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Found this on the mighty internet
http://www.phonehouse.nl/verwachte-telefoons/
Htc Prime & Htc Ignite are listed there and i googled them and it seems they are only wp7 phones..
Just wanted to share the news
Eh, this is old news. Htcs phones are always a big disappointment to me though, the battery life lasts all of 15 minutes and they pretty much just release the same phone over and over. Even with an OS that doesn't have terrible power management the batteries leave A LOT to be desired.
z33dev33l said:
Eh, this is old news. Htcs phones are always a big disappointment to me though, the battery life lasts all of 15 minutes and they pretty much just release the same phone over and over. Even with an OS that doesn't have terrible power management the batteries leave A LOT to be desired.
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Why do I sense that I don't like you sir
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z33dev33l said:
Eh, this is old news. Htcs phones are always a big disappointment to me though, the battery life lasts all of 15 minutes and they pretty much just release the same phone over and over. Even with an OS that doesn't have terrible power management the batteries leave A LOT to be desired.
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I am sure they are just refashioned phones that have already been released outside the USA.
Refashioned with a better OS is about as far as the refashioning goes on there.
z33dev33l said:
Eh, this is old news. Htcs phones are always a big disappointment to me though, the battery life lasts all of 15 minutes and they pretty much just release the same phone over and over. Even with an OS that doesn't have terrible power management the batteries leave A LOT to be desired.
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I've had the inverse results, to me HTC has much better battery life than Samsung does for example. Even watching my 3D movies on my Evo 3D, I get pretty good battery life. However, because these are open source operating systems, and not designed for the phones that they're being used on, all Android phones with the exception of the Nexus Series will have dumpy battery life. iPhones, Nexus, Blackberries, Nokia Symbians, all have great battery life cause they're running what they're designed to run. Hardware/software sympatico.
z33dev33l said:
Eh, this is old news. Htcs phones are always a big disappointment to me though, the battery life lasts all of 15 minutes and they pretty much just release the same phone over and over. Even with an OS that doesn't have terrible power management the batteries leave A LOT to be desired.
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What phones do you like best?
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What phones do you like best?
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See the hardware acceleration thread. WP7
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HTC
I don't have HTC!
Seems every top end smartphone sucks power. That should be the priority development issue.
htc have an ugly habit to realease same design phone over and over again.. **** .. evo..evo 3d.. desirehd..desire... sensation .. just every few slight changes.. where is the quitely brilliant in this?
and sense ..omg.. is pretty damn ugly..
but still i have a desire hd myself
but i love the xda support for these phones though
Personally I'm grateful that they keep to the winning formula started with the HD2.
I'd probably be lumbered with a SGS2 if it weren't for the DHD or Sensation.
As for sense, it's the only reason I get on with android, the default gui sucks, sense makes it user friendly for me.
I've just installed a Sense3 ROM on my HD2 and I'm really loving it so can't wait to upgrade to the Sensation.
That's one of the good things about android, customers have options.
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htc have an ugly habit to realease same design phone over and over again.. **** .. evo..evo 3d.. desirehd..desire... sensation .. just every few slight changes.. where is the quitely brilliant in this?
and sense ..omg.. is pretty damn ugly..
but still i have a desire hd myself
but i love the xda support for these phones though
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What company does not do what you stated? Apple does it, Motorola for sure, Samsung..yep.., Nokia..doing it for years..what you label a brand specific should be stated industry wide. Oh yea..blackberry..they also are quilty.
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Eh, this is old news. Htcs phones are always a big disappointment to me though, the battery life lasts all of 15 minutes and they pretty much just release the same phone over and over. Even with an OS that doesn't have terrible power management the batteries leave A LOT to be desired.
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Yea, listen to this guy. He knows his ****...
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Yea, listen to this guy. He knows his ****...
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miss your blackjack 2 battery life? I know I do, I used to emulate final fantasy for 2 days without a charge. Then I switched to the HTC dash thanks to a change in carrier... Well... I could play for 4-5 hours brand new I guess...
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miss your blackjack 2 battery life? I know I do, I used to emulate final fantasy for 2 days without a charge. Then I switched to the HTC dash thanks to a change in carrier... Well... I could play for 4-5 hours brand new I guess...
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It all makes sense though. Bigger and better screens. Updates and new OS's to hog up more battery. I just find it annoying how they haven't made leaps and bounds in battery development like they have in other areas. Dual core processors in phones? 4G LTE? Well thats all fantastic, but how about making the batteries better so devices like the HTC Thunderbolt can last more than half a day on the 4G LTE network it was so heavily advertised with. It makes me wonder if they've hit a barrier in battery development. I have a cousin that is a software/hardware engineer and told me all about the issues they are facing with putting more life into smaller batteries.
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It all makes sense though. Bigger and better screens. Updates and new OS's to hog up more battery. I just find it annoying how they haven't made leaps and bounds in battery development like they have in other areas. Dual core processors in phones? 4G LTE? Well thats all fantastic, but how about making the batteries better so devices like the HTC Thunderbolt can last more than half a day on the 4G LTE network it was so heavily advertised with. It makes me wonder if they've hit a barrier in battery development. I have a cousin that is a software/hardware engineer and told me all about the issues they are facing with putting more life into smaller batteries.
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that's why I'm looking forward to that new screen they're working on that also acts as a solar panel to charge your battery during daytime usage.
I'm happy because of its operation system but i love to buy a WP7 device with 4 inch LCD and good LCD quality.
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that's why I'm looking forward to that new screen they're working on that also acts as a solar panel to charge your battery during daytime usage.
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I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. Sounds cool, but I don't think that many of us use our phones outside. Also, I think that most of us would have the phone inside of our pockets when outside so the screen wouldn't even have direct contact to the rays.
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I've had the inverse results, to me HTC has much better battery life than Samsung does for example. Even watching my 3D movies on my Evo 3D, I get pretty good battery life. However, because these are open source operating systems, and not designed for the phones that they're being used on, all Android phones with the exception of the Nexus Series will have dumpy battery life. iPhones, Nexus, Blackberries, Nokia Symbians, all have great battery life cause they're running what they're designed to run. Hardware/software sympatico.
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Nope I am not aggree with you in term of battery life.i have now galaxy s and I had seen full 720p movie named Megamind with50% brighness and only with 30% remaining battery.and with my surprise I watched full movie with 5% battery left.when I had my desire hd it just shuts off even I had 50% from the begining.so my conclusion is htc had good battery life but not as samsung.shocking but it's true:-(
My contract is coming up for renewal in late February and I'm thinking of replacing my phone with a new Android device. I realize this might be the wrong forum section to post in, but who better to ask than my fellow Shield lovers.
I had a Galaxy Note (original) and a Galaxy S2 prior, and they weren't bad. For the time Touchwiz, and a poor email client really put me off of Android as a phone primarily for me is a communication device, but I still like to have fun with it.
I ended up going back to Blackberry and have been rocking a Z10 for a long time. But won an iphone 5s through work and have been using that for about the past year. I bought a Z30 recently as it was being sold at a stupidly low price new in box from factory and I am sick and tired of the small screens and piss poor battery life of the iphone.
I also have a first gen Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet, and I've been complaining about it for the past 6-10 months because of it's size and weight and now that apps are being optimized for newer OS versions it's getting really slow. So my wife bought me a Shield for Christmas and I absoltuley love it!
I love how the UI is on this tablet and now know what all the fuss is about for Andorid. Touchwiz ruins the experience in my opinion. So I'm thinking for my new phone I'm going to get a Lollipop device for sure...the question is which one?
I don't want a Nexus as I don't like the idea of non-expandable memory and my 64gb card in my Sheild is getting pretty full, no way I could survive with a device that isn't at least 64gb (my iphone is 64gb and is usually between 50-60gb loaded up with music and media.)
So which device has a UI that is as close to the Shield as possible with expandable memory and isn't the size of a house. 5" is about my max screen size. There is no need to go larger as I already have the Sheild, and I want it to be pocketable. I got rid of my Note because I just kept leaving it on my desk. I would also love to get a 16-20 hour day with heavy use. FWIW my iphone 5s is completley dead by the time 2:00pm rolls around when it comes off the charger at 5:30am. I'm usually not near a charger again until 6:30-7:00pm on average. It's going to be a lot to ask but a 5:30am to 10:00pm battery life would be fantastic...
If you want a stock OS look and MicroSD, get the HTC M8 Google Play Edition. Stock Android, front speakers, and MicroSD support just like the ST.
Not going to be a popular opinion around here but the iPhone 6 gets much much better battery life than the older ones, if you are already invested into iTunes that may be a valid option for you. For me I have the 6 plus and it is cool because I get awesome battery life and then I get completely different games then the ones that are available on my shield tab so I have pretty much the best of both worlds.
Also my reason for going to the iPhone is because I have ATT and needed a carrier subsidized phone, tried the Nexus 6 it is utter crap build quality and the Note 4 is not even rootable, there is not much else that is really modern on ATT.
As far as gaming ready devices, all Qualcomm Snapdragon devices fall into a mediocre range. None of them are really "smooth" at gaming and all of them work hard to provide perpetual fluidity. Bad video drivers and non-existent high clock efficiency mean those devices scale vey poorly, and gaming takes a monstrous drain on the battery for even simple 2D games. If you are looking for a device which can handle gaming in a manner similar to the shield (and aren't too concerned with what you might lose) then tegra phones and iPhones are your best option objectively. It's impossible to recommend a Qualcomm device as better for gaming. If you are just looking for a simple phone with light gaming, then something like the upcoming HTC M9 or a likewise lollipop based device would be fine. But if gaming is your concern (which you don't seem to mention) then my above statements hold very true.
All "stock" suggestions should definitely fly with "but shall include excessive Google bloatware that wouldn't be accepted from Samsung or any other OEM." That much said, crap like Drive Earth Docs Sheets Slides Newsstand Books Music Movies Plus Fit Now Wallet Keyboard Chrome and the ever constant location stalker CAN be disabled quite easily.
Preliminary reports say the S5 is shaping up to perform amazingly on Lollipop. A simple comparison of this tablet and the Nexus 7 and the iPad-Mini-esque Nexus 9, has shown me that it's all about the implementation of lollipop, not comparing who has the biggest version number, that is essential in determining which device is best.
Google Play Edition phones like HTC One M8 or Galaxy S4.
The Moto G and X phones also offer nearly stock OS.
Gaming is not a concern for me with a phone, thats what the Tablet is for. a Pretty stock non-bloated with manufacture crud OS is whats most important I think. Touchwiz was just annoying when I was test driving a Note 3 and on my S2 when I had it. Just didn't enjoy it. I also don't like how big the S5 and such has gotten.
I'll take a closer look at the Google Play edition phones. I wanted to get something direct from carrier to get the subsidy and save some cash... I'm on Rogers in Canada... No Moto X is avaialble, and it doesn't appear to have a micro SD. However the Sony Z3 seems to have a pretty stock version of Android... what are peoples opinions on that device?
Well I wouldn't say it's stock by any means. It's actually fairly heavy on skinning, but it does look nice. Updates will be very slow for Sony phones. But the battery life is fantastic, and the overall hardware is nice. Sony phones can be problematic, but since it's a carrier device you can always yell at Rogers.
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Well I wouldn't say it's stock by any means. It's actually fairly heavy on skinning, but it does look nice. Updates will be very slow for Sony phones. But the battery life is fantastic, and the overall hardware is nice. Sony phones can be problematic, but since it's a carrier device you can always yell at Rogers.
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Yea, I'm reading more on the Z3 forums and seeing stuff I'm not overly happy with.
One thing that is ever important to me is the speed and quality of the camera, something I'm addicted to on my iphone. I'm a part-time professional photographer along with my day job. So I got a camera for manual control and taking beautiful shot. I love my iphone for the quick burst that I can do within a couple of seconds on the fly (and thats about it that I've found as a pro over Android). I don't know if there is an Android phone out there that can compete, which is very unfortunate. When I was test driving the Note 3, one of the few major reasons I returned it was due to the crappy camera speed/AF. (The others were size and touchwiz)
Moto X, Moto G, Nexus 5, Nexus 6 or the Google Play Edition phones from the play store. Thats about it. I guess the OnePlus One fits the bill also.
I can't recommend the Moto X enough. Mine is absolutely amazing and I've owned QUITE a few different phones over the past few years including Samsung, HTC, Sony, Nexus, ZTE. The Motorola lineup of the past year or so has been nothing short of phenomenal.
I disagree on the basis that the battery life is pretty bad. Like iPhone levels of battery life frankly. I'm surprised people just glaze over that. 2300mah battery with lollipop+amoled is battery hell.
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I disagree on the basis that the battery life is pretty bad. Like iPhone levels of battery life frankly. I'm surprised people just glaze over that. 2300mah battery with lollipop+amoled is battery hell.
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Do you own one? Because I do. And I routinely hit 18-19 hours with 2.5-3 hours of screen time. Everyone I see complaining about battery life doesn't own one, and are just parroting FUD.
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I disagree on the basis that the battery life is pretty bad. Like iPhone levels of battery life frankly. I'm surprised people just glaze over that. 2300mah battery with lollipop+amoled is battery hell.
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Do you own one? Because I do. And I routinely hit 18-19 hours with 2.5-3 hours of screen time. Everyone I see complaining about battery life doesn't own one, and are just parroting FUD.
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I'd also have to agree. I was hesitant about the phone when it was first announced because of the battery and held off buying one until the Cyber Monday coupon deal. Since then, I've added a wireless charging module (thread in the accessories sub-forum for the phone) and I couldn't be happier. Not saying you need a wireless mod, I just missed that from the Nexus 5. But even so, the battery has been above and beyond what I expected, the phone's performance is top notch, Active Display or whatever its called has no second best and Motorola's adherence to near stock Android is the cherry on top.
Like icase said, unless you have one and have something to back up your comment, you're just blowing FUD. My go to devices today are my 2014 Moto X and my Nvidia Shield Tablet.
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My contract is coming up for renewal in late February and I'm thinking of replacing my phone with a new Android device. I realize this might be the wrong forum section to post in, but who better to ask than my fellow Shield lovers.
I had a Galaxy Note (original) and a Galaxy S2 prior, and they weren't bad. For the time Touchwiz, and a poor email client really put me off of Android as a phone primarily for me is a communication device, but I still like to have fun with it.
I ended up going back to Blackberry and have been rocking a Z10 for a long time. But won an iphone 5s through work and have been using that for about the past year. I bought a Z30 recently as it was being sold at a stupidly low price new in box from factory and I am sick and tired of the small screens and piss poor battery life of the iphone.
I also have a first gen Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet, and I've been complaining about it for the past 6-10 months because of it's size and weight and now that apps are being optimized for newer OS versions it's getting really slow. So my wife bought me a Shield for Christmas and I absoltuley love it!
I love how the UI is on this tablet and now know what all the fuss is about for Andorid. Touchwiz ruins the experience in my opinion. So I'm thinking for my new phone I'm going to get a Lollipop device for sure...the question is which one?
I don't want a Nexus as I don't like the idea of non-expandable memory and my 64gb card in my Sheild is getting pretty full, no way I could survive with a device that isn't at least 64gb (my iphone is 64gb and is usually between 50-60gb loaded up with music and media.)
So which device has a UI that is as close to the Shield as possible with expandable memory and isn't the size of a house. 5" is about my max screen size. There is no need to go larger as I already have the Sheild, and I want it to be pocketable. I got rid of my Note because I just kept leaving it on my desk. I would also love to get a 16-20 hour day with heavy use. FWIW my iphone 5s is completley dead by the time 2:00pm rolls around when it comes off the charger at 5:30am. I'm usually not near a charger again until 6:30-7:00pm on average. It's going to be a lot to ask but a 5:30am to 10:00pm battery life would be fantastic...
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Hi, just my two cents, IMHO the Nvidia Shield is a great tablet but to play PC games you have to stream to Nvidia, so if I want to recommend to you a similar device, the closest phone you can get is the Sony Experia Z3, Android 5 Lollipop, battery levels are very good, beautiful design and you can connect it to a playstation and play the games wireless on your phone with the PS controller. You even get the sound from your controller by connecting the headphones to it.
I have a couple of ideas.
If you can wait, the HTC Hima promises to be a beast. A Snapdragon 810 with a 1080p screen means that it will probably crush every other phone in terms of performace, thanks to every other phone jumping on the pointless 4K train. Look it up. It looks pretty nice. *drool*
If you need something now, then....I know you want a smaller phone, but....I can't recommend the Oneplus One enough.
-It is actually thinner than and not as wide as the Note, dispite its slightly larger screen.
-Even though it has no expandable storage, 64 gigs of internal storage has actually proven more useful to me. I never have to worry about limited storage for application data.
-The battery life on this thing is nuts. I'm a heavy user and I only need to charge it every other day.
-1080p screen. This is a plus because it it uses less resources than a 4k display. And honestly, most, if not all people, cannot tell the difference.
-Snapdragon 801 with 3 gigs of RAM. This thing flies, and multitasks like a champ. I remember a time not too long ago when more than 2gb RAM was considered excessive for most DESKTOP computers. I think its more than the specs that make this thing fly, though. Something in the hardware implementation must be special, because people have been reporting some pretty unbelievable benchmarks. Oh, and Sonic Adventure 2 runs smoothly in Reicast.
-The XDA scene is HUGE for this device. Its the most popular device on the forums. There are, like, 73 billion ROMs for it and maybe 2.5 billion kernels. I've never owned such a popular device. This is my favorite feature.
Its also the one of the only devices I have right now that isn't defective in some way. I tend to have horrible luck when purchasing electronics.
I hope I've helped you reach some sort of conclusion. Good luck. :good:
thanks guys,
I went into my Rogers store and manhandled what they had on display as well as a few open box units. I also took at look at Telus, but they can't meet me on my plan so no point in switching over. But the Moto X seemed like the best device.
I found the Z3 to be the best value for me right now. As I originally mentioned I'm not looking at the phone for gaming, but to be a workhorse and get me through a very heavy use work day. Not having Touch-Wiz was a huge plus for me, and I really enjoyed some of the things they changed in the skin. The camera performed a lot better than the other phones I tried in store. the HTC M8 was a very close contender, but the camera just sucks so horribly it got kicked out of the running faster than I could blink. I honestly think that Nokia/Windows Phone has the best camera interface after playing around with phones the past week, but the Z3 does a pretty good job.
For me it was the battery power, the UI, and the pretty impressive spec sheet that (hopefuly) will not force me to upgrade in the next 18 months that caused me to go with the Z3 overall. Rogers has a pretty limited offering right now which is annoying. I almost went with the Samsung S5, but remembered how much Touch-Wiz pozioned me the first time.
If they had a Nexus 5 32gb in stock I would have probably gone with that instead...and dealt with the size limitiation...but none left for corporate customers.
So my Black Z3 is in the mail and I'm really looking forward to it. Especially since my time frame for getting a new device really escallated with an unexpected smashy smashy of my iphone (dropped it and ran it over with a stroller by complete accident. One of the only times it wasn't cased!) now I need a case for my Z3
Hello,nowadays I am planning to buy new phone,and Nexus 5 is in my options.According to you is it worth to buy it now ?.Nexus 5 is nearly 2 years old,and I am planning to use my new phone at least 3-4 years.Performance and battery are priority.
Well worth buying - even today it has great spec for very affordable price. Fantastic screen, great battery and most importantly - pure Android 5.1 which comes with huge community.
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Well worth buying - even today it has great spec for very affordable price. Fantastic screen, great battery and most importantly - pure Android 5.1 which comes with huge community.
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Totally agree with this. I was thinking about swapping mine but in terms of spec and upgrades there is nothing else - well the Nexus 6 but that is just way too big.
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Well worth buying - even today it has great spec for very affordable price. Fantastic screen, great battery and most importantly - pure Android 5.1 which comes with huge community.
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The only thing that everybody complain about Nexus 5 is battery,and you said that great battery.How can you get great battery performance ?
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The only thing that everybody complain about Nexus 5 is battery,and you said that great battery.How can you get great battery performance ?
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Show me those everybody ?! Because I have removed over 200mg of unwanted apps/gapps, I`m on 5.1
just get it! N5 is a great phone. :good:
The battery is Underpowered, other than that, a good device. Just don't pay full retail, I would pay full retail in Nov '13 but not in April' 15
I've got one and I'm looking for another as a spare, as others say it's a great phone. Mine outscored the S5 on antutu) The only phone I'd change it for is the rumoured Nexus 5B.
The battery is not grt which is why I replaced it. They all loose about 20%a year. As someone else said get rid of unless apps and it is OK. I'm on # lite rom# which comes with about 4apps)
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The only thing that everybody complain about Nexus 5 is battery,and you said that great battery.How can you get great battery performance ?
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Try some LSD and there will be no battery issues! And the Nexus5 will blow your mind!
Yeah the battery is bad compared to the flagships (and even some similarly priced phones lol) but a solid device that definitely offers bang for the buck performance.
Out of the box, its a fantastic phone but let down by the battery. If you are comfortable with rooting and replacing kernels etc, this can be addressed.
On the other hand, look at the LG G2. The battery if fantastic without any modding and most of the bloat, even a noob like me can disable. Speed wise, I'd say its 20% slower than the Nexus 5.
If just comes down to how dirty you want your hands to get.
To give you a comparison, I've had both running the same apps and this is what I got battery wise for my typical usage, (my signal is also very poor.)
- Nexus 5, Standby time=40h, Screen on time=2:30h
- LG G2, Standby time=80h, Screen on time=2:30h
Just remember that everyones usage and signal strengths are very different.
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Out of the box, its a fantastic phone but let down by the battery. If you are comfortable with rooting and replacing kernels etc, this can be addressed.
On the other hand, look at the LG G2. The battery if fantastic without any modding and most of the bloat, even a noob like me can disable. Speed wise, I'd say its 20% slower than the Nexus 5.
If just comes down to how dirty you want your hands to get.
To give you a comparison, I've had both running the same apps and this is what I got battery wise for my typical usage, (my signal is also very poor.)
- Nexus 5, Standby time=40h, Screen on time=2:30h
- LG G2, Standby time=80h, Screen on time=2:30h
Just remember that everyones usage and signal strengths are very different.
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G2 has the same SoT as n5, rma it wth...
Great performance but poor battery not future proof if you want to use it for 3-4 years
desire 820 is a good option
I think 2300 mah is sufficient under normal circumstances.Galaxy Alpha has 1800 mah but I didnt hear any problem about battery or s6 has 2550 mah which is nearly as same as N5.Then, why N5 battery is insufficient compared to other phones also using stock android ?
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I think 2300 mah is sufficient under normal circumstances.Galaxy Alpha has 1800 mah but I didnt hear any problem about battery or s6 has 2550 mah which is nearly as same as N5.Then, why N5 battery is insufficient compared to other phones also using stock android ?
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Are they calibrated the same? Same chipsets and screen resolutions etc?
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Yes, the G2 has the same SOT as the N5 in my experiment. However, the standby time was DOUBLE.
In my days of the N5, I couldnt trust it to wake me up in the morning if the battery was below 30% at bed time, (as sometimes my signal is really bad in my flat.) On the G2 however, it can be as low as 15% and has yet to let me down. :angel:
If I had to pick between the G2 and N5 to last me the next 2 years, it would be a tough decision but I'd go with the G2. I dont think either of these phones would be good for 4 years though. :crying:
Nexus 5 is a great purchase. The only thing it seems to not be future proof against are high intensity games and higher resolution streaming options that may come our way. As a daily phone, I can't imagine needing much more power than what it's got.
In fact, I purchased a N5 back in November 2013. It started failing two months ago (this was a first-run version with the old ceramic buttons prone to breakage). I upgraded to an LG G3 - the G3 is a gorgeous phone, but I kept wanting my old Nexus 5 back. After a week I bought a new N5 on amazon and returned the G3. I have no regrets.
If anything can be a perfect phone for power users, this is it.
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Yes leaves the G3 standing
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Sent from my Nexus 5
Yes leaves the G3 standing
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Yes, that is very accurate...
Buy it: great specs at low price
I am planning on get the 64GB model with stock black cover (will put case on it so do not care about customizing). The main concern is the battery life, in spite of the overall great features and price.
1. Fixed 3000mah battery powering a 5.7" 1440p LCD
2. Motorola touting the Moto X has the fastest charging in the world, but no mention of battery life (seems like crutch talk for weak battery life)
3. In spite of a fixed battery design and only 3000mah, the device is .14" thicker than the Note 5 that also has a 3000mah battery. This would suggest the LCD panel is not very efficient in design.
If the device actually releases in some markets on September 3rd, we should see a Display Mate review around then. It will be interesting to see how the display performs and the power it uses.
Added: I have been searching to see if there is some newer LCD tech with better power efficiency, but not found none so far. Motorola might have gone a stock LCD route to get the price point.
Motorola say that the Moto X Play has upto 48hr battery and the Style has upto 30hr.
Sounds good enought to me BUT obvs we wont know for sure until its released and out in public as the Manufactures numbers are always optimised and not real usage stats.
Yeah, I saw that and really is for phone and average text use only. That was another thing that concerned me. The display screen time is my concern and where I am afraid the display might be a much higher battery drainer than the Note 4, yet alone the more efficient Note 5 display.
My guesstimate is at least two hours less screen on time than the Note 4 (almost 3 less than Note 5), which would be a no buy for me with a fixed battery device. Even LG is bailing from LCD and investing heavily now into OLED going forward. Catch is for Moto is they have no in-house display tech like LG and Samsung.
Yeah as someone said on here Motorola are at the mercy of screen manufacturers ... i.e they got older AMOLED tech from Samsung for the last Moto X not suprising as Samsung obvs want to standout with their phones.
Curious who make the Motos screens this year.
I get your concerns but in all honesty the SOT doesnt bother me anymore mainly because of the turbo charging capabilities. I know if I need extra juice I can get it VERY quickly.
I'm used to my S3 so anything is an upgrade tbh but obvs people with newer phones (like youself I assume you have the Note 4) already have fast charging capabilities, for me its ganna be a nice new experience (I hope haha).
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I wouldn't be too worried since people were able to get 4-5 hrs SOT out of the lousy 2300 mAh in the X 2014; I'm also a bit concerned about the power consumption of that (useless) 1440p, but a 700 mAh bump coupled with moto's optimisation makes me trust them, even without those "battery saving" (performance-killing) modes found in samdungs.
I really don't think Motorola would go that far and release a < 4 hours SOT phone, that would be a cannon ball to the foot!
Brazilians Moto X Play owners say It easily gets 6-7 hours SOT and that's damn good to me and makes me think that Moto get the balance right this time
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I really don't think Motorola would go that far and release a < 4 hours SOT phone, that would be a cannon ball to the foot!
Brazilians Moto X Play owners say It easily gets 6-7 hours SOT and that's damn good to me and makes me think that Moto get the balance right this time
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Bare in mind Play has a much bigger battery compared to Style.
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Even LG is bailing from LCD and investing heavily now into OLED going forward.
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Where did you read this? The LCD on the G4 looks better than OLED to me plus it is very efficient with battery life. Plus no burn in! I would much prefer LCD so I'm glad they are including it on the new Moto.
"LG Display Co., a supplier to Apple Inc., plans to invest about 10 trillion won ($8.5 billion) over the next three years to develop next-generation screens to reverse slowing growth and gain an edge over competitors.
LG Display will shift its investment focus to screens powered by tiny organic light-emitting diodes, or OLEDs, the Seoul-based company said in an e-mailed statement Monday. The world’s largest maker of liquid crystal displays is betting on growth in demand for advanced displays, including foldable screens, for wearable devices, cars and televisions. "
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...spend-8-5-billion-on-future-screen-technology
moto g is 24 hours of mixed usage according to their site. If they're saying the moto x has better battery life (30 hours of mixed usage) we might be in luck.
1. I think the device most similar to the moto x style that is currently on the market is the g4. 3000mAh, sd 808, lcd, 1440p etc and it is able to get 4-5 hrs of sot. I has a slightly smaller screen but a heavier skin so I would expect to see the style get around the same sot
2. Regarding battery life talk samsung did pretty much the same thing praising fast wireless charging and turbo charging
3. I think it is unfair to compare thickness btw the note 5 and the moto x style. the note 5 is largely flat while the moto x is curved . At its thinnest point it is 6.1mm and at its thickest it is 11.6mm. I think this was done to improve ergonomics than than an inefficient lcd panel.
I think one of reasons Motorola moved away from amoled is the amount of burn in issues they had from older samsung oled panels that they were using. I think Oled is definitely the future but if they cannot get great amoled panels then they should get great lcd panels. At least I hope that is what they did. We will see once reviews come out for it
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Bare in mind Play has a much bigger battery compared to Style.
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You're right, but the real power efficiency of a 28 nm octa seems questionable to me. I may be too optimistic, but I wouldn't say the Style is going to get much worse battery life with an 808, which is a 20 nm hexa at marginally higher clocks.
Just speculating though
(Btw: Achilles had a heel)
Geordie Affy said:
Bare in mind Play has a much bigger battery compared to Style.
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And smaller, lower res display.
Motorola is a real total miss this year. they released the larger battery in the smaller device (the play) and the smaller battery in the larger one (the style) !!. i am really worried because the droid turbo had a 3900 mah and a smaller qhd AMOLED, not lcd display and yet it didnt perform relatively on battery department considering that huge battery. i am really thinking about the G4. the only thing that's keeping me stuck with motorola is the touchless control which i am totally used to. phandroid site said that will release a moto maxx that , exactly like last year, will combine the best of the two devices (play and style) and add wireless charging and water resistance and of course locked boot loader on verizon. really hating them right now.
IF this device is releasing September 3rd, I am surprised no device leaks since the launch and no other tidbits.
Might sound stupid but what kind of leaks do you mean?
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Might sound stupid but what kind of leaks do you mean?
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Shhhhhh rushless doesnt know that there are already pics of the moto x style... Hushhhh![emoji87]
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I'm talkin' about people with the phone in the wild ya' hunks.
Not even a Yetti style fake sighting yet.
rushless said:
I'm talkin' about people with the phone in the wild ya' hunks.
Not even a Yetti """"style""" fake sighting yet.
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Pun Intended I hope??
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But of course.
2,150mAh battery.....come on....
Although you make a valid point. Have you seen the battery life of the Nexus 5x on 6.0? It has a 2700mah battery and one guy testing it said that after a full day of use he had 76% phone batty left. Now I know this isn't the same phone, but we need to hold out and see what M is going to do for battery life. Also supposedly with quick charge 3.0 the phone will by 0-90% charged in 15 minutes. I know that Android hasn't had the best track record for battery life, but maybe it will all change with M!
neo4uo said:
Although you make a valid point. Have you seen the battery life of the Nexus 5x on 6.0? It has a 2700mah battery and one guy testing it said that after a full day of use he had 76% phone batty left. Now I know this isn't the same phone, but we need to hold out and see what M is going to do for battery life. Also supposedly with quick charge 3.0 the phone will by 0-90% charged in 15 minutes. I know that Android hasn't had the best track record for battery life, but maybe it will all change with M!
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just lik it all changed in lollipop, oh and in kitkat, what about jellybean? and icecream sandwich...
Google has been shouting a LOT about batterylife for YEARS
But even they are just waiting, looking for that new innovation in batteries and/or SOCs
neo4uo said:
Although you make a valid point. Have you seen the battery life of the Nexus 5x on 6.0? It has a 2700mah battery and one guy testing it said that after a full day of use he had 76% phone batty left. Now I know this isn't the same phone, but we need to hold out and see what M is going to do for battery life. Also supposedly with quick charge 3.0 the phone will by 0-90% charged in 15 minutes. I know that Android hasn't had the best track record for battery life, but maybe it will all change with M!
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I compare from Hardware device to device, not from Android version to version. If M gives extra battery life to A9, it might give even longer batt life to some other phone.
On each new version they get something right but mess with things that were working.
If they moved the fingerprint sensor in the power button like sony did and placed boomsound speakers bam!!! I would buy the phone instantly.
Modaco Paul Obrien just tweeted "Actual numbers to follow in my review, but One A9 battery life from a 2150mAh battery is nothing short of miraculous for my usage."
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Really hope HTC gets it right...This phone could be my next.....Have to wait and see.
Actually its more like they moved back on battery size. The M8 and M9 both had fairly large batteries (between 2600-2800mAh if I'm not mistaken).
So hard to understand what they're thinking. I can't see in which direction they're going.
Hope next phone will be something serious!
HTC sometimes resemble 14 year old teenagers going from one extremum to the other. I really don't understand what they did here. They put 2150mha battery in a phone sized exactly the same as M9. My oh my. Why htc? The only reason I could think of is that they wanted to advertise quick charging and put 80% in 15mins instead of 60% because it will look better!
They finally released a decent midrange device for a decent prize but once again they f... up!
The funniest thing is that they always put so much emphasis on the camera (since htc one x) and they were always mediocre at best because the software controlling the image sensor was garbage.
I just hope some sane people will do some good with M10. I really wanna try another HTC.
It can be that the 2200 mA are enough for the stock OS without any 3th Party Apps.
For example the iPhone 6: If I have restore the device as a new one without download any Apps or connected Mail Services the device run for a week. But if I install WhatsApp, Facebook, an IMAP or Exchange Server the battery is go dead after 7 - 8h.
Not the device is the big issue here, its the software and the user. Nobody test his device with 3th Party Apps. A real field test is that what the manufacturer need.
I think the A9 has a great battery runtime - but only out of the box.
I have the Nexus 5X, uses 30% in a day. Amazing.
Pucciano said:
It can be that the 2200 mA are enough for the stock OS without any 3th Party Apps.
For example the iPhone 6: If I have restore the device as a new one without download any Apps or connected Mail Services the device run for a week. But if I install WhatsApp, Facebook, an IMAP or Exchange Server the battery is go dead after 7 - 8h.
Not the device is the big issue here, its the software and the user. Nobody test his device with 3th Party Apps. A real field test is that what the manufacturer need.
I think the A9 has a great battery runtime - but only out of the box.
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This is complete BS. You know damn well phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world. Now, their claims for a certain number of hours on a single charge, of course are when tested with stock software and nothing else. But they know damn well that in the real world, they need at least 50% more juice.
2100 mAh.... disgusting. How is any company releasing a phone without at least 2800 is beyond me. I have a Droid Turbo at 3900, and it's still as slim and sexy as any phone out there.
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This is complete BS. You know damn well phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world. Now, their claims for a certain number of hours on a single charge, of course are when tested with stock software and nothing else. But they know damn well that in the real world, they need at least 50% more juice.
2100 mAh.... disgusting. How is any company releasing a phone without at least 2800 is beyond me. I have a Droid Turbo at 3900, and it's still as slim and sexy as any phone out there.
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ive owned every iteration of every android phone out there and lag and bad battery life were present. doesn't matter how big the cpu or how large the battery was.
dbornack said:
This is complete BS. You know damn well phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world. Now, their claims for a certain number of hours on a single charge, of course are when tested with stock software and nothing else. But they know damn well that in the real world, they need at least 50% more juice.
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Hey dbornack,
this is wrong. Apple only tests with stock ROM without any Apps.
Testing conducted by Apple in August 2015 using preproduction iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus units and software, on both GSM and CDMA carrier networks. All settings were default except: Wi-Fi was associated with a network; the Wi-Fi feature Ask to Join Networks was turned off. Hey Siri was not enabled.
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You can this read here: http://www.apple.com/iphone/battery.html
If i have more threads running on a device it is normal that the battery is draining quickly then with less. You can try it by yourself: restore the device as a new one and compare it with a lot of Apps installed. You will feel the difference :good:
dbornack said:
This is complete BS. You know damn well phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world. Now, their claims for a certain number of hours on a single charge, of course are when tested with stock software and nothing else. But they know damn well that in the real world, they need at least 50% more juice.
2100 mAh.... disgusting. How is any company releasing a phone without at least 2800 is beyond me. I have a Droid Turbo at 3900, and it's still as slim and sexy as any phone out there.
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You are right that "phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world". At the same time, it is early to say anything about HTC's 2100 mAh approach. Because, show me a phone company (Android) that has the specs in the real world (not on papers) to have the best battery/performance/display. eg. -we know when HTC released HTC One X, it was blazing fast and now its not! Same with the other series/brands. Now the question is what is going wrong - The newly released IPhone 6s plus lags, with top specs Samsung Edge plus lags (Sammies might be afraid to talk on this), almost all of them, because everyone is in the spec race. At one point Apple got it right and they made the balanced processor which consumes less RAM and battery. Now we need to look for such a balanced device, which doesn't boast with SOC SD820, QHD display for which 3,000 MaH/3GB RAM is not sufficient. We need a device which has amazing screen (QHD - no need for human eyes in 5 inch screen), great design, great performance, awesome camera and good memory. I think SD617 is best at handling these tasks quietly, at least from what I am hearing from testers.
When we get the phone on our hands, we will really know the truth. If HTC made that balanced device, it's a new revolution in the android industry. It seems HTC trusts its efforts and that is the reason they are offering free return after a month use (on the phone we bought on special price of $399). And we really don't have a reason to complain at this point of time, as we have all opportunity to test it and change the mind later too.
I welcome this new revolution of HTC, hopefully the the phone turns out to be the best! and the marketing strategy to repair the damages made in the past is very good too. It needs guts to take challenge in such a competitive market, and I am really happy to see HTC doing it again.
The price point - I think it is going to be $699 off contract after the discount ends. That sounds reasonable because of its after sale service, which includes following:
1. Replacing damaged device for free
2. Free switch from one service provider to other one
3. +15 days Android update
4. Warranty even after unlocking bootloader (not sure if it is only for unlocked devices)
Please don't compare this with Oppo, huawei, Micromax and other phones.. This phone has premium hardwares inside and after sale service is awesome. I need not worry much on dropping my phone every time I hold in my hand. I have Micromax device with top specs and processor lagging every time my friend used it.
PS - I don't care on the slogan of people - HTC copied Apple. Being a customer I am not affected. After signing 10 year no sue agreement Apple stole HTC's design (immediately after signing) and today if HTC's phone looks like Apple it's not their problem. Anyway both can't sue each other and not waste millions of $. IPhone 6 design is most liked design (by maximum phone users in the world - sales history says that) and today if HTC has the same design, I have no reason to hate.
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mlodykaras said:
HTC sometimes resemble 14 year old teenagers going from one extremum to the other. I really don't understand what they did here. They put 2150mha battery in a phone sized exactly the same as M9. My oh my. Why htc? The only reason I could think of is that they wanted to advertise quick charging and put 80% in 15mins instead of 60% because it will look better!
They finally released a decent midrange device for a decent prize but once again they f... up!
The funniest thing is that they always put so much emphasis on the camera (since htc one x) and they were always mediocre at best because the software controlling the image sensor was garbage.
I just hope some sane people will do some good with M10. I really wanna try another HTC.
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My old m7 does pretty well with a 2350 mA battery, and little optimization. I'm betting it will be much better than that.
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Foukos said:
On each new version they get something right but mess with things that were working.
If they moved the fingerprint sensor in the power button like sony did and placed boomsound speakers bam!!! I would buy the phone instantly.
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I agree. I'm much more upset about the speakers than the battery. And there's a lot to like. I thought about the 5x but this could be much better. I hope I'm right.
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M8 had 2700mah ad M9 2850 or something. And they last me a good time. The N5 had 2300 and some had issues but most not.
2100 is fine with the display and cpu combo. And some reports bad life from even the 6p with 3500 and the moto style where no battery life campion with even 3500.
Cashreedhar said:
You are right that "phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world". At the same time, it is early to say anything about HTC's 2100 mAh approach. Because, show me a phone company (Android) that has the specs in the real world (not on papers) to have the best battery/performance/display. eg. -we know when HTC released HTC One X, it was blazing fast and now its not! Same with the other series/brands. Now the question is what is going wrong - The newly released IPhone 6s plus lags, with top specs Samsung Edge plus lags (Sammies might be afraid to talk on this), almost all of them, because everyone is in the spec race. At one point Apple got it right and they made the balanced processor which consumes less RAM and battery. Now we need to look for such a balanced device, which doesn't boast with SOC SD820, QHD display for which 3,000 MaH/3GB RAM is not sufficient. We need a device which has amazing screen (QHD - no need for human eyes in 5 inch screen), great design, great performance, awesome camera and good memory. I think SD617 is best at handling these tasks quietly, at least from what I am hearing from testers.
When we get the phone on our hands, we will really know the truth. If HTC made that balanced device, it's a new revolution in the android industry. It seems HTC trusts its efforts and that is the reason they are offering free return after a month use (on the phone we bought on special price of $399). And we really don't have a reason to complain at this point of time, as we have all opportunity to test it and change the mind later too.
I welcome this new revolution of HTC, hopefully the the phone turns out to be the best! and the marketing strategy to repair the damages made in the past is very good too. It needs guts to take challenge in such a competitive market, and I am really happy to see HTC doing it again.
The price point - I think it is going to be $699 off contract after the discount ends. That sounds reasonable because of its after sale service, which includes following:
1. Replacing damaged device for free
2. Free switch from one service provider to other one
3. +15 days Android update
4. Warranty even after unlocking bootloader (not sure if it is only for unlocked devices)
Please don't compare this with Oppo, huawei, Micromax and other phones.. This phone has premium hardwares inside and after sale service is awesome. I need not worry much on dropping my phone every time I hold in my hand. I have Micromax device with top specs and processor lagging every time my friend used it.
PS - I don't care on the slogan of people - HTC copied Apple. Being a customer I am not affected. After signing 10 year no sue agreement Apple stole HTC's design (immediately after signing) and today if HTC's phone looks like Apple it's not their problem. Anyway both can't sue each other and not waste millions of $. IPhone 6 design is most liked design (by maximum phone users in the world - sales history says that) and today if HTC has the same design, I have no reason to hate.
- Sent from HTC One M8 Harman kardon
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Finally someone who sums it up perfectly. I'm looking forward to buy this phone and to be honest I really don't care about the battery size. I don't think it would be worse than my nexus 5 and btw I don't understand the problems some people had with the nexus. It all depends on how you use a phone.
The only thing I don't understand is htc's price politics. Here in Germany it's gonna cost 580€, but in the US it's only at 399$ PLUS here we only get 16GB internal storage not 32 and 2GB RAM and not 3.
if iphone 6s users are fine with sub 2000mah then im sure the a9 will do fine to get through most of the day.
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gavinfabl said:
I have the Nexus 5X, uses 30% in a day. Amazing.
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you must be in the minority because most are saying the battery life is terrible.