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I purchased a Sprint Galaxy Tab to give myself an opportunity to get acquainted with Android (it came with ver 2.2 Froyo). After two months reading the xda threads I have basically learned that Android isn't just a few variations (Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, etc.) - but rather each device has its own flavor of Android within those larger general classes. Different ROMs, different kernels, different application compatibilities, etc.
This surely isn't good for Google and/or Android in the marketplace.
This has come to light most vividly while trying to get my Netflix subscription to work on my Samsung Galaxy Tab. Netflix promotes that they support "Android devices" which technically may be true. I suspect there are at least a handful of Android devices supported. Sadly my Galaxy Tab is not among the selected few. And based on the extremely long threads on this subject with such a wide variety of proposed possible solutions, it is not isolated to the Galaxy Tab. This should not be such a big deal. And yes, I realize it is likely the fault of Netflix themselves trying to be the DRM cops that complicate this issue. But dang - how hard can it be???
I've got to ask why? How is it that this same Galaxy Tab can display video from a variety of sources, but not Netflix? And why are there so many 'apps' that will not run on similar (but not identical) Android platforms?
Sorry for venting a bit. But dang....
It would be nice if phone hardware had more of a PC architecture so when a new version of Android was released by google, you could just go and download it, possibly with a Google installer that would auto detect drivers and such. But that's just a dream.
avrillapete said:
... with a Google installer that would auto detect drivers and such. But that's just a dream.
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20 years ago it would have been a dream. But today? And a company as agressive as Google? WHY would it still be just a dream?
Google says they want to set an open source 'standard' and I think that is commendable. But it feels like the whole process of implementing and supporting the Android OS is stuck in the '80s - with the same problems and limitations that plagued the early CPM and MSDOS world. Surely Google has resources and smarts enough to do better!
Mostly I am surprised and disappointed that Google hasn't done a better job with this aspect of Android. Surely it will get better...
Google has acknowledged this issue, and it WILL get better. Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) will have even less fragmentation than honeycomb, and be on ALL devices from its release onward. many pre-existing devices will be upgraded to it as well, ending, for the most part, all android fragmentation.
Hello everyone, I know this is a long shot but: is anyone interested in porting Android to this excellent eBook Reader?
Device description is here: http://www.bookeen.com/en/cybook/odyssey
It is basically a Nook Touch Simple/Sony PRS T1 like device that features a very fast e-Ink display (amazingly fast for an e-Ink) and should support some tablet like use (browsing the web, reading a RSS feed) quite well. You can see here and here what HSIS (High Speed Ink System) can do.
Stock version is using a Linux 2.6.31 based OS (doesn't specify what flavor)
From the little I know the main problems with porting a Android whould be:
- possible locked bootloader on the Cybook Odyssey -> no way to know without the device
- supported chipset -> an ARM A8 based chipset is listed
- display drivers -> maybe those from regular pearl e-Ink can be used?
- wi-fi drivers -> again, depends on the chipset
I'm out of my league (php, web stuff) here but I plan to buy the device next month if there's hope for it
Ideas?
Hi!
I would point out, before getting your hopes up on the porting, the fact that you asked just one day after the launch of the device, makes one think that you're thoughts are audaciously early. So unless some xda-developers are Bokeen insiders and, ahem, unbound by their job to work on this matter, either waiting or is the thing to do. Or, ahem, , learning how to port?
The chances I see for this port to happen are small (but than again still possible). Perhaps we could see if the linux running it might offer more flexibility and run apps directly (?). Porting would would have it's obvious advantages ... an Android with it's screen technology superior to any current eInk readers, except the Mirasol powered ones perhaps (those are limited to Korea for now) would we awesome.
csioucs said:
Hi!
I would point out, before getting your hopes up on the porting, the fact that you asked just one day after the launch of the device, makes one think that you're thoughts are audaciously early. So unless some xda-developers are Bokeen insiders and, ahem, unbound by their job to work on this matter, either waiting or is the thing to do. Or, ahem, , learning how to port?
The chances I see for this port to happen are small (but than again still possible). Perhaps we could see if the linux running it might offer more flexibility and run apps directly (?). Porting would would have it's obvious advantages ... an Android with it's screen technology superior to any current eInk readers, except the Mirasol powered ones perhaps (those are limited to Korea for now) would we awesome.
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Is there any news on debugging and or development possibilities on that platform? I have seen the gpl'ed linux source released at bookeen's site.
I have yet not found any pictures of a disassembled device and do not know if customized firmware updates are possible.
Would very much appreciate any news on that topic!
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Is there any news on debugging and or development possibilities on that platform? I have seen the gpl'ed linux source released at bookeen's site.
I have yet not found any pictures of a disassembled device and do not know if customized firmware updates are possible.
Would very much appreciate any news on that topic!
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I would also be interested in customized firmware for cybook odyssey. thanks
Any news on this anybody?
Anyone still watching this? I'd like to try to do it, but it's over my head, skill wise...
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Anyone still watching this? I'd like to try to do it, but it's over my head, skill wise...
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I know that internally some version of android ran on the device, but it's really not worth to do this. Android is absolutely not suited for such device and screen.
To install personalised linux/software, first crack the update format, then the device will be open to you...
First, let me unravel what I mean by the title...
Apple offers updates to most if not all iOS devices when a new version of iOS comes out. I can be mistaken about this, but it really doesn't make my coming point invalid.
Most major GNU/Linux distributions supports a **** ton of hardware via the Linux kernel and can thus be installed on a lot of different computer configurations. Arch and others manage to have a rolling release, while Ubuntu and others can be updated to the latest version every time there is a new one.
Now, the Android kernel is a fork of the Linux kernel.... yet to my knowlegde, Cyagen Mod is the closest thing we have to an "Android Distrobution" that works on several devices... yet the latest stable release for my Optimus 2X was in October 2011 (Android 2.3).
My guess is that, as of 2012, the number of Android users has far surpassed the number of Linux Desktop Users.
So my question is, why can't I have an up to date Android experience on my phone?
One simple answer would be to blame NVIDIA for not updating their tegra-drivers... I might be extremely uninformed, but I believe I had a working tegra driver in my stock android 2.3 version. So why not patch the same driver for 4.1? Is Android 4.1 really that different? Why arn't more people working on this? No commercial interest? Has that ever grinded the linux community to a halt?
I want 10 stable Android distibutions by Friday afternoon... Go!
No, but seriously... I understand there are a lot of developers working on bringing the latest Android experience to all sorts of devices.
How do you think Android is going to get when Ubuntu, Tizen, or even Firefox OS appear?
I find Android really wasteful in resources, and any developer will confirm that Android can't get the max out of any hardware (due to Java VM)
Until now, Android didn't actually have any competitor, iOS is closed source, and Apple makes 1000$ devices, and phones with Android with the same specs (or better) are at no more than 800$ (correct me, I don't use $ in Romania)... The other competitor is still existent, Windows... it is really smooth, fast, looks cool, but it seems to be a marketing fail+not open source
Tizen and Firefox OS seem to be having only HTML5-based apps... which means it will be a rendering engine processing everything... just another kind of VM in my opinion they have the same smoothness Android has, from what I saw
However, Ubuntu seems to be a lot like the PC version, smooth, fast, user friendly, and will be able to run NATIVE (no VM) applications, which will make it a lot faster, even for lower end devices
Where do you think Android is going to go when they will be released? Yes, I am asking you and expressing my opinion, please Google before answering (yes, one cool thing about Android is the full Google integration)
Tizen - announced to be released this year
Ubuntu and Firefox OS - 2014
I really don't know the answer.
I've never seen Tizen and FF OS so I can't tell.
I know iOS and Windows aren't open source so we can't "deal" with them.
Ubuntu isn't user friendly at all, in fact, all Linux is NOT user friendly, at least comparing to Windows.
Right now, I just enjoy the beauty of Android until some things blow it away.
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I really don't know the answer.
I've never seen Tizen and FF OS so I can't tell.
I know iOS and Windows aren't open source so we can't "deal" with them.
Ubuntu isn't user friendly at all, in fact, all Linux is NOT user friendly, at least comparing to Windows.
Right now, I just enjoy the beauty of Android until some things blow it away.
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Linux is just the kernel Ubuntu is a distro, and Android can also be called a distro, but for mobile platform
Re: [Q] Future of Android
A good question with uncertain answer. We can't say about the future of android.
But what i can say is that a new device with new platform will take some time to get good market. Since android is the largest selling platform in the world it takes some time to survive the competition.
Android will be fine. Ubuntu didn't convince majority to leave their investment in Windows, and they'll have same problem moving people from android.
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Android will be fine. Ubuntu didn't convince majority to leave their investment in Windows, and they'll have same problem moving people from android.
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Ubuntu can't convince me to switch because I can't give the PC to anyone, they say "wtf is that sh*t?"
And plus, it is a lot harder to get the drivers for my Optimus laptop... and gaming is slower in wine if more games had native clients for Linux
Re: [Q] Future of Android
Go with ubuntu you will never be mistaken........
I hate my X and love my Next.......... Conditions apply*
Google might expand the NDK API (native development kit) so you could make an entire app with it. Anyway i think most Games is written using it nowdays, since Java is so (too) slow.
The Google ecosystem is getting so large, i don't think that Ubuntu will have the resources to get anywhere near that.
Talking about Future of Android, I heard that WINE application which run in linux is being developed for android
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In future android will surely come up very much..
May be the andriod can interact by talking.
At that time we will ask mods to build our regional languages
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I wonder if a sensor that is capable of detecting our eyeball movement, that could be used for scrolling and other purposes
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I wonder if a sensor that is capable of detecting our eyeball movement, that could be used for scrolling and other purposes
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SIV's eyeScroll?
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I wonder if a sensor that is capable of detecting our eyeball movement, that could be used for scrolling and other purposes
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Actually, I hate solutions that try to "think" for me, and guess what I want to do. Even if they are right 70%, they are still wrong the other 30%...
And it feels like my phone (or a car, or whatever) is forcing me to do things I do not want to do. That a developer thinks he is smarter than me.
I get used to functionalities presented this way but they are still irritating.
I just imagined a number of times this eyeball movement sensor would be wrong... wrrrrr....
Hello,
I have a LG L90 D415 that I bought back in 2014 and is working perfectly. I was using it with the last official update sent by the manufacturer (Andorid 5.1.1 Lollipop), but one single APP stop working and when I check for that APP, for it to work I needed to have Android 6 Marshmallow. Problem was that the manufacturer stop supporting the unit and they decided not to provide any other update beyond 5.1.1. Luckily I found that there was version 7 Nougat for my unit as an AOSP with Linange OS. Me, being an ignorant of android configuration, had a hard time installing it but finally was able to make it work. If not for that APP that stop working I would never change the OS but at the end I was happy, it was like having a new phone. I was able to install the APP and make it work. Then few days ago I read this article:
Devices may stop working next year: Here's why
The article is talking about devices that won't be able to work due to outdated security certificates. Specifically about andorid devices using Android version 7 Nougat (the one that I recently install on the phone), the article says:
The most vulnerable devices
Helme said users of Windows computers won't need to worry, as Microsoft has built in constant updating of certificates. Web browsers on most platforms get certificate updates regularly. And because iPhones get system updates so frequently, "I wouldn't be too concerned about this problem if I was an iOS user (I am)."
"But it looks like Android users might have some concerns in the not too distant future," Helme added.
That's because as of April 2020, nearly 40% of all Android devices visible to Google were using now-unsupported Android versions such as Nougat or earlier. (These statistics don't include Amazon Fire tablets, Xiaomi Mi phones or other devices that run non-Google versions of Android.) Many of those older devices may soon lose the ability to connect to most app servers and websites.
Since I have an old unit it seems that there is no interest from the LinageOS people to build at least version 8 of Android for the LG L90. So I need to ask, What are my options? Is there a way to find updated security certificates?
Please advise.
3d1l said:
Hello,
I have a LG L90 D415 that I bought back in 2014 and is working perfectly. I was using it with the last official update sent by the manufacturer (Andorid 5.1.1 Lollipop), but one single APP stop working and when I check for that APP, for it to work I needed to have Android 6 Marshmallow. Problem was that the manufacturer stop supporting the unit and they decided not to provide any other update beyond 5.1.1. Luckily I found that there was version 7 Nougat for my unit as an AOSP with Linange OS. Me, being an ignorant of android configuration, had a hard time installing it but finally was able to make it work. If not for that APP that stop working I would never change the OS but at the end I was happy, it was like having a new phone. I was able to install the APP and make it work. Then few days ago I read this article:
Devices may stop working next year: Here's why
The article is talking about devices that won't be able to work due to outdated security certificates. Specifically about andorid devices using Android version 7 Nougat (the one that I recently install on the phone), the article says:
The most vulnerable devices
Helme said users of Windows computers won't need to worry, as Microsoft has built in constant updating of certificates. Web browsers on most platforms get certificate updates regularly. And because iPhones get system updates so frequently, "I wouldn't be too concerned about this problem if I was an iOS user (I am)."
"But it looks like Android users might have some concerns in the not too distant future," Helme added.
That's because as of April 2020, nearly 40% of all Android devices visible to Google were using now-unsupported Android versions such as Nougat or earlier. (These statistics don't include Amazon Fire tablets, Xiaomi Mi phones or other devices that run non-Google versions of Android.) Many of those older devices may soon lose the ability to connect to most app servers and websites.
Since I have an old unit it seems that there is no interest from the LinageOS people to build at least version 8 of Android for the LG L90. So I need to ask, What are my options? Is there a way to find updated security certificates?
Please advise.
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If the manufacturer stops supports a device and if the device is no longer supported by custom development in the android user community and if security updates are no longer supported by the manufacturer or by custom android developers, the only other options are to support the software development yourself, if possible, or get a new device. You obviously won't be able to do the software/security support yourself so that leaves you only the option of getting a new device.
By the way, whoever wrote that article is an idiot iOS user. Yes, Apple will continue to release security updates, but, not for all Apple devices, they don't offer updates/support on their older devices. Apple doesn't want its users to use Apple devices more than a year or two, for this reason, they discontinue support on those older devices to force its users to buy newer devices.
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Droidriven said:
If the manufacturer stops supports a device and if the device is no longer supported by custom development in the android user community and if security updates are no longer supported by the manufacturer or by custom android developers, the only other options are to support the software development yourself, if possible, or get a new device. You obviously won't be able to do the software/security support yourself so that leaves you only the option of getting a new device.
By the way, whoever wrote that article is an idiot iOS user. Yes, Apple will continue to release security updates, but, not for all Apple devices, they don't offer updates/support on their older devices. Apple doesn't want its users to use Apple devices more than a year or two, for this reason, they discontinue support on those older devices to force its users to buy newer devices.
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Thanks,
I definitively won't be able to built my own, I'm just a dumb ignorant normal user, I don't even know how I was able to pull it out, I'm talking about rooting with magisk and installing the Linage version 14 ROM. I read and read, ask a lot of questions that were never answered (nobody seems to be interested). It was like my android lifetime achievement and something that you are able to do only once in your life.
I was checking the phone status and it says that the last uptade that I have installed is Linage OS 14.1 (Andorid 7.1.2), with android security patch level 2019-01-05. I hope that that helps somehow. I also found that there is another ROM of Linage OS using Android 8 (Oreo), for the LG L90 but it says that it is unofficial, so I feel uneasy installing it. It's a shame, the phone is working so fine, it is my first and only smartphone and has been with me... well... more than seven years.