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[Q] full battery charge only reaches 98% after 8 hours

Hi i dont know why my battery isnt completely charging! or the battery charger info is broken! anyone else not charging to 100%?

It probably hits 100% then starts draining slightly to keep it from over charging. Mine gets to 99% then I unplug and replug it and it hits 100. But that has happened with a lot of devices for me.

Happens on my evo as well. You can get around it by flashing a kernel that does trickle charging which I'm sure we'll get for the tf sooner or later.
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Punchatron said:
Happens on my evo as well. You can get around it by flashing a kernel that does trickle charging which I'm sure we'll get for the tf sooner or later.
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I would NOT use an sbc kernal on this battery, they are known to shorten battery life. Cell phone batteries are a dime a dozen, this thing is both non-user replacable and most likely not cheap.

Pretty sure its a lithium ion battery inside and you shouldnt overcharge those. You're best off keeping it between 30-90% and doing a drain and full charge once a month to prolong its life. The charger should stop charging when the battery is full on it's own anyways if you do leave it plugged in. I think it's a European law to have that as a safety feature, probably an American law for this too. So if the charger is staying hot a few minutes after your device has hit 100% charge, you've got a problem. Mine does get to 100% but yes it takes a while to top up, that's just the way these batteries operate.

Depletion time on battery - turbo charged vs normal charger

This is a poll. Again, its your normal day use.
My finding so far: my battery will deplete faster if its charged with turbo charger. I have two MXPE's : one for me and one for my wife. I charged hers to 100% using Turbo and mine with normal charger. Same settings for Moto display, same brightness level and pretty much similar usages. In fact, I use my phone more than her because I am somewhat more active on whatsapp. Her phone deleted faster than mine.
Have you guys noticed any difference in this respect? I am thinking I am going to use normal charger for night and use turbo charger only in a pinch.

I've read this assertion elsewhere too - that any quick charged phone depletes battery faster. Actually I charged my battery with my old slow charger last night to see if I'd lose less today. Subjectively (because my usage isn't really consistent), it seems like maybe the phone is discharging more slowly...

Could be a possibility but i have my lg g3 that i used for a year.. Co pairing my faily usage i get about the same hours of ost.
I think hers may be going down faster maybe because of the background apps or the ost shes using? U cant say ur using the same apps unless u tried them both for ur self..

I know this is the case. I have a Tablet and Phone when I charge them with slightly higher power chargers they deplete at a much faster rate. And when I charge with the slower charger they hold a charge much longer.
(Although bare in mind I'm talking about non Quick Charging devices so maybe that plays a huge part lol but I dont use Quick Chargers on them just slightly faster chargers when I have no choice.)
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For those of you that have noticed faster battery loss after using the quick charge have you tried the non quick charger for a night charge than at a random time used the car quick charge charger? Does the time differ at all than?

I think this needs more testing. I need to do the test on my phone alone on 2 consecutive working days.

I don't understand what the logic behind this theory would be. Just because one reviewer mentioned it all of a sudden its a thing? Not trying to argue just don't understand the logic. The battery/phone don't heat while turbo charging so why would battery deplete faster?
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jmtjr278 said:
I don't understand what the logic behind this theory would be. Just because one reviewer mentioned it all of a sudden its a thing? Not trying to argue just don't understand the logic. The battery/phone don't heat while turbo charging so why would battery deplete faster?
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A lot of people report the device gets hot when turbo charging. By the nature of the forcing of charge and the small footprint, how could it not get somewhat hot? I do not use fast charging on my Pure due to this.

devsk said:
This is a poll. Again, its your normal day use.
My finding so far: my battery will deplete faster if its charged with turbo charger. I have two MXPE's : one for me and one for my wife. I charged hers to 100% using Turbo and mine with normal charger. Same settings for Moto display, same brightness level and pretty much similar usages. In fact, I use my phone more than her because I am somewhat more active on whatsapp. Her phone deleted faster than mine.
Have you guys noticed any difference in this respect? I am thinking I am going to use normal charger for night and use turbo charger only in a pinch.
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Charging fast is bad for the battery, so it only makes sense for her not to last as long.

My wife wears down faster when I quick charge her. I only do it when I need her for short bursts.
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As I understand turbo change. The phone only utilizes turbo charge for the 0-85 or so, then the phone uses standard charging to top the battery off. I have also not noticed any heat while charging using the OEM charger provided out of the box. Believe what you will. I just don't care how you charge your battery.
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Why would the phone discharge faster after a quick charge? Isn't one hundred percent one hundred percent? I'm not flaming, I'm actually curious if there's a difference.

Idk who came up with this, your battery does not drain faster when its charged faster, its not logical.. All turbo charge or any type of quick charge does is supplies more a more faster charging rate based on the volts and amps it puts out. This should not effect your batteries life in anyway.

I can understand the thinking behind this but there is absolutely no way you can test this correctly because you aren't doing the EXACT same usage every day. Something will always differ.

Was this ever an issue with previous Moto X's?

After about a week's use I feel like the battery has a break in period. I was getting horrible battery at first. The past few days have been par (4ish hours SOT). I've only used the OEM Turbo chargers once but I have several other Turbo chargers (mainly from Galaxy's, Turbo's, etc). Almost every charger in my house could be considered a "Turbo charger" but I only receive the notification that the device recognizes a turbo charge on the OEM charger.
That said, I have worse battery life if I charge all night. It's as if the battery fully charges, then depletes, but still registers as 100%. So shortly taking it off the charger, the battery will quickly drop to low 90's and soon into the 80's. If I charge to 100% and unplug soon after my battery life is as expected.
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joshw0000 said:
After about a week's use I feel like the battery has a break in period. I was getting horrible battery at first. The past few days have been par (4ish hours SOT). I've only used the OEM Turbo chargers once but I have several other Turbo chargers (mainly from Galaxy's, Turbo's, etc). Almost every charger in my house could be considered a "Turbo charger" but I only receive the notification that the device recognizes a turbo charge on the OEM charger.
That said, I have worse battery life if I charge all night. It's as if the battery fully charges, then depletes, but still registers as 100%. So shortly taking it off the charger, the battery will quickly drop to low 90's and soon into the 80's. If I charge to 100% and unplug soon after my battery life is as expected.
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You are making an interesting point here. Anyone else can confirm?
I'm going to do a test myself. Before that I want to add that I've noticed when charging with turbocharger(I've used only the OEM's) the charged capacity tends to go a little over the 3000mha, it becomes something like ~3300mha and after plugging out it still stays like that until 90% where it stats under 3000mha charged.

I charge every night with slow charge. I am at 95% after 1 hour and 45 minutes unplugged. Checked some news a few texts and 2 phone calls. Seems normal to me.

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Battery drain is pretty evident. I am on MM Indian ROM and below are the findings.
1. Used turbo charger to top it up at 100%. Dis-connected the charger. WIFI is enabled and network is 2G (data off). All background app sync is disabled, and the only major applications running in background are firefox and whatsapp.
With medium brightness and browsing, the battery will drop to 97-98% within 5-8 minutes.
2. 100% turbo-charged at night. WIFI enabled/2G network (Data off). Woke up in the morning after 6 hours and battery is good at 98%
WIFI off and network moved to 4G/data and after browsing for 10 minutes, the battery falls to 85%
3. Instead of turbo charger, used Xaiomi MI pad charger (non-turbo) and my experience with #1 and #2 are pretty much the same.

Do not leave turbo charger plugged in with screen on

Fell asleep last night with the turbo charger plugged in and a YouTube playlist going, phone was at least 120 degrees all around after being on for 4 hours straight. Brightness was a few ticks above 0.

well yeah that's not a smart move at all lol. it's well known the turbo charger alone when screen is off gets the phone to around 107....
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jayochs said:
well yeah that's not a smart move at all lol. it's well known the turbo charger alone when screen is off gets the phone to around 107....
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I think I'll just use a standard USB type b charger unless I really need to use the turbo charger, that heat will weaken the battery over time

Modern TurboCharge tech is not like the old stuff. It won't harm the battery.
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I think I'll just use a standard USB type b charger unless I really need to use the turbo charger, that heat will weaken the battery over time
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that's what i do. i use my tab s charger overnight because it's slower..i don't need it charging to 100 within 30 minutes of me going to bed...so i let it slow charge.

Turbo Charger will not affect the battery more than any other normal charger, it slows down at 75-80% to reduce heat
Theres a big difference between overheating and getting warm
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Yeah but won't that heat have an effect on battery performance after awhile?

Im not a tech guy but i guess by 2015 they would have solved that issue
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I usually have mine on the turbo charger while playing angry birds. Doesn't seem to get that hot after an hour or two, but maybe YouTube is different.
Do you have a Google Play Music subscription? I can do background playback, so I wouldn't need to have my screen on.

Using the phone in the car it stays on the charger. At work it's on a charger when it gets low as well. By the time I'm home, it's still got a substantial amt of battery left so anything over 80% I just turn the phone off for the night and charge it in the car or at home the next day to full. It rarely gets below 40%....

my 2 cents... i leave it on the slow charger overnight but earlier today i was running a comcast tv app and streaming it for 2 hours to my tv. my battery heated to 125F

New moto x style here.. I did notice the phone feel warmer using with plugged in charger and apps downloading in the background
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Battery care

In the last 10 days or so, I have noticed that battery care isn't activated when I charge my phone overnight. I always check to make battery care is on and I leave my phone left on overnight too. 4 weeks previous to this issue, I hadn't been experiencing any such issues.
Any suggestions guys?
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I had the same problem after previous weekend, it worked perfectly till Thursday but when I didn't charge it overnight from Friday till Sunday it stopped working and activated itself again yesterday.
Thought that it would learn that I charge the phone overnight only during work days and don't during weekends.
Still I think it's a great idea but it seems that it needs longer learning or some changes.
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It's very stupid I think; they should've allowed the user to set the wake up time instead of "learning", it has never worked correctly for me, its always 1-2 hrs off which makes it kind of useless. I hope they can do it in a future update.

Still having no luck with battery care. Would a factory reset likely to resolve the issue?
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They should allow to select the timewe want to charge it fully to 100% manually as well in the software update.

Or at least tie into system alarms!
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I find that if I do a short charge during the day, it disrupts the Battery Care functionality (overnight) and then has to re-learn with a few normal overnight charges.
This seems to nullify the benefit of Battery Care as my phone would now sit on the charger for long periods at 100% again while re-learning...exactly what Battery Care is suppose to prevent.
I might as well just do small charges during the day when convenient so I don't have to charge overnight and "ruin" my battery further while it re-learns. Frustrating.
I really hope they get this feature sorted out.

It helps me to plug the phone in, go to settings, switch battery care off then back on and it usually works. I still keep the setting on all the time. Also I typically restart my phone after plugging it in every night and closing backround running apps. It seems to minimize any bugs I have experienced.
So I generally plug in the phone, restart it, then flick battery care off then back on and I haven't had many problems. That would be my suggestion to try
I should add that I have a US version of the phone. I flashed UK firmware then performed a software repair via Xperia companion. The last software repair I performed was probably over a month ago
Also, lesPaulGuitar, are you plugging your phone in for a short charge during the day because without doing so you would not have enough charge to reach the end of the day? If not, i suggest avoiding uneccesary cycles on your battery. Every additional cycle you put on it. Wether charging from 50% to 100% or from 40% to 80%, an additional cycle will reduce over all cycle life. Especially if the cycles aren't complete (as in not charging fully before discharging again). While lithium ion doesn't develop a memory it does still have a limited cycle life

This **** is stupid and useless without user input. Why can't I choose the times? I know everything better. Not everybody has dedicated times for work or. School.
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Does the phone need to be left turned on during the night while charging for this to work? I have the phone coming and I was under the impression that this battery feature would work even with the phone turned off. Any clarification is appreciated.

Hershchel Clogs said:
It helps me to plug the phone in, go to settings, switch battery care off then back on and it usually works. I still keep the setting on all the time. Also I typically restart my phone after plugging it in every night and closing backround running apps. It seems to minimize any bugs I have experienced.
So I generally plug in the phone, restart it, then flick battery care off then back on and I haven't had many problems. That would be my suggestion to try
I should add that I have a US version of the phone. I flashed UK firmware then performed a software repair via Xperia companion. The last software repair I performed was probably over a month ago
Also, lesPaulGuitar, are you plugging your phone in for a short charge during the day because without doing so you would not have enough charge to reach the end of the day? If not, i suggest avoiding uneccesary cycles on your battery. Every additional cycle you put on it. Wether charging from 50% to 100% or from 40% to 80%, an additional cycle will reduce over all cycle life. Especially if the cycles aren't complete (as in not charging fully before discharging again). While lithium ion doesn't develop a memory it does still have a limited cycle life
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I have also tried turning Battery Care on and off with no success unless it was already dialed in to begin with. In that event, it would then work. I'll try restarting the phone first next time it acts up...although I think I've done that too before.
Regarding small charges during the day, it is usually due to not starting the day with a full charge such as when ending the previous day with, say, 50% left or so. Or it could be due to the battery running out before the day is finished from heavy camera use, etc.
My understanding about L-ION batteries is that small charges that add up 100% in total (like five separate 20% charges) equal one charge cycle. So no harm doing small charges...
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Does the phone need to be left turned on during the night while charging for this to work? I have the phone coming and I was under the impression that this battery feature would work even with the phone turned off. Any clarification is appreciated.
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I'm pretty sure that that phone needs to be on because it is a piece of software that needs to run which controls it.
That said, I've not tested it with the phone off.

Any time you reverse the charge current is one cycle. How far down you discharge is your depth of discharge. So even if you drain the phone from 80% to 70% and plug it in and only charge it back up to 80%, that's one cycle. What you are saying would be true if you don't discharge the battery at all, similar to what Sony does with their battery care. You can charge lithium in short bursts but if you discharge between those charges then you are cycling your battery. So no, short incomplete charges aren't absolutely detrimental to your battery but will be considered in regards to your overall cycle life. For every 70 millivolt (roughly 10%) drop in voltage during a cycle, your overall cycle life is cut in half. Meaning you'll get twice as many cycles if you only drain your phone to 60% instead of 50%. To take full advantage of the chemistry, it is best to fully charge before discharging. You could expect 2500-3000 cycles at 10% depth of discharge, but only 500-700 or so at 50% depth of discharge before capacity is 70% of what it's rated. This is information I got from Cadex Labratories and deal with on a daily basis at work.

Hershchel Clogs, does the Qnovo battery technology seem sound based your battery knowledge? Also, thanks for sharing.
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Hershchel Clogs said:
Any time you reverse the charge current is one cycle. How far down you discharge is your depth of discharge. So even if you drain the phone from 80% to 70% and plug it in and only charge it back up to 80%, that's one cycle. What you are saying would be true if you don't discharge the battery at all, similar to what Sony does with their battery care. You can charge lithium in short bursts but if you discharge between those charges then you are cycling your battery. So no, short incomplete charges aren't absolutely detrimental to your battery but will be considered in regards to your overall cycle life. For every 70 millivolt (roughly 10%) drop in voltage during a cycle, your overall cycle life is cut in half. Meaning you'll get twice as many cycles if you only drain your phone to 60% instead of 50%. To take full advantage of the chemistry, it is best to fully charge before discharging. You could expect 2500-3000 cycles at 10% depth of discharge, but only 500-700 or so at 50% depth of discharge before capacity is 70% of what it's rated. This is information I got from Cadex Labratories and deal with on a daily basis at work.
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Should I follow this suggestion? Or keep small cycle of charges by using accubattery suggestion to plug off when I reach 80%?

Heating while charging is normal?

is it normal? charge is fast, 30min and 50% charged. But heats a little, anyone with same thing?
bln al10 using original 5v2a charger
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quite normal, but not overheating..

It's normal for you device to generate a little heat while charging as long as it doesn't get unusually hot you are fine.

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is it normal? charge is fast, 30min and 50% charged. But heats a little, anyone with same thing?
bln al10 using original 5v2a charger
tried charging turned off and on
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Its normal, just ignore it

Every device is heating a bit while charging. You don't expet it to be dead cols, do you?