Let me start by saying I removed the pr.adapt apk that requested root permission. So anyways I received a notification on the my t-mo app about device health, wanted to check out what it said. It said battery was average, performance was good, and when I clicked on battery there was a report for GPS, Root, and Wifi. Says device is rooted. Soooo idk what that will affect for me but heads up for everyone else.
I disabled it and denied root permissions.
Where is the pr.adapt app located?
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Where is the pr.adapt app located?
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/system/priv-app/adaptclient
Reboot after it's done.
T-Mobile can see just about every aspect of your device. What apps you have installed, how much storage you have available, whether or not you're rooted. My line is on an employee account, my close friend works for them. You'd be surprised what info your device sends them even if you don't want it to.
It's funny, I called tech support yesterday, since the V10 is ****ting the bed here (GPS is a mile or so off, tons of dropped calls, speakerphone barely works) and the TWO techs I spoke to were like "Yeah, this is why I have the G4. I installed Cyanogenmod, and the phone is just perfect!"
I just played dumb and was like "Root? Like on plants? Hurrrrrrrr"
I've had one other application able to tell that I've rooted my phone. It is a bank app that now refuses to work because of the device being rooted .
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I've had one other application able to tell that I've rooted my phone. It is a bank app that now refuses to work because of the device being rooted .
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Which bank?
Tmo employee here. Just a heads up, if you want to turn off the data your device sends to T-Mobile, you have to go into the settings on the my T-Mobile app and turn off diagnostics and send data to T-Mobile. Usually everyone blindly agrees to in durring the initial device set up.
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I've had one other application able to tell that I've rooted my phone. It is a bank app that now refuses to work because of the device being rooted .
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parusia said:
Which bank?
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Security Service Federal Credit Union (so not a true bank but they hold my money)
stevenlong said:
I've had one other application able to tell that I've rooted my phone. It is a bank app that now refuses to work because of the device being rooted .
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If you have Xposed, install Rootcloak for Lollipop and add your app to it, problem solved.
thanks I'll give that a try.
Yes TMobile knows.....
what I know and what (im learning) w 2 rooted devices and some personal observation.
The PR apk is a battery killer. It forever runs in the background always asking for root. And they know when you root (if one of the three suspected apps isn't blocked from learning it. ) The device troubleshooting software is pretty amazing they can uninstall apps see what's. Installed. And the memory being used ect.) Even remote support w permission from user.
Its not only my Tmo app and the PR apk. LOOKOUT snitches on you too I think. (Pretty sure there is a partnership between lookout and the uncarrier)
Wifi calling and the hotspot app are both integrated into the system wifi apk (which I theorize to be how they monitor users trying to hide that ) (and one other method I know of companies finding out who is burning thru hotspot data.)
VoLTE drains battery. The call quality IS great but not worth what I see battery reduce to. (I suspect wifi calling also carries other secrets)
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what I know and what (im learning) w 2 rooted devices and some personal observation.
The PR apk is a battery killer. It forever runs in the background always asking for root. And they know when you root (if one of the three suspected apps isn't blocked from learning it. ) The device troubleshooting software is pretty amazing they can uninstall apps see what's. Installed. And the memory being used ect.) Even remote support w permission from user.
Its not only my Tmo app and the PR apk. LOOKOUT snitches on you too I think. (Pretty sure there is a partnership between lookout and the uncarrier)
Wifi calling and the hotspot app are both integrated into the system wifi apk (which I theorize to be how they monitor users trying to hide that ) (and one other method I know of companies finding out who is burning thru hotspot data.)
VoLTE drains battery. The call quality IS great but not worth what I see battery reduce to. (I suspect wifi calling also carries other secrets)
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Never really use the LOOKOUT app other than to scan apps I download outside of the Play Store... why do you suspect this app of being a snitch?
You can use Disable Bloatware from the app store to disable pradapt as well. No root needed.
I'm confused on the or.adapt all...is this part of the tmo app? I really want to get rid of that fricken app, especially before I consider rooting.
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Never really use the LOOKOUT app other than to scan apps I download outside of the Play Store... why do you suspect this app of being a snitch?
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it''s preinstalled on all their devices. except apple...not to mention tmobile finances their phones to 90 percent of their consumers....Personally i think they would have more than just the apps w their name on it to keep up with whats happening with devices the customer doesn't own yet. also one of the insurance packages offered by tmo includes a subscription to lookout.
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it''s preinstalled on all their devices. except apple...not to mention tmobile finances their phones to 90 percent of their consumers....Personally i think they would have more than just the apps w their name on it to keep up with whats happening with devices the customer doesn't own yet. also one of the insurance packages offered by tmo includes a subscription to lookout.
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thanks, good enough reason for me to remove!
suprap7 said:
I'm confused on the or.adapt all...is this part of the tmo app? I really want to get rid of that fricken app, especially before I consider rooting.
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Its an app that always asks for root it's safe to remove will probably require a. Reboot you will get toast about it not responding. After reboot they go away. I don't have it all figured out yet this is a seperate apk from the Tmo apps.it will ask for root as soon as you boot and are rooted deny it until you freeze or remove.
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what I know and what (im learning) w 2 rooted devices and some personal observation.
The PR apk is a battery killer. It forever runs in the background always asking for root. And they know when you root (if one of the three suspected apps isn't blocked from learning it. ) The device troubleshooting software is pretty amazing they can uninstall apps see what's. Installed. And the memory being used ect.) Even remote support w permission from user.
Its not only my Tmo app and the PR apk. LOOKOUT snitches on you too I think. (Pretty sure there is a partnership between lookout and the uncarrier)
Wifi calling and the hotspot app are both integrated into the system wifi apk (which I theorize to be how they monitor users trying to hide that ) (and one other method I know of companies finding out who is burning thru hotspot data.)
VoLTE drains battery. The call quality IS great but not worth what I see battery reduce to. (I suspect wifi calling also carries other secrets)
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So does anyone have any clue how to get the unlimited hotspot going on this? Cause it would be useful for YouTube on my laptop while stuck on a train
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Im not sure if this has been discussed before as I did search but cant find anything.
Today I called T-Mobile for the first time to complaint that my MMS is not working (known problem for samsung galaxy s 4g) and asking them when is the update available to fix this issue, and My SMS is in and out as well ?
I didnt tell him what program I have/downloaded on the phone since he didnt ask.
I get transfered straight to higher (level 2) technical support. He said dont touch the phone while he was checking something and the phone will reboot. The phone did reboot and the SMS get fixed.
This is what Alarmed me so much.
The tech support ( I wont publish his name here) know exactly what software I have on the phone (downloaded from the market), what is currently running, he also know I have advance task manager among other thing.
He even knew my Gmail address I use on the phone and google market account.
How is this possible ?
Is there anyway I can block this because I dont like when T-mobile snooping on my phone. If they can see the apps I downloaded on my phone and know my gmail address, know what apps currently running, Can they also access my email through my phone ?
Honestly never heard of that. Thats wild!
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Logmein app ? That's the only thing I can suspect
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Logmein app ? That's the only thing I can suspect
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I dont have that app on my phone
dude there are 30 plus million subscribers in t-mobile. unless your a celebrity or a son of bill gates or something they wont waste their time nosing on what you install or who you talk to everyday. anyway that less of your problems if you stress about that, they got your full name and ssn in file and a credit card number. if thay wanted to mess you up thats what they will go for.
I wouldn't sweat it too much, it's just like any computer service company that can push updates to your computer.. All they did was push an update and had your phone reboot.. Now if you had some terrorist shizah on there, then I'd be worried, but other than that, they've probably already forgotten about you!
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dude there are 30 plus million subscribers in t-mobile. unless your a celebrity or a son of bill gates or something they wont waste their time nosing on what you install or who you talk to everyday. anyway that less of your problems if you stress about that, they got your full name and ssn in file and a credit card number. if thay wanted to mess you up thats what they will go for.
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Dude
last time i see this is still USA where privacy matter whether you are celebrity or not.
You wouldnt enter someone else house without asking for permission wont you (unless if you want to get arrested ) ?
The guy didnt ask for permission and I never give my approval for Tmobile to snoop into my phone.
Like I said it suprise me for the tech support to mention the apps I downloaded , running in the background and my gmail account associated to my phone and market account.
Those action has nothing to do with fixing my SMS connection ???
It doesn't surprise me at all. The OTA capabilities are there in a lot of devices, including your DSL or cable modem. Google owns everything you do on your Android phone, including your location even when you're not doing anything. Unfortunately, the Facebook mentality about privacy is winning.
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nothing here
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I dont have that app on my phone
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Unless you removed it, yes, you do.
I was surprised to see it on my phone as well since I hadn't installed it.. talk about bloat... why would the phone come stock with this?
They've been doing this for years, it's nothing new at all.. Notice how you call and they automatically know what kind of phone you have? Same premise. I've called multiple times with phones that were unlocked from other networks also, they could see the phone, and never cared. Take off your tinfoil hat, there's nothing to worry about.
Yea they said let me check it to look up what phone u have and what faqs and problems. Dont be alarmed
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They've been doing this for years, it's nothing new at all.. Notice how you call and they automatically know what kind of phone you have? Same premise. I've called multiple times with phones that were unlocked from other networks also, they could see the phone, and never cared. Take off your tinfoil hat, there's nothing to worry about.
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No matter what phone you have, T-Mobile (and I'd assume AT&T) can find out what phone you are using, even if it's not a T-Mobile branded phone.
I wouldn't worry, they aren't gonna do some stupid **** with that, they just did that to repair your phone. I honestly doubt they'd risk losing a customer over a little thing like that.
Google is the one you should be worried about. They know where your phone is, exactly to the millimeter (I don't think that really works with the Vibrant though. xD).
u called to get your phone fixed didnt you? and they did just that didnt they? if you are so worried about your privacy i got a old motorola razr sitting in my closet, ill gladly trade your sgs4
Google is the devil, and will take over the planet, and join steve jobs. Put on your tin foil hats!
To further this, its done through rescue me. It is built into the kernel. On the Vibrant froyo leaks i have leaked out it is there also. We just remove the Rescue Me app.
I can remove the drivers and credentials from the kernel if people are that concerned about it. I wouldnt be though.
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A sysctl to enable/disable would be my personal choice, but I have yet to build custom kernels for Android (though have for FreeBSD and OpenWRT) so I don't know how feasible that is with the source access we have.
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Dude
last time i see this is still USA where privacy matter whether you are celebrity or not.
You wouldnt enter someone else house without asking for permission wont you (unless if you want to get arrested ) ?
The guy didnt ask for permission and I never give my approval for Tmobile to snoop into my phone.
Like I said it suprise me for the tech support to mention the apps I downloaded , running in the background and my gmail account associated to my phone and market account.
Those action has nothing to do with fixing my SMS connection ???
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I'm a computer repair tech. One of the first questions I'm going to ask is have you installed any new hardware or software? Most of the time I've found out software was the root problem of the issue. Not always, just Most of the time. So, it doesn't supprise me that he can see what is installed on your phone. It gives him a idea of what the problem can be. I would be more concerned what NSA or space aliens are doing with your phone.
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Take off your tinfoil hat, there's nothing to worry about.
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heartspains88 said:
Put on your tin foil hats!
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nwpro3 said:
I'm a computer repair tech. I would be more concerned what space aliens are doing with your phone.
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Pass that roll of tin foil will you fellas ?
I like mine shaped like a tricorne .
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A sysctl to enable/disable would be my personal choice, but I have yet to build custom kernels for Android (though have for FreeBSD and OpenWRT) so I don't know how feasible that is with the source access we have.
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Its not in the source. Its in the initramfs. There are also binaries in /system/bin
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So as we all might be aware of: Verizon has blocked all tethering apps from the Android Market...
I started this post to see your thoughts and ask this: does using a custom ROM let you access those apps from the market???
Or is there no way around this???
(I know about applanet BTW)
dannycarrasco8708 said:
So as we all might be aware of: Verizon has blocked all tethering apps from the Android Market...
I started this post to see your thoughts and ask this: does using a custom ROM let you access those apps from the market???
Or is there no way around this???
(I know about applanet BTW)
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No.
But you can still easily sideload apps.
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
Are most apps sideloadable???
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Are most apps sideloadable???
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You can sideload any .apk.
Is there a major site with all .apk's in it???
barnacle is still there
dannycarrasco8708 said:
Is there a major site with all .apk's in it???
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yes there are but that would be totally frowned upon for anyone to ask for or post links to warez site on xda due to the xda rules.....just a friendly fyi and be careful
Thanks for the FYI... I will keep that in mind
There are some Roms that come wirh wireless tether. Look at the Roms and kernel forum. I know I saw one but can't remember which one it was.
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In re: eliciting thoughts on the matter:
I don't think it's right for Verizon to be able to block any applications from the Market for any reason. If Google wants to remove malicious applications, that's one thing; but censoring our ability to download what we want just pisses me off.
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In re: eliciting thoughts on the matter:
I don't think it's right for Verizon to be able to block any applications from the Market for any reason. If Google wants to remove malicious applications, that's one thing; but censoring our ability to download what we want just pisses me off.
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I don't disagree, but get used to it. Google is going to be bending over for the carriers in order to push Android.
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In re: eliciting thoughts on the matter:
I don't think it's right for Verizon to be able to block any applications from the Market for any reason. If Google wants to remove malicious applications, that's one thing; but censoring our ability to download what we want just pisses me off.
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I think Verizon has the right to block apps that will allow or aid people in violating their Terms Of service (VZW's TOS for the smart phone data plan says it doesn't cover tethering, if you want to tether you must purchase a tethering plan)
and before anyone starts... there are MANY MANY other threads already discussing tethering without paying for it, "data is data", its right/wrong, etc...
Now, once VZW switches to tiered data plans with caps and overages, then I see no reason for them to disallow these type of apps, and still have that clause in their TOS... because at that point, if you use enough data to go over your tier's limit, you're gonna pay for it anyway...
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I think Verizon has the right to block apps that will allow or aid people in violating their Terms Of service (VZW's TOS for the smart phone data plan says it doesn't cover tethering, if you want to tether you must purchase a tethering plan)
and before anyone starts... there are MANY MANY other threads already discussing tethering without paying for it, "data is data", its right/wrong, etc...
Now, once VZW switches to tiered data plans with caps and overages, then I see no reason for them to disallow these type of apps, and still have that clause in their TOS... because at that point, if you use enough data to go over your tier's limit, you're gonna pay for it anyway...
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Their idea of a reasonable cap rates are crazy.... Until they offer a reasonably priced unlimited plan I will continue to use data at the same rate my phone will anyway, just on a larger screen....
I like Verizon, been using them over 10 years, they suck now, they bully their customers around too much anymore just because they are big red... Its a shame they are still the best company out there.
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From Android Central:
Update: As several have mentioned, it's quite possible to keep carriers from meddling with your Android Market experience. If you have an AT&T phone, you can pop the SIM card out and use Wifi to browse the Market; and enabling Airplane Mode, then turning on Wifi works for both AT&T and Verizon phones.
So if you turn on Airplane Mode and use the Market with a Wifi connection, all the apps should be there ready to download and install.
It's not just verizon wanting applications removed:
So why was Gensoid taken down? According to the developer, it was at the request of Sega. They must have contacted Google and gotten the emulator taken off the market. What exactly Sega claimed in order to take it down isn't know as Google usually isn't forthcoming with details, just general overviews, when asked. The next question is, why now?
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http://www.droidgamers.com/index.ph...-yongzh-gensoid-is-no-more-at-least-right-now
Is barnacle good? Or is it worth it to try and find the apk for other apps?
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Is barnacle good? Or is it worth it to try and find the apk for other apps?
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My only problem with barnacle is that is only does WEP whereas the mobile hotspot does WPA.
We can still use the default wifi app. Other than that I wouldn't tether for a while until we know what verizon plans on doing. I wouldnt be surprised to see them take a big stance against tethering as it weighs down the network.
Remember people verizon is also a home internet service provider so when you tether and disband you're home isp verizon is losing out on both tethering and money from internet service providing.
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From Android Central:
So if you turn on Airplane Mode and use the Market with a Wifi connection, all the apps should be there ready to download and install.
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This didn't work on my phone. Airplane mode shuts down wifi connection also.
br10der1 said:
This didn't work on my phone. Airplane mode shuts down wifi connection also.
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Enable airplane mode then wifi. Worked for me!
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http://phandroid.com/2013/05/16/att-blocking-google-hangouts/
How do you guys even bother with such a crappy cell phone provider? Blocking boot-loaders, and blocking google hangout now? What the hell?
I am with Telus in Canada and they allow eveything.
well, they dont really have a choice, we might have unlocked bootloader and our carriers dont block much but they do own our ass a full year longer than in the US
GTalkEnabler , it's in the market and it allows gtalk and hangout video chating over 3g/4g
retested it with the new Hangouts
also I thought that was Google's doing, didn't know carriers can control such features within someone else's app o.o
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Nope, it was AT&T's doing. Just like they did with the Iphone's facetime. If they can do it to Apple, they can definitely do it to Google...
It is true, Canadian providers strangle us for 3 years instead of 2
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also I thought that was Google's doing, didn't know carriers can control such features within someone else's app o.o
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it is, but by ATTs request. Just like they requested wallet not to be accessible for ATT users, just like they asked samsung to block the dropbox promo, they ask and others do
Sh$$ att is getting worse and worse. I think I am going to sell my phones.
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it is, but by ATTs request. Just like they requested wallet not to be accessible for ATT users, just like they asked samsung to block the dropbox promo, they ask and others do
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I still don't know why Google complies with these "requests", they should just tell the carriers to pack sand and release the apps (or features) anyways.
I literally just did a hangout on the way home yesterday over mobile data. Is this an updated version of Google+? Maybe I won't update.
Nevermind- just followed the links and saw that this is the *new* hangout app which is going to replace Talk apparently. What I'm not clear about is whether this replaces the Talk apk or the Google+ current apk?
Did some more reading. So this is in fact a Talk replacement. From the Play Store:
First, title is Hangouts (replaced Talk)
and then
NOTE: If you aren't yet able to install Hangouts on your phone or tablet, or the Play Store "Open" button takes you to the old Talk app, hang tight, we are rolling out Hangouts to everyone over the course of several days. Rest assured Hangouts will be available soon for all Android 2.3+ devices, tablets included!
So they will push this out to all. Not really a big deal since you couldn't video with talk right now anyway. But from an integration perspective it sucks. I'm wondering why AT&T would block this and still allow the google+ app to do hangouts over their network. They must assume that many more would use this over the Google+ app.
It also notes that there will be no "invisible" mode. Kinda stupid to take that away. I use it all the time. I hope they don't force the updates.
Direct link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.talk
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I still don't know why Google complies with these "requests", they should just tell the carriers to pack sand and release the apps (or features) anyways.
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ATT is the client here...i dont agree with their policies but it is in their full right to make those demands. Imagine if you have kids, and you dont want your kids to go on X and Y sites, well you can ask the provider to block those websites. The kids might not agree with their parents but the fact is, it is their rights. And before the trolls come in and start saying that this and that doesnt hold up in my story, please, shhhhush, it's an analogy of principale and not a fact.
Does anyone know how to force the Hangouts update? I still have Talk and I can't figure out how to update to Hangouts. I can't from play via browser or the play app.
I found a APK online and when I try to install, it says "did not update" or something. I checked "install from other sources", but it didn't help.
anyone have any idea how to force the update without root.
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ATT is the client here...i dont agree with their policies but it is in their full right to make those demands. Imagine if you have kids, and you dont want your kids to go on X and Y sites, well you can ask the provider to block those websites. The kids might not agree with their parents but the fact is, it is their rights. And before the trolls come in and start saying that this and that doesnt hold up in my story, please, shhhhush, it's an analogy of principale and not a fact.
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I could see that argument maybe if you are talking about subsidized phones which (again arguably) are leased from the carrier, but the same restrictions apply if you have bought your phone outright.
In this instance (or in the case of Wallet) Google is a 3rd party software developer, to try for a similar analogy it's if my kids teacher told the grocery store not to sell me certain foods because they don't want my kid eating them.
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Does anyone know how to force the Hangouts update? I still have Talk and I can't figure out how to update to Hangouts. I can't from play via browser or the play app.
I found a APK online and when I try to install, it says "did not update" or something. I checked "install from other sources", but it didn't help.
anyone have any idea how to force the update without root.
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If you are rooted just downnload Titanium Backup and Uninstall the Talk App, then download Hangouts from Play Store, that's what I did last night, if you are not rooted then I still don't know how to do it.
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If you are rooted just downnload Titanium Backup and Uninstall the Talk App, then download Hangouts from Play Store, that's what I did last night, if you are not rooted then I still don't know how to do it.
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I tried exactly that, even rebooted after uninstalling Talk but before installing hangouts but I was still not able to start a video chat over cellular.
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I could see that argument maybe if you are talking about subsidized phones which (again arguably) are leased from the carrier, but the same restrictions apply if you have bought your phone outright.
In this instance (or in the case of Wallet) Google is a 3rd party software developer, to try for a similar analogy it's if my kids teacher told the grocery store not to sell me certain foods because they don't want my kid eating them.
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yes, but an outright phone is still "renting" service from ATT regardless. Its like when you buy or rent a modem from an internet company, or a car, or anything else for that matter, if the provider said no, then you wont get your candy. in any case, we have already determined that ATT are aholes, they block so much good stuff for their clients, i'm speaking about tethering, facetime and other, i dont know why US carriers are like that but here in canada, we dont have all those restrictions, and we are just north of you, we technically can share line and service...
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http://phandroid.com/2013/05/16/att-blocking-google-hangouts/
How do you guys even bother with such a crappy cell phone provider? Blocking boot-loaders, and blocking google hangout now? What the hell?
I am with Telus in Canada and they allow eveything.
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Couldn't we just follow the instructions from said site and that would enable us access?
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mr_blanket said:
Does anyone know how to force the Hangouts update? I still have Talk and I can't figure out how to update to Hangouts. I can't from play via browser or the play app.
I found a APK online and when I try to install, it says "did not update" or something. I checked "install from other sources", but it didn't help.
anyone have any idea how to force the update without root.
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You can force the update by installing through the Play Store on a browser instead of the Play Store app.
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You can force the update by installing through the Play Store on a browser instead of the Play Store app.
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Can you explain how to do this? on the browser, it says its already installed
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Can you explain how to do this? on the browser, it says its already installed
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From your Web browser one you select install it will list all your devices even if it says you have it installed it should still work... Just make sure you do it from the desktop version the mobile one won't work I believe.
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From your Web browser one you select install it will list all your devices even if it says you have it installed it should still work... Just make sure you do it from the desktop version the mobile one won't work I believe.
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I appreciate the help. It looks like I can update the Nexus, but not the S4...
Hello everyone,
I've been hopping around, trying to do some research on this but decided to make a post to confirm and also in hopes of informing others.
Is it true that once rooting the Note 5, we permanently lose Samsung Pay abilities due to tripping the KNOX meter?
Thanks!
Yes, the way Samsung designed Samsung pay is to make it as secure as possible, and unfortunately that includes blocking access on modded devices. Is there a way around this? I belive it would have to involve tricking Knox and I don't think it will be easy.
With that said, the galaxy s6 had a root that didn't trip knox. Even still, had to be extremely careful after that with flashing roms and such but it was b possible.
It's really the only thing that's going to make me think twice about rooting.
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Indeed. I know there are alternatives like PayPal but what about Android Pay? Will we still be able to use that as an alternative, after root?
I dug around the Korean Samsung pay apk that's floating around and I found where it's doing that check, it's just a matter of disabling it and seeing it it works. Also, the string says something to the effect of "this application won't work on rooted devices for security, please unroot your device to use Samsung pay". Notice it says unroot. We'll see what the reality is when we get our hands on the final US apk.
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This is my only concern at this point. While I don't know for sure how much if at all I'll be using Samsung Pay, I don't want to root and trip Knox quite yet so I can at least try it when it's released.
You guys are exactly in my situation. I want root but i think samsung pay might be a nice feature.. speacially sonce it works anywhere eith a card reader, not just tap and go.. only if they swipe only. Some how samsung pay still works... thats awesome
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egren58 said:
You guys are exactly in my situation. I want root but i think samsung pay might be a nice feature.. speacially sonce it works anywhere eith a card reader, not just tap and go.. only if they swipe only. Some how samsung pay still works... thats awesome
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It has a magnet that emukayes your cards magnetic strip
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It has a magnet that emukayes your cards magnetic strip
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All i know is thats awsome
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What about if we used root cloak and or Xprivacy on xposed to hide detection of root or somthing? Maybe somone needs to create an app like root cloak that his the detection of it checking if you tripped Knox? Also why is everyone so worried about Samsung Pay Google Wallet allows you to use the app on rooted debices and it does the NFC paying and they send you a physical debit card. You can even send money to people through the app too.
Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
I've been accepted into Samsung Pay beta testing and unfortunately since I've tripped knox this is what happens. I have the apk files for both the app and framework.
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What about if we used root cloak and or Xprivacy on xposed to hide detection of root or somthing? Maybe somone needs to create an app like root cloak that his the detection of it checking if you tripped Knox? Also why is everyone so worried about Samsung Pay Google Wallet allows you to use the app on rooted debices and it does the NFC paying and they send you a physical debit card. You can even send money to people through the app too.
Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
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I agree 1,000%. Google Wallet is accepted at a lot of places and works well while rooted. If I have to part with Samsung Pay to 1) Turn the camera shutter sound off on my phone via Root Explorer...2) Disable a bunch of Samsung bloat I don't use...3) Have the ability to back up my apps and data as well as restore them...4)Customize my phone using XPosed and Wanam on a deodexed stock rom...etc, then it's not even a close trade off. I'm going with root 3 times out of 4.
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Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
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Yes, Samsung Pay uses MST (magnetic secure transmission), aka the tech they acquired from LoopPay. This allows you to use your phone to pay at terminals, even if they don't have NFC. It'll emulate the magnetic field created when you physically swipe your card. So, basically it'll work in most places that Google Wallet (or Apple Pay) won't.
Sure, you can just use the Google Wallet card, but if you have it connected to multiple accounts, it's not always easy to remember which one is set as default or to change on the fly the one you want to use. At least with Samsung Pay & the Wallet app, I can choose my card on the fly.
I'm in the beta and raring to go. Sadly my BoA debit card was compromised earlier in the week and so I have to wait for the new one to arrive before I can test.
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I've been accepted into Samsung Pay beta testing and unfortunately since I've tripped knox this is what happens. I have the apk files for both the app and framework.
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Did you try odin back to stock and activating Samsung Pay? If not, can you try it out and let us know the results?
I got into Samsung Pay today but too sick to go try it out somewhere.
RMXO said:
Did you try odin back to stock and activating Samsung Pay? If not, can you try it out and let us know the results?
I got into Samsung Pay today but too sick to go try it out somewhere.
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Any update? Did you ever try it?
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Yes, Samsung Pay uses MST (magnetic secure transmission), aka the tech they acquired from LoopPay. This allows you to use your phone to pay at terminals, even if they don't have NFC. It'll emulate the magnetic field created when you physically swipe your card. So, basically it'll work in most places that Google Wallet (or Apple Pay) won't.
Sure, you can just use the Google Wallet card, but if you have it connected to multiple accounts, it's not always easy to remember which one is set as default or to change on the fly the one you want to use. At least with Samsung Pay & the Wallet app, I can choose my card on the fly.
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So I too have been accepted to the beta for Samsung pay. The only issue is I don't have any qualifying debit or credit cards to add because they don't have that many the day except at this time which is kind of dumb. But you spoke of LoopPay and I had also read that Samsung had acquired that or something like that so I checked in Google Play and sure enough LoopPay is still there so I thought hey if they have this cool feature where you can just use existing card readers and phone acts as a magnetic strip and seeing how the new Samsung phones have a feature built in and that it's possible that it works if you're rooted or if it doesn't it probably just checks for root and in theory you could just use root cloak to hide your route for the app so I thought why not download LoopPay.
So I downloaded Lupe installed it I'm verified my information but then when I go to add cards it says you currently don't have a connecting device to add a card because with LoopPay it requires you to buy a fob that plugs in to where the 3.5 mm or you can also use a card reader in the 3.5 mm which costs around 40 or 50 bucks. If the LoopPay hardware is built into our devices why does it ask me to have these add ons hooked into the 3.5 mm? Why would they do this? that seems pretty stupid if you ask me.
Maybe they can update LoopPay to not have to have the additional hardware that you need to buy. As far as what I've been saying about the app there's no information in Google Play saying that they are emerging over the Samsung pay for that the apps closing but I could be or they just haven't released anything yet. But it would be kind of a stupid move to murder / to Samsung pay for everyone because not everybody has a Samsung device and won't be able to use samsung pay so maybe that's why is not changing or merging.
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I agree 1,000%. Google Wallet is accepted at a lot of places and works well while rooted. If I have to part with Samsung Pay to 1) Turn the camera shutter sound off on my phone via Root Explorer...2) Disable a bunch of Samsung bloat I don't use...3) Have the ability to back up my apps and data as well as restore them...4)Customize my phone using XPosed and Wanam on a deodexed stock rom...etc, then it's not even a close trade off. I'm going with root 3 times out of 4.
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Just wanted to give you a heads up that you can disable the camera shutter sound even if your bone stock or rooted just by going into the camera settings scrolling to the bottom and tapping the disable shutter sound button. Atleast Its def been in my camera app since the day I purchased my phone. Any who just wanted to point that out. Thanks
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Just wanted to give you a heads up that you can disable the camera shutter sound even if your bone stock or rooted just by going into the camera settings scrolling to the bottom and tapping the disable shutter sound button. Atleast Its def been in my camera app since the day I purchased my phone. Any who just wanted to point that out. Thanks
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I definitely don't have it. Its all good though. I have the Sprint variant of the phone.
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I definitely don't have it. Its all good though. I have the Sprint variant of the phone.
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Oh that makes sense, bring your Sprint device into a T-Mobile thread and complain
On a serious note, it seems like Sprint takes out quite a few features, kinda sucks. A simple feature for muting the shutter sound? Why remove?
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Oh that makes sense, bring your Sprint device into a T-Mobile thread and complain [emoji14]
On a serious note, it seems like Sprint takes out quite a few features, kinda sucks. A simple feature for muting the shutter sound? Why remove?
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Actually I was just speaking in general as far as people justifying why they root. Its pretty universal as far as what you can and can't do. ?
I actually haven't owned a Samsung device where you could turn the shutter sound off for Sprint. The last one I could was the HTC EVO LTE. Its an easy fix once rooted though. My Gear 2 had no shutter sound option either. I had to root it in order to turn it off. Its something about privacy or something like that. I can easily turn the volume on my Ringer to silent and it will remedy that problem.
I just got a note 5 on sprint and I love it, but I'm really not sure if I want to root. Every device since I got my Samsung moment has been rooted (htc evo 4g lte, s3,s5 for the day I had it, and then the g3). Anyways, my question is losing Samsung pay worth rooting? I mean I love all the things I can do with root, I just wanna know what everyone's opinion is, so I can weigh pros and cons of rooting.
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***get any available promotions before you root. I only got the free charger promo back in September***
-Root is useful all day everyday
-Samsung Pay is slightly useful at most a few times a day if ever
954wrecker said:
***get any available promotions before you root***
-Root is useful all day everyday
-Samsung Pay is slightly useful at most a few times a day if ever
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On that note, I can't get the $200 promotion to work... But what other promotions are there?
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Nevermind, turns out it was my Internet not uploading my receipt... So i did it on lte, and it was fine
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What's the $200 promo can someone share?
NotLinusTorvalds said:
What's the $200 promo can someone share?
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https://samsungpromotions.com/celebratefootball/Mobile
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I'm waiting on my promotions to go through, once they do, this thing is getting root treatment
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how to root
does anyone know how to root the sprint note 5. looking for a way thats the easiest and wont brick my phone. thanks
Antrock23 said:
does anyone know how to root the sprint note 5. looking for a way thats the easiest and wont brick my phone. thanks
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There is a thread on it here over in the general forum.
You need to use ODIN to flash TWRP and then flash a custom kernel, or just flash TWRP with ODIN and then flash a custom ROM. They are already rooted.
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***get any available promotions before you root. I only got the free charger promo back in September***
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Why do you say Samsung Pay is only slightly worth it?
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Why do you say Samsung Pay is only slightly worth it?
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How often does anyone go out without your keys and wallet and drivers license. I mean really, I used it a bunch when I went jogging, but it's not 100%. The first time it didn't work I luckily had my wallet and my regular card swiped just fine. I rooted my phone the second I got home that day.
It's totally up to the user to root if need be. I, however, chose not to root this phone only because everything I needed root for I can accomplish without it whilst keeping Samsung Pay and Android Pay intact. I use the latter more than the previous so root is a no go for me based on that. However, I've tried Samsung Pay a few times and it worked with no issues. You just have to ask yourself what exactly do I need root for? These were my needs for root and the fixes I found to accomplish what I needed without rooting:
Camera Shutter Sound fix( Enforced Stream Silencer app)
Hotspot Mod( APN Settings mod. Need MSL # for this which can be gotten through Sprint Chat)
Ad Remover( AdGuard Premium App)
APK Backups/Restore( App Backup and Restore app)
System UI Backup( Smart Switch on PC)
Bloatware Removal/System App Disabler( Package Disabler Pro)
Add any app to MW( MW- Pen App Enabler Pro)
Themes( Samsung Theme Store)
These can all be achieved without root. More importantly, everything works as it should and when you need it to work without getting the dreaded FC and doing trial and error to fix it. If the Pros outweigh the Cons then do it. If not, don't root.
I honestly don't miss it. I have more time to spend with my family and not trying to find what a developer took out to make a feature of the phone work. I get updates on time without waiting for a rooted rom to be posted. I'm not trolling XDA or any other blog seeing when the next update is to whatever rom I'm using to see if hopefully the issues I had with the rom were addressed with the new build. Do I miss root? Sometimes. But ultimately I'm glad I didn't root. This was my choice. As I said, everyone is different. You have to do what works for you. I love that I have full functionality of my phone and confidence knowing if I try a feature it will work as advertised.
I stayed stock for exactly 4 weeks and used samsung pay a few times a day with 5 different credit cards. I've been rooted for the past 3 months and i do NOT miss samsung pay at all. I reap the benefits of root all day everyday because of the amazing ROM dev @tdunham and the amazing KERNEL dev @UpInTheAir.
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It's totally up to the user to root if need be. I, however, chose not to root this phone only because everything I needed root for I can accomplish without it whilst keeping Samsung Pay and Android Pay intact. I use the latter more than the previous so root is a no go for me based on that. However, I've tried Samsung Pay a few times and it worked with no issues. You just have to ask yourself what exactly do I need root for? These were my needs for root and the fixes I found to accomplish what I needed without rooting:
Camera Shutter Sound fix( Enforced Stream Silencer app)
Hotspot Mod( APN Settings mod. Need MSL # for this which can be gotten through Sprint Chat)
Ad Remover( AdGuard Premium App)
APK Backups/Restore( App Backup and Restore app)
System UI Backup( Smart Switch on PC)
Bloatware Removal/System App Disabler( Package Disabler Pro)
Add any app to MW( MW- Pen App Enabler Pro)
Themes( Samsung Theme Store)
These can all be achieved without root. More importantly, everything works as it should and when you need it to work without getting the dreaded FC and doing trial and error to fix it. If the Pros outweigh the Cons then do it. If not, don't root.
I honestly don't miss it. I have more time to spend with my family and not trying to find what a developer took out to make a feature of the phone work. I get updates on time without waiting for a rooted rom to be posted. I'm not trolling XDA or any other blog seeing when the next update is to whatever rom I'm using to see if hopefully the issues I had with the rom were addressed with the new build. Do I miss root? Sometimes. But ultimately I'm glad I didn't root. This was my choice. As I said, everyone is different. You have to do what works for you. I love that I have full functionality of my phone and confidence knowing if I try a feature it will work as advertised.
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Thanks for your insight, is there a bloatware List that you referenced?
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Thanks for your insight, is there a bloatware List that you referenced?
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No. I usually just remove the stuff I know about like Nascar, Ebay, etc. The system apps I disable are usually like the Calculator, Picasa maybe and a couple other things.
still waiting for my promos to go through, once they do, im gonna root it