I'd like to buy a new phone and/or tablet, I don't mind if no-name Chinese, but it has to be
powerful with up-to-date hardware
low-budget (I mean a real bargain)
suitable for running CyanogenMod
No idea about a tablet yet, it should be around 10" (min. 1280x720px) with built-in 3G, thought about a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 GT-P5100, but compared to some Chinese devices I found on Alibaba it's quite expensive, with the freshly announced Tab 3 even at a higher price.
Concerning the phone I found the amazing Lenovo A820 at an unreal low price with top specs, but it's Dual SIM and not supported by CM (in fact CM currently has no Dual SIM support at all).
The major issue with no-name Chinese devices is the uncertain CM support (don't mind if officially or unofficially supported), but not being able to install CM would be a showstopper for me, as I have no intentions at all to run any Android device with GAPPS installed!
And advice?
Master One said:
And advice?
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Most Chinese devices (HTC and huawei and Oppo excluded) will not get CM support. If they do, it will be very limited. As in, they'll stop after maybe a couple months of nightlies.
Lenovo makes android tablets? Hmmm.
And stuff that is made specifically for China is usually much cheaper, but much harder to get your hands on.
My 0.02.
After some more research and searching through the list of supported devices at CM I came to the conclusion, that unfortunately none of such interesting Chinese / no-name hardware is suitable for me. I just have to have CM without GAPPS on my device, there is no way around it.
It seems there are quite some devices coming now with reasonable (and similar) specs at very low prices, like the freshly announced Huawei Ascend G525, which are all Dual SIM. If it wasn't about the missing CM support, I'd go for something like the Lenovo A820 or similar.
I still don't know what to do. The tablet is not a must-have, but a new phone would be nice right now. The list on CM does not show which devices are new, it should be a recent 2013 model.
So any hint, which of the un-/officially CM supported recent devices would be worth looking at?
Please use the thread stickied for this type of discussion
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I've been under the impression that the Relay wasn't about to get Nougat support, because it's graphics chip was too old to do Vulkan. However these two sites indicate that Relay support is in the works. http://www.gizmoadvices.com/list-devices-supported-official-lineage-os/ http://lineageosdownload.com/devices-supported-by-lineage-os/
I'd not be prone to trust that, since they seem to essentially be the same list. (echo-chamber?) However this site http://www.theandroidsoul.com/download-lineage-os/ with download links shows some supported Samsung devices of similar vintage to the Relay, perhaps even older.
I plan to look into this more, but in the meantime, does anyone else know anything?
I also plan to upload my Dec 3 and Dec 29 images from last year to my google drive, and will make those known here, once I have. They're not fully tested - I did a bit more explicit testing of the Dec 3 image, but I'm currently running the Dec 29 image.
Edit - some content:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_MKeoY9qBceVGlWV05fUlVObUU
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_MKeoY9qBceRDd5elpZbFZETVk
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_MKeoY9qBcecmxBR2xzV2N2cTQ
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_MKeoY9qBceVWJQSEUwaXpiNFk
(I fear I've lost track of which is which, but two are zips and two are checksums. Two are Dec 4 and two are Dec 29.)
Nice one! i've been running my relay on the stock OS for years. It's running slow as a dog. I really need to learn how to flash it with a nice new ROM.
That would be awesome if the Relay would get a second life.... i'm sooo close to drop it and buy the Nokia 6... hope HMD is living up to some customers expectations and is building a new communicator... love my old buddy E7.
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by the way, the Relay is in basic the S III. But I'm quite astonished that they support the Relay ()
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That would be awesome if the Relay would get a second life.... i'm sooo close to drop it and buy the Nokia 6... hope HMD is living up to some customers expectations and is building a new communicator... love my old buddy E7.
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by the way, the Relay is in basic the S III. But I'm quite astonished that they support the Relay ()
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By "E7" you mean the Nokia E7, right? Oh, I have often fantasized about a device in an E7 chassis but with new internals and running Android... except for the weight, that was my favourite form factor ever, keyboard or not
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BTW since my Relay is definitely not my daily driver, more than happy to give these builds a whirl...
so will there bea linage os for the relay 4g. if so I would be interested for afriend of mine . he loves the relay and so he is wondering if there will be development for linage for the relay 4g. please let me know.
I'm updating here the last CM recovery in case someone needs it.
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so will there bea linage os for the relay 4g. if so I would be interested for afriend of mine . he loves the relay and so he is wondering if there will be development for linage for the relay 4g. please let me know.
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The leaks of the soon to be supported devices have the Relay on it. I can't believe it yet but why not? The Relay is the last Android QWERTY with decent hardware. As i stated before in another thread the S III is nearly identical to the Relay and the SoC is/was quite popular and built in many devices. The chances are high (to good to be true)
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The leaks of the soon to be supported devices have the Relay on it. I can't believe it yet but why not? The Relay is the last Android QWERTY with decent hardware. As i stated before in another thread the S III is nearly identical to the Relay and the SoC is/was quite popular and built in many devices. The chances are high (to good to be true)
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I've done a bit of looking since, and see that Lineage OS is advertising both Marshmallow and Nougat support. I suspect that means that the Relay is going to get Marshmallow, not Nougat. My impression is that Nougat required Vulkan graphics, and the Relay's graphics chip wasn't capable of that. Still, Marshmallow will be newer and presumably more secure than KitKat.
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I've done a bit of looking since, and see that Lineage OS is advertising both Marshmallow and Nougat support. I suspect that means that the Relay is going to get Marshmallow, not Nougat. My impression is that Nougat required Vulkan graphics, and the Relay's graphics chip wasn't capable of that. Still, Marshmallow will be newer and presumably more secure than KitKat.
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Even Marshmallow would be a welcome advance for the Relay venerable Relay.
I love my Relay so much that I want it keep it forever.
I bought a couple of extras, so I have some hardware for testing and I am eager to assist anyone who wishes to continue development for the Relay.
Please contact me if I can assist you and/or please direct me to someone whom I can assist.
thanks in advance,
- Soul Singin'
LineageOS released their list of officially supported devices and the Relay is not on it. I jumped onto the Lineage OS IRC channel to ask the devs what exactly they'd need to get the Relay officially supported. They said they need a working device tree + kernel. I emailed them the info they asked for and will let you guys know how it goes.
My Relay is my daily driver running CM11 and an more up to date rom would be amazing.
check out the development area here at xda, i'm sure there was a kernel over there. i do think that for someone like reventech from the validus project that task would be easy as a pie. don't they have the sources of cyanogenmod? the mirrors are down am i right? on that github should have been the source. i'm not able to build android yet. as an administrator my free time is quite limited
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LineageOS released their list of officially supported devices and the Relay is not on it. I jumped onto the Lineage OS IRC channel to ask the devs what exactly they'd need to get the Relay officially supported. They said they need a working device tree + kernel. I emailed them the info they asked for and will let you guys know how it goes.
My Relay is my daily driver running CM11 and an more up to date rom would be amazing.
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Would you be willing to send me the device tree, as well. Or perhaps since I have the sources sitting around, I presume there's a device tree there. I've read about the device tree on Phoronix, but have never really walked through one.
Also, since I've got a source tree, I've also got a kernel in there. However will Marshmallow use the same kernel as KitKat? Oh, google was my friend: https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/51651/which-android-runs-which-linux-kernel
Android Version |API Level |Linux Kernel in AOSP
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1.5 Cupcake |3 |2.6.27
1.6 Donut |4 |2.6.29
2.0/1 Eclair |5-7 |2.6.29
2.2.x Froyo |8 |2.6.32
2.3.x Gingerbread |9, 10 |2.6.35
3.x.x Honeycomb |11-13 |2.6.36
4.0.x Ice Cream San|14, 15 |3.0.1
4.1.x Jelly Bean |16 |3.0.31
4.2.x Jelly Bean |17 |3.4.0
4.3 Jelly Bean |18 |3.4.39
4.4 Kit Kat |19, 20 |3.10
5.x Lollipop |21, 22 |3.16.1
6.0 Marshmallow |23 |3.18.10
7.0 Nougat |24 |4.4.1
7.1 Nougat |25 |4.4.1 (To be updated)
So the problem is that we need a new kernel, and need to map the old config to the new. OK, I always save my kernel configs, and one of my home machines goes clear back to 3.7 and up to the present, except that while I have configs for 3.16 and 3.20, I'm missing everything in between. Another system has five different 3.18 kernel configs, but only goes back to 3.16.3. I know these configs are not usable for Android, but I'm hoping they can give me an indication of what changed between the relevant levels. Scratch that, one the first machine mentioned, I have a 3.18.8 kernel config laying around as well as 3.10.0, 3.10.9, and 3.10.10 configs. Sadly, there are 1570 lines of diff between the two. Haven't looked at any details yet.
This looks like a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. I'm going to presume that I can't just stuff a 3.18.10 kernel into my CM11 build and expect it to work - though that's the way Linus would like it to be, and the two kernels aren't that far apart.
Pardon the rambling.
EDIT: I just checked my source tree, and I appear to have the kernel source there. Actually there seem to be two sources, "samsung/d2" and "samsung/t1". Neither appears to have been compiled, because I only see .c and .h files in there, nor is there a .config file. Luckily I just checked my Relay, and found "/proc/config.gz". Oh, and here's the other oddity: "uname -a" returns "3.4.104-cyanogenmod-g61tc527e", not the expected 3.10. I may have to grab a Validus image, if I can still find one.
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So the problem is that we need a new kernel, and need to map the old config to the new. OK, I always save my kernel configs,
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Attached is my: /cm_repo/kernel/samsung/d2/arch/arm/configs/cyanogen_apexq_defconfig for CM 11, which uses kernel 3.4.95 and android 4.4.4
Does this help? If so or if not, please tell me how I can help.
And thank you for your help!
- Soul Singin'
would to know how it goes as well, any updates?
from what i've been told they have no plans for it either
https://www.facebook.com/LineageAndroid/posts/1499401083412550?comment_id=1499658536720138
any new news on any development for this device. i know that the s3 has gotten its linage os 14.1 rom and how come the relay whihc is based off of the s3 cant get a 14.1 rom. just wondering.
I know everyone hates a 'me too'. I have been a T699 user for about as long as it's been introduced. I also use a Stratosphere II and a Galaxy S5, but my Relay is still my favorite. I hope the developers at LineageOS will still consider supporting this phone. Thanks in advance.
Even though it's not my main phone anymore, I love pulling out my Relay now and then. In fact I'm using it as a music & podcast player since the SD card reader in my main phone died. The only thing that stops me from using it more is that the battery drops like a stone when it's got cellular signal/data going, to the point that it almost unusable day-to-day as a connected device. But it's got great standby life so I'm pretty sure it's the OS, not the battery. I would love it if a new OS actually fixed the battery drain...
It would be a dream to geht lineage OS in the relay 4g. Any advance Herr???
Hello,
I bought several smartphone in the past until now and I always want to use them as long I can.
So Android obsolescence comes quite quickly once a smartphone arrives on the market (around 2 or 3 years after). We lose security patches, capability to use upper android version.... So each time I try to use custom ROM based on AOSP or Lineage / CM BUT I lose the capability to make decent photo with the Camera.
Currently it is unacceptable because I have to immortalize best moments of my life (childs, family ...).
The questions are simple : Do you know Android smartphone manufacturer or specific models with open / published camera drivers / framework that can be used on AOSP / Lineage OS?
I have the same question, if a manufacturer publish camera drivers that be used on upper Android version (EX: published for Marshmallow but useable on Oreo).
Thanks
There isn't one. This is the difference between open source and closed sourced drivers. The cameras and drivers are not even made by the device oem.
Updates these days are not that bad. You get a flagship and it will easily last 5 years. Even if 2 of them are only with security updates.
Hello zelendel,
Thank you for this reply.
In consequence all smarphone suffer of the same miseries. There is no way to get a Lineage with the same camera quality than stock experience due to closed source?! :crying:
Pretty much yes. I have not found a single device that doesn't suffer. It's one of the things you give up when you swap over to aosp base. Just like when using Linux. You lose anything special the oem did.
Hi all. Anyone had any luck getting Sailfish to swim? I can get it up and running but there doesn't appear to be any Android support. Sailfish is an excellent OS and I love the way it works but there simply aren't enough apps for it so for me Android support is a must but it doesn't seem to exist.
Doing a hefty duck session (and falling back to google search) suggests a variety of methods to kick Android support off but they would appear to be for older versions of Sailfish. Anyone out there with any light to shed on this?
Okay. Answering my own questions but for those of you who consider XDA developers the major source of information on mobile apps (as I tend to do) if it ain't here it ain't known! Wrong of course but for those who share my fallacy:
The Sailfish version you can get as of now (summer 2018) is a community edition not the full blown version. It does not come with various bits. Chief amongst these is Android support. There is talk of a full version "real soon now." Beta in Sept and full version "at the end of the year" which probably means Feb 2019.
Watch this space....
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Hi all. Anyone had any luck getting Sailfish to swim? I can get it up and running but there doesn't appear to be any Android support. Sailfish is an excellent OS and I love the way it works but there simply aren't enough apps for it so for me Android support is a must but it doesn't seem to exist.
Doing a hefty duck session (and falling back to google search) suggests a variety of methods to kick Android support off but they would appear to be for older versions of Sailfish. Anyone out there with any light to shed on this?
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Hello,
I have a LG L90 D415 that I bought back in 2014 and is working perfectly. I was using it with the last official update sent by the manufacturer (Andorid 5.1.1 Lollipop), but one single APP stop working and when I check for that APP, for it to work I needed to have Android 6 Marshmallow. Problem was that the manufacturer stop supporting the unit and they decided not to provide any other update beyond 5.1.1. Luckily I found that there was version 7 Nougat for my unit as an AOSP with Linange OS. Me, being an ignorant of android configuration, had a hard time installing it but finally was able to make it work. If not for that APP that stop working I would never change the OS but at the end I was happy, it was like having a new phone. I was able to install the APP and make it work. Then few days ago I read this article:
Devices may stop working next year: Here's why
The article is talking about devices that won't be able to work due to outdated security certificates. Specifically about andorid devices using Android version 7 Nougat (the one that I recently install on the phone), the article says:
The most vulnerable devices
Helme said users of Windows computers won't need to worry, as Microsoft has built in constant updating of certificates. Web browsers on most platforms get certificate updates regularly. And because iPhones get system updates so frequently, "I wouldn't be too concerned about this problem if I was an iOS user (I am)."
"But it looks like Android users might have some concerns in the not too distant future," Helme added.
That's because as of April 2020, nearly 40% of all Android devices visible to Google were using now-unsupported Android versions such as Nougat or earlier. (These statistics don't include Amazon Fire tablets, Xiaomi Mi phones or other devices that run non-Google versions of Android.) Many of those older devices may soon lose the ability to connect to most app servers and websites.
Since I have an old unit it seems that there is no interest from the LinageOS people to build at least version 8 of Android for the LG L90. So I need to ask, What are my options? Is there a way to find updated security certificates?
Please advise.
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Hello,
I have a LG L90 D415 that I bought back in 2014 and is working perfectly. I was using it with the last official update sent by the manufacturer (Andorid 5.1.1 Lollipop), but one single APP stop working and when I check for that APP, for it to work I needed to have Android 6 Marshmallow. Problem was that the manufacturer stop supporting the unit and they decided not to provide any other update beyond 5.1.1. Luckily I found that there was version 7 Nougat for my unit as an AOSP with Linange OS. Me, being an ignorant of android configuration, had a hard time installing it but finally was able to make it work. If not for that APP that stop working I would never change the OS but at the end I was happy, it was like having a new phone. I was able to install the APP and make it work. Then few days ago I read this article:
Devices may stop working next year: Here's why
The article is talking about devices that won't be able to work due to outdated security certificates. Specifically about andorid devices using Android version 7 Nougat (the one that I recently install on the phone), the article says:
The most vulnerable devices
Helme said users of Windows computers won't need to worry, as Microsoft has built in constant updating of certificates. Web browsers on most platforms get certificate updates regularly. And because iPhones get system updates so frequently, "I wouldn't be too concerned about this problem if I was an iOS user (I am)."
"But it looks like Android users might have some concerns in the not too distant future," Helme added.
That's because as of April 2020, nearly 40% of all Android devices visible to Google were using now-unsupported Android versions such as Nougat or earlier. (These statistics don't include Amazon Fire tablets, Xiaomi Mi phones or other devices that run non-Google versions of Android.) Many of those older devices may soon lose the ability to connect to most app servers and websites.
Since I have an old unit it seems that there is no interest from the LinageOS people to build at least version 8 of Android for the LG L90. So I need to ask, What are my options? Is there a way to find updated security certificates?
Please advise.
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If the manufacturer stops supports a device and if the device is no longer supported by custom development in the android user community and if security updates are no longer supported by the manufacturer or by custom android developers, the only other options are to support the software development yourself, if possible, or get a new device. You obviously won't be able to do the software/security support yourself so that leaves you only the option of getting a new device.
By the way, whoever wrote that article is an idiot iOS user. Yes, Apple will continue to release security updates, but, not for all Apple devices, they don't offer updates/support on their older devices. Apple doesn't want its users to use Apple devices more than a year or two, for this reason, they discontinue support on those older devices to force its users to buy newer devices.
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Droidriven said:
If the manufacturer stops supports a device and if the device is no longer supported by custom development in the android user community and if security updates are no longer supported by the manufacturer or by custom android developers, the only other options are to support the software development yourself, if possible, or get a new device. You obviously won't be able to do the software/security support yourself so that leaves you only the option of getting a new device.
By the way, whoever wrote that article is an idiot iOS user. Yes, Apple will continue to release security updates, but, not for all Apple devices, they don't offer updates/support on their older devices. Apple doesn't want its users to use Apple devices more than a year or two, for this reason, they discontinue support on those older devices to force its users to buy newer devices.
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Thanks,
I definitively won't be able to built my own, I'm just a dumb ignorant normal user, I don't even know how I was able to pull it out, I'm talking about rooting with magisk and installing the Linage version 14 ROM. I read and read, ask a lot of questions that were never answered (nobody seems to be interested). It was like my android lifetime achievement and something that you are able to do only once in your life.
I was checking the phone status and it says that the last uptade that I have installed is Linage OS 14.1 (Andorid 7.1.2), with android security patch level 2019-01-05. I hope that that helps somehow. I also found that there is another ROM of Linage OS using Android 8 (Oreo), for the LG L90 but it says that it is unofficial, so I feel uneasy installing it. It's a shame, the phone is working so fine, it is my first and only smartphone and has been with me... well... more than seven years.