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Asus pushing ICS starting next week....still no updates for NS4G

http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-says-bootloader-unlock-tool-coming-gps-hard-yall
so, I know I personally am absolutely 100% enraged to read about this, since we still haven't heard anything about an official ota for NS4G.
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!

Ya, it is a bit disturbing.
Well, the work week just started back up for them, so maybe we will hear something in the next couple days?

hp420 said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-says-bootloader-unlock-tool-coming-gps-hard-yall
so, I know I personally am absolutely 100% enraged to read about this, since we still haven't heard anything about an official ota for NS4G.
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Sprint says we'll be "among the first" to updates, not "the first".
hp420 said:
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
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I'd be amazed if this is Google's doing.
Sprint's website says "It runs Android™ 2.3 (Gingerbread) the latest version of Android for smartphones." They're the ones that are clueopenic, not Google.
Don't get me wrong: I'm plenty annoyed at not getting OTA ICS. It's just that I don't actually expect Sprint to live up to their promises, since this is not something they've ever tended to do in the past. Sprint users go through this with every software update for every platform on every phone.

mstevens said:
Sprint says we'll be "among the first" to updates, not "the first".
I'd be amazed if this is Google's doing.
Sprint's website says "It runs Android™ 2.3 (Gingerbread) the latest version of Android for smartphones." They're the ones that are clueopenic, not Google.
Don't get me wrong: I'm plenty annoyed at not getting OTA ICS. It's just that I don't actually expect Sprint to live up to their promises, since this is not something they've ever tended to do in the past. Sprint users go through this with every software update for every platform on every phone.
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The update does come directly from Google. Sprint works with Samsung to create proprietary hardware drivers that contain everything you need to access Sprint's cell phone network. These drivers are then made available in binary only form to Google. Google then adds these drivers to their official build. The final product is then delivered directly from Google to your Nexus S 4G phone.
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this quote came from sprint community forums. http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/380145#380145
Sprint does NOT provide our update...google does. Google is falling behind, and they need to be held accountable for their screw-ups. Just because they didn't say "NS4G will be the first" does not make it acceptable for 3rd parties to get an update before they can even get off their lazy asses just to push a button for their OFFICIAL FIRST-PARTY USERS. Everything we need is on their server for download, and if devs here can get off their asses top compile this rom, google sure as hell can do the same!!!

No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.

mstevens said:
No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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Source or GTFO. And we've already got the drivers, I'm using ICS on my NS4G right now. 4g and everything.

mstevens said:
No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
I'm not saying you're wrong, but in my opinion, it does not look like it's sprint's fault. It looks like Google is either lazy about releasing it, or they are too dumb to build a rom that's working properly so it's stuck in pre-release testing. However, this is just my opinion....but as far as actually building/releasing the OTA, that is 100% on google's end. whether or not the authorization is coming/has to come from sprint is another story entirely....the point is, if that is the case, google isn't doing their jobs and telling them to screw themselves so they don't look like the bad guy in this!! It's not sprint who will have the damaged reputation after this is all said & done.

jesusice said:
Source or GTFO. And we've already got the drivers, I'm using ICS on my NS4G right now. 4g and everything.
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<shrug> it's the way it's always worked.
This worked in our favor earlier when Sprint okayed deployment of Google Wallet on our devices and GSM users were foaming at the mouth to get it. In those cases, too, it wasn't Google (which has excellent reasons for getting Wallet into as many hands as possible) but the carriers which held up release.
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hp420 said:
lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
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No.
What is the connection between having all the files on the server and Sprint's approval of a final release version?
In your earlier quote lifted from another site, the poster was saying the updates are pushed from Google's servers, not Sprints. That's correct. However, they can't just start pushing updates without carrier approval. This is why, for example, T-Mobile got ICS before ATT.

mstevens said:
<shrug> it's the way it's always worked.
This worked in our favor earlier when Sprint okayed deployment of Google Wallet on our devices and GSM users were foaming at the mouth to get it. In those cases, too, it wasn't Google (which has excellent reasons for getting Wallet into as many hands as possible) but the carriers which held up release.
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No.
What is the connection between having all the files on the server and Sprint's approval of a final release version?
In your earlier quote lifted from another site, the poster was saying the updates are pushed from Google's servers, not Sprints. That's correct. However, they can't just start pushing updates without carrier approval. This is why, for example, T-Mobile got ICS before ATT.
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that was a result of carriers' investment in other companies that developed very similar software to google wallet....exactly the same as when the GN was delayed for verizon because google wanted wallet on their official device and verizon had a coronary about it because they had already backed another company's software that does exactly the same thing.
as for carrier approval, google can only wait so long before they just snap and push the update anyway. carriers can not make the rest of the world wait for an update just because they don't want it released to their devices yet. Google needs to just ***** slap sprint, tell them to shut the hell up, and push the update before this damages their reputation any more than it already has. Like I said, it won't be sprint whose rep is damaged from all of this, just like no one looks towards verizon for the GN delay...the world will blame google, and they aren't even standing up for themselves.

hp420 said:
lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
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Sure, they could build ICS for the NS4G but the 4G radio wouldn't work. Drivers aren't part of AOSP.
Also, didn't Google pulled the ICS update for the (tmobile) Nexus S? If that's still true, they're clearly working out the issues with ICS before releasing it to the NS4G, etc.

It is most likely *not* Googles doing. I don't know where half of you get these crack pot ideas from that Google or any other OEM is in control over how and when they push an update.
- OEM builds ROM
- OEM submits ROM to carriers (i.e. Sprint branded phone would require Sprint to approve the update).
Carriers can be total dicks about updates and providing OTA. I've seen it all first hand from when I had a Motorola Milestone (Motorola telling us the 2.1 has been built and has gone through testing but they are waiting for carriers to approve them on their networks) we had to waiting months for the updates due to some carriers.

nside said:
Sure, they could build ICS for the NS4G but the 4G radio wouldn't work. Drivers aren't part of AOSP.
Also, didn't Google pulled the ICS update for the (tmobile) Nexus S? If that's still true, they're clearly working out the issues with ICS before releasing it to the NS4G, etc.
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Driver binaries are on Google's servers for nexus devices. 100% built from source and 4g works just fine.....
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium

we are waiting for sprint to approve the new radio that will come with the ota. That is what causes the holdup.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium

maybe Google is still fixing what does not go to ics now and then....maybe xD we can see ics on all nexus ^^

hp420 said:
that was a result of carriers' investment in other companies that developed very similar software to google wallet...
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Precisely. I'm glad you finally see my point that Google can't just push out an update because they want to, but are hampered by needing carrier approval.
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hp420 said:
carriers can not make the rest of the world wait for an update just because they don't want it released to their devices yet.
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When did this start being true?
It's absolutely true that carriers CAN prevent official release of an update for any reason, or for no reason. They've done it many times before and they'll do it again. Sprint has a long track record of doing exactly this.
hp420 said:
Google needs to just ***** slap sprint, tell them to shut the hell up, and push the update
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You have an awfully lot to learn about how contracts work.
If I run a massive business and another massive business violates my contract with them (for example, pushes an unapproved update to what I think of as "my" devices irrespective of the beliefs or desires of my subscribers), many lawyers are going to be fed and I will expect a massive transfer of assets from that other company to mine.

mstevens is dead on. Sprint will not allow the push of an ota until they can be sure this update won't toast peoples phones, and for the people in the world that have a nxs4g and don't do modding, if the update is broken, they can't just fix what Google's update did. My brother has the GSM version, and received the update, and honestly were not missing anything. The user made roms are already becoming superior builds anyway. We will eventually get the update, I for one am glad sprint said no at the moment though, I would hate to waste my time on a broken ota lol
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lol...too many people to quote you all, so I'm gonna do my best to answer everyone
Ok, I understand how contracts work. My point is this: yes, google has a contract with sprint (or any other carrier, for that matter) to provide radios, wimax drivers, what-have-you, and I understand that if sprint won't sign, there's not much the manufacturer can do...I get that. But my biggest concern with all of this is that google is not flexing their muscles. They have made a guarantee to their customers (not explicit, but still implied) that they would provide ALL NEXUS UPDATES in a timely manner. Sprint is now holding google back from seeing this implied promise carried through, and the fact that other manufacturers are already pushing full ota updates now makes google look bad (grounds for a lawsuit).
I understand that if google were to break that contract by circumventing sprint by releasing the update anyway, they could be sued...I get that. However, google could also counter-sue for making customers wait an unreasonable amount of time for an update that is, by all rights, a "god-given right" to all nexus users prior to anyone else getting it.
Now let's talk about how many people use an NS4G to develop software that they get paid top develop. By sprint not releasing an official update, they are now inhibiting developers from doing business, and therefore they are taking money out of people's pockets. Yes, I know this last example is far-fetched a little bit, but honestly, it's really not all that far off. Yeah, people can just compile aosp themselves, and if they are truly developers, they should know how to do that....but let's say they are working on one particular app that is exclusive for sprint users, and they want to make sure it will run properly on sprint's network via an ICS handset....oh, wait...they can't because sprint are a bunch of lazy pieces of **** who won't sign. This is grounds for class-action, IMHO.
I may not be a lawyer, but it's blatantly obvious to me that if sprint holds out long enough, they are absolutely 100% vulnerable to class-action suits...and maybe even a suit from google, as well. Let's face it, no one but sprint & google execs really know the terms of the contract, but for all we know, it IS in the contract to provide timely updates. If this is the case, I hope someone gets sued like a SOB for this delay, because it's unacceptable!!!!!

hp420 said:
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
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I suggest that this LARGE chunk of nexus users may be better served by one of the many other smartphone mfrs who provided a pure ICS update (i.e. no BS extra UI layer and no bloat) over the holiday. Which one will you choose? Oh, wait.
hp420 said:
I hope someone gets sued like a SOB for this delay, because it's unacceptable!!!!!
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Really. You want a lawsuit, because a bunch of software developers wouldn't work at your whim over the nation's biggest holiday?

The111 said:
I suggest that this LARGE chunk of nexus users may be better served by one of the many other smartphone mfrs who provided a pure ICS update (i.e. no BS extra UI layer and no bloat) over the holiday. Which one will you choose? Oh, wait.
Really. You want a lawsuit, because a bunch of software developers wouldn't work at your whim over the nation's biggest holiday?
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actually, since the drivers, kernel, etc. was all pushed to google's update servers WELL over a week before christmas, they wouldn't have been working during the holiday at all to get it pushed to NS4g...they just had to click a few buttons....something I've done a few hundred thousand times in the last 5 minutes.
BTW, no need to be a smartass about it. if I want to switch from nexus to get a pure android ui, I can always just root and modify the ota to have a stock theme. So now what do you have to say about that, smartass??? Oh wait...
tool.

hp420 said:
actually, since the drivers, kernel, etc. was all pushed to google's update servers WELL over a week before christmas, they wouldn't have been working during the holiday at all to get it pushed to NS4g...they just had to click a few buttons....something I've done a few hundred thousand times in the last 5 minutes.
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You're making multiple assumptions. You assume that by the existence of particular source files on a particular server, you know what Google's stance as to the public release candidacy of a compiled package is. Please explain why you believe this. There are only two ways we could know such a thing:
1) Google publicly declares it (i.e. this compiled package IS ready for public use... or vice versa)
2) Google actually pushes the compiled package (in the absence of such an action, the logical assumption to make is that they are not ready to do such a thing yet, for their own reasons... i.e. there is still something else they need to do. NOT that they are "too lazy/stupid to push a few buttons")
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BTW, no need to be a smartass about it. if I want to switch from nexus to get a pure android ui, I can always just root and modify the ota to have a stock theme. So now what do you have to say about that, smartass??? Oh wait...
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You're right, the sarcasm is 100% optional. It's an option that I quite enjoy though. I won't, however, stoop to personal attacks.
How about this. Sarcasm removed for you, I will ask the question that was clearly evident in my last post. If you decide to "leave Google" because of your discontent, which handset vendor will you turn to? Who do you believe is a better option? Who will give you a pure Android update in a shorter timespan? I am genuinely (no sarcasm) interested!

Does Samsung know they sold Gear S2's in the USA?

We're going on 2 months since other countries and markets received updates addressing the "screen on time" and "lack of weather updates". What gives Samsung??? Why are you ignoring the SM-R732 R732XXU2AOJ3 models??? :crying:

R730TUVU1AOL3... I got that from T mobile 3-4 weeks ago. Do you have a Great s2 or Gear s2 3g?
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cyko said:
We're going on 2 months since other countries and markets received updates addressing the "screen on time" and "lack of weather updates". What gives Samsung??? Why are you ignoring the SM-R732 R732XXU2AOJ3 models??? :crying:
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Maybe they have not yet updated the SM-R732's (non-3g) in the U.S. because they are simply a huge bureaucratic global corporation where one part doesn't know what the other parts are doing. But the U.S. is also one of the few markets that have been offering the 3G versions at all, so it could be that they need (or want) to roll out specific updates for the S2s tied to carriers (Verizon, AT&T, etc.) that fix issues peculiar to the 3G versions (e.g., battery life) before they roll out the update for the non-3Gs.
Another possibility is that they're about to release the Samsung Pay update that enables the NFC capabilities, and so those of us in the U.S. will leapfrog the modest update that people started getting back in November. One can hope.

NinjaMom said:
R730TUVU1AOL3... I got that from T mobile 3-4 weeks ago. Do you have a Great s2 or Gear s2 3g?
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I have the Gear S2, you know, the one that came out BEFORE your T-Mobile 3G. Nice of Samsung to update the carrier models and completely ignore the early adopters that didn't want 3G.

tstreete said:
Maybe they have not yet updated the SM-R732's (non-3g) in the U.S. because they are simply a huge bureaucratic global corporation where one part doesn't know what the other parts are doing. But the U.S. is also one of the few markets that have been offering the 3G versions at all, so it could be that they need (or want) to roll out specific updates for the S2s tied to carriers (Verizon, AT&T, etc.) that fix issues peculiar to the 3G versions (e.g., battery life) before they roll out the update for the non-3Gs.
Another possibility is that they're about to release the Samsung Pay update that enables the NFC capabilities, and so those of us in the U.S. will leapfrog the modest update that people started getting back in November. One can hope.
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One things for sure - Samsung is ignoring their S2 customer base in the US. No update, no discussion, no acknowledgement at all. I will reconsider my next Samsun purchase if this is their customer service standard.
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cyko said:
We're going on 2 months since other countries and markets received updates addressing the "screen on time" and "lack of weather updates". What gives Samsung??? Why are you ignoring the SM-R732 R732XXU2AOJ3 models??? :crying:
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I got the weather update to work by using the stock weather on my Note 4. Now it updates as it should. If you don't have a Samsung phone or if you've rooted I don't know if it'll work. I had to delete all the other weather apps though and I liked Transparent Weather. But if I'm using the Gear to get weather then I don't really need my phone that much.

I wonder if it is possible to "hide" a phone behind European proxy and try to update watch? Maybe sim card needs to be removed in case phone checking for location even with wifi on.

rogerperk said:
One things for sure - Samsung is ignoring their S2 customer base in the US. No update, no discussion, no acknowledgement at all. I will reconsider my next Samsun purchase if this is their customer service standard.
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I got the weather update to work by using the stock weather on my Note 4. Now it updates as it should. If you don't have a Samsung phone or if you've rooted I don't know if it'll work. I had to delete all the other weather apps though and I liked Transparent Weather. But if I'm using the Gear to get weather then I don't really need my phone that much.
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Well, back to not updating. How weird is that? Gotta get this fixed, Samsung. Assuming, of course, there actually IS an update out there. Somewhere. Maybe.

Just got all excited! Had an update for my S2 and did the install. Nope. Still the same old AOJ system on the watch. I"m hatin' me some Samsung right now. Anyone else get that today? Any idea what it is??
AND I lost all but 2 of my watch faces even though I backed them up. This sort of poor coordination and customer support is unacceptable.

rogerperk said:
Just got all excited! Had an update for my S2 and did the install. Nope. Still the same old AOJ system on the watch. I"m hatin' me some Samsung right now. Anyone else get that today? Any idea what it is??
AND I lost all but 2 of my watch faces even though I backed them up. This sort of poor coordination and customer support is unacceptable.
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It is an update to the app itself (Gear Manager, Plugin) and not the software update. This is what we've been getting since the devices launched.

gire.prasad said:
It is an update to the app itself (Gear Manager, Plugin) and not the software update. This is what we've been getting since the devices launched.
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I figured. I got one a couple months ago too. Any idea what it does? Besides delete my existing stuff?

rogerperk said:
I figured. I got one a couple months ago too. Any idea what it does? Besides delete my existing stuff?
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It just shows you the battery left on your S2 in the app. It is present under software update menu.
Link: http://samsung.hdblog.it/2016/01/25/Nuovo-aggiornamento-per-Samsung-Gear-Manager/

gire.prasad said:
It just shows you the battery left on your S2 in the app. It is present under software update menu.
Link: http://samsung.hdblog.it/2016/01/25/Nuovo-aggiornamento-per-Samsung-Gear-Manager/
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Great. Cuz I really needed that. Oh well. I'll keep waiting.

rogerperk said:
One things for sure - Samsung is ignoring their S2 customer base in the US.
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You're in for a rude awakening if you think the Gear S2 is going to receive regular or frequent updates in the U.S. or anywhere else. The Gear S on AT&T never received an update the rest of the world received months earlier and only got one stability update from its original launch s/w.
Samsung typically gets their watches stable and leaves them there moving on to the next watch for any additional features. All Gear S2's will probably receive two or three updates then die there. Carrier versions may get fewer depending on each carrier's mood. We'll get Samsung Pay and that might require an OS update on the watch but if history repeats itself that'll be it. The Gear S3 will be out a year-ish after the S2 and will have features and enhancements that won't be passed down. That's just the way it is.
P.S. - I knew this coming from two previous Gear's and bought it anyway.

BarryH_GEG said:
You're in for a rude awakening if you think the Gear S2 is going to receive regular or frequent updates in the U.S. or anywhere else. The Gear S on AT&T never received an update the rest of the world received months earlier and only got one stability update from its original launch s/w.
Samsung typically gets their watches stable and leaves them there moving on to the next watch for any additional features. All Gear S2's will probably receive two or three updates then die there. Carrier versions may get fewer depending on each carrier's mood. We'll get Samsung Pay and that might require an OS update on the watch but if history repeats itself that'll be it. The Gear S3 will be out a year-ish after the S2 and will have features and enhancements that won't be passed down. That's just the way it is.
P.S. - I knew this coming from two previous Gear's and bought it anyway.
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No doubt. Luckily I like the watch, even with one or two things off. What I don't like is being ignored so when I do buy again I'll probably go Moto and HTC.

BarryH_GEG said:
You're in for a rude awakening if you think the Gear S2 is going to receive regular or frequent updates in the U.S. or anywhere else. The Gear S on AT&T never received an update the rest of the world received months earlier and only got one stability update from its original launch s/w.
Samsung typically gets their watches stable and leaves them there moving on to the next watch for any additional features. All Gear S2's will probably receive two or three updates then die there. Carrier versions may get fewer depending on each carrier's mood. We'll get Samsung Pay and that might require an OS update on the watch but if history repeats itself that'll be it. The Gear S3 will be out a year-ish after the S2 and will have features and enhancements that won't be passed down. That's just the way it is.
P.S. - I knew this coming from two previous Gear's and bought it anyway.
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Well - the rest of the world has received TWO UPDATES to their S2 and the Carriers have at least received one update since I got mine in December. I don't necessarily expect frequent updates, but when the rest of the world gets 2 updates and I've YET to receive 1 of them, it gets EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING. Between this and almost NO APPS, can't say I'll think about the S3!!

bdtnrp said:
Well - the rest of the world has received TWO UPDATES to their S2 and the Carriers have at least received one update since I got mine in December. I don't necessarily expect frequent updates, but when the rest of the world gets 2 updates and I've YET to receive 1 of them, it gets EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING. Between this and almost NO APPS, can't say I'll think about the S3!!
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You must not have done a lot of research. You buy a Gear for its advanced capabilities when paired with a late model Samsung phone. Third party apps have always been thin and that'll most likely continue. The core apps are strong. All smartwatches, especially those that need to be tethered, are a solution looking for a problem. At least the S2 is comfortable and stylish at doing what it does.

SEARING HOT s8 plus question, of when will we less fortunate GET FULL BIXBY VOICE

We in the US of A, should by right should not have to wait another month to get the full on bixby voice for the s8s. i know im to check the galaxy app for updates, but trying to side load apks for bixby is MOOT.unless Samsung server sees device, its worthless. i hate half baked bixby. assistant isnt all that good anyway.
btw..........testers, did you have to get apps in galaxy store before it worked.

lostagain2day said:
We in the US of A, should by right should not have to wait another month to get the full on bixby voice for the s8s. i know im to check the galaxy app for updates, but trying to side load apks for bixby is MOOT.unless Samsung server sees device, its worthless. i hate half baked bixby. assistant isnt all that good anyway.
btw..........testers, did you have to get apps in galaxy store before it worked.
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I disagree. First off it was KNOWN before the devices sold would NOT have it out of the box. If it bothered me that much I wouldn't have bought it instead of buying and claiming it's by right. That will do more than what you are doing. #firstworldproblems
Now with that said...
Yes people got updates prior to it going live for beta tester. There's a tiny thread that got buried with screenshots.
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Tidbits said:
I disagree. First off it was KNOWN before the devices sold would NOT have it out of the box. If it bothered me that much I wouldn't have bought it instead of buying and claiming it's by right. That will do more than what you are doing. #firstworldproblems
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Yes people got updates prior to it going live for beta tester. There's a tiny thread that got buried with screenshots.
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I CALLED SAMSUNG BIXBY SUPPORT, an insider said the 28th or a day later. will update when it takes place.

upgrade to android 11 or stay on 10

it is so frustrating that they release phones so often with no chance to really refines them. then there is google that puts out versions of android before developers get a chance to master or migrate fully to the latter.
i heard the new storage security in android 11 can cause hiccups like slow loading and crashes due to the new storage activity due to the new security rules.
should i stay on android 10 just like so many stayed on android 4.x.x for so long to keep compatibility
Just look at xda's complaint on scooped storage
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-11-features-developers-new-apis/

gloege said:
it is so frustrating that they release phones so often with no chance to really refines them. then there is google that puts out versions of android before developers get a chance to master or migrate fully to the latter.
i heard the new storage security in android 11 can cause hiccups like slow loading and crashes due to the new storage activity due to the new security rules.
should i stay on android 10 just like so many stayed on android 4.x.x for so long to keep compatibility
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I'm going to upgrade ASAP, never had any issues with the upgrades and I've been in android since 2009.

update to 11 with no second thoughts

Upgrade. No 2nd thoughts about it.

ggrant3876 said:
I'm going to upgrade ASAP, never had any issues with the upgrades and I've been in android since 2009.
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Check out the link i put in the original post. Even xda sees scooped storage as a failure. Just scroll down to scooped storage

gloege said:
Check out the link i put in the original post. Even xda sees scooped storage as a failure. Just scroll down to scooped storage
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I did and as I said I've never had any issues with an update in 11 years. I'm sure Sammy will have it figured out before they release it. All my phones have been rooted until the Note 7, and you take more chance flashing a rom written by some dev than an update from a major player.

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I did and as I said I've never had any issues with an update in 11 years. I'm sure Sammy will have it figured out before they release it. All my phones have been rooted until the Note 7, and you take more chance flashing a rom written by some dev than an update from a major player.
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But samsung does not work or develop the third party apps or what not that you install on your phone. Any unsupported app you use will likely be crippled(heard that loading times can be 100× longer to start the app) and any dev too aggravated to to fix it may stop supporting his or her project. Also most devs have not even cought up to android 10. Yea i hope to many update and google learns their error in this mess

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But samsung does not work or develop the third party apps or what not that you install on your phone. Any unsupported app you use will likely be crippled(heard that loading times can be 100× longer to start the app) and any dev too aggravated to to fix it may stop supporting his or her project. Also most devs have not even cought up to android 10. Yea i hope to many update and google learns their error in this mess
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If it does happen and I seriously doubt it, I'll just reflash with odin and restore my backup. My glass is half full, not half empty. I have friends on other forums running 11 beta on Pixels with no issues.

Am I in a pixel or oneplus thread? Note 20 ultra users most likely get Android 11 before March 2021 and chances are that any kinks should be ironed out by then. I don't understand why this conversation needs to happen this early.
Edit: https://www.phonearena.com/news/sam...-android-11-update-one-ui-3-t-mobile_id127042
Guess I stand corrected! One Ui 3.0 AKA Android 11 is already in Beta in South Korea and coming to T-mobile according to this article.
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it is so frustrating that they release phones so often with no chance to really refines them. then there is google that puts out versions of android before developers get a chance to master or migrate fully to the latter.
i heard the new storage security in android 11 can cause hiccups like slow loading and crashes due to the new storage activity due to the new security rules.
should i stay on android 10 just like so many stayed on android 4.x.x for so long to keep compatibility
Just look at xda's complaint on scooped storage
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-11-features-developers-new-apis/
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I will absolutely update as soon as its available. I always sign up for the beta each year to get the update ASAP. Most people complain that Samsung doesn't update fast enough. Haven't heard anyone complain yet that they update TOO fast, LOL.
These concerns happen every year, and they always end up being a non-issue.
As far as app compatibility issues, that's the developers' issues. They are advised long in advance what they need to do to remain compatible with the current OS.
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Am I in a pixel or oneplus thread? Note 20 ultra users most likely get Android 11 before March 2021 and chances are that any kinks should be ironed out by then. I don't understand why this conversation needs to happen this early.
Edit: https://www.phonearena.com/news/sam...-android-11-update-one-ui-3-t-mobile_id127042
Guess I stand corrected! One Ui 3.0 AKA Android 11 is already in Beta in South Korea and coming to T-mobile according to this article.
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Yup! Sammy has stepped up their update game the last few years. I think last year they were pushing the official Android 10 before the end of the year to some devices. I think, but I could be wrong. I know it was earlier than the previous years.

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I will absolutely update as soon as its available. I always sign up for the beta each year to get the update ASAP. Most people complain that Samsung doesn't update fast enough. Haven't heard anyone complain yet that they update TOO fast, LOL.
These concerns happen every year, and they always end up being a non-issue.
As far as app compatibility issues, that's the developers' issues. They are advised long in advance what they need to do to remain compatible with the current OS.
Yup! Sammy has stepped up their update game the last few years. I think last year they were pushing the official Android 10 before the end of the year to some devices. I think, but I could be wrong. I know it was earlier than the previous years.
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Guess you just lucked out. But i try not to be the one stuck with a dodgy os. When they updated to android 5 no phone would run my fave application and then the android 5 memory leak. Not to mention other things os updates can bring untill they fix them. And that is googles fault not the phone maker

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Guess you just lucked out. But i try not to be the one stuck with a dodgy os. When they updated to android 5 no phone would run my fave application and then the android 5 memory leak. Not to mention other things os updates can bring untill they fix them. And that is googles fault not the phone maker
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LOL. I don't think I lucked out. I think issues with OS updates are far less common than you think. I'd say you are definitely in the minority.
I've been on Android since the original Moto Droid. I've had almost every Moto, LG, Samsung, Nexus, and Pixel. I've been through beta OS updates, official updates, side loaded updates, unofficial ported updates, you name it.
You're going back 5 YEARS and saying because an update broke your favorite application, that Google/Samsung updates too often? Is every update perfect? No, but they certainly don't break everything the way you think they do.

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Android updates on Samsung phones are always an anti-climax. Samsung tend to have implemented all the best features that a new Android update brings already. What you end up with is a range of bugs or security features that break your apps. I will always go for the update that's offered but I am not excited about it or bothered if there's a delay in any roll outs.
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I will absolutely update as soon as its available. I always sign up for the beta each year to get the update ASAP. Most people complain that Samsung doesn't update fast enough. Haven't heard anyone complain yet that they update TOO fast, LOL.
These concerns happen every year, and they always end up being a non-issue.
As far as app compatibility issues, that's the developers' issues. They are advised long in advance what they need to do to remain compatible with the current OS.
Yup! Sammy has stepped up their update game the last few years. I think last year they were pushing the official Android 10 before the end of the year to some devices. I think, but I could be wrong. I know it was earlier than the previous years.
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No you are absolutely right. I'm out in Canada and if memory serves me right we got Android 10 at the beginning of January a month or so after the US. It was the years prior that the OS update came out with the S series release. And to your point Samsung has stepped up their game, tremendously. It's right after the Pixels and Oneplus which is not too shabby. And getting faster to boot. No complaints here. :good:
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Mr. Orange 645 said:
I will absolutely update as soon as its available. I always sign up for the beta each year to get the update ASAP. Most people complain that Samsung doesn't update fast enough. Haven't heard anyone complain yet that they update TOO fast, LOL.
These concerns happen every year, and they always end up being a non-issue.
As far as app compatibility issues, that's the developers' issues. They are advised long in advance what they need to do to remain compatible with the current OS.
Yup! Sammy has stepped up their update game the last few years. I think last year they were pushing the official Android 10 before the end of the year to some devices. I think, but I could be wrong. I know it was earlier than the previous years.
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Yeah, Note10+ got Android 10 in December I believe. Definitely was super fast compared to Note9 getting Android 9 (February/March).
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So true. I read one of the big changes with Android was bubble-like messaging, much like FB Messenger. Uh... I've had that in Samsung for a couple years now I think? My text app always pops up in a bubble instead of the notifications panel.

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Yeah, Note10+ got Android 10 in December I believe. Definitely was super fast compared to Note9 getting Android 9 (February/March).
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Thats what I was thinking, but couldn't remember 100%. Unless there's somd major issues, it looks like we're on the same timeline for Android 11, since the beta is already out for the international S20 series. US Note 20 won't be too far behind.

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Check out the link i put in the original post. Even xda sees scooped storage as a failure. Just scroll down to scooped storage
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Spot on. What a wrenched mess.
My 10+ is still running well on Pie.
Google is insane to emulate Apple.
I don't think Google will fix it, another Vista.
Probably stay on Pie for the life of this phone and hope Google regains their sphincter control with 12 or 13...

So true. I read one of the big changes with Android was bubble-like messaging, much like FB Messenger. Uh... I've had that in Samsung for a couple years now I think? My text app always pops up in a bubble instead of the notifications panel.[/QUOTE]
you know you can change/turn that off to get the notification view of it

gloege said:
So true. I read one of the big changes with Android was bubble-like messaging, much like FB Messenger. Uh... I've had that in Samsung for a couple years now I think? My text app always pops up in a bubble instead of the notifications panel.
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you know you can change/turn that off to get the notification view of it[/QUOTE]
I saw that too, wtf? Messenger does that all the time with Pie.
Lol, half of the time I disable it because it's a nuisance.
I've backed up all my Playstore apps with APK Export because of them either being taken down in Playstore or turned into a bloody mess to adapt to 10/11.
I also have a couple trusted apps the use overlays, Q would render them useless or a pain to use.
I remember the horror of Vista and Lollipop... Pie is running very well, WYSIWYG
The most I'll do for now is an occasional reload of Pie if needed. All my data including the all apks/system updates are stored on my SD card so reloads are much easier. No screwing around with or waiting for Playstore. Any app that allows it's setup to be exported is also saved there.
With over 230 GB of data it saves a lot of time coping it from the laptop too.
I never have a phone without an SD card slot... you know like an Apple.

I saw that too, wtf? Messenger does that all the time with Pie.
Lol, half of the time I disable it because it's a nuisance.
I've backed up all my Playstore apps with APK Export because of them either being taken down in Playstore or turned into a bloody mess to adapt to 10/11.
I also have a couple trusted apps the use overlays, Q would render them useless or a pain to use.
I remember the horror of Vista and Lollipop... Pie is running very well, WYSIWYG
The most I'll do for now is an occasional reload of Pie if needed. All my data including the all apks/system updates are stored on my SD card so reloads are much easier. No screwing around with or waiting for Playstore. Any app that allows it's setup to be exported is also saved there.
With over 230 GB of data it saves a lot of time coping it from the laptop too.
I never have a phone without an SD card slot... you know like an Apple.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the info i have a few apps i want to get off my lg g4 that are a miss in the android store

Question Whatever happened to the March stock update?

Its later then normal?

no march update usually date ask google please then tell us why

I'm over it Samsung ultra is coming up soon

Is there something cutting edge and beneficial enough to make someone change their life in the update?

My concern is my brand new pixel buds disconnecting and reconnecting constantly. Think that a firmware update on my buds would be more important. That's just me though

boorog said:
I'm over it Samsung ultra is coming up soon
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you will regret it. Just wait for pixel 8 pro 3nm or snapdragon 8 gen 3 big update expected

Tracker31 said:
you will regret it. Just wait for pixel 8 pro 3nm or snapdragon 8 gen 3 big update expected
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Got my wife the 23U and no noticable difference from the 22U. Just an update to what was already created. Agree with you 100%.

avid_droid said:
Is there something cutting edge and beneficial enough to make someone change their life in the update?
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Only that quick dopamine hit of having the latest and greatest.

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Only that quick dopamine hit of having the latest and greatest.
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Haha. The "alright! I'm updated," until after the reboot feeling. I get it.

avid_droid said:
My concern is my brand new pixel buds disconnecting and reconnecting constantly. Think that a firmware update on my buds would be more important. That's just me though
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Which is a separate update from the Phone firmware

HipKat said:
Which is a separate update from the Phone firmware
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Really? Who would've known(sarcasm).

Tracker31 said:
no march update usually date ask google please then tell us why
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A quick Google search would've told you rather than you coming here and posting bs.
QPR3 kicking off on the 13th, do the math.

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Is there something cutting edge and beneficial enough to make someone change their life in the update?
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Exactly, I don't understand why people are all up and arms about the monthly being late. Are you in a rush for something? If you have ants in your pants and itching to update something, just reflash your current version to curb your addiction. Everyone needs to relax and stop opening meaningless threads. Be patient and just wait for the update to come out.

Well, maybe because one of the reason they bought the phone is that it should be the first to get each monthly security update. It's google update for google products after all.
Turned out, this month, my S23U is getting update faster than my P7P.
Am not itching or b*tching about update. I just find it funny that google is lagging behind in an area where they should actually excel. Not to mention they only have less than 20 phone models in their portofolio to manage as well. Lol

otonieru said:
Well, maybe because one of the reason they bought the phone is that it should be the first to get each monthly security update. It's google update for google products after all.
Turned out, this month, my S23U is getting update faster than my P7P.
Am not itching or b*tching about update. I just find it funny that google is lagging behind in an area where they should actually excel. Not to mention they only have less than 20 phone models in their portofolio to manage as well. Lol
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And how many of the 1 million Samsung devices did get the update this month?
Samsung is known to have a history of taking back or stopping updates due to massive problems. Google isn't the best update company too.
Better late and stable than early and buggy.

SilentEYE said:
And how many of the 1 million Samsung devices did get the update this month?
Samsung is known to have a history of taking back or stopping updates due to massive problems. Google isn't the best update company too.
Better late and stable than early and buggy.
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Well, consider that samsung, within one month, sold 1.1 million unit of s23 series alone globally, and those series been updated/getting march 2023 update,
i'd say, 1 million then.
number aside. I agree about being bug free. Which, surprisingly, exactly how it goes so far for my s23u.

Why do people talk about Samsung Phones in a Pixel Forum?

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Why do people talk about Samsung Phones in a Pixel Forum?
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Probably the same reason people talk about Pixel in Samsung forums. Justify a purchase, feel the need to lord it over if something is presumed better on one, really like their phone and want to convince others to like them too, tribalism, cult status.. all kinds of things. I just take it as entertainment on a Sunday morning. I do like the size specs on the S23 mini but then again it's a Sammy so...
As for the topic at hand I think if Google at least gave a reason for the delay that would appease many folks but that doesn't seem to be forthcoming. There are always little bugs we're hoping to squash with each monthly and maybe that's why everyone is wondering when. Even the columnists at AP and 9to5 are wondering and mashing the update button so for people to say just wait, what's the big deal, cool your jets etc. it is a little disingenuous.

bobby janow said:
Probably the same reason people talk about Pixel in Samsung forums. Justify a purchase, feel the need to lord it over if something is presumed better on one, really like their phone and want to convince others to like them too, tribalism, cult status.. all kinds of things. I just take it as entertainment on a Sunday morning. I do like the size specs on the S23 mini but then again it's a Sammy so...
As for the topic at hand I think if Google at least gave a reason for the delay that would appease many folks but that doesn't seem to be forthcoming. There are always little bugs we're hoping to squash with each monthly and maybe that's why everyone is wondering when. Even the columnists at AP and 9to5 are wondering and mashing the update button so for people to say just wait, what's the big deal, cool your jets etc. it is a little disingenuous.
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the one big important thing against Sammy is Knox and Warranty lose when bootloader unlock. You w8 big part of new product because you want to keep warranty.

Unrelated to the update scenarios, I'll say this...I had the pixel 5 and swapped to a Samsung note 20 ultra which I used until getting the p7p. If I'm honest, the note has a way more premium feel to it, holding it, looking at it, using it blows the p7p out of the water. I've been swapping back and forth between the 2 and even at 3 cycles old the Samsung holds it's own.