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This is my dream. Galaxy Note III or Note II with Google quick updates, like Nexus devices. Maybe some kind of petition to Samsung or Google will contribute for this?
Galaxy S4 Google Edition:
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s4-google/4505-6452_7-35761621.html
I can barely see this making sense on the S4, but I really don't think it'd make sense with the Galaxy Note series. If you strip away Touchwiz, you're left with a big screen, powerful hardware, and a S-pen that would have absolutely zero integration with the OS. I love stock Android, but being the Note is heavily centered around the S-pen, and S-pen is so deeply entrenched in Touchwiz, this is one case where I think I'd rather have Touchwiz.
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I can barely see this making sense on the S4, but I really don't think it'd make sense with the Galaxy Note series. If you strip away Touchwiz, you're left with a big screen, powerful hardware, and a S-pen that would have absolutely zero integration with the OS. I love stock Android, but being the Note is heavily centered around the S-pen, and S-pen is so deeply entrenched in Touchwiz, this is one case where I think I'd rather have Touchwiz.
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One of the reason I use Note series devices is S Pen. It perfectly and 100% works with CyanogenMod ROMs, why this will not work with official Google ROM??? For now I'm not using any of Samsung apps, and I find that Quill is perfect replacement for S Note. And there are many cool apps for just drawing like Drawing Pad, Doodledroid, AirBrush and others. Also Handrite is nice app. Besides Android 4.x and above have full support for wacom pen.
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One of the reason I use Note series devices is S Pen. It perfectly and 100% works with CyanogenMod ROMs, why this will not work with official Google ROM??? For now I'm not using any of Samsung apps, and I find that Quill is perfect replacement for S Note. And there are many cool apps for just drawing like Drawing Pad, Doodledroid, AirBrush and others. Besides Android 4.x and above have full support for wacom pen.
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Because SPen is native in touchwiz framework.. Not just in 3rd party spps that support a stylus. In TW it works in any browser on the keyboard in any app and the button can be set for lots of thing. Note with out at least option for TW is dumb. Any I have never used my note for "art".
How many ROMs have you actually used?
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Because SPen is native in touchwiz framework.. Not just in 3rd party spps that support a stylus. In TW it works in any browser on the keyboard in any app and the button can be set for lots of thing. Note with out at least option for TW is dumb. Any I have never used my note for "art".
How many ROMs have you actually used?
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Android itself support wacom stylus actions. It will fully work at clean Android as well as TW.
I used many different ROMs at Note and Note 2. CM\Paranoid\TW stock and custom and many others. My current ROM is in my signature.
Not really interested in AOSP ROM on Note devices - that's a downgrade as far as I'm concerned. For full functionality, it's de-bloated touchwiz based ROMs for me.
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Not really interested in AOSP ROM on Note devices - that's a downgrade as far as I'm concerned. For full functionality, it's de-bloated touchwiz based ROMs for me.
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There are AOSP ROMS which do have S-Pen functionality. Try those. Eg. Liquid Smooth 2.4
I would better buying a nexus series phone rather than ruining my note 2 or 3. The samsung phones looks best with samsung adons. I used to hate touchwiz and only started using it since note 2 because of integrated features. So I will never have auch wish.
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There are AOSP ROMS which do have S-Pen functionality. Try those. Eg. Liquid Smooth 2.4
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Do you, or anyone else, know if it's possible to get stock camera functions (like recording in high speed and slowmotion) in aosp-based roms?
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There are AOSP ROMS which do have S-Pen functionality. Try those. Eg. Liquid Smooth 2.4
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Yeah not exactly. Those that are dependent on touchwiz framework (eg. screenshot, airview) are not available on any AOSP ROM. S Pen is functional on most ROMs, AOSP or otherwise, that's besides the point - hence the "full functionality" part.
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Yeah not exactly. Those that are dependent on touchwiz framework (eg. screenshot, airview) are not available on any AOSP ROM. S Pen is functional on most ROMs, AOSP or otherwise, that's besides the point - hence the "full functionality" part.
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True but now with the S4 around we could say it more a Touchwiz feature than a S Pen feature, things like pressure sensitivity work well with apps that offer compatibility. To be fair, would still use a custom rom, even when it ships with stock hehe. So yeah, can do that now already.
What would be great are the revealed sources of some prop hardware modules.
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This is my dream. Galaxy Note III or Note II with Google quick updates, like Nexus devices. Maybe some kind of petition to Samsung or Google will contribute for this?
Galaxy S4 Google Edition:
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s4-google/4505-6452_7-35761621.html
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I do hope that they will put out a "Google Edition" too but I will most definitely NOT buy it.
I DO like VERY MUCH Samsung added mods, apps, services, widgets, settings and personalizations (minus the launcher which I replace with Nova Launcher Prime).
I deactivate, of course, the few things which I don't use so they don't affect me in the slightest. I would have to do the same even on a "stock Android" for a few things anyway, so no gain/loss here.
The reason I want a Note III "Google Edition" to exist is very simple: if I keep a Note III for longer than it gets official Samsung updates and a major new version of Android with killer features comes out I can always flash the stock Android ROM! :victory:
Or, for example, it could still be getting updates but not for the new Android versions. It has happened with my old Galaxy S: in the end it was still being updated (heck, it is STILL getting new ROMs!!) but it never got ICS, the new ROMs are still GB based.
So both things may in fact happen. I kept my OG Note for 15 months, for example, which is a not so short time in the smartphone and mobile operating systems world...
Fine, a Note 3 Google edition.
Better even (for me) a 5,9 inch superfast phone without pen and gimmicks.
First thing I do is install Nova so I can reach all my apps from the homepage and disable as much unwanted / unneeded stuff as I can. (My S2 looks the same as my Note 2 now) and use (g) mail, g calendar, news apps, browser(s) nav progs, FB, and some utils.
But I am not a S penner.
I just have the note for size and speed. No pen or touchwiz needed.
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Omg shut up samsung, take my money and give me note3 nexus edition & it would be nice if its golden and active edition. Ill jiust wait for this every year now and then
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That idea of having a Google Edition I see as a downgrade compared to TW with Spen embedded in functionality almost everywhere, I just love the Spen, and make such an extensive use as I find it impossible now to do without it. As for a bigger screen, if they could manage to fit a bigger one on an size identical as GN2 that might be very tempting, if they decide to manage extra battery with a thinner body they already have my money, otherwise even if gn3 would be around by the time my gn2 will get broken, bcs it will, I would be buying again a gn2 if Samsung updates would continue.
Oh, I forgot, a plastic unbreakable screen, please that is just bs, unless the battery is flexible, the motherboard, etc etc, but who in their right mind would want to sell an indestructible device. Octa core, dodeca core, 24 core, lol, that is all bs to me, a Google edition 64 bit I would consider a real upgrade. But that might be some years away, maybe when GN5 would be around.
Peace.
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I would buy a N3 Google Edition as soon as I possibly could. I love the options and no nonsense approach that AOSP has. Over the last couple versions, Nexus devices have always been a step down in the hardware compared to other Android devices.
OP I think you're missing the point. A Honda Accord can drive on dirt roads but doing so won't let you experience all the car has to offer. Yes, the SPen WILL work perfectly fine with out TW but not having TW will cause a loss of functionality, period.
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OP I think you're missing the point. A Honda Accord can drive on dirt roads but doing so won't let you experience all the car has to offer. Yes, the SPen WILL work perfectly fine with out TW but not having TW will cause a loss of functionality, period.
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TouchWiz is a loss of functionality, speed and stability of normal Android ROM. There is no problem to port all S Pen features to clean Android ROM from Google.
The only reason I've not migrated to other custom ROMs is beacuse of the Spen integration in Touchwiz. I really dont like TouchWiz but i do use it.
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TouchWiz is a loss of functionality, speed and stability of normal Android ROM. There is no problem to port all S Pen features to clean Android ROM from Google.
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What functionality are you referring to exactly, that Touchwiz lacks and AOSP has? I have had next to no lags on most Touchwiz ROMs - and they're stable too. Obviously stock, unrooted is a touch laggy (i.e. notification lag, but that's it), but it's no issue once you switch to a good touchwiz based ROM.
Let me start off by saying that I am not trying to troll at all I am just generally curious. I for one have had a galaxy nexus, and I loved it (minus the battery life) and also been through a galaxy s 3 and 4. Off the bat the 3 and 4 both have a butt load of features that I always missed when I would flash stock android roms and it always seemed like the camera software was far better than anything a stock android device can get. I do get that stock android devices get updates directly from google and I also get that the skins take up a lot more space but besides those reasons is that alone what makes stock android far better than anything else? I hear people complain about the tw skins or sense skins about how it looks so ugly but isnt a simple fix for this is to just add another launcher like apex? Anyways this is just my personal opinion on the matter and I just wanted to see other peoples inputs. Like I said im not trolling but I just want to see what everyone else thinks.
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Let me start off by saying that I am not trying to troll at all I am just generally curious. I for one have had a galaxy nexus, and I loved it (minus the battery life) and also been through a galaxy s 3 and 4. Off the bat the 3 and 4 both have a butt load of features that I always missed when I would flash stock android roms and it always seemed like the camera software was far better than anything a stock android device can get. I do get that stock android devices get updates directly from google and I also get that the skins take up a lot more space but besides those reasons is that alone what makes stock android far better than anything else? I hear people complain about the tw skins or sense skins about how it looks so ugly but isnt a simple fix for this is to just add another launcher like apex? Anyways this is just my personal opinion on the matter and I just wanted to see other peoples inputs. Like I said im not trolling but I just want to see what everyone else thinks.
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It's a combination of factors, IMO. There are some folks who are Android "purists" who like the hardware, but want just the stock version of Android better than anything an OEM adds onto it. Kind of like stripping down a car to keep the engine and the body shape, but tuning it to run the way you like it. Most of the people here at least want to have the ability to remove any apps or parts of the "skin" (like Touchwiz) that they don't want or use and want them gone so that they're not taking up system resources. On the SGS4, for instance, there's been allot of blow back at Samsung because they've crammed so much software for their bells and whistles that the 16GB model has almost half it's system memory (the area where applications, games, Google Play Music or movies, etc.... have to reside) that there's hardly any room to include a new launcher and most of the Apps you might want to run. The expandable storage is nice for pictures, videos, or MP3s you already own and want to store, but it's not usable by applications.
In short, if it's my phone I want total control over what is and what isn't on it no matter what Samsung and AT&T want to cram down my throat. Samsung's Camera software is something I'd probably like to keep, but the silly air gestures and "touchless scrolling" I could care less about. Not to mention the load of programs AT&T also drops on there which I never use and am perfectly happy to see gone also.
If you're happy with your phone the way you currently have it, then no one else's opinion should matter as to how you should have it set up. But there's a wide variety of what people do and don't want on their phones and if they want Vanilla AOSP or CM or modified Touchwiz and they're willing to trade off some Stock features to get what they want, this is one of the places people come to do that. As long as someone accepts the responsibility that they may brick their phone and void the warranty by playing with the software, then they should have the freedom to do whatever they want with it.
As of today, is it possible to install stock Android on the current Samsun Galaxy S4 (mine is from Canada Fido).
Funny thing is, I wish google didn't install their bloat onto the gs4. If there's already a stock music app why preinstall google music. Same with all their other bloat. Not needed like chrome. They should of made google software optional. Keep samsungs in since it is their product.
I honestly think that stock Android is pretty overrated. I've had the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4 and they were both pretty terrible. What makes Android so awesome are the different tweaks and software that the makers use. Sure, the simplicity of stock is fine, but that's about it. For example, the TW SG4 will have IR support, a better camera app, etc. You loose a lot of functionality with going stock.
What I really want to see is some fusion rom with the stock Android mixed with all the TW goodies, like the gestures, camera app, etc.
j510 said:
Funny thing is, I wish google didn't install their bloat onto the gs4. If there's already a stock music app why preinstall google music. Same with all their other bloat. Not needed like chrome. They should of made google software optional. Keep samsungs in since it is their product.
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Because, manufaturers have to keep a crlertain amount of stock android included in their phones...as in a certain percentage of software with no touchwiz...so that is likely why they left some of the stock google apps in
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j510 said:
Funny thing is, I wish google didn't install their bloat onto the gs4. If there's already a stock music app why preinstall google music. Same with all their other bloat. Not needed like chrome. They should of made google software optional. Keep samsungs in since it is their product.
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The hardware might be Samsung's product, but Android is Google's product.
Manufacturers don't have to keep anything. They use stock android as the basis. The pieces you mention like ir blaster use drivers outside of stock android. If devs had these drivers then we would have stock android with goodies. Stock is good because source code is available for all of it. That means it can be heavily customized. Touch wiz is Samsung's and they will not release the source.
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First off, it is all preference--no phone, OS is perfect for everyone.
I have been flashing roms heavily for over 3 years. Mostly HTC like the Nexus One and One S.
I found things I liked in both Sense and AOSP. I did like theming status bar items, color, look etc. Most of the flashing was to get newer versions of Sense and Android. I was running 4.2.2 on One S long before it was on hardly any phones.
It did seem no matter what custom rom you ran, you lost something you liked from another one. There were always minor issues with wifi, audio, reboots etc for many people. Some roms just didn't play well with some phones. So, lots of soft bricks and frustration. I was lucky there.
This is the first phone I have owned that I have no interest in flashing custom roms. I can't believe i even like and don't want to change the wallpaper. I usually always made my own semi-gloss black. But, the colors are so vibrant and icons stand out extremely well on S4. Would like to get rid of balloon on lockscreen. But, no one stares at their lockscreen.
With all the trolls and nay-sayers on the forum, both mine and my son's S4's run perfect. No lags and all the "gimicks" work as advertised. I find myself using them more and more. Wouldn't want to give them up now. S-Voice is perfect and Air View I really like. Don't use the scroll though. S-Memo is an essential for me now. A carry over from Note 2. I even like the stock calendar which I hated when just testing the Note 1 and 2 awhile back. Love being able to create and move calendar events by voice. Don't use GMail calendar anymore other than my work one is tied to it. Camera is great too.
I could see rooting for Nandroids and Titanium though.
This is a great phone regardless of what others say. But, each to there own--
Oh yeah--love Blocking Mode--an imitation of Quiet Hours on Android--couldn't live without it
And I don't know about Touch Whiz. But, whatever it is suppose to be it works great on S4
The "quirky" Air Gestures work fine too. Palm for Screenshots is a little tough to work out though
There is so much on this phone it will take me 6 months to learn and remember to use all of it--
Every time there's a new nexus coming out I have to get it. I enjoy it for about a month then it bores me to death and I go back to a Samsung, HTC or LG phone. I much prefer the UI overlays over stock. Not that stock is bad or anything, it runs super smooth but it is just boring. Hopefully KLP will bring some visual changes as well.
It's like driving a Chevelle Super Sport (SS) 454, which I did. Compared to a 2013 fully technical (GPS/Audio etc) loaded Mercedes or equivalent. The Chevelle had all the power you could ever want. But, in the end that is all it had. Now you have all the bells and whistles on these cars like the S4 has fun features.
I came from the Galaxy Nexus to the GS4 1337.
What I hate the most is the duplication of functions! That drives me insane. Google already has a contacts app, so why do I need a fugly AT&T contacts app? Why do I need a AT&T navigation app AND GMaps? Why do I need a Google calendar, AT&T calendar, Samsung calendar all on the same phone?? Just setting up the phone from scratch infuriates me... skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip
and my favorite... TWO APP STORES! That was jaw dropping. It's a constant assault to your intelligence trying to automate everything in the worst way possible. It's like Samsung apps are at war with Google Apps and everyone is at war with AT&T apps.
The very first possible second I could load CM10.1 on this phone, I did.
While I was waiting on the unlocked bootloader, I did play around with the S Health, WatchON, and the camera/video, and I did enjoy them and miss them from my CM 10.1 experience, but even that couldn't make up for the garbage installed on this phone from the factory.
it's funny on everyone's experience. i found no problem setting my homescreens up and just ignored apps i didn't want. at this point don't even know they are in app drawer.
I bought Nexus 4 after already had Galaxy s3 for a while. Even though Nexus 4 is fantastic device, I thought its too vanilla for me. Even though compared to S3, there was not much feature differences. I don't think I will ever get Pure Nexus phone again..may be tablet will be fine. The other thing is I sometimes get into a phase where I want to use AOSP rom so I flash CM10.1 or AOKP. But as soon i get bored back to TW rom. Can't do that with Nexus devices...
The only thing i want from Stock is the AOSP messaging app. The quick reply from the notification drop down and pop up is awesome.
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I came from the Galaxy Nexus to the GS4 1337.
What I hate the most is the duplication of functions! That drives me insane. Google already has a contacts app, so why do I need a fugly AT&T contacts app? Why do I need a AT&T navigation app AND GMaps? Why do I need a Google calendar, AT&T calendar, Samsung calendar all on the same phone?? Just setting up the phone from scratch infuriates me... skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip
and my favorite... TWO APP STORES! That was jaw dropping. It's a constant assault to your intelligence trying to automate everything in the worst way possible. It's like Samsung apps are at war with Google Apps and everyone is at war with AT&T apps.
The very first possible second I could load CM10.1 on this phone, I did.
While I was waiting on the unlocked bootloader, I did play around with the S Health, WatchON, and the camera/video, and I did enjoy them and miss them from my CM 10.1 experience, but even that couldn't make up for the garbage installed on this phone from the factory.
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God forbid they give you a choice of which app to use. Having a choice is one of the main factors that make people choose android over ios.
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God forbid they give you a choice of which app to use. Having a choice is one of the main factors that make people choose android over ios.
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Agreed, but not allowing the complete uninstall of a duplicated app goes against the fundamental philosophies of android.
This goes for both Google, Apple, Windows or any other OS. What I want is the most basic OS possible and add apps as I see fit from the app store. I do not want anything forced on my device. The closest you can get to that nirvana is an AOSP ROM or Nexus.
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Pure Android will mainly attract the developers as it is a great base to work from. Most average people will chose Sense or TW or any of the other Android distros (as that is more correct them calling them skins) due to the features. Most of those features can't be utilized by Devs unless they pay for the SDK like Samsung is doing now with them for the sensors in the S4. Only big companies are gonna be able to afford to pay what Samsung wants for the SDK to develop with.
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On the SGS4, for instance, there's been allot of blow back at Samsung because they've crammed so much software for their bells and whistles that the 16GB model has almost half it's system memory (the area where applications, games, Google Play Music or movies, etc.... have to reside) that there's hardly any room to include a new launcher and most of the Apps you might want to run.
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This is a gross overexaggeration of the storage situation on the SGS4.
The only way I can think of that you can fill the ~9.7gb of internal storage with app data is if you're downloading every high resolution, high graphic intensive game available for the platform. If that's your case, then you're absolutely right. While admittedly not a high number, I have over 68 apps(most of which I use on a near daily basis) installed on my phone with the highest occupying 64.93mb. Most apps range from 10-30mb. At 64.93mb, I can have ~152.97 of those sized apps on my phone before running into storage capacity issues.
I like the rest of your post though.
One of the reasons I got the S4 and gave my iPhone 5 to the wife was mostly the software features Samsung added. I really do like the voice control for the camera and music apps, and I find some of the air gestures pretty good too. Going with a "Nexus" experience S4, I'd lose the very features I got the phone for.
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Pure Android will mainly attract the developers as it is a great base to work from. Most average people will chose Sense or TW or any of the other Android distros (as that is more correct them calling them skins) due to the features. Most of those features can't be utilized by Devs unless they pay for the SDK like Samsung is doing now with them for the sensors in the S4. Only big companies are gonna be able to afford to pay what Samsung wants for the SDK to develop with.
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wow.... there is a name I haven't seen for a long time... Did you get get an S4?
Hello everyone. ok so i have a samsung vibrant old school samsung galaxy s 1 phone . I havnt felt the need to upgrade i was thinking about it than i put android 4.3 on that and its butter now. So i want this on my note as well.
I am concerned about a couple of things first multiwindow but i saw play store has an app that makes everything multiwindow so thats not a problem any more... i am wondering if the app will work if i put 4.3 in there and take out samsung UI.
Now my second concern is i use the feature of the note where u click with the stylus and select anything, crop it and import it to another app. VERY USEFUL feature for making notes on lecture notes. So i was wondering if this feature would go away with the 4.3 install.
and third the feature of snote mini popping up when i double tap stylus would that go away too?
Lastly what is the difference between orignal android develpment and android development.
Some please answer me. I will very much appreciate your time . THANKS
1 2 3 anything that is a samsung touchwiz feature goodbye
4 original is more for elite devs something like that
multiwindow,
spen and all associated features,
ir blaster,
and whatever other touchwiz features will no longer work if you install a 4.3 rom
why exactly do you need 4.3?
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multiwindow,
spen and all associated features,
ir blaster,
and whatever other touchwiz features will no longer work if you install a 4.3 rom
why exactly do you need 4.3?
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thats a bummer. I dont need it i want it. I like to keep my software updated its just a personal preference. But in the case of 4.3 i noticed major speed improvement on my phone so i wanted to see how bad ass my tablet would be if i had that on there. I am guessing it has that TRIM memory management built in that why its like that w.e it is i really enjoyed how smooth my phone was after. But I am not willing to give up the touchwiz features college is the reason i bought this particular tablet. thanks for the answer guys :good: Maybe ill sell this and go for the 2014 note :cyclops:
I'm planning to buy either a Huawei Watch or a Samsung Gear S2 Classic soon, and the one piece of information I seem to be unable to find is a decent list of what apps are available for each?
Based on watching youtube videos I really prefer the interface on the S2, seems far more intuitive, but I don't want to find myself missing apps that I would find useful...
Anyone got one and find anything missing or know where I can find a list - google is failing me! Having come from Windows Phone to Android recently I dont want to back myself into an app hole again
http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-gear-s2/599771-list-apps-work-gear-s2-please-add-here.html
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So that list is really handy, thanks, but does seem to be 6months old...
Also, it doesnt help me by comparing to what Android Wear has - I havent used either, so I don't know what i'm missing out on if you know what i mean...
e.g. can i do turn by turn directions on wrist with google maps on either device? Can i get Waze running on either device? That article mentions e-mails and messaging with Samsung apps on their phones, what about on my Z5? Do i need to find a third party in that case?
I've updated that Gear s2 list on and off for the last six months, so while it's not comprehensive, it's up to date as far as it goes. I don't have a google wear watch to compare, but unlike Samsung, google let's you browse android wear apps on the web: https://play.google.com/store/apps/category/ANDROID_WEAR
It's generally agreed that android wear has way more apps than Tizen (and that apple has even more apps than Wear.) There's not a lot of agreement about how important that fact is. Some smartwatch users stick mostly to notifications, which are good for things like getting messages and for quick, simple replies; saves you from digging your phone out of your pocket all the time. Others care more about specific apps. The general feeling seems to be that the Gear S2 has maybe the best hardware and interface (and many like its looks), but that apps for the Gear S2 are a weak link. So, for example, the Gear S2 has a couple of options for turn-by-turn directions, one that comes with the watch called Here maps, and another 3rd party app called Gear Navigator; both are a little funky in my experience. Over on Android Wear, I'm guessing you'll have many more options to try from. On the other hand, the only circumstance in which I've found watch-based turn by turn directions useful is on a bicycle; in a car, the tiny screen just doesn't match up to having a full-sized smartphone screen on your dash. (I'll have to let someone else with experience let you know about what works and what doesn't with a Z5.)
Thanks for that. I had an MS band before and basically used it for notifications and telling the time!
I guess I'm worried that there will be some app I realise I want and can't get on Tizen , which knowing how that felt on WP is a concern...
But as you say, Gear S2 classic is the best looking smart watch out there (imho) for the price (huawei is nearly £100 more) so might be worth the shot since the interface appeals much more...
Hopefully someone with one and a Z5(or anything but a Samsung) can tune in and tell me how crippling it is to not be on Samsung's infrastructure
I've just sold my Huawei Watch and am currently using a s2 classic, my thoughts....
never installed any apps on my Huawei barring watch faces and an app to ajdust screen on time, all I needed and I guess wanted was the stock apps.
Gear s2 is IMO a better watch and the interface is so intuitive, of it could swap S voice for Google then I'd be even happier , so far the s2 does all I need and I love the extra run time I get compared to android wear.
I also have a gear S running biktors wear port so I still have option to use android wear whenever I choose.
BTW I got my s2 classic on eBay for £110 so this is based on my thoughts and this price point.
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I've just sold my Huawei Watch and am currently using a s2 classic, my thoughts....
never installed any apps on my Huawei barring watch faces and an app to ajdust screen on time, all I needed and I guess wanted was the stock apps.
Gear s2 is IMO a better watch and the interface is so intuitive, of it could swap S voice for Google then I'd be even happier , so far the s2 does all I need and I love the extra run time I get compared to android wear.
I also have a gear S running biktors wear port so I still have option to use android wear whenever I choose.
BTW I got my s2 classic on eBay for £110 so this is based on my thoughts and this price point.
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Thank you for the insight. Are you running with a galaxy phone or something else?
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Honestly I don't think either are worth their retail price, be patient and grab a mint 2nd hand one and let someone else take the hit.
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It should be no problem getting the S2 to link to a Z5, I am running on a Nexus 6 with a CM-based custom ROM with no problems. Apparently, you can do more with an S2 and a Samsung phone but I am not missing anything I want.
I try to keep Google out of as much of my life as possible so the idea that Tizen is not integrated into the Google infra-structure is a plus for me. I know I am in the minority but you couldn't pay me to use Android Wear (or Apple for that matter).
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Well, despite leaning towards the Gear I just got a deal on Prime Day for the Huawei for under £200 so have sumped for that. Figure if I don't like it I can probably break even on selling on anyway
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I'm planning to buy either a Huawei Watch or a Samsung Gear S2 Classic soon, and the one piece of information I seem to be unable to find is a decent list of what apps are available for each?
Based on watching youtube videos I really prefer the interface on the S2, seems far more intuitive, but I don't want to find myself missing apps that I would find useful...
Anyone got one and find anything missing or know where I can find a list - google is failing me! Having come from Windows Phone to Android recently I dont want to back myself into an app hole again
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I think Tizen will improve in future and will add some best stuffs like android. I read here (Tizen vs android difference - .mindxmaster.com/2017/01/samsung-tizen-vs-google-android-compaision.html) Tizen is using HTML 5 apps and has better flexibility than android. Android has lots of apps in Google play store, which is an advantage over Tizen.
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I think Tizen will improve in future and will add some best stuffs like android.
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I have the Gear1, Gear2, GearS2 and use Tizen for about 3 years. I think I can count on the finger on ONE hand the new apps for Tizen since 3 years, so.......
I absolutely think it is the best phone currently in the market and all it needs is stock rom, to make it smoother faster and simpler.
Will it ever get stock android and how many are looking forward to it?
I wonder how many people are happy with TW and not bothered about custom roms or stock android?
I use Nova Launcher and very happy. Stock Android is dull as dishwater. I enjoy some of the Samsung apps. If you don't like them, disable them. Samsung won't ever provide stock. They'll have nothing to sell! Its not in their interest.
A S8+ with stock android would lose all of the features that make it a great phone. (ie. Edge apps, themes, bluetooth sound on 2 devices, IRIS Scanner, Gear VR, Samsung Pay)
Exactly. Giving the Galaxy S8 phones stock Android from Samsung itself would ruin the whole point of the Galaxy S8 phones. You would lose so many features that way that the Galaxy S8 / S8+ would just be a blinged out Pixel phone.
Ofc, having the ability to install a custom Stock Android version is always a nice idea to have for those who really want it. But having that as an option from Samsung directly is NOT a good idea.
EDIT: riz157, the UX / UI is not called TouchWiz anylonger. It's called Samsung Experience now on the Galaxy S8 phones. When Galaxy S6 and S7 phones got Android 7.0, they got the earlier Grace UX that was before Samsung Experience.
Just and FYI.......Bluetooth on two devices at the same time is a product of Bluetooth 5.0 not Samsung.
Used custom rom on my S7E, (AOSP - which sucked ass, no features, then I used SupermanROM and I sticked to that.
Now I got my S8+ and I'm pretty happy with Samsung experience, so I won't be doing anything at all, I'll keep my Knox: 0x0 for now.
Interesting looks like most people are quite happy with Samsung experience. Admittedly it's vastly improved from previous versions but still shows signs of delay lag etc.
Not as buttery smooth as stock android.
I personally don't use Samsung stock apps other then email app.
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I would love of the old GPE program came back. Then I'd be happy to spend $850 on a S8+ GPE. It's just WAY SMOOTHER and cleaner UI and always up to date. But Samsung makes the best hardware.
I love the S8+ and feel the Samsung features built into it help make it special. I always flash custom roms, but they keep many of the Samsung tools/TW tools I like. Having said that, I also like AOSP based roms and if the S7 Edge is any example, it won't be too long until we get some to play with on our S8+ phones sometime in the future. (it took about 8 months or close to a year before AOSP Roms were available on the S7 edge) - but considering how close the S7 is to the S8 - it may not take that long. Time will tell.
And NO I am not bothered - what is there to be bothered about?
I'm looking forward to more custom roms because it gives s8 more freedom and change the themes fonts etc easily without having to purchase from Samsung and be limited to their poor options.
Samsung are trying to be apple of android, want you to purchase from there store themes etc. So glad there's competition in android world otherwise we would be locked down to samsung and apple!!
Doubt it, and I am not bothered.
Personally I find the S8+ faster and mostly smoother than the Pixel I had before. Mainly because the Pixel lags to hell and back in apps like Instagram and Facebook whereas the Exynos S8+ doesn't.
Over time I am sure the S8+ will slow down but like PC's I will just "Format it" and it will back to being much faster and generally smoother than the Pixel (and less buggy than the pixel)
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I absolutely think it is the best phone currently in the market and all it needs is stock rom, to make it smoother faster and simpler.
Will it ever get stock android and how many are looking forward to it?
I wonder how many people are happy with TW and not bothered about custom roms or stock android?
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No, and no.
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Most people prefer TW, after using it for several weeks on my S8 plus I'm still not convinced.
I still would like stock and more custom Roma, at the moment there's not much choice which is a shame.
I certainly hope that changes in the coming weeks.
Not bothered at all. My personal opinion:
Want stock Android? Get a Pixel (or Nexus)
Want bleeding edge hardware? Get any flagship Android phone
The nice thing about Android is the individuality of each company brings. Samsung with its own Samsung UX for the S8 (not TouchWiz, not Grace UX), LG with their Full-Screen UX for the G6, Huawei with EMUI for their Mate 9 and P10, and so on.. They all put in their own features that would make their phones stand out. They all work quite well and I never had to install a launcher since my S6 Edge Plus. But still the option is there if you want/need to.
Has everybody forgotten that this happened once?
https://www.engadget.com/2013/07/06/samsung-galaxy-s-4-google-play-edition-review/
I would love to see a developer edition of this phone (aka stock android). I do like that TouchWiz isn't so smothering lately, but there are many aosp-isms that I miss.
My perfect phone would be a pixel that looked like an S8+ running stock Android. That would be one sexy piece of kit. I hope we can at least root and rom this puppy one day. I'm a dreamer...
samsung ui got better, but I'm using a moto z2 play now for half the price and......they understood perfectly what a manufacturer has to do. Moto has pretty much vanilla experience except of some apps, some add on funcionality, it's far more sexy than samsung. It's extremely speedier with half the price, it's a pain that samsung always bloat their software for no new functionalities (irid scanner? ahahahahah, samsung pay? ==> android pay, side apps? always the first thing I disable in samsung edges). It got better then natural ui on s4, yes, but that was a big ****, this is only a little and less smelly **** compared to stock experience....to me, obviously
This is dumb. If I wanted stock Android I wouldn't buy a Samsung.
You needing to take the time out of the day to write this is dumb lol