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G Tablet coming tomorrow...would like to get some things set straight. Thanks.

Hey all,
I'm getting my G Tablet tomorrow and I'd just like to get some things clarified.
I know, the first thing some will say is USE SEARCH! Well, I did - and that's actually why I just want to get some things straight before I go down the path of modifying the device software. See, reading it all has managed to confuse me more than help me get a definitive instruction set for forging ahead.
I'm seeing the update "****s on CWM" according to a user...and then a 'fix' for that. Than I see that Gapps causes FCs for some, while it works for others. So...yeah, a little back and forth on what to do and who's instructions to follow.
Alright, so first thing's first....Should I flash the Clockwork Mod that I'm seeing available - 0.8? or is there something else I should consider or that I've missed? or maybe wait for a newer version? Should I even flash CWM if I get the newest (and I WILL be getting the newest) S/W version? Are there any downsides at all to flashing CWM on there in terms of messing with OTA updates, etc?
I read this:
"All the ROMS use a standard firmware updater that can be used by non-technical users. Here is an explanation on how it works:...."
Sooo, does that mean I can live without CWM? If an update doesn't work for some reason, will I be able to fix it or overwrite it somehow if I can't get into the tablet at all from the tablet itself? I read something about going into APX mode and putting things on through Windows, is this an infallible method?
Second of all, I read the FAQ thoroughly (I think and hope) but I'm still not 100% on what Gapps to DL or how to put a working Android Market on there especially with this new S/W update. I've seen how to 'fix' the Market to see missing apps, but not how to actually install it on the G Tablet. I may have missed that post somewhere on here.
I'm also unclear if I should get Gapps or not at all, as I've read that some have FCs on there while others do not - so what's the general consensus in light of this update that was just released as of Dec. 21, 2010?
Ultimately, here is what I'd like from my GTab:
I'd like to run the new official Tapn'Tap released recently first and foremost.
I'd like to have the official/unofficial (w/e) Google Market.
I'd like to run Google Apps (Gtalk, Gmail, etc.).
IF I don't like Tapn'Tap, and this is a worse case scenario situation, as in if I HATE TnT - I'd like to have the option to slap something else on there and I'd like to make sure I don't brick my Tablet. Whether that means storing an original official TnT ROM or whatever.
Point me in the right direction please, especially considering things may have changed as of the new S/W update.
Thanks much and sorry for all the questions. I assure you I used search and I attempted to put it together on my own. It's been a long time since I've modded (G1 was the last time) and I don't do it often. Also, apologies if I posted this in the wrong section....I considered posting it in Dev. section but this one seemed better suited.
Thanks again, XDA rocks.

Neoprimal said:
Hey all,
I'm getting my G Tablet tomorrow and I'd just like to get some things clarified.
I know, the first thing some will say is USE SEARCH! Well, I did - and that's actually why I just want to get some things straight before I go down the path of modifying the device software. See, reading it all has managed to confuse me more than help me get a definitive instruction set for forging ahead.
I'm seeing the update "****s on CWM" according to a user...and then a 'fix' for that. Than I see that Gapps causes FCs for some, while it works for others. So...yeah, a little back and forth on what to do and who's instructions to follow.
Alright, so first thing's first....Should I flash the Clockwork Mod that I'm seeing available - 0.8? or is there something else I should consider or that I've missed? or maybe wait for a newer version? Should I even flash CWM if I get the newest (and I WILL be getting the newest) S/W version? Are there any downsides at all to flashing CWM on there in terms of messing with OTA updates, etc?
I read this:
"All the ROMS use a standard firmware updater that can be used by non-technical users. Here is an explanation on how it works:...."
Sooo, does that mean I can live without CWM? If an update doesn't work for some reason, will I be able to fix it or overwrite it somehow if I can't get into the tablet at all from the tablet itself? I read something about going into APX mode and putting things on through Windows, is this an infallible method?
Second of all, I read the FAQ thoroughly (I think and hope) but I'm still not 100% on what Gapps to DL or how to put a working Android Market on there especially with this new S/W update. I've seen how to 'fix' the Market to see missing apps, but not how to actually install it on the G Tablet. I may have missed that post somewhere on here.
I'm also unclear if I should get Gapps or not at all, as I've read that some have FCs on there while others do not - so what's the general consensus in light of this update that was just released as of Dec. 21, 2010?
Ultimately, here is what I'd like from my GTab:
I'd like to run the new official Tapn'Tap released recently first and foremost.
I'd like to have the official/unofficial (w/e) Google Market.
I'd like to run Google Apps (Gtalk, Gmail, etc.).
IF I don't like Tapn'Tap, and this is a worse case scenario situation, as in if I HATE TnT - I'd like to have the option to slap something else on there and I'd like to make sure I don't brick my Tablet. Whether that means storing an original official TnT ROM or whatever.
Point me in the right direction please, especially considering things may have changed as of the new S/W update.
Thanks much and sorry for all the questions. I assure you I used search and I attempted to put it together on my own. It's been a long time since I've modded (G1 was the last time) and I don't do it often. Also, apologies if I posted this in the wrong section....I considered posting it in Dev. section but this one seemed better suited.
Thanks again, XDA rocks.
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I don't know how much direction pointing I can do but here goes..
Clockwork mod in my opinion is a necessity. Version 0.8 is the best one for most people because of how it deals with the memory locations. Yes, you can do things without it. The update process is as simple as putting an update.zip file, and a recovery folder with a command file in it on an sdcard and holding the vol + button while hitting power. It is easy. Clockwork has a lot of little features though that make life easier. You can make a complete system backup with it. You can install updates, and new firmware with it. You can completely lock up your tablet and using clockwork and your backup be back in business in about 3-4 minutes. You can load new roms and if you hate them you can go back to your old working stuff in minutes. Yes, there are ways to make one of these tablets work again when they get stuck. I don't think anyone has actually bricked one. Some may think they have, but I doubt it.
Unless you are dead set on wanting the stock TnT interface the easiest way to get what you want is to load one of the roms. Yes, there are ways to get most of it without loading a new rom. Most everyone that has gone the I have to stay stock but want all the mods has eventually just loaded a rom. TnT3.0 is based on the latest stock stuff. It has the market, flash, etc. already in it. VegaN is what I use mostly but they are both stable and fast.
Before you flash something brand new that just came out I would read about it and see what others have to say about issues. It usually only takes about 30 minutes until you can tell if it is going to be good or not.
All of the roms for this tablet have there own little quirks. The stock has gotten better with each update but it still is not as good as the ones I named.
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard.
With a little bit of searching almost everything you may want it to do can be done. I really love mine, and when I got it almost 2 months ago I hated it...

"Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard."
"Sigh" of relief. Then I'm not too worried. As I said I've dabbled in modifying my G1 and it is mostly cake. But I've just been seeing conflicting posts on whether cwm works with the newest official tnt release or not so I wasn't sure what to do.
Thanks for your advice. And when I said pointers, I meant like this as well as pointing me to any posts I may have missed on how to do whatever. Though I THINK I found most of them.

Neoprimal said:
"Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard."
"Sigh" of relief. Then I'm not too worried. As I said I've dabbled in modifying my G1 and it is mostly cake. But I've just been seeing conflicting posts on whether cwm works with the newest official tnt release or not so I wasn't sure what to do.
Thanks for your advice. And when I said pointers, I meant like this as well as pointing me to any posts I may have missed on how to do whatever. Though I THINK I found most of them.
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The new release overwrites clockwork. But it is not hard to put back. Always a good idea to copy the clockwork backups folder to your pc, or somewhere they won't be lost. The custom roms typically leave the recovery image alone and can be installed with or without clockwork by either extracting the zip contents for stock recovery, or installing it as is in clockwork.

Sprdtyf350 said:
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable.
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I can vouch for that. Erased system, boot, data and cache in preparation for a new ROM. Accidentally rebooted and couldn't get into recovery. Booted it into APX mode, flashed stock and was on my way.

I would just run ZRoot, then upload the TnTLite 3.0 recovery and update.zip and then do the recovery mode process. You should have a microsd handy just in case it doesn't work, but so far I haven't needed that.
This tablet is much easier to work with and very forgiving since VS never took the time to lock down the bootloader etc like Motorola did with my Droid X. You really shouldn't fear changing files out etc, provided you're getting a ROM from one of the people providing them here. If you can press and hold two buttons at once, you can make your gTab an awesome little tablet. It benchmarks about 1000 points higher than my Droid X on quadrant. Can't wait to see what these guys can do with Gingerbread.

Sprdtyf350 said:
The new release overwrites clockwork. But it is not hard to put back. Always a good idea to copy the clockwork backups folder to your pc, or somewhere they won't be lost. The custom roms typically leave the recovery image alone and can be installed with or without clockwork by either extracting the zip contents for stock recovery, or installing it as is in clockwork.
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It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update

hogasswild said:
I would just run ZRoot, then upload the TnTLite 3.0 recovery and update.zip and then do the recovery mode process. You should have a microsd handy just in case it doesn't work, but so far I haven't needed that.
This tablet is much easier to work with and very forgiving since VS never took the time to lock down the bootloader etc like Motorola did with my Droid X. You really shouldn't fear changing files out etc, provided you're getting a ROM from one of the people providing them here. If you can press and hold two buttons at once, you can make your gTab an awesome little tablet. It benchmarks about 1000 points higher than my Droid X on quadrant. Can't wait to see what these guys can do with Gingerbread.
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with the new update however does the z4root still work? i heard it may not anymore. just curious also since im hopefully getting mine on sat for xmas

rothnic said:
It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update
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Thanks for the info Rothnic! I had already flashed it before I figured out it removed Clockwork. Learning new stuff every day is good... Thanks..

dragonfly1113 said:
with the new update however does the z4root still work? i heard it may not anymore. just curious also since im hopefully getting mine on sat for xmas
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The very first time I rooted, I used ZRoot and installed 2.4.0. I didn't change anything and used the exact same process of simply copying over the 3.0.0 files over to the root directory of the internal memory and did the recovery procedure (vol+ and pwr keys). It worked like a charm.

hogasswild said:
The very first time I rooted, I used ZRoot and installed 2.4.0. I didn't change anything and used the exact same process of simply copying over the 3.0.0 files over to the root directory of the internal memory and did the recovery procedure (vol+ and pwr keys). It worked like a charm.
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Ok cool, thanks cant wait for my g tablet hopefully sat morning

I think you'll like it a lot. I also own an iPad. While they are similar they are also a little different. Merry Christmas!

hogasswild said:
I think you'll like it a lot. I also own an iPad. While they are similar they are also a little different. Merry Christmas!
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my mom has an ipad and my dad could only buy it while i was on my honeymoon bc he knew i wouldnt approve of an apple device in the house haha.

rothnic said:
It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update
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My device hasn't come yet (damn you FedEx!) but I'm eagerly awaiting it.
My plan:
Unbox, start it....do a factory reset from the getgo if it has enough juice.
Set it back up. Charge it to full. If whatever comes on it is as unbearable as I've seen in on Youtube - start modifications.
Will CWM install on it AFTER I do the update if it's available to me? I've seen that the update messes with it if it's already there - but noone's mentioned putting it on there after the fact. I may just go that route for simplicity sake.
Thanks for this!, and thank you all for chiming in with your experience. I feel much better about just getting my hands dirty in it all. I had wrote something to someone yesterday about jumping in and just doing it, but when it comes to dealing with it yourself it can be a daunting task - especially when it still has that new smell, lol. Anyway, thanks again. You guys really rock.
Will stop back later on after I've done my thing

I think they are both nice devices. There are trade off for both of them. I think the screen on the iPad is wonderful, where the gTab's is okay. But the gTab has a forward facing camera, you can print from it, and you can modify it fairly easily too.

Sprdtyf350 said:
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable.
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...famous last words...
Seriously though...trust the directions from the great devs like roebeet. Follow their instructions word for word. You can switch ROMs and then flash back if you want. No worries...

Off topic!
Well...disappointment! Fedex had my package out for delivery at 8am and at 8pm, they're not here. This is why I like UPS, they show up at my door on the day of delivery, no exceptions - they have shown up at almost 9pm before. The Archos 101 I got was sent out at 8am as well but got here at 1:30pm - I suppose that was before the holiday rush.
Checking the details of my tracking I'm seeing a "delivery exception" at 7:30pm (I guess it was time to get back to the facility so they can clock out by 8pm?) and upon calling them I get a somewhat stumbling but polite CS who tells me the delivery went out "late" - upon which I asked if 8am was considered late, especially from a distribution facility WITHIN the same zip code as I am, and all he could say was "Very sorry about this".
Aaaanyway....I guess it will be tomorrow before I can report my adventures.
Think I'll be able to get my $3.99 back from Amazon? I have Prime and with that the package would have come tomorrow anyway. Basically my $3.99 is wasted. Imagine if I didn't have Prime though? Whew.

ima_UNC_fan said:
...famous last words...
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If you can figure out how to brick it you will probably get an award.. It won't be a good award but probably one of those top ten dumb things people do awards. So far unless you plug the motherboard into a wall socket no one has bricked one. May think they have, but like I said before I doubt it..
And your right.. If it can be done, someone eventually will figure out how. And then we will all laugh at them.. At least I will

I finally got the G tablet tonight and...alright, don't flame me for this - but I don't see what all the complaints about the screen being horrendous or the device being molasses slow are about?
I don't know how people are trying to view it...but when looking at it or setting it on a stand to watch media, I'm not seeing any problem with the viewing angles. It's about the same as my laptop so I watch it the same way.
It's not even a 1/4 as slow as the stuff I've seen on Youtube or in some of the review videos I've seen around the net. I haven't gotten a single FC. Granted, I haven't put in a SD Card yet so maybe problems will start then?
I guess I should note, the very first thing I did was did a factory reset. Then I hooked it up to Wifi and got the 3053 update. I'm one of those who will be waiting for the 'official' update on the 24th.
I set up the time and date, restarted and everything works. I haven't installed flash yet (don't need it that much) and stuff that I DO want on there right now works fine (skype, pandora, fring, dropbox, evernote). I'm slowly figuring out a list of what I want/need from my Mytouch 4G to port to the VS GTab. Figure I don't really NEED Gtalk, Gmail on there because I have these on my phone AND PC - do I really want them making noises all around my home on 3 devices? I was concerned about getting the Google Apps on but now I'm finding I really don't need them. So it seems to me this will be a matter of learning to separate what I need on a tablet vs. my phone - I was of the mentality that I should just get whatever's on my phone on the tablet, this is something others apparently do as they seem to want everything that's on their phone, on their tablets as well.
I personally don't see the point in that. Had I had the Google Market, that would have escaped me as I'd have used Appbrain to just get my motherload of apps from the MT4G to the GTab. Not having it has slowed me, and now I get to re-evaluate before I do grab apps for it.
Now I just have to merge/convert my HTPC into a NAS device as well and find an app that will allow me to DLNA stream media from it and I'll be in mobile heaven.
I haven't had my wifi drop at all anywhere in my home and I've marched all over with it (I use full Wifi N, no G compat. so maybe my range is wider?). Tried email, etc. to replicate crashes and force closes but haven't so far. No surfing issues. I DID find that one app got 'stuck' being downloaded and I had to delete the file before the 'downloading' icon would go away, even after restart.
Maybe the trick to getting a workable GTab in the first place is to factory reset it before first use? Iunno. Things may change and issues may pop up the more I use it and as time passes - but so far, so good!
Again, I can't thank XDA enough for the advice and info. I've found and been given.

Sprdtyf350 said:
If you can figure out how to brick it you will probably get an award.. It won't be a good award but probably one of those top ten dumb things people do awards. So far unless you plug the motherboard into a wall socket no one has bricked one. May think they have, but like I said before I doubt it..
And your right.. If it can be done, someone eventually will figure out how. And then we will all laugh at them.. At least I will
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I figured it out. Accidentally hit one of the devkit nvflash .cabs and boom

Latest Stock OS Download Available

If someone could,
It would surely be nice to know where a stock user can d/load the Latest Stock version in Zip Format that we could load our devices with... Either for the SD Card, or for the External Sd Card. There are sooooo many "update" info that it's very hard (unless you KNOW exactly where to look) but if it is posted as LATEST Stock d/l, That would surely make things a whole lot easier, and eliminate guessing games for us dummies...
I'd recommend NOT MIXING UP the OSes as well... Keep the SPECIFIC VERSIONS Separate and identifiable with the same nomenclature for each.
Just my 2 cents here....

That is what the stock updater does...it goes and gets it for you.

Yes I have problems with mine, and the "goes and gets it for you" says you have the latest.... That's one whole hell of a lot of help!

bobolinko said:
Yes I have problems with mine, and the "goes and gets it for you" says you have the latest.... That's one whole hell of a lot of help!
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Then yours is the latest OR the VS OTA updater server is down. But in order to find the older ROM versions, the links are scattered in a few stickies, etc. For now, if you want the best stock rom, you want 3588, along with the gapps enhancement.
Here is a post that has the VS stock rom files too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842000

I heard reports that 4349 + data wipe = bricked. I'm seeing the same thing.
I could see them pulling 4349 for something this bad. Might explain why it disappeared on us this afternoon.
My guess, btw, is that there's something amiss in the ramdisk but I haven't tested it throughly.

Roe,
There is something wrong with the update. I can't explain it but I'm sure you'll find it
I would expected another update soon

I haven't had any time today to rip it apart - I haven't even compared it to 3991 (yet).
Going to do that over the weekend - just a heads up that today is probably the last day that I'm scanning this site heavily. This weekend I want to rip apart 4349, compare it with 3991 and see about the bugs (like the data wipe issue). If I can stabilize it, I'll still make a TwoTapsX 1.0 out of it.
As for TNT Lite 4.4.0 and gADAM 1.4.0, they will go into retired mode after this weekend - they will stay up here in XDA but I won't be developing them anymore. And the TwoTapsX .9 pre-release thread will also be retired and not developed further here. Again, I'm not permitted to link elsewhere, or so I've been told.

Remember the post from Adam about creating a developer area with them?
They do need help but don't know how to go about getting it without seeming having so many opportunities!
Or.......at least that is how it seemed.
He did ask what developers wanted or needed for a possible way to push the Gtab into the front of the tab race.

roebeet said:
I heard reports that 4349 + data wipe = bricked. I'm seeing the same thing.
I could see them pulling 4349 for something this bad. Might explain why it disappeared on us this afternoon.
My guess, btw, is that there's something amiss in the ramdisk but I haven't tested it throughly.
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I had to reinstall 4349 several times yesterday after experimenting getting the Market working, and I data wiped after reinstalling 4349 each time. Mine never bricked. JFI..

just lou said:
I had to reinstall 4349 several times yesterday after experimenting getting the Market working, and I data wiped after reinstalling 4349 each time. Mine never bricked. JFI..
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+1 mine didn't brick either.

Is my Samsung Infuse DEAD?

Hey, guys. Hoping some of you experts can help me diagnose what's wrong with my Samsung Infuse. I bought it off Craigslist at the end of May, and the guy had the phone with the original screen protector on it, with the original case and all accessories, so I had no reason to believe it had any problems. He told me the phone was already rooted & unlocked, which I wanted since I signed up with Straight Talk. I used it for June & July and had a host of problems, so I put on the CM10 ROM last week to see if it helped. It didn't. Here are the problems I continuously encounter:
1. When going to unlock my phone with a pattern, once in awhile it won't detect my finger-presses. Sometimes nothing shows up at all, sometimes one of the dots will highlight as I pass over it, but it won't draw. Eventually the screen turns off, and I turn it on and try it again. Usually it ends up working.
2. The battery dies much quicker than I expect it should. I tried running JuiceDefender and not running JuiceDefender, and it doesn't seem to make a difference. Even without using my phone much for anything, even with the screen off, the battery will run out before the day is out. It's like if you were driving and had a hole in your tire... seems like some sort of a leak.
3. The cell radio seems flaky. Sometimes I won't get texts on time. A lot of the time I can't access any data, which is very important as I use Google Voice for lots of my texting, so I send a text and it won't go out. Loading web pages or reloading my email shows that it is a data problem.
Those are the primary problems, and I suspect that somehow they are all related. I'm not sure if the Craigslist guy sold me a lemon, or there is some other problem that came up. I've tried multiple ROM's and disabling every app I can think of. Can anyone think of anything that would cause these problems & any way to fix it? Or do I just own a broke phone that I have to throw in the garbage?
Thanks in advance for reading!

a whole slew of problems can lead to a whole slew of possibilities for your issues.
first, i wasnt aware that you could do any of this on a straight talk phone, but i could be wrong. i am not the "expert" you may be looking or hoping for, though one i am sure will show up.
second, i think the response you may get is......did you go to JB straight from Gingerbread??? that will cause HUGE problems.
dd you read OP and follow to a tee??? again HUUUUGGEE problems.
the "never fail" here.....READ READ READ. feel confident as to what you are doing and follow steps one at a time. UNDERSTAND steps one at a time.
first thing that never hurts.....return to stock and start from scratch.
"super everything thread" under development.
Odin "stock-root & modded 3e rcovery.
follow all directions TO THE TTT.
if that doesnt work, you might have to get some mortar, you've got yourself a BRICK.
i know almost everyone else here is more of a expert than i am, but i do believe that is where they will tell you to start
good luck and be sure and thank the experts

captemo said:
first, i wasnt aware that you could do any of this on a straight talk phone, but i could be wrong. i am not the "expert" you may be looking or hoping for, though one i am sure will show up.
second, i think the response you may get is......did you go to JB straight from Gingerbread??? that will cause HUGE problems.
dd you read OP and follow to a tee??? again HUUUUGGEE problems.
first thing that never hurts.....return to stock and start from scratch.
"super everything thread" under development.
Odin "stock-root & modded 3e rcovery.
follow all directions TO THE TTT.
if that doesnt work, you might have to get some mortar, you've got yourself a BRICK.
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While I have no idea what you're getting at by your Straight Talk comment, as ST is little more than AT&T service that's sold through a 3rd party at a discounted rate, the fact that he's using ST may be part of his problems, at least in regards to the network issues. I'm also having an unbelievable amount of data issues on ST. ST is having some network problems that are affecting a decent amount of customers who are on their AT&T network.
One thing that the OP may want to try is this: Download DNS Changer from the Play Store, and change your primary and secondary DNS to OpenDNS1 and OpenDNS2. Or try different settings, as there are a bunch that are available. That has made at least some difference with my data connectivity issues.
Based on my own experience, having tried to go to JB directly from GB, is that if it's going to affect your radio, it's likely to completely wipe out your EFS data so you won't have ANY cellular or data networking capabilities. As stated, that's simply based on how it worked out for me, and there could easily be other side-effects that just didn't happen to show up for me.
I agree with returning completely to stock UCLB3, with the GB bootloaders. Then flash Entropy's 4.4.2012 Kernel, which will also install CWM Recovery. I'd personally reccomend Heimdall, as it seems to be somewhat simpler. Detailed information on returning to stock via Heimdall can be found in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1629079&highlight=heimdall+uclb3
If you use it, be sure to thank qkster for making it available. He's probably the most helpful person you're likely to find on this forum, especially where us noobs are concerned.

I would take it back to stock and start all over.
Here is a very helpful thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1700416

I agree with parrot head. When issues arise go back to stock. That's the best part of our phones. They are damn near impossible to really mess up. Just have to be ware of bootloader flash going wrong. If you got your gb rom from keis your good to go though.
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Appreciate the response, guys. I guess it doesn't hurt to try to start from scratch... AGAIN! It just seems like I'm putting an awful lot of hours into putting new ROM's and bootloaders on this phone. Going to be especially frustrating if I go through all the steps and it still doesn't fix my issues, which would mean my phone is broke. Oh well, guess I have little other choice.

All of the issues sound related..
It shouldn't take long to drop to stock and flash up to JB.. I've bobbled and missed steps here and there and have had to return from stock more times than I care to admit.. even rooting and flashing up the ladder only take about 20 minutes if even that..
Good luck!

drnecropolis said:
All of the issues sound related..
It shouldn't take long to drop to stock and flash up to JB.. I've bobbled and missed steps here and there and have had to return from stock more times than I care to admit.. even rooting and flashing up the ladder only take about 20 minutes if even that..
Good luck!
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Yes, the flashing process isn't that long, it's getting back my phone to all of my customized settings that ends up taking weeks. Home screen icon positioning, logging in to every app, system settings, etc.

Didn't create a backup?

drnecropolis said:
Didn't create a backup?
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I've always created backups with Titanium Backup, but when I restore the apps, a lot of them ask me to re-login or re-verify myself.

Thanks for the advice guys.
Spent a whole day going back to stock, then CWM red, then ICS, then Jellybean. Things seem to be markedly better, but the phone still seems laggy in a few places. Is this just because it's not the latest and greatest processor?
Also, the GPS just does not work right. It's still identifying me as being in Missouri even though I'm in Nevada. Consistently. Do I just have to live with that?

veeRob said:
Thanks for the advice guys.
Spent a whole day going back to stock, then CWM red, then ICS, then Jellybean. Things seem to be markedly better, but the phone still seems laggy in a few places. Is this just because it's not the latest and greatest processor?
Also, the GPS just does not work right. It's still identifying me as being in Missouri even though I'm in Nevada. Consistently. Do I just have to live with that?
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Are you still using the Trebuchet Launcher that comes built-in to the JB ROM? If so, that may be part of your lag problems. I just use ADW EX launcher. Here's an excerpt from the Paranoid Android JB OP:
******* EVERYONE: If you experience a sudden lag for no reason, IT is due to Trebuchet. GOOD NEWS though... From reading the log cat on my end, there is a very simple fix... Go to settings -Launcher - Homescreen - And Check "Resize any widget" and you are good to go! Instantly fixes the lag problem that a few have been experiencing. I have located the source code that needs to be changed and this will be enabled by default on future builds. ********
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As far as the GPS goes, I think Samsung just used ****ty receivers in the Infuse. My GPS isn't quite as bad as yours seems to be, but it's nowhere near as accurate or reliable as the GPS chipset in my crummy little Optimus V.

Viper 2.0.0 & 1.8.0 issues

Alright I am absolutely PI$$ED OFF. I installed 2.0.0 earlier this morning and I've been at it all day trying to fix all the stuff that "update" broke. Moment I installed it my wifi & camera ceased to function, moments later WhatsApp is crashing. So after trying to fix those issues I gave up and restored a backup back to 1.8.0 right? Well now my wifi and camera work but all of Googles bull**** is crashing (google play services, something else) and WhatsApp is still messed up. I installed a new copy of gapps and the google crashing is still persisting. WhatsApp I can't really do much about because I'm using an old number on it to prevent from giving people my new one and i don't want to lose that privilege. The only way I can even use my phone is by slowly getting to Titanium backup and freezing them all. I've wiped my /system, /cache and dalvik cache about 5 times and still no luck. I can't even begin to see how this could relate to my /data partition as I was sure to not let the 2.0.0 update touch it but if it is then please tell me cause I am so fed up right now that I'm ready to toss this phone into a wall then snap it in half and set it on fire.
(THIS IS ABOUT ViperROM)
What in the the Nar Shadda do I have to do to fix these phone wrecking issues? I just want to use the version I've been using for the past month or so again, honestly if I'd known I would have to deal with this much crap I never would've EVER installed this update.
Now on to a little less venting and to more explaining, I've had this wifi issue that I had on 2.0.0 back when I first switched to KitKat on my old Galaxy S4. The camera issue I have never experienced and none of the fixes fixed it except downgrading to 1.8.0, the camera would never display anything on the default camera app & when i downloaded googles camera it would say "Can't connect to camera". on the google apps topic i figured installing a new gapps would solve it but apparently i am wrong. Whatsapp issue i haven't the slightest clue.
Sounds like some sort of firmware problem to me.

S1L3nTShaDoWz said:
Alright I am absolutely PI$$ED OFF. I installed 2.0.0 earlier this morning and I've been at it all day trying to fix all the stuff that "update" broke. Moment I installed it my wifi & camera ceased to function, moments later WhatsApp is crashing. So after trying to fix those issues I gave up and restored a backup back to 1.8.0 right? Well now my wifi and camera work but all of Googles bull**** is crashing (google play services, something else) and WhatsApp is still messed up. I installed a new copy of gapps and the google crashing is still persisting. WhatsApp I can't really do much about because I'm using an old number on it to prevent from giving people my new one and i don't want to lose that privilege. The only way I can even use my phone is by slowly getting to Titanium backup and freezing them all. I've wiped my /system, /cache and dalvik cache about 5 times and still no luck. I can't even begin to see how this could relate to my /data partition as I was sure to not let the 2.0.0 update touch it but if it is then please tell me cause I am so fed up right now that I'm ready to toss this phone into a wall then snap it in half and set it on fire.
(THIS IS ABOUT ViperROM)
What in the the Nar Shadda do I have to do to fix these phone wrecking issues? I just want to use the version I've been using for the past month or so again, honestly if I'd known I would have to deal with this much crap I never would've EVER installed this update.
Now on to a little less venting and to more explaining, I've had this wifi issue that I had on 2.0.0 back when I first switched to KitKat on my old Galaxy S4. The camera issue I have never experienced and none of the fixes fixed it except downgrading to 1.8.0, the camera would never display anything on the default camera app & when i downloaded googles camera it would say "Can't connect to camera". on the google apps topic i figured installing a new gapps would solve it but apparently i am wrong. Whatsapp issue i haven't the slightest clue.
Sounds like some sort of firmware problem to me.
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First thing. Before you ever take a update... Have you ever heard of a nandroid...
Second. Did you check your md5?
Third. Actually try wiping your data partition... When switching ROMs or even doing a update to a ROM with a new version such as 4.4.3 from 4.4.2 it's smart to wipe data and everything except internal and external SD card.
Forth. Why did you install a new GAPPS? That WILL cause crashes...
Fifth. We don't have updated firmware for 4.4.3 with a 2.22 base. That will cause some issues. It's a given.
Sixth. Have you tried a clean flash of viper 2.0?
Seventh. Have you tried installing another ROM. If so did you have the issues there.
Sent From My HTC One M8 Running Insert Coin. S-OFF.

I agree with person above me...don't flash viper 2.0 till we have 4.4.4 firmware.
An why not flash stock recovery do a factory reset an then go one about your way with it back to out of box set up.

Tigerstown said:
I agree with person above me...don't flash viper 2.0 till we have 4.4.4 firmware.
An why not flash stock recovery do a factory reset an then go one about your way with it back to out of box set up.
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I didn't really read up too much on 4.4.3 other than it was a security patch I believe? & I considered that but I had tons of messages which I would lose that were important beyond what I'm willing to explain. In the end I said f*** it and just restored my 12 day old backup. Really the only thing stopping me from doing that is my WhatsApp account, I have it setup to use one of my old phone numbers so I never have to disclose real information when I want to give someone my WA. Losing that would mean giving a lot of people something I really don't want to give out...
Now onto the person above me and his idea of my Nandroid doings, yes I have some but I don't have the storage to keep making them everytime I flash something which is practically every week knowing me. & before someone tells me to quit being a lazy "idiot" I simply don't want to spend the time deleting my backups every month when I run out of storage, much un-needed inconvenience. Yup could put them on PC, too bad I'm also running out of storage there too. Could use cloud, no, not into putting my private information and files onto a highly vulnerable privacy invading idiotic creation. In before someone insults me for calling the cloud idiotic, yes it is. I stand by that and have no intents on replying to anyone that may bring that up.
Onto the /data topic, it shouldn't have even touched my data partition if it was just a mere "update". & just now I went and read up on 4.4.3/4.4.4 and the differences = Bug fix & Security update (4.4.4). Most ROM's I've seen actually tell you you don't have to wipe /data unless coming from another ROM, simply that it's better to do it. If it was really such a necessity it should've been stated or stated more seriously/obviously. If 2.0.0 was like Jellybean to Kitkat or Kitkat to Lollipop then yeah i'd understand. If someone with a higher knowledge would like to enlighten me as to why my /data was ruined from such a minor update then feel free to tell me (no more cocky responses after this please, civil only.). Maybe 4.4.2 to 4.4.3 really is a big deal and I just don't realize it & actually it could be the firmware thing the guy above mentioned could be a good reason for it but something I read tells me otherwise, just can't remember it at the moment.
Lastly just incase pball sees this again, for the lols that is.
1. No of course not, I did hear something about a Bandroid 2014 though. Heard it bans all the sarcastic insulting comments to OP's on the internet.
2. No.
3. Might try that if it's ever serious enough to require it. <3.
4. Because I was quite sure it would reinstall the google services, and if you install the correct version for your ROM/OS version I'm pretty sure it shouldn't cause any problems, could be wrong though. Anyways it was not the cause of my GServices crashing anyways.
5. Thanks for the info, I'll consider that next time.
6. Clean as in without wiping /data, yes. With wiping data, no.
7. Yes & the problem went away but I restored to my 12 day old backup of Viper anyways and it's solved now.
52998. Hello!
Anyways problem solved!
/case /closed

You can easily store text on cloud well factory reset. Just FYI. But glad your all set.

There is no correct version of gapps for the ViperOne ROMS. I usually only save the last two nandroid backups as long as everything seems to be working ok. If you want to save the older ones, well . . . . but you don't have the space on your pc. And sdcards are getting real cheap

S1L3nTShaDoWz said:
Lastly just incase pball sees this again, for the lols that is.
1. No of course not, I did hear something about a Bandroid 2014 though. Heard it bans all the sarcastic insulting comments to OP's on the internet.
2. No.
3. Might try that if it's ever serious enough to require it. <3.
4. Because I was quite sure it would reinstall the google services, and if you install the correct version for your ROM/OS version I'm pretty sure it shouldn't cause any problems, could be wrong though. Anyways it was not the cause of my GServices crashing anyways.
5. Thanks for the info, I'll consider that next time.
6. Clean as in without wiping /data, yes. With wiping data, no.
7. Yes & the problem went away but I restored to my 12 day old backup of Viper anyways and it's solved now.
52998. Hello!
Anyways problem solved!
/case /closed
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Hello, I am back. Just a suggestion in a civil manner. Could you try backing all of your apps up. Make a backup of what you have now, just incase something happens again.. Then, go in and flash the new viper 2.0 or 2.0.1 either or is fine. Please do a clean install. Meaning wipe your data partition. Not your internal SD card not external. In viper I know it gives the option to do a clean install. Please consider actually trying it and seeing the outcome. What's the worst it could do? As for the GAPPS. HTC uses there own personal GAPPS, so it might clash with let's say banks minimal GAPPS. It's not containing the same files and they may just clash with each other. Causing more crashes and instability than before. Somewhat make sense? Lastly, I wasn't trying to be "snarky" or "sarcastic". I may have came across that way, because the way the original post is stated sounds very problematic to some. I went through and listed all the things that could have gone wrong or been happening. Because a lot of ROM threads do mention clean installs with updates or new ROMs. I've seen lots of threads. "If you're having problems please wipe you data, cache, and dalvik cache partition or clean install the ROM again.
Tl;Dr actually try a clean install and check the md5 for matching numbers. A clean install can solve a lot of issues.
Sent From My HTC One M8 Running Insert Coin. S-OFF.

pball52998 said:
Hello, I am back. Just a suggestion in a civil manner. Could you try backing all of your apps up. Make a backup of what you have now, just incase something happens again.. Then, go in and flash the new viper 2.0 or 2.0.1 either or is fine. Please do a clean install. Meaning wipe your data partition. Not your internal SD card not external. In viper I know it gives the option to do a clean install. Please consider actually trying it and seeing the outcome. What's the worst it could do? As for the GAPPS. HTC uses there own personal GAPPS, so it might clash with let's say banks minimal GAPPS. It's not containing the same files and they may just clash with each other. Causing more crashes and instability than before. Somewhat make sense? Lastly, I wasn't trying to be "snarky" or "sarcastic". I may have came across that way, because the way the original post is stated sounds very problematic to some. I went through and listed all the things that could have gone wrong or been happening. Because a lot of ROM threads do mention clean installs with updates or new ROMs. I've seen lots of threads. "If you're having problems please wipe you data, cache, and dalvik cache partition or clean install the ROM again.
Tl;Dr actually try a clean install and check the md5 for matching numbers. A clean install can solve a lot of issues.
Sent From My HTC One M8 Running Insert Coin. S-OFF.
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Yes I'll back up the apps tomorrow, I used to do that with titanium and make a flashable zip but It rarely occurs to me to use Titanium anymore. Matter of fact 90% of the time I don't even realize I have it or it even exists. Last time I did it I did the wrong option which probably turned me off from it anyways soo I'll just have to pay attention this time.
I'll install 2.0 another day, too traumatized after my last experience to mess with it again LOL.
On the GAPPS topic yes it makes sense, I was unaware HTC had their own as it doesn't really say anywhere that they do or at least I haven't found anything stating such yet up until your response but yes it makes 100% sense.
& yeah I understand, I was quite frustrated and angry at the time and probably should've waited til I calmed down before originally posting this thread. Anyways my bad for even calling you out on that, I didn't originally plan to respond due to my natural urge to wanna retaliate when I feel I've been insulted, mocked or other words "attacked". Not literally attacked but you get what I'm saying, felt like I needed/wanted to be on the defensive. If that even makes sense, oh well.
Lastly, as to the "If you're having problems please wipe you data, cache, and dalvik cache partition or clean install the ROM again." I may have just skimmed over that and maybe just completely ignored the data part in my head. Having read so many I don't really bother to read anything other than the features and some other stuff anymore. I'd say what other stuff but I'm tired and can't think of it at the moment.
Anyways, thanks for trying to help even though my original post sounded like it was made by an idiotic jack***. How frustration & anger makes you change eh? & apologies for responding to what I thought was a "snarky & offensive" reply with attempt to try the same thing. Night!

My viperone 2.0 works just fine on my verizon m8 boot times are really slow but it works a lot smoother and faster with the update. I will deal with long boot times as its woth it to me, no other problems on mine.

Roefastford said:
My viperone 2.0 works just fine on my verizon m8 boot times are really slow but it works a lot smoother and faster with the update. I will deal with long boot times as its woth it to me, no other problems on mine.
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May I ask if you wiped your /data when you installed it? (clean installed)

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May I ask if you wiped your /data when you installed it? (clean installed)
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No I dirty flashed from 1.8 to 2.0.0 then I dirty flashed from 2.0.0 to 2.0.1 because the ota kept coming back corrupt download so I just flashed the full rom to get from 2.0.0 to 2.0.1

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There is no correct version of gapps for the ViperOne ROMS. I usually only save the last two nandroid backups as long as everything seems to be working ok. If you want to save the older ones, well . . . . but you don't have the space on your pc. And sdcards are getting real cheap
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SD cards cheap? Um buy a class 10 scandisk ultra 64g top of the line not cheap by any means it might cost you 70 bucks like mine did but well worth it. Viper ROM needs no gapps its a sense ROM so I'm confused with that.

Back To Stock On VS995 After A Couple Of Years Post-Dirty Santa - Couldn't Be Happier

I originally used the Dirty Santa routine on my Verizon VS995, so it remained on VS99513A for a couple of years. Had all manner of issues over time - apps "failing to respond", YouTube not displaying video but rather black screens, green-screen crashes, etc. Finally had enough and used the LGUP process to return to stock and unroot, of course. I probably (assuming, anyway) could have gone right to the latest Oreo firmware with LGUP, but decided to go to the stock version of VS99513A and then just do the many system updates to get current.
It's now happily sitting on Oreo, and knock on wood it's like having a new phone! It's so much smoother, YouTube is working, lol, battery life is an order of magnitude better and it's working like a phone should work. No one knows the future, of course, but today, I'm happy.
Just passing this along, but I've gone from being ready to trash this thing to being able to enjoy it again without worrying about having to dump some $$$ into something else.
I had originally rooted to get around the Verizon mobile-hotspot check, but I have an unlimited plan that includes it anyway, now, so that's no longer an issue.

Possible placebo effect...
A clean stock unrooted firmware may run smoother than a few custom roms, but not smoother than a rooted version of the exact same rom.
I wouldn't give up on root, even if the best ever unrootable phone was given to me for free (Ad-blocking being the primary reason)

Prowler_gr said:
Possible placebo effect...
A clean stock unrooted firmware may run smoother than a few custom roms, but not smoother than a rooted version of the exact same rom.
I wouldn't give up on root, even if the best ever unrootable phone was given to me for free (Ad-blocking being the primary reason)
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Blokada DNS changer. Also working without root. All problems gone. :good: for me the main reason for root is to prevent screen retention. The sucked soooo hart. If there would be an option without root I would also go with an unrooted stock fw.

Prowler_gr said:
Possible placebo effect...
A clean stock unrooted firmware may run smoother than a few custom roms, but not smoother than a rooted version of the exact same rom.
I wouldn't give up on root, even if the best ever unrootable phone was given to me for free (Ad-blocking being the primary reason)
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It's not even a close comparison in my case. Admittedly I'm on Oreo now and not the original Nougat the phone came with (and was rooted with), but it's literally a night and day difference. It wasn't just performance - it was extreme instability, apps that wouldn't work or would constantly go into "not responding" mode, green screens, battery life that was awful to the point where it nearly always needed to be connected to a charger, etc. I'd tap on an app or a function in an app before, and I'd literally have to wait and wait for something to happen at times.
Now? Lightning fast and smooth operation, stability where there was none before, etc. And, as stated, for what I really needed root before (bypassing vendor check for mobile hotspot), it's no longer an issue due to the phone plan I'm on.
I'm not knocking rooting, so don't misunderstand. But for my experience with this phone, going back to stock where I could actually update the version of the OS, as well, has made all the difference in the world for my user experience. YMMV.

Interesting... I haven't tried stock Oreo yet but in every time I flash a new stock rom the phone runs great for 6 months then starts lagging.

oooh meee TOOO! me! meeeee!
Heyitsrick said:
I originally used the Dirty Santa routine on my Verizon VS995, so it remained on VS99513A for a couple of years. Had all manner of issues over time - apps "failing to respond", YouTube not displaying video but rather black screens, green-screen crashes, etc. Finally had enough and used the LGUP process to return to stock and unroot, of course. I probably (assuming, anyway) could have gone right to the latest Oreo firmware with LGUP, but decided to go to the stock version of VS99513A and then just do the many system updates to get current.
It's now happily sitting on Oreo, and knock on wood it's like having a new phone! It's so much smoother, YouTube is working, lol, battery life is an order of magnitude better and it's working like a phone should work. No one knows the future, of course, but today, I'm happy.
Just passing this along, but I've gone from being ready to trash this thing to being able to enjoy it again without worrying about having to dump some $$$ into something else.
I had originally rooted to get around the Verizon mobile-hotspot check, but I have an unlimited plan that includes it anyway, now, so that's no longer an issue.
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Between the GIGANTIC pain in the ass that it was to root this phone (I have a VS995 rooted and on 13a ever since) and all the problems that rooting has caused I'd be ready to undo it all anyway. But due to some problem with internal storage* that started a couple weeks ago, I was fed-up and factory reset the phone. When it boots normally, a check in "about" shows the software status as "modified" but root checker says its not rooted, superSU can't find root (I installed it from play store).. Tried to update via the "system updates" in settings (could not get it to show developer options either).
* The storage issue: I have 50 gigs internal (or something similar) and I get a message that the storage is full and some apps may not work. Not possible, but I humored it and uninstalled everything, cleared cache, downloads cleared, etc ... still showing +/-1 gb free space avail. Factory reset, appears stock, but free space STILL less than 1 GB.
Regretted rooting this phone almost immediately since I still couldn't get rid of certain apps, I had to deal with the camera issues, etc... The only thing positive about it was that my work was unable to install their MDM crap (Mobile Iron shielding Gsuite etc). But anyway, it doesn't look like I'll be able to update the system - I tried it and now it boots to twrp, or boots regularly and then loops around to twrp again. I'm looking for the easiest way to get the phone working (with the persistent problem of internalstorage being full for no reason fixed) and at least reasonably updated. Don't care if it's rooted or not really.
Do you or does anyone have a link to a "play by play" for whatever might work? Its been too long since I rooted it for me to remember the nuances of the procedure so its safe to say that I don't really understand how Android works all that well, so instructions like, "flash xxx 3.2 then flash back to 2 then fastboot and load yer ROM but don't forget the dalvik blah blah" won't work... I'm looking for the idiot's version with hand-holding and everything.

Interesting analysis................ I mainly rooted my older phones due to the need for the mobile hotspot without paying VZ extra charges. However, now that I have the VS995, I was able to download and use the Foxfi app (I paid for the Pro upgrade license) so this left me thinking, do I really need to root my V20 at all? In the past, you couldn't run apps that ran many WIFI tools and other tech'y things, but it seems much of that has changed. I don't run custom ROMs so maybe I don't need to root. Would be glad to hear rebuttals on the subject

I received a new VS995 last week and I flash h910 to get FM radio. I could not be happier as I'm on OREO and the device is working perfectly without any issue whatsoever and with latest mk2000 kernel (2.2 beta) general interface performance is working very well - as it should. Hotspot needed a little workaround bit it wasn't too difficult. I wouldn't dream of going back to stock!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79939652&postcount=269
I know it's not straight to bootloader unlock and root this phone but it's worth the trouble. I hope my new fone will last and last untill manufactures change mind about removable batter and horrible new aspect ratio! No thanks V30 !

You're right.
There's no good reason to root the v20. Even rooted you can't do things that other phones can do, like enabling monitor mode on the Wi-Fi. Nor have I been able to get an external Wi-Fi adapter to work on it.

0per said:
There's no good reason to root the v20. Even rooted you can't do things that other phones can do, like enabling monitor mode on the Wi-Fi. Nor have I been able to get an external Wi-Fi adapter to work on it.
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YOU ARE WRONG.
AD BLOCK Yeah they have rootless ad block but they work like ****
screen burn fixes. hows the ghosting?
titanium backup still best option for absolutely all apps getting backed up.
Sorry i have run root too long i cant live without it anymore.

is this happening to just verizon version of LG V20? anyone?
is this happening to just verizon version of LG V20? anyone?