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has anyone seen the app "ROM Manager" in the market?
i havent played with it yet but it looks really interesting.
just reporting.
Looks interesting, but....
Requires its own recovery console to be flashed. I'd want to read more about their recovery image before getting stuck with it.
Requires the premium version in order to be able to download roms with it. No thanks. Downloading with Firefox and copying to an sd card isn't difficult enough that I'd spend money to avoid it.
Look for the thread that was titled "Anyone try the latest recovery" it is about the recovery console and has the website and all the info on it
subliminalurge said:
Looks interesting, but....
Requires its own recovery console to be flashed. I'd want to read more about their recovery image before getting stuck with it.
Requires the premium version in order to be able to download roms with it. No thanks. Downloading with Firefox and copying to an sd card isn't difficult enough that I'd spend money to avoid it.
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You know you can download a rom on your phone without any special software right?
nebenezer said:
You know you can download a rom on your phone without any special software right?
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Not until I get this flaky wifi sorted out. (And no way am I going to do it over 1x.)
I guess the idea is you can flash a rom w/o booting into recovery, as well as a pretty interface to download new roms. If it all worked, it could really streamline/ make idiot proof the process.
But I just had a pretty mediocre experience with it. It does require you to download its own recovery image (clockworkMod).
There is an apparently known issue with this recovery img that makes it impossible to select anything in recovery mode, and my first reboot was into "safe mode", but a 2nd boot fixed it.
More importantly, i just spent $4 (not sure why) and there are no hero roms.
Does anyone want to nut up and get start getting a few on there?
I think you are supposed to be the dev, but Idk.
koushikdutta.com/ <--dev's website w/ instructions to make roms appear in the app.
I guess the idea is you can flash a rom w/o booting into recovery, as well as a pretty interface to download new roms. If it all worked, it could really streamline/ make idiot proof the process.
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I guess the idea is you can flash a rom w/o booting into recovery, as well as a pretty interface to download new roms. If it all worked, it could really streamline/ make idiot proof the process.
But I just had a pretty mediocre experience with it. It does require you to download its own recovery image (clockworkMod).
There is an apparently known issue with this recovery img that makes it impossible to select anything in recovery mode, and my first reboot was into "safe mode", but a 2nd boot fixed it.
More importantly, i just spent $4 (not sure why) and there are no hero roms.
Does anyone want to nut up and get start getting a few on there?
I think you are supposed to be the dev, but Idk.
koushikdutta.com/ <--dev's website w/ instructions to make roms appear in the app.
I guess the idea is you can flash a rom w/o booting into recovery, as well as a pretty interface to download new roms. If it all worked, it could really streamline/ make idiot proof the process.
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Admitadly flashing without recovery would be nice,but I could never imagine flashing so much that I would require an app. Personally, not worth the 4$, although devs might find it useful if their beta testing, or if your someone who is constantly flashing (why?!).
there IS a free version...and so far with this app, i havent needed to go into recovery manually because i can do it all from the app..
i'm still playing with it.
mountaindont said:
Admitadly flashing without recovery would be nice,but I could never imagine flashing so much that I would require an app. Personally, not worth the 4$, although devs might find it useful if their beta testing, or if your someone who is constantly flashing (why?!).
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I bought it because it has an OTA update feature in the pay version, which sounded better than checking the 'available rom' wiki everyday. IRL I could see this being a problem if the rom thread includes important info about the update, i.e. bugs, that the app cant display. But if all the kinks get worked out, I think it would be useful.
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I bought it because it has an OTA update feature in the pay version, which sounded better than checking the 'available rom' wiki everyday. IRL I could see this being a problem if the rom thread includes important info about the update, i.e. bugs, that the app cant display. But if all the kinks get worked out, I think it would be useful.
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That would be a definate perk, but like I said...personally, not worth the 4$. Didnt cyn make his own ota update app? I guess my thing is, I could never imagine flashing so much for it to be a bother to boot into recovery. I feel there are better ways of keeping updated...sticking to one rom would be a good first start, then perhaps subscribing to their thread? Eh, with all the posts damage gets (broke 400 pages today!) perhaps thats inconveniant.
Idk man, Im certainly happy your satisfied with the project but I just dont see myself spending 4$ on something I could do for free.
I truely hope I dont sound cross, I just cant convince myself to spend the money. Maybe after another year of general Android devolpment, as Im switching to Evo first thing, and the app has more roms available, and the devs utilize the project.
Heck, if every dev got in on it, and roms were available for every phone in every flavor, id pay 20$!
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Idk man, Im certainly happy your satisfied with the project but I just dont see myself spending 4$ on something I could do for free.
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I feel pretty much the same. It could be a nice convenience, but to get me interested they would have to take the paid version, add more functionality to it, and then make it free.
It seems like all it's really doing is making an easy process slightly easier. Not worth 4 bucks....
Hey all,
I'm getting my G Tablet tomorrow and I'd just like to get some things clarified.
I know, the first thing some will say is USE SEARCH! Well, I did - and that's actually why I just want to get some things straight before I go down the path of modifying the device software. See, reading it all has managed to confuse me more than help me get a definitive instruction set for forging ahead.
I'm seeing the update "****s on CWM" according to a user...and then a 'fix' for that. Than I see that Gapps causes FCs for some, while it works for others. So...yeah, a little back and forth on what to do and who's instructions to follow.
Alright, so first thing's first....Should I flash the Clockwork Mod that I'm seeing available - 0.8? or is there something else I should consider or that I've missed? or maybe wait for a newer version? Should I even flash CWM if I get the newest (and I WILL be getting the newest) S/W version? Are there any downsides at all to flashing CWM on there in terms of messing with OTA updates, etc?
I read this:
"All the ROMS use a standard firmware updater that can be used by non-technical users. Here is an explanation on how it works:...."
Sooo, does that mean I can live without CWM? If an update doesn't work for some reason, will I be able to fix it or overwrite it somehow if I can't get into the tablet at all from the tablet itself? I read something about going into APX mode and putting things on through Windows, is this an infallible method?
Second of all, I read the FAQ thoroughly (I think and hope) but I'm still not 100% on what Gapps to DL or how to put a working Android Market on there especially with this new S/W update. I've seen how to 'fix' the Market to see missing apps, but not how to actually install it on the G Tablet. I may have missed that post somewhere on here.
I'm also unclear if I should get Gapps or not at all, as I've read that some have FCs on there while others do not - so what's the general consensus in light of this update that was just released as of Dec. 21, 2010?
Ultimately, here is what I'd like from my GTab:
I'd like to run the new official Tapn'Tap released recently first and foremost.
I'd like to have the official/unofficial (w/e) Google Market.
I'd like to run Google Apps (Gtalk, Gmail, etc.).
IF I don't like Tapn'Tap, and this is a worse case scenario situation, as in if I HATE TnT - I'd like to have the option to slap something else on there and I'd like to make sure I don't brick my Tablet. Whether that means storing an original official TnT ROM or whatever.
Point me in the right direction please, especially considering things may have changed as of the new S/W update.
Thanks much and sorry for all the questions. I assure you I used search and I attempted to put it together on my own. It's been a long time since I've modded (G1 was the last time) and I don't do it often. Also, apologies if I posted this in the wrong section....I considered posting it in Dev. section but this one seemed better suited.
Thanks again, XDA rocks.
Neoprimal said:
Hey all,
I'm getting my G Tablet tomorrow and I'd just like to get some things clarified.
I know, the first thing some will say is USE SEARCH! Well, I did - and that's actually why I just want to get some things straight before I go down the path of modifying the device software. See, reading it all has managed to confuse me more than help me get a definitive instruction set for forging ahead.
I'm seeing the update "****s on CWM" according to a user...and then a 'fix' for that. Than I see that Gapps causes FCs for some, while it works for others. So...yeah, a little back and forth on what to do and who's instructions to follow.
Alright, so first thing's first....Should I flash the Clockwork Mod that I'm seeing available - 0.8? or is there something else I should consider or that I've missed? or maybe wait for a newer version? Should I even flash CWM if I get the newest (and I WILL be getting the newest) S/W version? Are there any downsides at all to flashing CWM on there in terms of messing with OTA updates, etc?
I read this:
"All the ROMS use a standard firmware updater that can be used by non-technical users. Here is an explanation on how it works:...."
Sooo, does that mean I can live without CWM? If an update doesn't work for some reason, will I be able to fix it or overwrite it somehow if I can't get into the tablet at all from the tablet itself? I read something about going into APX mode and putting things on through Windows, is this an infallible method?
Second of all, I read the FAQ thoroughly (I think and hope) but I'm still not 100% on what Gapps to DL or how to put a working Android Market on there especially with this new S/W update. I've seen how to 'fix' the Market to see missing apps, but not how to actually install it on the G Tablet. I may have missed that post somewhere on here.
I'm also unclear if I should get Gapps or not at all, as I've read that some have FCs on there while others do not - so what's the general consensus in light of this update that was just released as of Dec. 21, 2010?
Ultimately, here is what I'd like from my GTab:
I'd like to run the new official Tapn'Tap released recently first and foremost.
I'd like to have the official/unofficial (w/e) Google Market.
I'd like to run Google Apps (Gtalk, Gmail, etc.).
IF I don't like Tapn'Tap, and this is a worse case scenario situation, as in if I HATE TnT - I'd like to have the option to slap something else on there and I'd like to make sure I don't brick my Tablet. Whether that means storing an original official TnT ROM or whatever.
Point me in the right direction please, especially considering things may have changed as of the new S/W update.
Thanks much and sorry for all the questions. I assure you I used search and I attempted to put it together on my own. It's been a long time since I've modded (G1 was the last time) and I don't do it often. Also, apologies if I posted this in the wrong section....I considered posting it in Dev. section but this one seemed better suited.
Thanks again, XDA rocks.
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I don't know how much direction pointing I can do but here goes..
Clockwork mod in my opinion is a necessity. Version 0.8 is the best one for most people because of how it deals with the memory locations. Yes, you can do things without it. The update process is as simple as putting an update.zip file, and a recovery folder with a command file in it on an sdcard and holding the vol + button while hitting power. It is easy. Clockwork has a lot of little features though that make life easier. You can make a complete system backup with it. You can install updates, and new firmware with it. You can completely lock up your tablet and using clockwork and your backup be back in business in about 3-4 minutes. You can load new roms and if you hate them you can go back to your old working stuff in minutes. Yes, there are ways to make one of these tablets work again when they get stuck. I don't think anyone has actually bricked one. Some may think they have, but I doubt it.
Unless you are dead set on wanting the stock TnT interface the easiest way to get what you want is to load one of the roms. Yes, there are ways to get most of it without loading a new rom. Most everyone that has gone the I have to stay stock but want all the mods has eventually just loaded a rom. TnT3.0 is based on the latest stock stuff. It has the market, flash, etc. already in it. VegaN is what I use mostly but they are both stable and fast.
Before you flash something brand new that just came out I would read about it and see what others have to say about issues. It usually only takes about 30 minutes until you can tell if it is going to be good or not.
All of the roms for this tablet have there own little quirks. The stock has gotten better with each update but it still is not as good as the ones I named.
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard.
With a little bit of searching almost everything you may want it to do can be done. I really love mine, and when I got it almost 2 months ago I hated it...
"Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard."
"Sigh" of relief. Then I'm not too worried. As I said I've dabbled in modifying my G1 and it is mostly cake. But I've just been seeing conflicting posts on whether cwm works with the newest official tnt release or not so I wasn't sure what to do.
Thanks for your advice. And when I said pointers, I meant like this as well as pointing me to any posts I may have missed on how to do whatever. Though I THINK I found most of them.
Neoprimal said:
"Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard."
"Sigh" of relief. Then I'm not too worried. As I said I've dabbled in modifying my G1 and it is mostly cake. But I've just been seeing conflicting posts on whether cwm works with the newest official tnt release or not so I wasn't sure what to do.
Thanks for your advice. And when I said pointers, I meant like this as well as pointing me to any posts I may have missed on how to do whatever. Though I THINK I found most of them.
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The new release overwrites clockwork. But it is not hard to put back. Always a good idea to copy the clockwork backups folder to your pc, or somewhere they won't be lost. The custom roms typically leave the recovery image alone and can be installed with or without clockwork by either extracting the zip contents for stock recovery, or installing it as is in clockwork.
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Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable.
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I can vouch for that. Erased system, boot, data and cache in preparation for a new ROM. Accidentally rebooted and couldn't get into recovery. Booted it into APX mode, flashed stock and was on my way.
I would just run ZRoot, then upload the TnTLite 3.0 recovery and update.zip and then do the recovery mode process. You should have a microsd handy just in case it doesn't work, but so far I haven't needed that.
This tablet is much easier to work with and very forgiving since VS never took the time to lock down the bootloader etc like Motorola did with my Droid X. You really shouldn't fear changing files out etc, provided you're getting a ROM from one of the people providing them here. If you can press and hold two buttons at once, you can make your gTab an awesome little tablet. It benchmarks about 1000 points higher than my Droid X on quadrant. Can't wait to see what these guys can do with Gingerbread.
Sprdtyf350 said:
The new release overwrites clockwork. But it is not hard to put back. Always a good idea to copy the clockwork backups folder to your pc, or somewhere they won't be lost. The custom roms typically leave the recovery image alone and can be installed with or without clockwork by either extracting the zip contents for stock recovery, or installing it as is in clockwork.
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It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update
hogasswild said:
I would just run ZRoot, then upload the TnTLite 3.0 recovery and update.zip and then do the recovery mode process. You should have a microsd handy just in case it doesn't work, but so far I haven't needed that.
This tablet is much easier to work with and very forgiving since VS never took the time to lock down the bootloader etc like Motorola did with my Droid X. You really shouldn't fear changing files out etc, provided you're getting a ROM from one of the people providing them here. If you can press and hold two buttons at once, you can make your gTab an awesome little tablet. It benchmarks about 1000 points higher than my Droid X on quadrant. Can't wait to see what these guys can do with Gingerbread.
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with the new update however does the z4root still work? i heard it may not anymore. just curious also since im hopefully getting mine on sat for xmas
rothnic said:
It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update
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Thanks for the info Rothnic! I had already flashed it before I figured out it removed Clockwork. Learning new stuff every day is good... Thanks..
dragonfly1113 said:
with the new update however does the z4root still work? i heard it may not anymore. just curious also since im hopefully getting mine on sat for xmas
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The very first time I rooted, I used ZRoot and installed 2.4.0. I didn't change anything and used the exact same process of simply copying over the 3.0.0 files over to the root directory of the internal memory and did the recovery procedure (vol+ and pwr keys). It worked like a charm.
hogasswild said:
The very first time I rooted, I used ZRoot and installed 2.4.0. I didn't change anything and used the exact same process of simply copying over the 3.0.0 files over to the root directory of the internal memory and did the recovery procedure (vol+ and pwr keys). It worked like a charm.
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Ok cool, thanks cant wait for my g tablet hopefully sat morning
I think you'll like it a lot. I also own an iPad. While they are similar they are also a little different. Merry Christmas!
hogasswild said:
I think you'll like it a lot. I also own an iPad. While they are similar they are also a little different. Merry Christmas!
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my mom has an ipad and my dad could only buy it while i was on my honeymoon bc he knew i wouldnt approve of an apple device in the house haha.
rothnic said:
It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update
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My device hasn't come yet (damn you FedEx!) but I'm eagerly awaiting it.
My plan:
Unbox, start it....do a factory reset from the getgo if it has enough juice.
Set it back up. Charge it to full. If whatever comes on it is as unbearable as I've seen in on Youtube - start modifications.
Will CWM install on it AFTER I do the update if it's available to me? I've seen that the update messes with it if it's already there - but noone's mentioned putting it on there after the fact. I may just go that route for simplicity sake.
Thanks for this!, and thank you all for chiming in with your experience. I feel much better about just getting my hands dirty in it all. I had wrote something to someone yesterday about jumping in and just doing it, but when it comes to dealing with it yourself it can be a daunting task - especially when it still has that new smell, lol. Anyway, thanks again. You guys really rock.
Will stop back later on after I've done my thing
I think they are both nice devices. There are trade off for both of them. I think the screen on the iPad is wonderful, where the gTab's is okay. But the gTab has a forward facing camera, you can print from it, and you can modify it fairly easily too.
Sprdtyf350 said:
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable.
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...famous last words...
Seriously though...trust the directions from the great devs like roebeet. Follow their instructions word for word. You can switch ROMs and then flash back if you want. No worries...
Off topic!
Well...disappointment! Fedex had my package out for delivery at 8am and at 8pm, they're not here. This is why I like UPS, they show up at my door on the day of delivery, no exceptions - they have shown up at almost 9pm before. The Archos 101 I got was sent out at 8am as well but got here at 1:30pm - I suppose that was before the holiday rush.
Checking the details of my tracking I'm seeing a "delivery exception" at 7:30pm (I guess it was time to get back to the facility so they can clock out by 8pm?) and upon calling them I get a somewhat stumbling but polite CS who tells me the delivery went out "late" - upon which I asked if 8am was considered late, especially from a distribution facility WITHIN the same zip code as I am, and all he could say was "Very sorry about this".
Aaaanyway....I guess it will be tomorrow before I can report my adventures.
Think I'll be able to get my $3.99 back from Amazon? I have Prime and with that the package would have come tomorrow anyway. Basically my $3.99 is wasted. Imagine if I didn't have Prime though? Whew.
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...famous last words...
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If you can figure out how to brick it you will probably get an award.. It won't be a good award but probably one of those top ten dumb things people do awards. So far unless you plug the motherboard into a wall socket no one has bricked one. May think they have, but like I said before I doubt it..
And your right.. If it can be done, someone eventually will figure out how. And then we will all laugh at them.. At least I will
I finally got the G tablet tonight and...alright, don't flame me for this - but I don't see what all the complaints about the screen being horrendous or the device being molasses slow are about?
I don't know how people are trying to view it...but when looking at it or setting it on a stand to watch media, I'm not seeing any problem with the viewing angles. It's about the same as my laptop so I watch it the same way.
It's not even a 1/4 as slow as the stuff I've seen on Youtube or in some of the review videos I've seen around the net. I haven't gotten a single FC. Granted, I haven't put in a SD Card yet so maybe problems will start then?
I guess I should note, the very first thing I did was did a factory reset. Then I hooked it up to Wifi and got the 3053 update. I'm one of those who will be waiting for the 'official' update on the 24th.
I set up the time and date, restarted and everything works. I haven't installed flash yet (don't need it that much) and stuff that I DO want on there right now works fine (skype, pandora, fring, dropbox, evernote). I'm slowly figuring out a list of what I want/need from my Mytouch 4G to port to the VS GTab. Figure I don't really NEED Gtalk, Gmail on there because I have these on my phone AND PC - do I really want them making noises all around my home on 3 devices? I was concerned about getting the Google Apps on but now I'm finding I really don't need them. So it seems to me this will be a matter of learning to separate what I need on a tablet vs. my phone - I was of the mentality that I should just get whatever's on my phone on the tablet, this is something others apparently do as they seem to want everything that's on their phone, on their tablets as well.
I personally don't see the point in that. Had I had the Google Market, that would have escaped me as I'd have used Appbrain to just get my motherload of apps from the MT4G to the GTab. Not having it has slowed me, and now I get to re-evaluate before I do grab apps for it.
Now I just have to merge/convert my HTPC into a NAS device as well and find an app that will allow me to DLNA stream media from it and I'll be in mobile heaven.
I haven't had my wifi drop at all anywhere in my home and I've marched all over with it (I use full Wifi N, no G compat. so maybe my range is wider?). Tried email, etc. to replicate crashes and force closes but haven't so far. No surfing issues. I DID find that one app got 'stuck' being downloaded and I had to delete the file before the 'downloading' icon would go away, even after restart.
Maybe the trick to getting a workable GTab in the first place is to factory reset it before first use? Iunno. Things may change and issues may pop up the more I use it and as time passes - but so far, so good!
Again, I can't thank XDA enough for the advice and info. I've found and been given.
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If you can figure out how to brick it you will probably get an award.. It won't be a good award but probably one of those top ten dumb things people do awards. So far unless you plug the motherboard into a wall socket no one has bricked one. May think they have, but like I said before I doubt it..
And your right.. If it can be done, someone eventually will figure out how. And then we will all laugh at them.. At least I will
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I figured it out. Accidentally hit one of the devkit nvflash .cabs and boom
I followed the method to apply this update to my device when it first came out. I ran it for a few days and HATED it. So I restored back to 4.4.2 from my nandroid and all was well, except for the nag that wouldn't go away. I dealt with it for as long as I could before I had to get rid of it. I followed instructions on deleting the update file and renaming something else and then installed Autorun Manager from Play Store and made sure that com.google.android.gsf.update.SystemUpdateService$Receiver was un-checked (which strangely it already was). I rebooted my phone, and the nag was gone so I thought I was in the clear.
Well this AM I take my phone off the pad, and the battery is at 60% which is quite odd for a phone that's been charging for 9 hours, and I see that my data limit setting has been tripped! This thing used like 2 gigs of data in the background under Google Services OVERNIGHT!!! This is ridiculous! This is Android, for crying out loud... I shouldn't be forced to use an update that I didn't like! Or have to install a custom ROM for that matter, which I used to do on my phones (I loved cyanogenmod) but with GravityBox I've been able to do everything I needed to do with the stock ROM. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, however suggesting that I disable background data for Google Services will be unacceptable considering it will break a bunch of other stuff. There's got to be a way around this. Thanks in advance!!!
IrocD said:
I followed the method to apply this update to my device when it first came out. I ran it for a few days and HATED it. So I restored back to 4.4.2 from my nandroid and all was well, except for the nag that wouldn't go away. I dealt with it for as long as I could before I had to get rid of it. I followed instructions on deleting the update file and renaming something else and then installed Autorun Manager from Play Store and made sure that com.google.android.gsf.update.SystemUpdateService$Receiver was un-checked (which strangely it already was). I rebooted my phone, and the nag was gone so I thought I was in the clear.
Well this AM I take my phone off the pad, and the battery is at 60% which is quite odd for a phone that's been charging for 9 hours, and I see that my data limit setting has been tripped! This thing used like 2 gigs of data in the background under Google Services OVERNIGHT!!! This is ridiculous! This is Android, for crying out loud... I shouldn't be forced to use an update that I didn't like! Or have to install a custom ROM for that matter, which I used to do on my phones (I loved cyanogenmod) but with GravityBox I've been able to do everything I needed to do with the stock ROM. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, however suggesting that I disable background data for Google Services will be unacceptable considering it will break a bunch of other stuff. There's got to be a way around this. Thanks in advance!!!
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Out of curiosity what did you hate about 4.4.3? From a UI/UX standpoint, not much changed.
jamel_tza said:
Out of curiosity what did you hate about 4.4.3? From a UI/UX standpoint, not much changed.
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IDK if it was app incompatibilities, but I had TERRIBLE battery life and constant reboots. My device rebooted at least twice an hour. It was basically unusable. I'm no stranger to these devices and messing around with them, so I'm pretty sure it's not something I did. Normally I like to have the latest and greatest, and visually I did like the little changes. But I couldn't live with it, and I don't feel that Google should be able to nag me to upgrade and then obliterate my data allotment when I take steps to override it. Am I wrong?
IrocD said:
IDK if it was app incompatibilities, but I had TERRIBLE battery life and constant reboots. My device rebooted at least twice an hour. It was basically unusable. I'm no stranger to these devices and messing around with them, so I'm pretty sure it's not something I did. Normally I like to have the latest and greatest, and visually I did like the little changes. But I couldn't live with it, and I don't feel that Google should be able to nag me to upgrade and then obliterate my data allotment when I take steps to override it. Am I wrong?
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Wow that's pretty unusual... As someone who's rooted I understand how much of a pain in the ass OTAs can be, since you liked some of the changes the update brought I think you should give it another shot, though - this time by heading over to the Android Development section, finding a flashable zip of Stock ROM doing a clean install. Don't forget to make a nandroid backup though!
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Wow that's pretty unusual... As someone who's rooted I understand how much of a pain in the ass OTAs can be, since you liked some of the changes the update brought I think you should give it another shot, though - this time by heading over to the Android Development section, finding a flashable zip of Stock ROM doing a clean install. Don't forget to make a nandroid backup though!
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Maybe a good idea... when I did my upgrade, I don't think anyone had made a flashable zip of 4.4.3 yet. I guess I could give it a shot!
IrocD said:
Maybe a good idea... when I did my upgrade, I don't think anyone had made a flashable zip of 4.4.3 yet. I guess I could give it a shot!
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Give it a shot, there are tons of zips now, just a matter of choice. Plus if anything goes wrong, you have a backup.
btw - I'm giving you this advice because I was in a similar position when the update rolled out. I didn't want to update right away because of possible bugs. After a week if nags I flashed a zip someone put together and things have been fine since.
Either way, let me know how it goes!
Another way would be to download the 4.4.3 factory images and flash system, radio, boot. The random reboots will surely stop. I've not yet seen any app which is compatible with 4.4.2 and isn't with .3
PS: While changing android versions, I always prefer to clean install.
jamel_tza said:
Give it a shot, there are tons of zips now, just a matter of choice. Plus if anything goes wrong, you have a backup.
btw - I'm giving you this advice because I was in a similar position when the update rolled out. I didn't want to update right away because of possible bugs. After a week if nags I flashed a zip someone put together and things have been fine since.
Either way, let me know how it goes!
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Welp, I just clean-flashed the de-odexed 4.4.3 and everything is okay, so far. My device was nearly dead <20% by the time I was done flashing, so I'm gonna let it spend some time on the pad and then see if I have any issues. Keep your fingers crossed for me!
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Welp, I just clean-flashed the de-odexed 4.4.3 and everything is okay, so far. My device was nearly dead <20% by the time I was done flashing, so I'm gonna let it spend some time on the pad and then see if I have any issues. Keep your fingers crossed for me!
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I have 'em crossed tight! I hope everything works out. If you encounter any problems don't hesitate to report back here.
JT
Do we know if anyone is working on twrp for this device? This is first time in many years i have a phone before all these things were available.
Not being pushy but from the look of things on twrp website not always automatic that they will work on it.
It will take some time to get it. Be careful with risky experiments before it is available. Nobody can tell you a clear time when it will be there. People are bricking their devices because they are not careful.
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Do we know if anyone is working on twrp for this device? This is first time in many years i have a phone before all these things were available.
Not being pushy but from the look of things on twrp website not always automatic that they will work on it.
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Still isn't a working version for the op8. I'm not holding my breath. I'm leaving well enough alone with root. No msm tools yet and that will leave a bunch on new devices in a bad way if people keep proceeding with trying to flash.
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Still isn't a working version for the op8. I'm not holding my breath. I'm leaving well enough alone with root. No msm tools yet and that will leave a bunch on new devices in a bad way if people keep proceeding with trying to flash.
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Oh didn't know 8 didn't have one, came from 7 pro. Geez guess that answers that. I looked but seems above my skill set and i wouldn't be able to support if i somehow got it working.
Not even one for the 7 Pro on Android 11. I flashed it after upgrading and got stuck in a crazy boot loop. Had a lot of fun getting it back. Fortunately, I was able to use a stock boot image to boot then pull all my data off. Then had to MSM it to get it back to normal.
It was not a fun night.
I trade mine in just before 11 got released. Never did beta. Didn't trust it
Is there any TWRP development coming to is phone?? Feel like it's gone back to galaxy s one days before twrp was invented. What the wtf, we going backwards?
Was given the impression the pixel 7 pro was the bees nees of dev but feels like a phone in chains. Do I need to carry a laptop around to flash a ROM . Wtf!
the s23 ultra has an unofficial twrp build already and the pixel 7 pro nadda.
I feel I want to return this and get something that actually has possibilities. This is ****. I want to play with different roms they look good but with the trouble of not being able to flash on the fly, flash majisk, I have no interest in flashing these days, seems to trouble some. Pixels feels like they are just in locks and chains. Not happy so far at all with this phone.
I'm currently on calyx os and if I flash magisk from a computer I can't take the OTA, where if I had TWRP recovery I can just flash OTA or file.zip and the majisk and done. Feel like this phone is a step backwards. That do you think?
Just thought I'd ramble on a bit about my upsets. No pun intended. But to thoughs who made this harder
There just haven't been a need for TWRP as of now, since you can/need to do most things via a computer and a cable. Factory images updates for example, cannot be flashed via TWRP.
Other ROMs such as LOS or Evox has their own recovery implementation. Which is incompatible as well
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There just haven't been a need for TWRP as of now, since you can/need to do most things via a computer and a cable. Factory images updates for example, cannot be flashed via TWRP.
Other ROMs such as LOS or Evox has their own recovery implementation. Which is incompatible as well
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If twrp was available right now I would flash it without a heartbeat. Flash roms like nobody's watching. And be greatfull I didn't need my laptop for such things.
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Is there any TWRP development coming to is phone?? Feel like it's gone back to galaxy s one days before twrp was invented. What the wtf, we going backwards?
Was given the impression the pixel 7 pro was the bees nees of dev but feels like a phone in chains. Do I need to carry a laptop around to flash a ROM . Wtf!
the s23 ultra has an unofficial twrp build already and the pixel 7 pro nadda.
I feel I want to return this and get something that actually has possibilities. This is ****. I want to play with different roms they look good but with the trouble of not being able to flash on the fly, flash majisk, I have no interest in flashing these days, seems to trouble some. Pixels feels like they are just in locks and chains. Not happy so far at all with this phone.
I'm currently on calyx os and if I flash magisk from a computer I can't take the OTA, where if I had TWRP recovery I can just flash OTA or file.zip and the majisk and done. Feel like this phone is a step backwards. That do you think?
Just thought I'd ramble on a bit about my upsets. No pun intended. But to thoughs who made this harder
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I might be wrong but the s23 series is probably the last who will get twrp too.
I think twrp on a/b devices is not a big thing and google forces any device released with android13 to be an a/b device.
And TWRP is generally of little use on Pixel devices, which do not have a recovery partition. Since the bootloaders are easily unlocked and accept flashing commands, firmware can be flashed via ADB.
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I might be wrong but the s23 series is probably the last who will get twrp too.
I think twrp on a/b devices is not a big thing and google forces any device released with android13 to be an a/b device.
And TWRP is generally of little use on Pixel devices, which do not have a recovery partition. Since the bootloaders are easily unlocked and accept flashing commands, firmware can be flashed via ADB.
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What you mean not a big thing? What? bootloaders unlocked. Every mainstream phone has bootloader's to unlock. There are many ab devices with twrp.?
In a few years it seems flashing a ROM will be a thing of the past. Google android is sailing the way to an island with no food. Android is dead. I think i'll have to go back to my op5t for the full fruits of life. There is no life here.
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What you mean not a big thing? What? bootloaders unlocked. Every mainstream phone has bootloader's to unlock. There are many ab devices with twrp.?
In a few years it seems flashing a ROM will be a thing of the past. Google android is sailing the way to an island with no food. Android is dead. I think i'll have to go back to my op5t for the full fruits of life. There is no life here.
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The last devices im using had trouble with TWRP. (OnePlus 8 Pro, Nothing Phone 1, Pixel 7 Pro)All A/B Devices.
Im fine with using my computer to install roms.
If having twrp is such a big deal for you, you should not pick devices that dont have it.
The Pixel 5 was the last Pixel with twrp.
xtcislove said:
The last devices im using had trouble with TWRP. (OnePlus 8 Pro, Nothing Phone 1, Pixel 7 Pro)All A/B Devices.
Im fine with using my computer to install roms.
If having twrp is such a big deal for you, you should not pick devices that dont have it.
The Pixel 5 was the last Pixel with twrp.
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Well, I didn't have a chance at the time to study what the pixel 7 pro would or would not have. And had to take a luck dip at the time.
I guess I'm just used to using twrp for such a long time and now new pixel are feeling old.
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Well, I didn't have a chance at the time to study what the pixel 7 pro would or would not have. And had to take a luck dip at the time.
I guess I'm just used to using twrp for such a long time and now new pixel are feeling old.
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I understand this. Im Here since 2010 and used a Huawei p30 pro a Long Time. It is a great device without root/bootloader unlock. I came Back with a oneplus 8 pro without twrp easy hard/soft bricks and more.
We have to adapt.
Nandroid FTW
HipKat said:
Nandroid FTW
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What's Ftw?
prana_Sky said:
What's Ftw?
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For The Win as opposed to the other option, I'd guess... Using that old thing called Google. Before getting a new device I always have a quick check on XDA as to what kind of support/ROM etc development is being done. Only takes a moment, just like the search I did for you. No need to rant, just change your device then. Job done!
It's really a backwards for Google without TWRP's support. Very Badly.
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For The Win as opposed to the other option, I'd guess... Using that old thing called Google. Before getting a new device I always have a quick check on XDA as to what kind of support/ROM etc development is being done. Only takes a moment, just like the search I did for you. No need to rant, just change your device then. Job done!
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Yeah, as I mention on a few posts above. If you read properly which only takes a moment, i didn't have time to do a full examination on this phone. But I did a brief one and thought it may come to it's senses down the line like all the other phones I ever owned. But Nuh doesn't look like this one is going anywhere in terms of twrp recovery. Or any recovery that helps the user flash on the fly.
I will rant on about it, that's why I created this thread so we can rant. If you not happy to rant don't rant. Lol
tnchng said:
It's really a backwards for Google without TWRP's support. Very Badly.
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Yeah, sad and restricting. Don't know how anyone can think this is a step in the right direction, really.
Tinkering with your phone without having a proper Nandroid backup is a no go, for me.
So far this phone is not what I expected it to be. Came from a OnePlus 7 Pro. Is it smoother? Probably, can't really notice. It is faster in regular use? Well no. Are the cameras better? Sure. Can I really play with it like you should be able to on a rooted phone without any fears of losing hours and hours of time? No, 'cause no TWRP/Nandroid.
Real shame.
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Yeah, as I mention on a few posts above. If you read properly which only takes a moment, i didn't have time to do a full examination on this phone. But I did a brief one and thought it may come to it's senses down the line like all the other phones I ever owned. But Nuh doesn't look like this one is going anywhere in terms of twrp recovery. Or any recovery that helps the user flash on the fly.
I will rant on about it, that's why I created this thread so we can rant. If you not happy to rant don't rant. Lol
Yeah, sad and restricting. Don't know how anyone can think this is a step in the right direction, really.
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Yeah dude, I did read the thread... Seriously, you bought a pretty expensive device without taking just 2-5 mins to check up briefly about the device. Rant away my friend, rant away. Doesn't bother me, just sharing my 2 cents!!
FWIW I do actually agree with you, twrp is becoming harder and harder to flash with various methods, banking apps are detecting unlocked BL's etc. It is becoming a bit of a nightmare!
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Is there any TWRP development coming to is phone?? Feel like it's gone back to galaxy s one days before twrp was invented. What the wtf, we going backwards?
Was given the impression the pixel 7 pro was the bees nees of dev but feels like a phone in chains. Do I need to carry a laptop around to flash a ROM . Wtf!
the s23 ultra has an unofficial twrp build already and the pixel 7 pro nadda.
I feel I want to return this and get something that actually has possibilities. This is ****. I want to play with different roms they look good but with the trouble of not being able to flash on the fly, flash majisk, I have no interest in flashing these days, seems to trouble some. Pixels feels like they are just in locks and chains. Not happy so far at all with this phone.
I'm currently on calyx os and if I flash magisk from a computer I can't take the OTA, where if I had TWRP recovery I can just flash OTA or file.zip and the majisk and done. Feel like this phone is a step backwards. That do you think?
Just thought I'd ramble on a bit about my upsets. No pun intended. But to thoughs who made this harder
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According to TWRP website, "is done by roughly 4 people at this point." For all other phones and everything else, they depend on volunteer "maintainers" as "We can’t afford to buy every device made" (source: their website About & FAQs). So if you wish to learn to become a "maintainer" to bring it to the P7P, or commission an expert to voluntarily "port" it to this device....
This is how TWRP comes to devices. It's not like Google pays them, or anyone pays them to get it on devices, so ranting and demanding it with that expectation is unfounded. Also, it's well established that they have been having issues/problems with the next version of Android each time -- starting from the Pixel 5 when it moved from Android 10 to 11, then by the time they got it working for Android 11, Android 12 was released and they weren't able to get it working for that, and by the the time they were "beta" able to get it working for Android 12, Android 13 released and they are not able to keep up.
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I do truly miss & regret not having Nandroid backups anymore! It truly was a pure, whole snapshot of your whole setup where, if anything happened, you restore it from there and ABSOLUTELY everything was restored like the second you backed it up...! Nothing now compares....
RIP TWRP you're always missed.
Thankfully Pixel Flasher "kind of" seem to be more and more like TWRP but on the computer. A/B really killed TWRP hard.
Really, after my OnePlus with its quirks and requirements, the 7P seems like a breeze to flash and root...
reg66 said:
Yeah dude, I did read the thread... Seriously, you bought a pretty expensive device without taking just 2-5 mins to check up briefly about the device. Rant away my friend, rant away. Doesn't bother me, just sharing my 2 cents!!
FWIW I do actually agree with you, twrp is becoming harder and harder to flash with various methods, banking apps are detecting unlocked BL's etc. It is becoming a bit of a nightmare!
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Mate, you don't know my situation so don't tell me what I should have done. Simple