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Hi there,
I have been an avid iOS user since it came out in 2007. I owned an iPad 2 for long time and was very used to its speed. Surfing was really fun because scrolling was as soft as cutting through butter. I was thinking that this is how surfing was meant in the first place. Hence the iPad redefined "surfing" for me. I rarely used my Laptop after the iPad.
And... well, recently I bought the new Nexus 7 to see how far Android has gone. I never owned an Android device before. But i occasionally tested it over the years. My overall impression was, that it's too laggy. Even though today's android devices have strong hardware specs. It was laggy.
But I thought to myself: Google had 5 years to tune android. When I got the Nexus 7 I was hoping to get a fluent experience that I was used to from my iPad 2.
But no. One of the first things I did was to install Adobe Reader, because the main purpose was reading PDFs on the Nexus besides surfing. I was shocked. It was sluggish and really laggy. Even though the device had 2 GB of Ram and a high-speed CPU? I compared it to my 2 years old iPhone 4S. I installed the iOS version of Adobe reader and compared it to the nexus. It was fun to scroll. No, I mean it. After seeing it on the Nexus 7 it was great to have the speedy iOS below my finger tips. Then I spent several hours on searching for other PDF readers. I tried out many. Only a few had a considerably good speed. But those also had many downsides. Either they were really ugly or didn't provide important functions like bookmarks. Eventually I gave up and stuck to Adobe reader. What a miserable fail.
Surfing on the Nexus wasn't fun either. Chrome is even more sluggish. Not comparable to Safari on the iPad. Remember when I wrote that I put my Laptop aside in the most cases when I first got the iPad? In this case there was no urge to do so. Surfing was a pain.
I installed the AOSP browser. It was way better than Chrome considering speed and scrolling/zooming. But it had bugs on non root 4.3. The control elements disappeared regularly. And, yes, it wasn't beautiful.
How is this possible? Is this real? How come the Nexus fails at its two most important tasks? Surfing and reading PDFs?
In my eyes Google has failed. I gave them 5 years to make up their mistakes. They ended up making a device, that's behind my iPhone 4S considering the real life usage speed.
I don't care much about the specs. If it runs smooth, it's good. If not, it's not. My iPhone 4S has 512 MB of RAM and runs smoother than Google's state of the art device.
Ok, now I want to know your opinion about this matter. Did I do something wrong by having the same expectations that were set as standard for me by using an iPad?
ABBCC11 said:
Hi there,
I have been an avid iOS user since it came out in 2007. I owned an iPad 2 for long time and was very used to its speed. Surfing was really fun because scrolling was as soft as cutting through butter. I was thinking that this is how surfing was meant in the first place. Hence the iPad redefined "surfing" for me. I rarely used my Laptop after the iPad.
And... well, recently I bought the new Nexus 7 to see how far Android has gone. I never owned an Android device before. But i occasionally tested it over the years. My overall impression was, that it's too laggy. Even though today's android devices have strong hardware specs. It was laggy.
But I thought to myself: Google had 5 years to tune android. When I got the Nexus 7 I was hoping to get a fluent experience that I was used to from my iPad 2.
But no. One of the first things I did was to install Adobe Reader, because the main purpose was reading PDFs on the Nexus besides surfing. I was shocked. It was sluggish and really laggy. Even though the device had 2 GB of Ram and a high-speed CPU? I compared it to my 2 years old iPhone 4S. I installed the iOS version of Adobe reader and compared it to the nexus. It was fun to scroll. No, I mean it. After seeing it on the Nexus 7 it was great to have the speedy iOS below my finger tips. Then I spent several hours on searching for other PDF readers. I tried out many. Only a few had a considerably good speed. But those also had many downsides. Either they were really ugly or didn't provide important functions like bookmarks. Eventually I gave up and stuck to Adobe reader. What a miserable fail.
Surfing on the Nexus wasn't fun either. Chrome is even more sluggish. Not comparable to Safari on the iPad. Remember when I wrote that I put my Laptop aside in the most cases when I first got the iPad? In this case there was no urge to do so. Surfing was a pain.
I installed the AOSP browser. It was way better than Chrome considering speed and scrolling/zooming. But it had bugs on non root 4.3. The control elements disappeared regularly. And, yes, it wasn't beautiful.
How is this possible? Is this real? How come the Nexus fails at its two most important tasks? Surfing and reading PDFs?
In my eyes Google has failed. I gave them 5 years to make up their mistakes. They ended up making a device, that's behind my iPhone 4S considering the real life usage speed.
I don't care much about the specs. If it runs smooth, it's good. If not, it's not. My iPhone 4S has 512 MB of RAM and runs smoother than Google's state of the art device.
Ok, now I want to know your opinion about this matter. Did I do something wrong by having the same expectations that were set as standard for me by using an iPad?
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I'm not sure what you want. Are you asking a question?
As for your observations, I have a Nexus 7 and a Galaxy Note 8, as well as an iPad 2. I don't have the same experience that you describe even with the nexus 7 stock.
In terms of comparing the devices, they don't even come close. The iPad is an overpriced, crippled Kindle.
There are so many things that an Android based device can do that iOS device will never LET you do, even if you jailbreak.
Use the device you like ... it's as simple as that.
quattros said:
I'm not sure what you want. Are you asking a question?
As for your observations, I have a Nexus 7 and a Galaxy Note 8, as well as an iPad 2. I don't have the same experience that you describe even with the nexus 7 stock.
In terms of comparing the devices, they don't even come close. The iPad is an overpriced, crippled Kindle.
There are so many things that an Android based device can do that iOS device will never LET you do, even if you jailbreak.
Use the device you like ... it's as simple as that.
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Same here i have an ipad mini and a Note 2 and I even Use my Note more often then the ipad to surf the web etc...
The Android system is so more Open and has much more to offer...
The iPad is like a overpriced Browser for the Couch...
Sent from my Note 2
Ok, sorry guys. Let's stick to the following two questions:
1. Safari on iPad is smoother than any Android browser out there. Do you agree? Yes/No? Why not?
2. There is no good PDF reader for Android. They are all sluggish and/or don't provide good interface and/or bookmarks functionality. Do you agree? Yes/No? Why not?
What browser do you use on your note 2?
ABBCC11 said:
Ok, sorry guys. Let's stick to the following two questions:
1. Safari on iPad is smoother than any Android browser out there. Do you agree? Yes/No? Why not?
2. There is no good PDF reader for Android. They are all sluggish and/or don't provide good interface and/or bookmarks functionality. Do you agree? Yes/No? Why not?
What browser do you use on your note 2?
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Check out Dolphin browser.
Frankly I've seen ios based devices be sluggish / have crappy apps / not work right / fail just as much as any other device ... they're not made with fairy dust.
Well, I am not sure if this is intentional, but the tone you use is that of a biased fan, not of a person that wishes to hold an objective discussion.
Let's start from the beginning: Google does not manufacture every Android device. They do not manufacture your Nexus 7 (ASUS does), and they do not tinker their OS specifically for a particular device. Google release their code, and then manufacturers are tasked to implement it as they see fit. The issue at hand here is that Google's developers do not really have a 'base minimum' architecture with which to work. When they develop Android they have to take into account that their code will be run by 256MB as well as 3GB RAM devices. Or from single-core A7 700MhZ devices all the way to quad-core beasts. By default, it is hard to find the right balance. The end result is that Android is not designed/catered for a particular architecture.
By comparison, Apple works with specific architectures, which they were even involved in designing. They have a small handful devices to support, and they can make sure that things work smoothly from one device to another.
Objectively, I agree that iOS is more stable, fluid and responsive on the same hardware compared to an Android device of the same specifications. Of course, the problem here is that even with the same specification, due to different Android implementations you could have Android devices performing vastly differently. The beast in question here is complexity.
Nexus 7 is a decent device, but it is far from being high-end in Android. Given that Android seems to use more resources than iOS (in terms of RAM, but also in terms of CPU/GPU requirements -- and this is a direct consequence of having to work for a huge range of different architectures), it seems to me that almost no Android devices can offer you indisputably superior stability, fluidity and responsiveness. But it is hard to understand why Android can be 'slow'. For example, HTC One S overclocked running custom ROMs can be blazing fast. I would say almost, if not even better than (in certain situations) any iPhone device. Then, on the other hand, the Sony Xperia T which has the same CPU as the HTC One S is a very slow device, with many hangs and freezes with its stock ROM. The reason is different optimization, and the main culprit behind any discrepancies in performance for Android.
Apple's iPhone 'works out of the box'. It is stable, fluid and responsive. For the average user, I can completely understand why this is beneficial. To get the most out of Android, you are on the right way as there are many intelligent and hard-working people around here who work with particular devices trying to get the most out of them. I am certain that there is the right ROM + Kernel configuration for you out there that will help you get the most out of your Nexus 7.
With that said however, keep an eye on the new Spandragon 800 and Mediatek octacore devices. We are already seeing some incredibly powerful Android phones that I really believe you will find much faster on every account than the best iPhone out there right now.
grcd said:
Well, I am not sure if this is intentional, but the tone you use is that of a biased fan, not of a person that wishes to hold an objective discussion.
Let's start from the beginning: Google does not manufacture every Android device. They do not manufacture your Nexus 7 (ASUS does), and they do not tinker their OS specifically for a particular device. Google release their code, and then manufacturers are tasked to implement it as they see fit. The issue at hand here is that Google's developers do not really have a 'base minimum' architecture with which to work. When they develop Android they have to take into account that their code will be run by 256MB as well as 3GB RAM devices. Or from single-core A7 700MhZ devices all the way to quad-core beasts. By default, it is hard to find the right balance. The end result is that Android is not designed/catered for a particular architecture.
By comparison, Apple works with specific architectures, which they were even involved in designing. They have a small handful devices to support, and they can make sure that things work smoothly from one device to another.
Objectively, I agree that iOS is more stable, fluid and responsive on the same hardware compared to an Android device of the same specifications. Of course, the problem here is that even with the same specification, due to different Android implementations you could have Android devices performing vastly differently. The beast in question here is complexity.
Nexus 7 is a decent device, but it is far from being high-end in Android. Given that Android seems to use more resources than iOS (in terms of RAM, but also in terms of CPU/GPU requirements -- and this is a direct consequence of having to work for a huge range of different architectures), it seems to me that almost no Android devices can offer you indisputably superior stability, fluidity and responsiveness. But it is hard to understand why Android can be 'slow'. For example, HTC One S overclocked running custom ROMs can be blazing fast. I would say almost, if not even better than (in certain situations) any iPhone device. Then, on the other hand, the Sony Xperia T which has the same CPU as the HTC One S is a very slow device, with many hangs and freezes with its stock ROM. The reason is different optimization, and the main culprit behind any discrepancies in performance for Android.
Apple's iPhone 'works out of the box'. It is stable, fluid and responsive. For the average user, I can completely understand why this is beneficial. To get the most out of Android, you are on the right way as there are many intelligent and hard-working people around here who work with particular devices trying to get the most out of them. I am certain that there is the right ROM + Kernel configuration for you out there that will help you get the most out of your Nexus 7.
With that said however, keep an eye on the new Spandragon 800 and Mediatek octacore devices. We are already seeing some incredibly powerful Android phones that I really believe you will find much faster on every account than the best iPhone out there right now.
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Good, I've never paid attention to those.
I think it is not the hardware, but the software that is important.
No doubt the Nexus 7 has enough power to deliver a smooth browsing and PDF reading experience (see AOSP browser for example).
But the sluggish apps make you have no fun with the device. There is no decent PDF reader out there. Chrome is slow and AOSP is hard to install on non root devices.
Try dolphin 10 with jetpack browsing and ezpdf pro for pdfs.
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Try dolphin 10 with jetpack browsing and ezpdf pro for pdfs.
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Big agreement on Dolphin 10 with jetpack. Chrome and firefox are laggy, Stock browser stinks too.
Also agree w/ summary by 'grcd' above re: different hardware implementations using a stock OS. Take-away: Find the OEMs who are most responsive / most attentive / focused on quality and user experience. If you're a business user - find those that cater to business. If you only care about consumer media / gaming - the world is your oyster, eat it at your peril.
I work at the largest networking company in the world, and only two device vendors are 'recommended' buys for BYOD: Apple and Samsung... read between the lines.
FWIW:
My experience with Android (3 devices since 2.x) - on phones, 'multi-tasking' takes away from core phone functionality that should ALWAYS be prioritized. Phone functions should preempt all other actions in the device, every time, no exceptions. When i want to dial a number or respond to an incoming call, every other process had better bail / suspend / hibernate, whatever it takes to get out of the way. Think fire truck and heavy traffic - pull right / left and stop to get out of the way.
On tablets not used as phones, there should simply be consistency of operation, smoothness of interaction, it should feel elegant. Apple wins this hands down from what I've seen. I've never owned an apple product for daily use, and that still comes across loud and clear.
20 years in IT - I'm a tech geek by choice, love to fiddle with the bits... but starting to lean to less distraction with the apple hardware/software package. Thinking 'more do... less fiddle'.
Biggest apple gripes off topic: arbitrary cellular download limits (100MB in iOS 7), no SD/MicroSD, no USB, no Flash... hmmm, can I really live with that. May have to try one out for a couple of weeks.
happy computing!
I've always preferred the way Android devices scroll. On iOS you have to swipe a lot more to scroll through a page, where on Android one fast swipe will keep scrolling. iOS also has that annoying overscroll feature where the page keeps scrolling and then bounces back. I find that annoying as you have to wait for the bounce back to stop before you can start reading the page.
If you are ok with the limitations of iOS, nobody is stopping you from using it. For me personally I'd rather put up with a bit of lag if it means I get more features.
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2 troll points for effort but that's it.
I've also noticed that pdf and office software in general is very sluggish when compared to iOS. Browsing definitely isn't as smooth as well. Regardless, iOS 7 killed any love I had left for my iPad, so it looks like I'm on to a Windows tablet in the near future.
On an overclocked note 2, running a debloated ROM whips an iphone's speeds, coming from using both. Adobe reader is just slow by itself.
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I find it odd that no one's mentioned Naked Browser or Easy Browser!?
I use Naked Browser and it's very fast, no lags. Very efficient browser, very small RAM usage.
Only downside for some ppl would be the GUI, it's not meant to be pretty.
Really disappointed weak glass,speaker and cheating in benchmark
i want to upgrade from note 1 to note 3
after reading alot of reviews i found some issues
1- The video of an "androidauthority" that show drop test of Note 3 and its glass was broken , despite my note 1 fall from me many times and nothing was happen (gorilla glass 1) and till now non of any sites ( Samsung - Gsmarena - Phonearena .........) talked about screen protection and this was scary to me
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=note+3+drop+test
2-some reviews talked about the speaker of note 3 and all of them talked about its bad quality but it is loud enough . yesterday i read review http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/7
show that the loudness of speaker is only 71.92 db lower than note 2 and my note 1 :crying:
3-today i choked when reading the cheating in benchmark of note 3 at all phone sites
4-most of reviews done 4g version and i was planning to buy the 3g version
Waiting for more reviews and for comparing with its rivals ( LG G2 - Xperia Z1 - Acer Liquid S2 - Alcatel One Touch Hero -HTC Onemax - Lenovo Vibe Z)
Good for you. Take someone else at their word. For every bad review there are a 100 good ones. If you choose to focus on the bad ones then maybe the new iPhone is more your style. To each his own.
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dkb218 said:
Good for you. Take someone else at their word. For every bad review there are a 100 good ones. If you choose to focus on the bad ones then maybe the new iPhone is more your style. To each his own.
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LOL I hate iPhone series and i think they aren't rivals with note3 at all , but there are rivals still in same line and don't forget i ve note 1 from 2 years and it is still my little baby
Don't believe on every bullS**t that comes in front of you. If you liked note 1, you will love note 3 too. It is far better than even note 2 and people are loving it so note 1 doesn't even come closer. There is not even a single phone which is 100% perfect.
Hi,
I have upgraded from a Note 2 with custom rom (omega) and audio mods (Neak) to Note 3 Simfree quad core version.
My note 3 has all my apps inc Apex Pro Launcher.
1) The audio quality on the note 3 is defiantly better than my note 2, the call quality is amazingly clear, the music sounds better.
yes the speaker is not that loud compared to my modified note 2 but that some that a custom mod when released can fix.
2) i have not read the review but i have just done a AnTUTU Benchmark and my score is 35613
AnTUTU score 35613 (custom test with all options selected)
Quadrant Standard with score of 22279
Geekbench 2 Score 4095
The screen is amazing compared to my note two and the pictures quality is sharp, I will compare this with my sisters Samsung S4 when i get chance.
Edit: I did not like the S-Pen on the note 2 much on on Note 3 it feels much more natural when writing with the pen and the air view is brilliant when using S-Pen makes this much easier.
Thanks
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a5ian300zx said:
Hi,
I have upgraded from a Note 2 with custom rom (omega) and audio mods (Neak) to Note 3 Simfree quad core version.
My note 3 has all my apps inc Apex Pro Launcher.
1) The audio quality on the note 3 is defiantly better than my note 2, the call quality is amazingly clear, the music sounds better.
yes the speaker is not that loud compared to my modified note 2 but that some that a custom mod when released can fix.
2) i have not read the review but i have just done a AnTUTU Benchmark and my score is 35613
AnTUTU score 35613 (custom test with all options selected)
Quadrant Standard with score of 22279
Geekbench 2 Score 4095
The screen is amazing compared to my note two and the pictures quality is sharp, I will compare this with my sisters Samsung S4 when i get chance.
Edit: I did not like the S-Pen on the note 2 much on on Note 3 it feels much more natural when writing with the pen and the air view is brilliant when using S-Pen makes this much easier.
Thanks
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about the speaker i hope that will be better but about the review of benchmark you should read it as your test on benchmark is faked by samsung
Reviews are the opinion of the reviewer only try get one of your own and I guarantee you this device is definetly better than your note 1
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sehooo said:
about the speaker i hope that will be better but about the review of benchmark you should read it as your test on benchmark is faked by samsung
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Hi,
How is it faked? when i using 3rd benchmark tools to run some tests based on the CPU/RAM/GPU etc.. from the application itself, unless the application is picking up that is note 3 and then faking the result?
It does feel more responsive and faster than my note 2, I want to root it with custom rom and take out this samsung bloatware etc.
PS: I have just tested MX Player with DTS codec pack - I can playback full bluray with DTS-HD MA audio sample file m2ts and also 10bit MKV files.
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Why do you give much thought to drop tests? There is no scientific procedure with which these tests are carried out; basically, they are all luck based. But since it seems you put weight to them, maybe these two tests will put your mind more at ease.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXX_35xy8Rc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLea3KYD58
- As for the benchmark "cheating", basically what has been confirmed is that the phone preps all the four cores to 2.3GHz before the benchmarks begins (like revving the engine of a car before racing). it's worth noting that the Note3 still measures the highest scores even with this "booster" disabled. This is not the first time that manufacturers were caught trying to do this and it won't be the last.
- Why are you planning to buy the 3g version? The only reason you should get the 3g version is if you don't have another choice (i.e: they don't sell the 4g model in your country)
- As for the speakers, I honestly can't tell you as admittedly I'm not the best judge when it comes to audio. I sold my Note2 so I can't compare. What I can say is that I leave the volume at 13/15 when watching my videos and I have no problem hearing it in a quiet environment.
MohJee said:
Why do you give much thought to drop tests? There is no scientific procedure with which these tests are carried out; basically, they are all luck based. But since it seems you put weight to them, maybe these two tests will put your mind more at ease.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXX_35xy8Rc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLea3KYD58
- As for the benchmark "cheating", basically what has been confirmed is that the phone preps all the four cores to 2.3GHz before the benchmarks begins (like revving the engine of a car before racing). it's worth noting that the Note3 still measures the highest scores even with this "booster" disabled. This is not the first time that manufacturers were caught trying to do this and it won't be the last.
- Why are you planning to buy the 3g version? The only reason you should get the 3g version is if you don't have another choice (i.e: they don't sell the 4g model in your country)
- As for the speakers, I honestly can't tell you as admittedly I'm not the best judge when it comes to audio. I sold my Note2 so I can't compare. What I can say is that I leave the volume at 13/15 when watching my videos and I have no problem hearing it in a quiet environment.
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thx for videos
and about 3g version in our country data through 4g is very expensive and not practical for us and also the 4k video need more storage + highend tv ,so i preferred the octa core ver as i heard it use less power consumption by choosing the lowest core for idle and for small process and maybe after update from Samsung it can use the 8 core simultaneously and make higher performance than snapdragon after that update.That only what i think
a5ian300zx said:
Hi,
How is it faked? when i using 3rd benchmark tools to run some tests based on the CPU/RAM/GPU etc.. from the application itself, unless the application is picking up that is note 3 and then faking the result?
It does feel more responsive and faster than my note 2, I want to root it with custom rom and take out this samsung bloatware etc.
PS: I have just tested MX Player with DTS codec pack - I can playback full bluray with DTS-HD MA audio sample file m2ts and also 10bit MKV files.
Thanks
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When people say "faked" what they really mean is that the CPU and GPU are set to a speed which is not otherwise available for general use. So (making up numbers) in normal use the GPU can only go 450mhz, if it detects that a benchmark app is running, it'll ramp it immediately up to 475mhz and keep it there so there's no ramping up and down and the speed is higher.
So it's a bit dirty, but it's not like they're dropping frames and getting a "higher FPS" or something.
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When people say "faked" what they really mean is that the CPU and GPU are set to a speed which is not otherwise available for general use. So (making up numbers) in normal use the GPU can only go 450mhz, if it detects that a benchmark app is running, it'll ramp it immediately up to 475mhz and keep it there so there's no ramping up and down and the speed is higher.
So it's a bit dirty, but it's not like they're dropping frames and getting a "higher FPS" or something.
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Actually that's not what's happening here (though it was with the S4). Samsung is apparently setting everything to run at 100% during popular benchmark programs.
1. The benchmark programs really should be doing this anyway which concerns me
2. Even without this preset, the N3 still won pretty much all benchmark tests. So not a big deal in the end, making this unnecessary from Samsung.
BMW does any naked phone screen survive a direct drop on its face onto concrete? Don't think I've ever seen that.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
Samsung did the same thing with the GS4, it's not just benchmark software it's any app that is native fullscreen that gets a CPU boost for max performance. Call that cheating if you want, the phone still created the results.
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
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This is not cheating, the processor is not running outside of its designed limits. All it did was make sure it was running a full power for the whole test... The clock speeds were still 2.3 ghz,
as for the speaker, that's subjective and the glass is gorilla glass 3, it's the strongest on the market... But if you think it won't break if you smash your phone on concrete, you're kidding yourself
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
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Most people don’t care about benchmarks, and I’m still going to buy the phone and not lose any sleep over this.
Are they going to get fined/punished /banned by the benchmark committee?
xHausx said:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
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ArsTechnica also failed to "discover" that the very LG G2 that they compare in the very same article has the same CPU optimizations, only that they by luck it didn't apply to GeekBench 3.
Samsung does it, HTC does it, LG does it.
To the op about the drop test. I don't care what phone you have it will always break out shatter if you drop it on its face. There is a thing called a case. If you don't use it you deserve to have your screen smashed.
Don't get it. Stay with your note 1 and no complaining. Enough said.
I want a fancy new ferrari but the cost of maintenance is a lot more than my current car.... That's how you sound.
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unfortunately for me a few days ago my note 2 fell face first on concrete and naturally it cracked.
all smartphones will get this terrible fate if dropped face first on solid concrete unless the flexible screens with what ever will cover it finds a solution to that problem.
samsung should invest in wearable technology that senses and "magnetizes back" whenever your phone is about to get dropped or snatched (i know far out but one can dream lol)
As i'm sure most are aware, note3 and others locks the system on a high performance mode when it runs predefined benchmark apps like http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/ explains in good detail.
So ofc this makes the note3 seem a bit more powerful than is actual real usage conditions, and, since benchmarks will be the deciding factor for many ppl (and there's loads of benchmarks results and pics all over the place), that's a lot like cheating the consumer for profit...
So in my view, all the benchmarks that use standard benchmark apps are invalid and shouldn't really be taken in consideration for when a person is deciding to buy a phone.
The good thing is, like ars shows, this high performance mode for bench apps can be circumvented by changing it's name.
I didn't really search much around, but i was wondering if there's any place with a collection of benchmark apps with the name changed so that they're not affected by the cheat, and maybe the app's creators should take that into consideration and do some fix/workaround to prevent the cheating...
I don't get why people call it cheating. I feel that benchmarking apps are supposed to ramp up all cores to 100% and then only start the test. Only this will truly show the full potential of the device.
Samsung is only increasing the cpu clock to its max while running benchmark apps and there is no overclocking involved. This does not mean they are cheating.
system.img said:
I don't get why people call it cheating. I feel that benchmarking apps are supposed to ramp up all cores to 100% and then only start the test. Only this will truly show the full potential of the device.
Samsung is only increasing the cpu clock to its max while running benchmark apps and there is no overclocking involved. This does not mean they are cheating.
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did you really understand what is going on? by just changing a name they get lower score. maybe if samsung allowed us to insert app names to this list then it might be ok but this way it is just cheating because i will not see the performance that a benchmark shows me in a game.
Did you buy any phone based on the benchmark score?
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Did you buy any phone based on the benchmark score?
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it is not important if anybody looks benchmarks before buying phone. it is still cheating and we are talking about cheating.
kromosto said:
did you really understand what is going on? by just changing a name they get lower score. maybe if samsung allowed us to insert app names to this list then it might be ok but this way it is just cheating because i will not see the performance that a benchmark shows me in a game.
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The benchmark app by itself is not maxing the CPU speed before taking the benchmark, which the developer should code it to do.
Samsung is just maxing out the CPU for the highest score possible on the hardware. If the game is optimised right, it will give the actual performance the benchmarks indicate as the hardware is more than capable of handling it.
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As i'm sure most are aware, note3 and others locks the system on a high performance mode when it runs predefined benchmark apps like http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/ explains in good detail.
So ofc this makes the note3 seem a bit more powerful than is actual real usage conditions, and, since benchmarks will be the deciding factor for many ppl (and there's loads of benchmarks results and pics all over the place), that's a lot like cheating the consumer for profit...
So in my view, all the benchmarks that use standard benchmark apps are invalid and shouldn't really be taken in consideration for when a person is deciding to buy a phone.
The good thing is, like ars shows, this high performance mode for bench apps can be circumvented by changing it's name.
I didn't really search much around, but i was wondering if there's any place with a collection of benchmark apps with the name changed so that they're not affected by the cheat, and maybe the app's creators should take that into consideration and do some fix/workaround to prevent the cheating...
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How profound. Search is your friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2465518
Big freaking deal. I disable power saving on my laptop so it runs at 100% all the time. Plus, we've seen impressive results from Anomaly 2 and Epic Citadel game engine benchmarks that don't disable power saving.
Honestly, who cares. Most consumers don't look at benchmarks when buying phones. Benchmark consumers probably account for maybe 2% of sales. The majority of people who benchmark out of that 2% do so in order to test differences when removing bloat or changing roms, and not to gauge real world performance off of the shelf.
Samsung is one of many companies that do this benchmark manipulation. Since most companies do this, I see it as a non issue. It's not as if they are producing false results, they are only making there products run at there best for certain programs. How can we be surprised or be offended?
Here is an article testing all the major android phone manufacturers and all but Moto and Nexus phones manipulate benchmark results.
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Hi! I'm a bit worried about the Galaxy S6 graphics performance. I'm currently owning an iPhone 6 and I read about benchmark testings where the iPhone 6 and also the HTC One M9 got much better results for graphics intensive tasks. Maybe the S6 has just enough power for current games, but what about in a year's time? So I'm thinking about keeping my iPhone. Any thoughts?
S6 has much higher resolution screen than both of those phones. That is why it may have lower scores on the on screen bench mark portion of the tests.
Anyways benchmarks are garbage and shouldn't be cared about.
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s6-review-1227p5.php
any game runs on native 2k res will run slower than your iphone on s6. but games generally run on 1080p so you will barely see any difference cuz s6's gpu can handle 1080p easyly.
http://www.telekom-presse.at/smartp...apdragon_810_im_htc_one_m9_und_a.id.33301.htm
That's what I found. From what I understand, multicore performance is only relevant for some special apps. Regarding graphics performance the S6 seems to be crushed by the iPhone and the HTC One M9. I don't care that the Samsung has a higher resolution. All that counts is that you have good framerates in games. The QHD is overkill anyway.
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http://www.telekom-presse.at/smartp...apdragon_810_im_htc_one_m9_und_a.id.33301.htm
That's what I found. From what I understand, multicore performance is only relevant for some special apps. Regarding graphics performance the S6 seems to be crushed by the iPhone and the HTC One M9. I don't care that the Samsung has a higher resolution. All that counts is that you have good framerates in games. The QHD is overkill anyway.
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nope. like i said pretty much all games running on 1080p most. so you can just check offscreen test to check which faster. i have exynos note 4 pretty much whole games running around 60 fps.
Firstly Iphone6 is 25 % of the resolution of ss6 or even lower because it is not proper HD 720p. When you buy a suit which one is going fit better, of the shelf or custom tailored? The same is happen in IOS. The benchmarks need to be optimalised for IP even before they are accepted to the Store. The suit is custom tailored .
Secondly I am owning xperia z and most of the games works flawlessly which is 2 years old (gta and nfs which works medium setting). Furthermore most of the games will not be able to utilize full potential of the samsung S6. From the other perspective i own shield tablet which pretty much owns the benchmarks in terms of graphics performance, guess what there are games which still stutter as hell. I would prefer perform a benchmark on lollipop 5.1 because 5.0.2 is kind of s****. Look at the nexus 6 on the 5.1 is much better and faster
In regards to the HTC M9 the question is how sustainable the frame rate is going to be with the throttling , what is going to happen after 3 hours of playing games.
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http://www.telekom-presse.at/smartp...apdragon_810_im_htc_one_m9_und_a.id.33301.htm
That's what I found. From what I understand, multicore performance is only relevant for some special apps. Regarding graphics performance the S6 seems to be crushed by the iPhone and the HTC One M9. I don't care that the Samsung has a higher resolution. All that counts is that you have good framerates in games. The QHD is overkill anyway.
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Then the S6 isn't for you. Get the HTC One M9 instead.
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Then the S6 isn't for you. Get the HTC One M9 instead.
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For gaming I have my Nintendo DS, Wii and Tablet. Honestly I don't put much importance on 'weak graphics' . As long as it loads the games that's fine.
I care more about having a fast, stable and responsive phone with a great camera. Gaming is at the very bottom of my list.
.: sent from my 'Android til I die' phone or tablet
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Hi! I'm a bit worried about the Galaxy S6 graphics performance. I'm currently owning an iPhone 6 and I read about benchmark testings where the iPhone 6 and also the HTC One M9 got much better results for graphics intensive tasks. Maybe the S6 has just enough power for current games, but what about in a year's time? So I'm thinking about keeping my iPhone. Any thoughts?
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First you honestly should stop reading AppleInsider, their the epitome of fan-boyism gone wrong. If you look at those benchmarks that were posted you can clearly see that at 1080p the S6 is faster than the iPhone 6 but since the S6 uses a higher resolution it's a little slower. Now when I say a little slower, I mean insignificant and is not enough to affect your overall experience by any measure.. Software has not caught up with the hardware yet. Anything with a Qualcomm 800 or better will be able to play every game listed in the Google Play Store without a single frame drop or lag. The iPhone is a good platform for gaming and media consumption, that's about it. The fact that you can't choose your own default apps, cannot run apps in the background except for iTunes and a few GPS apps, has the worst file-management I have ever seen on any mobile OS including dumb phones that uses a proprietary Java system and horrible inner-app communication I would seriously consider jumping ship. Android, though not perfect is eons better than iOS, especially now that Android 5.11 has been released. Here's the kicker, I don't even use an Android phone, I'm rocking a BlackBerry Passport but I do have a Nexus 9 for office work and an Nvidia Shield for play.
I had an iPhone 6 Plus for about a week, I honestly tried to make it work, installed iFile to hopefully make sense of the chaos from iOS saving files under the app that created them, who does that, but it didn't help much. I tried installing OneDrive and Google Drive because I could have a terebyte of data from both of them for the same price as a single terebyte from iCloud but because what I said above about the horrible inner-app communication none of the apps except those from Microsoft and Google supported saving files directly. I had to open the clients up individually and pray that I could remember which app was used to create the file that I wanted to upload so I didn't have to spend 30 minutes going through 100 apps to find out. This of course is an exaggeration but you get the point. With my Passport all I have to do is go into my Documents folder using the fantastic built in file manager and than wham, there's my files. I can also search every file from a certain date, zip them up and upload them to a cloud storage of my choosing without having to buy another app to do so, all built in. Same thing with my Android tablet's.
I know when I install any app that I will be able to access said app through the Share function of other apps, unlike iOS's apps which uses a pre-programmed list of allowed apps to share with on a per app basis. So I never know which app can share with what, it's a crap shoot and extremely inconsistent. Does it sound like I really dislike iOS, can you blame me. I use a terminal app to keep ties on the applications I write for my clients, at any given time I could be logged in up to 8 different servers performing updates, which means compiling. With both my Passport and Nexus 9 all I have to do is start the compile job and than minimize the terminal app and continue working on other things until completion. With iOS this isn't possible, well it is but I have to keep the terminal app in the foreground because if I minimize it all of processes will be terminated iOS doesn't support full multitasking, what is this, the 90's. To add even more frustration if I have more than 3 connections going at once, even though the terminal app is in the foreground, iOS will start terminating connections. Why, 1GB of memory, yep, in 2015, simply ridiculous on the highest order. iOS's supposedly wonderful memory manegment just goes out the window when faced with such tasks. Here's a simple test you can do now on your phone, start typing up your response to me, do about a paragraph and than switch over to another app for about 5 minutes, just watch a YouTube video to pass the time, when you come back to Safari your work would have been lost, Safari has refreshed the page, why, lack of memory.
Doesn't it piss you off that you can't choose your own default apps, if it doesn't it should. Sure I can install another email client, no problem but what is the point when it isn't listed in any of the apps that I have installed, so something as simple as say, attaching a file while in another program isn't possible because only Apple's email client is ever listed. With my Passport regardless of the app I'm using I can attach a file to any app that is installed and supports the app that I'm sharing from, same thing with Android, any. Do you like Evernote, it's great because you can send files to it from almost every app in iOS, mark my words though, the second Apple releases a cloud note taking app of their own, you will no longer see Evernote listed as possibility to share to.
I can go on and on about the disdain I have for iOS but I think you get the picture. Even if the S6 turns out not to be for you I would still recommend ditching the iPhone. Apple isn't a good company anymore and is hell bent on controlling you, please get out from under their thumb. Even if you don't use the features I described above, I mean just think about what their doing, is it right, don't you think they should allow their users to decide which apps they want to use as defaults, that's just evil man.
Hello fellow Pixel users,
In my country Google is not selling their phones officially, so from my perspective it's a tough decision to make. I will be buying it from Germany within my business travel. I am currently using OnePlus 8 Pro and before that I had a Samsung S10+ (Exynos variant). So I am familiar with having a processor that is way better than Exynos is quite the difference.
1- So my first question is how good is the Tensor chip inside Google's phone. I am aware of the better usage as we can see with Apple maintaining the iphone's own silicone. They are trying the best power output of the smartphone within it's hardware capabilities. I am no gamer with the phone so all I expect is watch some videos, use basic social media and open many chrome tabs and sometimes take pictures from my travel.
2-My second question is the material used in the phone. As I said before I never seen or used a pixel phone. I expect it to be maintain basics or better than overall quality but from the social media I am hearing that camera frame has getting damage, power button is falling inside the phone. A fellow youtuber JerryRigsEverything said about bending issue in his teardown video too. Is anyone here experienced issues like this? Or is it a %1 manufacturing mistake that can happen to anyone.
3-My third question is the battery life and camera performance from your experience. I have watched some youtube videos from MKBHD, which is just praising the Pixel 7 Pro and I am trusting his channel. Meanwhile I have watched some unbiased compare videos with the S23 Ultra and iphone 14 Pro Max and usually photos and videos from Pixel phone looks much worse than how it's announced. Maybe they are not editing their photos, just comparing them with the way it is looking straight from the camera. But since nobody here is doing a sponsorship with pixel I trust your words over them.
Thank you for your response
Clearly these are only my own opinions.
1. Tensor 2 is great, it might not look good on paper thanks to all the benchmarking people do but in the real world it is more than enough.
2. You are never going to bend the phone like Zack does on JRE and lets be fair here, the P7P didn't snap or remain bent in his test. My P7P is now 5 months old and remains scratch free with all its buttons in place.
3. Battery life in my experience is good, i don't recall having to charge in the day even when going mental with the camera on a day out or on Holiday. Photos are good but they do have that pixel look about them and despite Googles "real tone" claims it sometimes makes a right pigs ear of skin tones regardless of colour. Mainly though you will end up with a good photo just about every time, whether it is framed right is down to you. As for video, well it is a Pixel, its never been any Pixels strongest attribute but i find videos from it perfectly acceptable.