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AD-HOC Networking On Evo?

With my 30 free days of Sprint service coming to an end soon I wanted to use my Evo on T-Mobiles network. I tested making and recieving calls and sms through SIP and Google voice on my home network and it works great, all thats left is to tether the Evo to my G1. To my surprise it does not work.
What will it take to get the Evo to recognize Ad-Hoc networks? Cyanogen's roms can do this.
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To reduce the ammount of WTF T-Mobile responses and clarify what I am trying to do. Here is a quick overview.
I got my Evo at I/O, it came with a month of Sprint service and that month is almost up. I do not want to switch to Sprint nor do I want to stop using this great device so I have found a way to use the phone without a carrier.
What needs to be done first is making and recieving calls. The Google Voice app does not currently allow calls to be placed over wifi so I need a work around for this. The work arround is to tie my Google Voice number to my Gizmo5 account which will let me access Google Voice via SIP. I then use the app SIPDroid to access my Gizmo5 account and make calls from Google Voice over Wifi. Done.
Next is SMS. Google Voice for Android allows you to make and place SMS over Wifi. Done.
Lastly is data. The Evo has wifi. Done.
With all of this I can use the phone compleatly over a WiFi network. But now I want to make the phone mobile.
I have a G1 on T-Mobile's network. It is rooted and running a custom build which allows me to do nothing but use the phone as a WiFi hotspot for a good day on the battery. The app being used to tether is WiFi Tether for Root Users.
The problem is the G1's hotspot is Ad-Hoc and currently the Evo (Stock Android in general.) can not connect to Ad-Hoc networks without modifications such as the ones done in Cyanogen Mod. If theese mods are duplicated for a rom on the Evo I will be able to use my Evo where ever I go without the need of a carrier.
Hope that cleared everything up.
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I think there are a few threads around already talking about the EVO's lack of ability to connect to ad-hoc networks. I don't know of a fix as of yet though.

wait, what? you got the Evo to work on TMO? am I reading this wrong?

tyrnight said:
wait, what? you got the Evo to work on TMO? am I reading this wrong?
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I got the evo to receive calls and sms over wifi. If I can tether it to the G1 than yes, it would be on T-Mo.

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I got the evo to receive calls and sms over wifi. If I can tether it to the G1 than yes, it would be on T-Mo.
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problem is, in this case, if your already using wifi for your connection, you cant use it for tethering.. its already in use for another purpose(wifi).
Im still astounded by the TMO effect in this thread.. since this is a CDMA phone and you would need a GSM phone to talk to TMO. So since the cell radio isn't used your gonna be out of luck unless you tether via USB or BT.

perhaps everyone is reading this wrong, ot its just me.
His evo is NOT on the TMO cellular network. Its not possible.
His calls and sms are through wifi probably google voice or a SIP provider. Through his home network, NOT TMO.
tmo uses GSM and EVO (sprint) uses CDMA.
to OP ive not tried ad-hoc with my phone so im sorry i have nothing to report to ya. GL

To reduce the ammount of WTF T-Mobile responses and clarify what I am trying to do. Here is a quick overview.
I got my Evo at I/O, it came with a month of Sprint service and that month is almost up. I do not want to switch to Sprint nor do I want to stop using this great device so I have found a way to use the phone without a carrier.
What needs to be done first is making and recieving calls. The Google Voice app does not currently allow calls to be placed over wifi so I need a work around for this. The work arround is to tie my Google Voice number to my Gizmo5 account which will let me access Google Voice via SIP. I then use the app SIPDroid to access my Gizmo5 account and make calls from Google Voice over Wifi. Done.
Next is SMS. Google Voice for Android allows you to make and place SMS over Wifi. Done.
Lastly is data. The Evo has wifi. Done.
With all of this I can use the phone compleatly over a WiFi network. But now I want to make the phone mobile.
I have a G1 on T-Mobile's network. It is rooted and running a custom build which allows me to do nothing but use the phone as a WiFi hotspot for a good day on the battery. The app being used to tether is WiFi Tether for Root Users.
The problem is the G1's hotspot is Ad-Hoc and currently the Evo (Stock Android in general.) can not connect to Ad-Hoc networks without modifications such as the ones done in Cyanogen Mod. If theese mods are duplicated for a rom on the Evo I will be able to use my Evo where ever I go without the need of a carrier.
Hope that cleared everything up.

I don't know if you have a Nexus One but I just checked and the EVO can tether to the Nexus One's FroYo hotspot feature (over 3G).

Sprint
I think the reasoning behind the ROM for the EVO not being able to do this is because Sprint plans to charge for this service down the road and so you would get an app either from them or the market but it would only allow connection if you paid for the service on your plan. Much like how carriers plan to charge to let your phone be a wifi hotspot.
I may be wrong but that makes sense to me, if they can make money off a feature, they will...

this is quite clever. i would interested in seeing how you setup gizmo5, sipdroid, google voice, etc to do all calls over WiFi. i have a gizmo5 account and google voice.
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The problem is the G1's hotspot is Ad-Hoc and currently the Evo (Stock Android in general.) can not connect to Ad-Hoc networks without modifications such as the ones done in Cyanogen Mod.
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im thinking of it going in the other direction, there is a mod for the EVO hopefully soon to be integrated to the wifi tether app which lets the EVO wifi tether work in infrastructure mode, outside of ad-hoc mode.
Could the G1 use this app or something similar to broadcast outside of ad-hoc mode on infrastructure mode? more devices would be able to use the G1 also ... just an idea.
the ability for the EVO to connect to infrastructure networks instead of just ad-hoc networks seems reasonable. perhaps somebody familar with cyanogen's work could look at porting this function over to the EVO?

Doesn't canceling your Sprint trial involve you returning the EVO? The subsidized cost you got in the phone was for signing up for service. No service means you return the phone or buy it at MSRP.
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No.
The i/o phones were given out for free. Included was a free trial of unlimited data phone and sms until a certain date. June something. Your thinking of the 30-day money back guarantee, that you get if you bought your phone from sprint. Hope that helps.

Has anyone tried Wifi Calling when not having service?

By service, I don't mean signal, I mean actual phone service.
For example, you don't pay your bill for a month and t-mo suspends your service, can you still use Wifi-Calling even though the service isn't on?
Just curious.

durps said:
By service, I don't mean signal, I mean actual phone service.
For example, you don't pay your bill for a month and t-mo suspends your service, can you still use Wifi-Calling even though the service isn't on?
Just curious.
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You can use something like grooveip. It's a voip that uses GV to connect the calls. I heard it works well, I dont use it. I use csipsimple which is more complex to set up that's why I recommended groove. I am able to make/place calls over wifi. the sim in the phone is deactivated. I actually use my g2x as my house phone. it operates purely on wifi calling. But if you're asking if you can use the built in app that you use with TMO now? No, you cant

graffixnyc said:
You can use something like grooveip. It's a voip that uses GV to connect the calls. I heard it works well, I dont use it. I use csipsimple which is more complex to set up that's why I recommended groove. I am able to make/place calls over wifi. the sim in the phone is deactivated. I actually use my g2x as my house phone. it operates purely on wifi calling. But if you're asking if you can use the built in app that you use with TMO now? No, you cant
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+1 on everything said above. WiFi calling checks your sim card to make sure you can access it since it uses your minutes.

swellthekitty said:
+1 on everything said above. WiFi calling checks your sim card to make sure you can access it since it uses your minutes.
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actually it doesnt use your minutes anymore

piimp said:
actually it doesnt use your minutes anymore
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Please don't give out any false info.. It does use your minutes unless you are on the even more plus plan, which then you already have unlimited minutes so it doesn't matter. If you are on a minute plan still it WILL indeed use your minutes.
GrooveIP is actually pretty good and does its job. Tried it out and while it did give a bit of echo for the other party and a bit of delay, it is indeed free.

piimp said:
actually it doesnt use your minutes anymore
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Really? The app lies to us when it says it uses plan mins? lol....

MarlinFF said:
Please don't give out any false info.. It does use your minutes unless you are on the even more plus plan, which then you already have unlimited minutes so it doesn't matter. If you are on a minute plan still it WILL indeed use your minutes.
GrooveIP is actually pretty good and does its job. Tried it out and while it did give a bit of echo for the other party and a bit of delay, it is indeed free.
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You should also stop giving out false info. You don't have to be on an unlimited plan, you just need the free wifi calling service added to your line by either calling to chatting with a T-Mobile rep. I have it on both my lines on my family account and it doesn't charge me for my wifi calls. It's great because we only have 750 minutes to use between us.

wpbcubsfan said:
You should also stop giving out false info. You don't have to be on an unlimited plan, you just need the free wifi calling service added to your line by either calling to chatting with a T-Mobile rep. I have it on both my lines on my family account and it doesn't charge me for my wifi calls. It's great because we only have 750 minutes to use between us.
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+1 just call TMobile and they will add it to your account. I have four lines and they all have the free wifi calling service
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I can confirm the above two posters info. I have an Even More family plan and I have free WiFi calling.

Just added the free Wi-Fi calling to my account. Never knew about this until I saw this thread, thanks!

MarlinFF said:
Please don't give out any false info.. It does use your minutes unless you are on the even more plus plan, which then you already have unlimited minutes so it doesn't matter. If you are on a minute plan still it WILL indeed use your minutes.
GrooveIP is actually pretty good and does its job. Tried it out and while it did give a bit of echo for the other party and a bit of delay, it is indeed free.
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Lol, learn ur facts before u post. U have to call tmob to get it added to ur account, (doesnt matter what ur plan is) its free. I know when u turn it on it says it uses ur plan minutes bt if u have it added it doesnt.
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wpbcubsfan said:
You should also stop giving out false info. You don't have to be on an unlimited plan, you just need the free wifi calling service added to your line by either calling to chatting with a T-Mobile rep. I have it on both my lines on my family account and it doesn't charge me for my wifi calls. It's great because we only have 750 minutes to use between us.
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that is because you are calling t-mobile to t-mobile, so it don't use any min from your 750 plan. Try to call other carriers!

piimp said:
Lol, learn ur facts before u post. U have to call tmob to get it added to ur account, (doesnt matter what ur plan is) its free. I know when u turn it on it says it uses ur plan minutes bt if u have it added it doesnt.
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It does matter what plan you have. I've called and chatted several times and they said I had to upgrade to one of the newer plans to get the feature. I'm on FamilyTime 700 with free myFaves.

[Q] T-mob Does wife data use affect plan limit?

I just got my HTC One S on T-Mob. Connected to my wifi network at home and not to T-Mob's network, does browsing add to my data use on T-Mob? Do calls get posted to my voice minutes use?

cheddar 151 said:
I just got my HTC One S on T-Mob. Connected to my wifi network at home and not to T-Mob's network, does browsing add to my data use on T-Mob? Do calls get posted to my voice minutes use?
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The data does not count towards limits. I don't use WiFi calling.
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In the U.S., anything you do through WiFi does not count towards your plan min/data.

I think you have to make sure the free wifi calling is "activated" through Tmo here in US. I think. I don't use it either.
I never could get the concept of Tmo charging anything at all for using your own network to route calls. Takes the strain off their system and they charge for it.

Sorry, the thread title is just too funny. How much "wife data" do you really need?
Wifi data (for web browsing, etc) shouldn't affect your mobile data limit. Wifi calling in theory should not affect your voice minutes, assuming your account and SIM card are set up for it. But I do know the older (2yr+) TmoUS accounts' terms were still deducting minutes even with WIFI calling - if you are not sure, you should call to check.

ickster said:
I think you have to make sure the free wifi calling is "activated" through Tmo here in US. I think. I don't use it either.
I never could get the concept of Tmo charging anything at all for using your own network to route calls. Takes the strain off their system and they charge for it.
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I agree, however it is still funneled through their servers. It might relieve the stress on their towers, but it operates nearly the same on their network (unless you use Google Voice or some other VOIP service).

Couple of questions regarding Verizon and SGIII

I just found out that my tmobile contract is over today. Therefore I'm looking to switch over to another carrier. I recently moved and the tmobile and AT&T coverage near my new home is horrible. (Besides, I'm not a big fan of AT&T)
I'm in interested in the SGIII. So started looking at either Verizon or Sprint. I like sprint, but their family plan doesn't quite fit into my cost requirements. Therefore Verizon seems to be the best bet for me in terms of monthly cost. (3 lines, unlimited talk + data).
First Question - Does Verizon still route Skype via their own voice network? I remember couple of years ago, they were blocking Skype calls via Wifi and forced the calls through their network. Not sure if they're still doing that. I travel outside of the country occasionally and would like to make Skype-Out calls via WiFi back home. Plus, I also make frequent international calls, therefore would like to use Skype-Out from home over wifi.
Second - How hard is it to side load apps without rooting on the SGIIII? Such as installing third-party apps for tethering or WiFi-sharing?
thanks

nirav82 said:
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First Question - Does Verizon still route Skype via their own voice network? I remember couple of years ago, they were blocking Skype calls via Wifi and forced the calls through their network. Not sure if they're still doing that. I travel outside of the country occasionally and would like to make Skype-Out calls via WiFi back home. Plus, I also make frequent international calls, therefore would like to use Skype-Out from home over wifi.
Second - How hard is it to side load apps without rooting on the SGIIII? Such as installing third-party apps for tethering or WiFi-sharing?
thanks
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I would like to know the answer to that first question also, I am leaving the country in 3 weeks and will only have WiFi.
As to tethering, you need to be rooted for that on the original plans, but I believe the new data plans include that as part of the plan.

jmorton10 said:
I would like to know the answer to that first question also, I am leaving the country in 3 weeks and will only have WiFi.
As to tethering, you need to be rooted for that on the original plans, but I believe the new data plans include that as part of the plan.
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You don't need to be rooted to tether. There are several programs out there. Foxfi, easy tether, and a few more I would think.
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1. Skype actually didn't come preloaded on the phone. you can check the play store and find 2 versions, 1 from verizon - which only works on the verizon network. and 1 that's actually from skype and works with either wifi or verizon's network.
And I can confirm it works great over wifi - use it almost daily.
2. You don't have to root to tether, but you need root access for some apps.. like adblockers.. etc.
Hope this helps.

[Q] Free wifi hotspot gone

Since the latest Tmobile ota update my wifi hot spot feature gives me a Tmobile message on my linked device saying i need to pay for this service. Previously, i got around this by creating a new APN of epc.tmobile.com, this no longer works. Suggestions?

secular said:
Since the latest Tmobile ota update my wifi hot spot feature gives me a Tmobile message on my linked device saying i need to pay for this service. Previously, i got around this by creating a new APN of epc.tmobile.com, this no longer works. Suggestions?
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Try open garden, the one that looks like a tree, you'll need it on both devices and it creates a mesh network, some caviets are apps tha use data wont work, so you have to do everything through your web browser. This solution also solves the screen off issue while tethering.

As of right now this has been removed or blocked in the newest update.
There is nothing yet been found to allow you to set your own APN again.
You can use wifi tethering with FoxFi as a workaround from foxfi.com/bin but for data to work over wifi tethering you will need to keep the screen on.
That is about the only workaround.

TheArtiszan said:
As of right now this has been removed or blocked in the newest update.
There is nothing yet been found to allow you to set your own APN again.
You can use wifi tethering with FoxFi as a workaround from foxfi.com/bin but for data to work over wifi tethering you will need to keep the screen on.
That is about the only workaround.
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Or use open garden and it makes a mesh network, data still flows with screen off, you'll need open garden on both devices. The only issue is apps that use data like the play store will say your not connected, but anything you want to do with the browser you can.
I know not perfect but thats the closest we have right now, besides keeping the screen on.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975894
This might be a workaround worth trying..

secular said:
Since the latest Tmobile ota update my wifi hot spot feature gives me a Tmobile message on my linked device saying i need to pay for this service. Previously, i got around this by creating a new APN of epc.tmobile.com, this no longer works. Suggestions?
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if you use google chrome or firefox look up user-agent spoofer.

diabolusmiles said:
if you use google chrome or firefox look up user-agent spoofer.
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Changing the UA(user-agent) is just one of the few obstacles to overcome. The main problem is the tmo OTA update now prevents/locks us from entering the APN needed to bypass/trick the t-mobile tethering check.

secular said:
Since the latest Tmobile ota update my wifi hot spot feature gives me a Tmobile message on my linked device saying i need to pay for this service. Previously, i got around this by creating a new APN of epc.tmobile.com, this no longer works. Suggestions?
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Geez you guys...if you want the service PAY FOR IT! Why should you get it free while others pay?

Behold_this said:
Geez you guys...if you want the service PAY FOR IT! Why should you get it free while others pay?
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We already do pay for it with our monthly contracts, we are allowed x amount of data per month, we go over it and the speed of data isn't even worth tethering. Do they give us money back on the data we don't use? No they don't, so why can't we use the data we pay for any way we want, it's not like data for a tablet costs more or anything like that, it's just greed on the providers end plain and simple.

I just ended up talking to an agent about my bill and I brought up the fact that I couldn't tether anymore, so they put that back on free of charge. I mean hell I'm already paying a decent amount monthly and I have the 5 gig package (which used to be advertised with transforming your device to a hotspot), there is no reason to ask for more other than greed?

Aydthird said:
I just ended up talking to an agent about my bill and I brought up the fact that I couldn't tether anymore, so they put that back on free of charge. I mean hell I'm already paying a decent amount monthly and I have the 5 gig package (which used to be advertised with transforming your device to a hotspot), there is no reason to ask for more other than greed?
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I also have a 5 gig plan and the hotspot is supposed to be free, but my 5 gig plan is old and the only way for me to get the hotspot is for me to give up unlimited messaging, which I then would have to pay $15 a month for, umm, yeah, they got me coming and going. BLAH

I work for tmo, and we do give it for free with the 5 & 10gb plans.
Second, I've noticed that it works with Firefox, but no other browser when tethering to a PC/Mac. I haven't edited my APN.
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I really wish it was free, especially with my unlimited 4G plan.
Haven't found anywhere in the city I don't have perfect coverage and it would be sweet to be able to use my tablet/laptop...

bruuutal said:
I really wish it was free, especially with my unlimited 4G plan.
Haven't found anywhere in the city I don't have perfect coverage and it would be sweet to be able to use my tablet/laptop...
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If you're on unlimited, it's unreasonable to ask for wifi tethering. That's like going to a "all you can eat" restaurant, and then bringing a truck to load with food.

Hunt3r.j2 said:
If you're on unlimited, it's unreasonable to ask for wifi tethering. That's like going to a "all you can eat" restaurant, and then bringing a truck to load with food.
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Lol, exactly. That's why there's home internet providers. And if you really just want to use your phone, then just get a 10gb plan that has the free hotspot. You're paying for the investment in network upgrades, your paying the engineers salary to produce a network that's very good.
And of course, the CEO's bonus checks lol
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Custom ROMs?
Do custom ROMs get rid of this pesky problem of no Wifi Hotspot?

poptartz said:
Do custom ROMs get rid of this pesky problem of no Wifi Hotspot?
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Using other roms i can tether temporarally. Well, i get a push message to stop asap or risk losing access. (Im on that unlimited plan.) so i stop. It does work though tethering to my nexus 7, im assuming because it shows it being a mobile device vs. desktop.
The default rom pushes all tethering through pcweb.tmobile.com which depending on your rate plan, determines if you get tether access. custom roms shouldn't have this setup.

I also have a Nexus 7 and the unlimited plan. I'm rooted on the S1 (no ROMs loaded yet) and am now trying to figure out where to go from here.

poptartz said:
I also have a Nexus 7 and the unlimited plan. I'm rooted on the S1 (no ROMs loaded yet) and am now trying to figure out where to go from here.
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You can try a new APN. Menu->Settings->More->Mobile Networks->APN or Access Point Names->Menu->New APN
Name it whatever you want and set the APN to epc.tmobile.com. this should bypass tmobile's tethering block.
Also, I've noticed that even if rooted, a desktop using ie, safari or chrome still gets blocked, but Firefox does not.
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