so because the ois is a hardware feature so it should always work but with DIS, since it's software (works by cropping) it may not be able to keep up with high res. That's just my opinion, I'm not sure. Will research about it tmw. [emoji106]
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You are right OIS work always on in any resolution but Digital stabiliser + OIS only 1080/30 and lower
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Not exactly, I think more to a thing like that :
- Below 60fps : OIS + DIS
- 60fps and over : just DIS
I think the only smartphone who capture with OIS over FHD 30fps is the iPhone 6S Plus
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It's the opposite, OIS works for an infinite amount of frames as it's a physical gyroscope keeping the camera from shaking and not your CPU doing work to stabilize the video. OIS is just on and there's only 1 app that I know of that you can disable it, somehow.
I switch between 60fps and 30fps w/ ois depending on the situation at hand. If I want to record what ever is view at a steady hand I'll use the ladder.
If I want fluid motion I'll switch to 60fps.
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I switch between 60fps and 30fps w/ ois depending on the situation at hand. If I want to record what ever is view at a steady hand I'll use the ladder.
If I want fluid motion I'll switch to 60fps.
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Lol will try this thanks
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Which video setting is best?
Stick with 1080 in my opinion. 4k is still being adopted and chances are you don't even have a 4k display. There is no point in recording in a resolution that you don't have a display for due to its larger size in recording 4k
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But in the future all TV will be 4k or better. If I'm taking baby videos of my son I would like them on be 4k. So, again, what is everyone using?
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But in the future all TV will be 4k or better. If I'm taking baby videos of my son I would like them on be 4k. So, again, what is everyone using?
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I don't think there'll be 4K on phones for awhile, 1440p has yet to be adopted with the exception of G3. Technology is always changing and it seems like you've already made your decision so why ask? Use 4K if u want, its up to you honestly.
By the way you're speaking about technology becoming old, by the time your son grows up 4K will become obsolete and another standard will be the standard. 4K prices are still very expensive and is not as mainstream as 1080p as it'll take time to adopt.
True but 4k would be more future proof than 1080p.
I guess the real question is what is the difference between 4k dci Vs 4k uhd?
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True but 4k would be more future proof than 1080p.
I guess the real question is what is the difference between 4k dci Vs 4k uhd?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution#Resolutions
UHD for Ultra HD
DCI for Digital Cinema Initiative
I could be wrong but I believe uhd is 30fps and DCI is 24fps. So for highest quality, choose uhd.
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4k on 1080p TV's will look sharper (in a sense) as the picture is scaled to 1/4.
If the phone had true 1080p @60fps with sound, then that would be the best recording format..
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Actually, UHD is not real 4K, DCI is real 4K. If you want actual 4K use DCI.
ruvy01 said:
Actually, UHD is not real 4K, DCI is real 4K. If you want actual 4K use DCI.
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^^^This
It's an ever growing problem that manufacturers are incorrectly marketing UHD as 4k when it isn't actually 4k at all.
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But there IS 4k on phones...
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I don't think there'll be 4K on phones for awhile, 1440p has yet to be adopted with the exception of G3. Technology is always changing and it seems like you've already made your decision so why ask? Use 4K if u want, its up to you honestly.
By the way you're speaking about technology becoming old, by the time your son grows up 4K will become obsolete and another standard will be the standard. 4K prices are still very expensive and is not as mainstream as 1080p as it'll take time to adopt.
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This post doesn't make sense. The OnePlus One does record in 4k, and that's why we're discussing recording modes. Are you talking about 4K Display's on phones?
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This post doesn't make sense. The OnePlus One does record in 4k, and that's why we're discussing recording modes. Are you talking about 4K Display's on phones?
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He's talking about displays. Obviously. Because look at the post he's quoting.
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But in the future all TV will be 4k or better. If I'm taking baby videos of my son I would like them on be 4k. So, again, what is everyone using?
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This is exactly how I see it. However I'm still recording in 1080p. Most of the stuff I film isn't worth storing, so 1080p is fine.
If I would go for 4k I would choose UHD as this is the standard for TV. DCI is true 4k but only used for cinematic recording, so I guess this means black borders on your 4k TV.
At least this is how I understood it, it does not mean it's right [emoji317]
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zephiK said:
Stick with 1080 in my opinion. 4k is still being adopted and chances are you don't even have a 4k display. There is no point in recording in a resolution that you don't have a display for due to its larger size in recording 4k
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I see a lot of people saying the same but for the life of me I just can't understand why. In the future when you have a UHD TV would you not want to see your recordings in UHD instead of HD?
I don't have a UHD TV yet but I do have a 4k TV but I would always record in the highest quality I can.
Btw, right now UHD seems to be broken.
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GTCC said:
I see a lot of people saying the same but for the life of me I just can't understand why. In the future when you have a UHD TV would you not want to see your recordings in UHD instead of HD?
I don't have a UHD TV yet but I do have a 4k TV but I would always record in the highest quality I can.
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This is why: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/
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This is why: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/
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That article's stupid. Plus it's three years old. I don't care how intelligent the author attempts to portray himself as by quoting a lot of math, I can and do see a difference between 1080P and 4K on a standard size tv screen. What a load of rubbish.
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This is why: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/
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Another load of [email protected] from CNET. Anyone that looks at the two screens beside each other can see the difference unless your eyesight is bad.
timmaaa said:
That article's stupid. Plus it's three years old. I don't care how intelligent the author attempts to portray himself as by quoting a lot of math, I can and do see a difference between 1080P and 4K on a standard size tv screen. What a load of rubbish.
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Strictly resolution wise I see no difference. You may see other differences in terms of brightness and color reproduction but you can get that on newer or higher end 1080p displays.
BTW, the article was updated in May 2014.
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Another load of [email protected] from CNET. Anyone that looks at the two screens beside each other can see the difference unless your eyesight is bad.
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I take it you own a 4K TV?
I'm personally leaning towards the 1080p 60FPS video from my brief tests. It's SO smooth. I wish we had a 4K 60FPS option...
What does everyone else prefer?
I would record at 4K 30fps over 1080 60fps because 1080 60fps is blurry compared to all other modes. I personally prefer 1080 @30fps because i dont have any 4K compatible tvs or computers.
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I would record at 4K 30fps over 1080 60fps because 1080 60fps is blurry compared to all other modes. I personally prefer 1080 @30fps because i dont have any 4K compatible tvs or computers.
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I dont either but its considerably sharper on my screens and allows for zooming
k.s.deviate said:
I would record at 4K 30fps over 1080 60fps because 1080 60fps is blurry compared to all other modes. I personally prefer 1080 @30fps because i dont have any 4K compatible tvs or computers.
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I've never noticed blur. Did you notice on the phone or when viewed on a larger screen?
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I dont either but its considerably sharper on my screens and allows for zooming
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I didn't know that.. I'll have to test the zoom.
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I've never noticed blur. Did you notice on the phone or when viewed on a larger screen?
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On the phone for sure, I haven't looked on a larger screen lately as I sent my phone to google on an RMA. I get the new device in a day or so so I'll have to look then.
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I didn't know that.. I'll have to test the zoom.
On the phone for sure, I haven't looked on a larger screen lately as I sent my phone to google on an RMA. I get the new device in a day or so so I'll have to look then.
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I do lol thats why I use 4k cuz i can zoom without messing up the video quality
Either way, 60fps makes me want to barf and looks too fake. Like when people use the 120fps filter on their TV's. I think with free storage, may as well use 4k @ 30. Although, I feel the image stabilization is stronger @ 1080
I do think this time Huawei really has a wonderful device: it checks every box I can imagine for a top notch device:
- great screen
- great camera (photo)
- great battery
- nice design
- frontal finger print reader
Everything but video stabilization!!!!! I mean, how, HOW can it be that this great device is not able to stabilize video @1080/60 nor @4K/30?!!??! This is a shame! When I pay almost 900€ for a mobile phone I want to be able to use it completely!!!
Do you think Huawei will change its mind and introduce video stabilization for 1080/60 and 4K/30 like Oneplus did for the 5T???
I do really hope so! Waiting till then to finally buy it!
Hi Aratheba,
The video camera review by SupaSaf on YouTube shows stabilisation at 1080p, not sure if this is 30 or 60fps however !
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Hi Aratheba,
The video camera review by SupaSaf on YouTube shows stabilisation at 1080p, not sure if this is 30 or 60fps however !
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I can tell you for sure that sadly it's only @1080/30
Yes - Can also confirm the stabilsation is only 1080p at 30fps. This should be more than enough for most users and now that the prices of handheld gimbals have come down that would be another option. I hope they can bring an update to enable at least EIS on 4k or 1080 60fps like how One Plus did.
DJI Osmo Mobile 2 - £120.00
Smooth Q - £99.00
P.S - P.S - Have also preordered the P20 and returned my S9. I only have 1080p TV at home anyway and will get a gimbal for some serious videography
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Yes - Can also confirm the stabilsation is only 1080p at 30fps. This should be more than enough for most users and now that the prices of handheld gimbals have come down that would be another option. I hope they can bring an update to enable at least EIS on 4k or 1080 60fps like how One Plus did.
DJI Osmo Mobile 2 - £120.00
Smooth Q - £99.00
P.S - P.S - Have also preordered the P20 and returned my S9. I only have 1080p TV at home anyway and will get a gimbal for some serious videography
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Not me...I have a 4k capable TV...anche it's really a joy to watch 4k content.
Moreover I can't stand to spend 899€ and not being able to have a stabilized video. [emoji36]
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I also think about this ****. But most of my video was recorded when I did not walk.
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I also think about this ****. But most of my video was recorded when I did not walk.
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Ya mee too: i dont usually walk anf record video. But I don’t have a steady hand....thus even if i’m not walking I can see video shaking a little bit...
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agree this is a real bummer. Fix Huawei
Does it have 3x optical zoom on 1080 60 fps ?
At the end it comes down to priorities between 1080p and 4k.
Everybody will have a different option like me with only 1080p TV in my house and using a smartphone stabiliser for serious 4k recording. 1080p 30fps for everyday videos is enough for me but am also hoping they bring some 1080p 60fps EIS
A new update is coming with the new ISO limit 102500 so praying huawei also stick in some extra stabilsation
mulkman said:
At the end it comes down to priorities between 1080p and 4k.
Everybody will have a different option like me with only 1080p TV in my house and using a smartphone stabiliser for serious 4k recording. 1080p 30fps for everyday videos is enough for me but am also hoping they bring some 1080p 60fps EIS
A new update is coming with the new ISO limit 102500 so praying huawei also stick in some extra stabilsation
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Besides what's important for me...I do think that such an expensive 2018 flagship phone MUST have video stabilization (EIS at least).
Where did you read about the new update?
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Aratheba said:
Besides what's important for me...I do think that such an expensive 2018 flagship phone MUST have video stabilization (EIS at least).
Where did you read about the new update?
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I 100% agree with you about stabilization . I just returned my S9 due to its battery issues (due to exynos chipset)
I read about it on YouTube video.
A reviewer recently reviewed the photo and going through the ISO modes it only went up to ISO 3400 and someone confirmed that huawei confirmed that ISO 102500 would be included in a software update.
The reviewers all have pre-production handsets and roughly by tommorrow they should get the final handset from huawei to confirm their final review (embargo lifted
mulkman said:
I 100% agree with you about stabilization . I just returned my S9 due to its battery issues (due to exynos chipset)
I read about it on YouTube video.
A reviewer recently reviewed the photo and going through the ISO modes it only went up to ISO 3400 and someone confirmed that huawei confirmed that ISO 102500 would be included in a software update.
The reviewers all have pre-production handsets and roughly by tommorrow they should get the final handset from huawei to confirm their final review (embargo lifted
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Instead that the iso "issue" it's not an issue: the phone goes that high only in auto mode, not in manual.
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Aratheba said:
I do think this time Huawei really has a wonderful device: it checks every box I can imagine for a top notch device:
- great screen
- great camera (photo)
- great battery
- nice design
- frontal finger print reader
Everything but video stabilization!!!!! I mean, how, HOW can it be that this great device is not able to stabilize video @1080/60 nor @4K/30?!!??! This is a shame! When I pay almost 900€ for a mobile phone I want to be able to use it completely!!!
Do you think Huawei will change its mind and introduce video stabilization for 1080/60 and 4K/30 like Oneplus did for the 5T???
I do really hope so! Waiting till then to finally buy it!
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If you use opencamera or ultracorder (hevc) at 3k resolution (3264x1840) then EIS works nicely, looks really smooth. Admitedly it's not 4k, but its still much better than 1080p. I'm currently using ultracorder at 36.7mbit maintier level6.2 with EIS enabled and it really does look nice.
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Instead that the iso "issue" it's not an issue: the phone goes that high only in auto mode, not in manual.
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Not correct. After build 128 , pro mode iso can be set at 102,400. I know this as I had build 128 installed .
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Not correct. After build 128 , pro mode iso can be set at 102,400. I know this as I had build 128 installed .
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Waaooo at last. So you can use 102 400 ISO in Pro Mod? On how much shutter speed maximum?
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Waaooo at last. So you can use 102 400 ISO in Pro Mod? On how much shutter speed maximum?
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Yes that is correct. I am not on 128 now, I just had it for a short while last week to test out stuff but rolled back to an earlier build now. I am sure there must be some others on 128 though who can answer the shutter speed max.
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Not correct. After build 128 , pro mode iso can be set at 102,400. I know this as I had build 128 installed .
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That was correct when I wrote it, I mean at least until build 120. [emoji13]
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isko01 said:
Waaooo at last. So you can use 102 400 ISO in Pro Mod? On how much shutter speed maximum?
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Yes, thats true., at least on build 128 But the max shutter speed that I've got was 1/[email protected] ISO (strange, it's really very high, but that's what camera reports) If the light is to high, it stays at 1/4 sec, so ISO higher then 6400 is not usable in broad daylight, which is understandable. I yet have to try it at the night
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Xiaomi Mi 9 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Coming from a Mi Mix 2S I can not stress enough how great the Video quality is on this Phone. Smooth 60FPS in a 4K Video and very fast and crisp autofocus makes this camera a joy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kE1YdfFzzhJZKdLAA
The Mi 9 does suffer from judder in 4K 30fps which are a result of missed frames.
This has also been confirmed on dxomark review
Hopefully this can be fixed in a software update
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The Mi 9 does suffer from judder in 4K 30fps which are a result of missed frames.
This has also been confirmed on dxomark review
Hopefully this can be fixed in a software update
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Yeah, a lot of my 4k 30 fps videos have this problem
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Yeah, a lot of my 4k 30 fps videos have this problem
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We need to hit up the xiaomi forum and get some confirmations on my thread.
https://en.miui.com/thread-6006991-1-1.html
Register and reply back to the thread and give a confirmation that you experience the same issue. This will make them investigate the issue
A video recorded by me from Xiaomi Store in London in 4K 30fps with stabilisation (judder / dropped frames)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYCKvPU-ir4
I have same issue with my brand new mi9..
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I have same issue with my brand new mi9..
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For some reason the videos look worse on YouTube then on my 4K Samsung TV. This may due to the way YouTube processes those dropped frames, during its conversion process.
This needs to be fixed as its a big disappointment.
The Snapdragon 855 has more than enough power to handle 4K at 30fps with AI stabilisation but the Mi 9 lack of OIS could be the reason why it struggles during panning
The video is EXTREMELY SHAKY - EIS seems nonexistant.
- Audio is 14/20 (concert recording ok, quieter scenes a bit less nice)
EDIT:
- This is due to limitations on 4K60
- EIS is good on 4K30 - but then there are dropped frames.
I dislike the EIS implementation of Xiaomi (so called stabilization) on the Mi 9. It crops the image and you loose sharpness over stabilization. If you turn it off you also have a wider view.
My other phone (Mi 9 SE) the EIS is less agressive, so the crop is less perhaps due to the lesser cpu. The actual image looks better because it is sharper, detailed and has a wider view. The problem is that EIS causes judder when panning because the software is not optimized and more judder with lesser cpu. I actually prefer that they implemented the EIS on the Mi 9 with less cropping.
Strange is that I disable stabilization on both Mi 9 and Mi 9 SE but the video is still sharper and more detailed on the Mi 9 SE.
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I dislike the EIS implementation of Xiaomi (so called stabilization) on the Mi 9. It crops the image and you loose sharpness over stabilization. E.
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To be noted that now Gcam supports EIS in 4k 30 fps and 60 fps with much less cropping.
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To be noted that now Gcam supports EIS in 4k 30 fps and 60 fps with much less cropping.
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The stabilization is not as slider smooth as MIUI cam, though. I'd still prefer to disable EIS and have my gimbal for serious video recording.
Its excellent actually thanks to the new GCAM mod by urnyx05. It supports 100Mbits 4K 60fps videos with working video stabilization!! Working video stabilization on 4k 60fps is really uncommon. Non of the flagships have it nor even iPhones support it.
AdrixStrife said:
Its excellent actually thanks to the new GCAM mod by urnyx05. It supports 100Mbits 4K 60fps videos with working video stabilization!! Working video stabilization on 4k 60fps is really uncommon. Non of the flagships have it nor even iPhones support it.
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Actually, many of today's flagship can stabilize [email protected] including but not limited to iPhone 11 series, Samsung S20 series, even OPPO Find X2 Pro can do it as well. Xiaomi isn't left behind as Mi 10 series can do it, unfortunately as typical Xiaomi, they don't backport many features to older devices.
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Its excellent actually thanks to the new GCAM mod by urnyx05. It supports 100Mbits 4K 60fps videos with working video stabilization!! Working video stabilization on 4k 60fps is really uncommon. Non of the flagships have it nor even iPhones support it.
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Hi, can you please point out which version of the GCam you're talking about? I've been looking for ways to get at least 1080p 60fps with EIS on my Mi9 but no luck so far..
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Hi, can you please point out which version of the GCam you're talking about? I've been looking for ways to get at least 1080p 60fps with EIS on my Mi9 but no luck so far..
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https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-urnyx05/
Hi guys, is it possible to record slow motion with the main camera? I can only record it with the wide angle lens and it is very anoying, is the same for you? or it is only me?
Thank you
I have the same. Would appreciate someones answear.
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Hi guys, is it possible to record slow motion with the main camera? I can only record it with the wide angle lens and it is very anoying, is the same for you? or it is only me?
Thank you
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It's not possible, even with SD865 because the 108MP of the main camera are to heavy to handle.
This high resolution brings a lot of issues, one of them is the inability to change lensens while recording a video. It's not possible to switch between 108 mp to wide or zoom 2x/5x.
I am very disappointed from the slow motion functionality - it's very very limited. fixed time for the video and slow motion only at the last quarter, no editing possible.
Coming from a 5 years old iPhone 6S in which I could record any length and edit the slow motion part however I want, I find this extremely disappointing...
Guys i think is enaugh with this SH... Xiaomi smpartphones, i already use a Mi Note 10 und for , camera, Video, Speed, Update its f... bad..
und we are talking for a new Smartphone not for Mi 8 or .. . thats why better other marks..(Oppo, Oneplus, Sam, or whatever. . )
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It's not possible, even with SD865 because the 108MP of the main camera are to heavy to handle.
This high resolution brings a lot of issues, one of them is the inability to change lensens while recording a video. It's not possible to switch between 108 mp to wide or zoom 2x/5x.
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You are kind of wrong there, the inability to change lenses while recording is an inherit issue in all Xiaomi phones, it's a MIUI software optimization issue, it's not hardware fault.
Chapi Chap said:
I am very disappointed from the slow motion functionality - it's very very limited. fixed time for the video and slow motion only at the last quarter, no editing possible.
Coming from a 5 years old iPhone 6S in which I could record any length and edit the slow motion part however I want, I find this extremely disappointing...
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Hi
there is any update about this situation? I understand the need to have a fixed time to record, but it is unusable to record only the last second of the video... I 'd like to record in super slow mo the "middle" of the video, as Samsung or Huawei do. There is some other app tha allow this solution?