OMG!!! I ran my V10 over with Tahoe. - LG V10 General

So I was cleaning my rims on my Chevy Tahoe and I had the phone sitting on top the tire listening to Spotify and I was told to move my truck so I moved the bucket and stool I was sitting on but forgot my phone.. ? I drove forward and my dad screamed "STOP" then he said "add 300 to whatever you have to pay for since you just ran over your phone with both wheels" he then picked it up and held it out and said "I'll be damned it's fine." I grabbed it and dusted it off and looked at it amazed.. Not a mark... To be fair it did have a case a Versus High Pro Shield case but damn Im still pretty impressed. 99 Tahoe LT 4 door with 22's. 5500 lbs.. ??
BeameD From My LG V10... The one with the ALWAYS ON SCREEN... Watching me.. ?

It's suppose to be built strong, but drop in on a pillow and it will shatter... LoL That is the way it seems...

Oditius said:
It's suppose to be built strong, but drop in on a pillow and it will shatter... LoL That is the way it seems...
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yup that sounds about right lol hard core its ok, soft drop your f#$%'ed lol

Any chance you can link to the case? I'd also like car running over your phone protection lol.

That's how I got my V10...Lol. But my experience was not as good. Note 3, otterbox, and a double axle utility trailer with 4 tons of decorative landscape boulders...
Zdeuce2 now with golden rays of sunshine

Two days ago I dropped it accidentally on a hard ground, the drop was scary, surprisingly the V10 survived without even a scratch on the metal rim, and one day before that I removed the protective case but also it has tempered glass on the screen

This crazy girl I was talking to decided to take my v10 and throw it across her garage. (No case and brand new at the time) I went to pick it up just knowing it was cracked, nope. Minor scratches on the screen and some edge scratches but you do that to an iPhone and it's over. I was still pretty mad that someone would even do that though.

Oditius said:
It's suppose to be built strong, but drop in on a pillow and it will shatter... LoL That is the way it seems...
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Hello Oditius,
I am replying to your signature... My wife says if I need a baby boy, I need to get married to my computer that I kiss and romance all day everyday..... She said she doesnt wanna be a second option.......LOL AM I spending too much time on computer?

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Hello Oditius,
I am replying to your signature... My wife says if I need a baby boy, I need to get married to my computer that I kiss and romance all day everyday..... She said she doesnt wanna be a second option.......LOL AM I spending too much time on computer?
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If you bring it in your bedroom, than that is a possibility. LoL... :highfive:

Oditius said:
It's suppose to be built strong, but drop in on a pillow and it will shatter... LoL That is the way it seems...
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Oditius said:
If you bring it in your bedroom, than that is a possibility. LoL... :highfive:
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HAHAHAH..... That's funny

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Cracked Screen. :(

Do not drop this phone even with a case and screen protector.
What happen was I knock it off my desk to the wood floor and it fell on its side not on the screen and this is the result of it. Phone still works but the digitizer and LCD are both cracked. *Sigh*
At least I have insurance even if I don't want to use it.
I have a picture but I cant post it since I'm new so copy and paste it
i79.photobucket.com/albums/j152/LOCOLAPTOP/IMG_20110327_110125.jpg
LOCOLAPTOP said:
Do not drop this phone even with a case and screen protector.
What happen was I knock it off my desk to the wood floor and it fell on its side not on the screen and this is the result of it. Phone still works but the digitizer and LCD are both cracked. *Sigh*
At least I have insurance even if I don't want to use it.
I have a picture but I cant post it since I'm new.
Pic: i79.photobucket.com/albums/j152/LOCOLAPTOP/IMG_20110327_110125.jpg
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I was worried about this happening because the screen was so big I have a bad habit of leaving my phone in my lap while driving forgetting its there and drop it when I get out of the car. Did it with my droid alot never broke anything hope yours just hit the floor in the wrong spot. Does HTC use gorilla glass? does anyone know?
zer071 said:
I was worried about this happening because the screen was so big I have a bad habit of leaving my phone in my lap while driving forgetting its there and drop it when I get out of the car. Did it with my droid alot never broke anything hope yours just hit the floor in the wrong spot. Does HTC use gorilla glass? does anyone know?
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It's not Gorilla Glass.
Try buffing it out.
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wow that hurts
LOCOLAPTOP said:
Do not drop this phone even with a case and screen protector.
What happen was I knock it off my desk to the wood floor and it fell on its side not on the screen and this is the result of it. Phone still works but the digitizer and LCD are both cracked. *Sigh*
At least I have insurance even if I don't want to use it.
I have a picture but I cant post it since I'm new so copy and paste it
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That sucks, same thing happened to me about 2 weeks after I got the d2. I hate spending money on something, then having spend more money to get it replaced because I screwed up. I feel your pain.
man, that sucks
zer071 said:
I have a bad habit of leaving my phone in my lap while driving forgetting its there and drop it when I get out of the car
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I have seen so many people do this.
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man, that sucks
I have seen so many people do this.
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Just don't plug it in to charge then forget and get out. I've killed two chargers this way. That is why I buy the cheap retractable ones. A) cheap to replace, B) they just snap off, IE not doing much(if any) damage to the usb port of the phone.
zer071 said:
I was worried about this happening because the screen was so big I have a bad habit of leaving my phone in my lap while driving forgetting its there and drop it when I get out of the car. Did it with my droid alot never broke anything hope yours just hit the floor in the wrong spot. Does HTC use gorilla glass? does anyone know?
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Oh yah, done that!! In my truck nice 36 inch drop on pavement... My incredible survived it once.. Since then I make sure my phone is next to me.
It just sucks since I had to pay outright since I didn't want a contract.
Any word on when the otter box is coming out for this phone? I never had a case on my original droid but on this phone you need a good one.
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It just sucks since I had to pay outright since I didn't want a contract.
Any word on when the otter box is coming out for this phone? I never had a case on my original droid but on this phone you need a good one.
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Yea I feel like I need an Otterbox for this phone. For some reason it feels really fragile.
Sorry to hear about your loss. That happened to my nexus one the first week I got it.
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That's sad
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Gorilla glass won't save u either. Trust me been there done that
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quattr0 said:
Gorilla glass won't save u either. Trust me been there done that
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True but its worst without it.
I must be extremely lucky. The other day I dropped my phone as I was getting in the car and the door shut right on it. I didn't slam the door very hard so it didn't latch or anythinf, but I still feared the worst. Luckily nothing was Damaged.
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sorry for the lost, live and learn.
Its so hit or miss man. Ive dropped my Incredible from 5' off a breakfast bar onto tile and nothing but then you hear of others dropping on wood floors at a foot and utter destruction. It just takes that one special spot.
Hell look at the Nexus one when it first released, they had the videos showing the "Genetically altered" Glass they were using with little what looked like erasers bending the glass a million times and some sort of tumbler throwing it around to show the durability and then a week after release they said "The Nexus one should not be placed in pockets due to the high risk of stress cracks" Ahh duhh???!!!
wow i feel your pain. same happned to me with the droid 1
Did that to my EVO the second week I had it after launch. Another $100 I had to put into that phone.
No insurance on my Thunderbolt...we'll see how that plays out.

G2x Drop Test

So I was answering the phone while shutting the car door last night and lost grip of my G2x. Heard it hit the ground and initially was pretty pissed especially when I seen that it was laying screen down. I picked it up and inspected the screen and to my surprise Gorillas Glass lived up to its name and the screen doesnt have a scratch on it. There were some scratches on the battery cover that actually rubbed out using my finger and finger nail. There are couple small scratches on the phone it self but since their not on the screen they dont bother me. Heres some pics of the aftermath.
Glad it's still intact...thanks for the pics.
Good to hear, thanks for the pics.
You must drop it several times in a drop test. This isn't a true drop test.
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You must drop it several times in a drop test. This isn't a true drop test.
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You go first...
nraudigy2 said:
You must drop it several times in a drop test. This isn't a true drop test.
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Yeah let me get right on that...
nraudigy2 said:
You must drop it several times in a drop test. This isn't a true drop test.
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Damn, you made me laugh...Rofl!
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Damn, you made me laugh...Rofl!
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LMAOHAM :-D
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You dont have case on it? Pretty awesome that it survived that though.
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I had mine in my G1 slip case until I got my TPU delivered.
I was hanging up a call & dropped it onto the concrete floor out on the dock - this was like day 4 of having the thing. ~3-4' drop & slide....
Not a scratch on it.
So glad.
-bZj
dropping a $500 phone??!?!? NEVER
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I had mine in my G1 slip case until I got my TPU delivered.
I was hanging up a call & dropped it onto the concrete floor out on the dock - this was like day 4 of having the thing. ~3-4' drop & slide....
Not a scratch on it.
So glad.
-bZj
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sounds like you either need to stop drinking or need a flip phone (jk)
i have had this phone since launch (4/18 i got it in the mail)
and i have yet to drop it....
i almost knocked over a tower of pop tarts (wal-marts stupid towers of cheap sh*t by the food section) when i kinda waved my phone in the air like a moron and it slipped outta my hands
but saved it......
glad to hear its durable tho! just in case! thanks op for the pics!
Amazing what that glass can do..
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sounds like you either need to stop drinking or need a flip phone (jk)
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I wish I could have a nice brandy at work....
-bZj
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You dont have case on it? Pretty awesome that it survived that though.
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No im not into making my phones bigger than they are, I use a leather belt carry case and just a screen protector which hasnt came in yet so thats why it was dropped completely naked.

Nearly had a heart attack

So here i am, getting my phone. IT's fairly hot...of noes another SOD. I'm walking, take it out of the case. Take off the battery cover....and it slips. Im around 5 11 , and was holding it at chest height when it fell. No joke, it was like time stopped. I saw it fall slowly, without any protection
It hit the ground...and the battery flew out (obviously). I was scared even though the screen didnt crack. because the flipping Camera hit the ground first since it popped out!
At first, it wouldn't read the battery, and showed a question mark. A quick battery remove and insert fixed that.
It works fine, but after that momment, im scared to drop. Can't bear to see my baby damaged
Just wanted to share a story.
BTW: how durable are these phones? If it was my old iphone,.......uhh wouldnt have been so good. The plastic hasnt even been dented
BTW arethese hings like bulletproof. It's
The odds of a phone surviving being dropped is so variable that it is unpredictable except for obviously disastrous circumstances. Wear textured rubber gloves to reduce the potential of dropping it.
I remember when I dropped mine about 5 feet face down on asphalt/concrete whatever it was and I was so mad that I walked away. Didn't bother to even look if it was cracked because I thought it was done. I ended up picking it up and it was pefect. No scratches on the screen only on metal sidings.
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Core Memory said:
The odds of a phone surviving being dropped is so variable that it is unpredictable except for obviously disastrous circumstances. Wear textured rubber gloves to reduce the potential of dropping it.
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Well, that sounds a bit peculiar for just a phone
Blazing angel said:
Well, that sounds a bit peculiar for just a phone
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You are still on the G2x correct? I just checked mine, it has a small nick on the metal band. Nothing too bad though.
Blazing angel said:
Well, that sounds a bit peculiar for just a phone
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Also, the phone should wear protection, put the phone in a transparent condom.
This is why my phone is encased in lucite.
i usually carry my cell in this while on the go...
http://www.bulletproofvestshop.com/...ion-Level-IIIA-3A-Light-Weight-Bag-Brown.html
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This is why my phone is encased in lucite.
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Like an insect trapped in amber? If so, in millions of years, when aliens visit the burnt-out remnants of earth, they will find it and wonder why NVIDIA didn't provide the information developers needed.
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Like an insect trapped in amber? If so, in millions of years, when aliens visit the burnt-out remnants of earth, they will find it and wonder why NVIDIA didn't provide the information developers needed.
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Lol nice one.
Thanks for the link, I ordered one and ill make a review on it once it arrives
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i usually carry my cell in this while on the go...
http://www.bulletproofvestshop.com/...ion-Level-IIIA-3A-Light-Weight-Bag-Brown.html
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i usually carry my cell in this while on the go...
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You might want to put that bulletproof briefcase in this:
http://www.ecscase.com/shipping/valise-cases/valise-supreme-38f-case
That way, you're ready for anything. Well, almost anything.
Ya why not just put it in a underground bomb bunker while your at it, this is getting retarded!
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Ive dropped mines several times.. Not from.that high though and mostly on carpet.. I'm usually very careful with my phone.the phone is still in very good condition..this is one of the most under rated phones imo. Ive never kept a phone as long as this.. I love look and performance
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And I hate cases and screen protectors.. They take so much away from the phone
I dropped mine out of my lap onto a gravel driveway while getting out of the car. Screen shattered into a spider web. Wasn't very far down. Glad I have insurance. I agree that this phone is underated.
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Like an insect trapped in amber? If so, in millions of years, when aliens visit the burnt-out remnants of earth, they will find it and wonder why NVIDIA didn't provide the information developers needed.
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Word
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I've heard peolpe dropped theirs 3 feet and it breaks. Personally I dropped mine off a 15 foot ladder at work and it landed on sharply corrugated metal flooring face first. Heart skipped a beat, I went and pick it up and nothing at all happened No scratches, nothing. But then again, Gorilla glass is made to not scratch from metal so drop it on concrete and I wouldn't be to sure.
Ive dropped mine a few times, and in my case, the corners are pretty easily dented, like soft plastic.

Broke my s3 yesterday...

Damn thing fell from my pocket, landed on its side and broke the LCD. The glass screen is fine, and everything works, boots up okay, just the LCD. Usually I keep my phone in an otter box. The otter box protected the s3 when it slid off the seat and flew out of my jeep on the freeway and bounced across the concrete at 55mph. I didn't think about putting it back in its case when I went down to clean the shop with the misses and the damn thing met its maker from 4' off the concrete.
Insurance is sending another one and I'm out $100 but the worst part is I have to use my wife's old Samsung fascinate like some kind of ****ing Neanderthal. Ugh...
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Nooooooo! Another one bites the dust.
That first story is crazy lol. I can imagine a phone surviving a fall like that , but how the heck do you find the phone after falling on the freeway?
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That first story is crazy lol. I can imagine a phone surviving a fall like that , but how the heck do you find the phone after falling on the freeway?
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Not using Apple Maps would be step 1
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its a bad story for your device
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That first story is crazy lol. I can imagine a phone surviving a fall like that , but how the heck do you find the phone after falling on the freeway?
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It was still in the middle of the road.
No top, no doors on the heep. Sweeping left hand turn. Thing was sitting on the passenger seat, plugged in to the stereo. I went around the turn, saw it start to slip, reached down to grab it, ended up grabbing the cord and the cord popped out. Out the side she went!
I watched in horror in the rear view mirror the tumbles, flips, etc that the phone took. It was in the otterbox, in its holster as well when it hit the pavement. In the mirror, I watched it come apart in pieces. My heart sunk... That was it I thought.
I pulled off the road, and walked back. It was ~6am on a Saturday, I was on my way out to the bush to go hunt. The first piece was the clip to the holster... Then the holster... Then the phone itself lying face down. Ughhh
The rubber cover was peeled back from the phone. The hard plastic holster was mangled from hitting the pavement so many times. The rubber outside of the otterbox was pretty well scraped up too. I had to use my thumbnail to remove chunks of rocks from the rubber.
I could imagine the phone surviving that and didn't want to hit the button to unlock it. I walked all the way back to the heep before deciding to try it. I hit the home button and sure as ****, screen came on. Everything worked! There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Honestly, I was shocked. I just watched this thing tumble, flip, roll, bounce over and over again, and it still works?
I went about my day, came home, told the story to my better half. She was shocked. We weren't sure about spending the money on the otterbox in the first place. The next day, I called otterbox and told them the story, just like I'm telling you. I also sent them an email with the pictures of the mangled holster, the scrapes on the soft rubber shell and the scratch in the screen cover. You know what she told me?
"Your otterbox is under warranty. I'd like to send you a new one. Would you like a different color this time?"
You've got to be ****ing kidding me.
They shipped me out a brand new, white otterbox to replace my scratched fell out the door of the heep on the freeway at 55mph cause I'm a moron black case. I didn't know anyone did business like that anymore.
So here I have two otter boxes. One mangled, but still functional. One brand new in their glacier color. The old mangled black one gets used for hunting and fishing, down in the shop when I'm working. The white one gets used when we go to town or anytime the phone won't be in harms way.
I'd been having a charging problem lately. ****in thing won't charge for ****. On a fresh battery pull, it'll charge no problem but any time on the battery and you plug it in, it's super slow. There's no wake lock or anything keeping the CPUs high according to bbs so I'm not sure what the issue is. I had just pulled the battery when the misses and I decided to go down and clean the shop.
First thing I pick up. Pulls down the front pocket of my jacket where the phone is sitting and.. You know the rest.
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Sorry to hear that. Mine never comes out the otterbox. ...ever... best money I have ever spent
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Which Otterbox did you have? Sounds like the defender since you mentioned the clip, but I'm just curious as I have the commuter. I haven't anything to really test out its capabilities yet.
Thanks for sharing that rather unique story.
Perhaps you might consider some sort of automobile mount for the phone, since you mentioned driving a car with no doors? No sense tempting fate again, I figure.
- ooofest
Brian Gove said:
Which Otterbox did you have? Sounds like the defender since you mentioned the clip, but I'm just curious as I have the commuter. I haven't anything to really test out its capabilities yet.
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It is the defender. Makes it bulky as **** but protects well.
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Thanks for sharing that rather unique story.
Perhaps you might consider some sort of automobile mount for the phone, since you mentioned driving a car with no doors? No sense tempting fate again, I figure.
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Yeah, you're right. I should.
Know of any that fit the otter box defender? Lol
I'm never taking my phone out of it again.
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I tripped coming up my front steps and my S3 flew out of the breast pocket of my shirt. Corner of the phone hit my concrete stoop and it did a flip or two before ending up face down.
It bent the corner of the metal case a little and it has a few scrapes but otherwise it's fine. Nothing but an Invisible Shield on the screen. And that's all it'll ever have on it. Can't stand the bulk of cases like that.
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I tripped coming up my front steps and my S3 flew out of the breast pocket of my shirt. Corner of the phone hit my concrete stoop and it did a flip or two before ending up face down.
It bent the corner of the metal case a little and it has a few scrapes but otherwise it's fine. Nothing but an Invisible Shield on the screen. And that's all it'll ever have on it. Can't stand the bulk of cases like that.
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The commuter isn't bulky at all...
Lucky you. I just got my refurb today but $150. Sprint though.
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You don't need a vehicle mount when cup holders work just fine
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Know of any that fit the otter box defender? Lol
I'm never taking my phone out of it again.
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I read some comments that an Arkon mobile mount for the Galaxy Note can accommodate a Galaxy S III in the Defender case. The nice iBolt mount can only handle a GS3 with the Commuter case.
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You don't need a vehicle mount when cup holders work just fine
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^ this
Usually that's where I have it.
It was totally a bonehead moron ****ing move for me to leave it on the seat thinking it would stay there.. seriously. I still don't know wtf I was thinking.
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I read some comments that an Arkon mobile mount for the Galaxy Note can accommodate a Galaxy S III in the Defender case. The nice iBolt mount can only handle a GS3 with the Commuter case.
- ooofest
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Thanks, I'll look into them.
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Insurance is sending another one and I'm out $100 but the worst part is I have to use my wife's old Samsung fascinate like some kind of ****ing Neanderthal. Ugh...
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LOL... Neanderthal.. that gave me a good laugh.

broke my v20

Well guys I dropped the phone and screen cracked. Going to get a replacement on Wed. Don't drop your v20s face first they will break
Bro are you clumsy?
I was chasing someone and it was in my back pocket and fell out
Did you have a case on it? If so, which one?
So much for the stringent drop testing. I would say probably 90% of my drops somehow end up being screen down.
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Bro are you clumsy?
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Sounds like they pulled a "cobbers"
LOL! That's why even though it says shockproof, i always buy a cover prior to the arrival of the phone. On the other hand, my cover arrives on tuesday and i already got the phone (it arrived 2 days before it was supposed to arrive LOL) so i wont take the phone with me to college on monday nor tuesday
Yeah I'm going to file a claim in Tuesday and I will get a case lol
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Yeah I'm going to file a claim in Tuesday and I will get a case lol
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Out of curiosity...did the camera glass shatter to, or just the digitizer?
Just the glass I can still use the phone
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Just the glass I can still use the phone
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Any damage to the camera lens cover/glass?
FWIW,I feel your angst,dropped mine 1hr after taking delivery.
Fortunately,I had mine in a neoprene sleeve,no damage whatsoever.
Dropped mine naked from about 3 feet apx. She bounced after a sickening thud. Back and edges scratched and chipped, screen no sign of damage but maybe I got lucky. Wind took this gigantic awesome device right out of my hand.
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Well guys I dropped the phone and screen cracked. Going to get a replacement on Wed. Don't drop your v20s face first they will break
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1st to get the phone and 1st to drop it! Damn sorry for your misfortune, that insurance claim will Make your V20 Great Again! LoL
No no damage to that
Good thing about the insurance claim is that being so early on you'll get a new not a referb
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I was chasing someone and it was in my back pocket and fell out
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Well I hope you caught the person you were chasing. Lol
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Lol my girlfriend nah I had to run back to my wife after she fell lmfao lol
I dropped mine twice naked on the corners , wood & linoleum, I hate how the phone is so old school the battery & battery cover go flying... Lol
That damn metal cover sounds like a symbol when it hits the ground.
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Thats why I started using those wallet cases. lol
DLovo313 said:
I dropped mine twice naked on the corners , wood & linoleum, I hate how the phone is so old school the battery & battery cover go flying... Lol
That damn metal cover sounds like a symbol when it hits the ground.
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I prefer to call them metaphors or similes myself.

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