Hey, I want to root my GS6 but i'm not sure if it will trip the Knox counter or not. If I don't use a custom ROM with the root, I just keep using the one that it came with, will KNOX be tripped?
If you are on 5.1.1 or 6.0.1 you have to Trip Knox. I remember there is a engineering Bootloader somewhere which allows you to root without tripping Knox. But not sure about this.
1. Did anyone try KingRoot and found a working method?
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.
1) no
2) no one used it so they can't say what it does, if anything
Mystixor said:
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.
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Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
the_scotsman said:
Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
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Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Mystixor said:
Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
the_scotsman said:
Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
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Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Mystixor said:
Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system files.
The Knox security bombproof to the level that a physical fuse is blown inside the phone when Knox is tripped, meaning there is no way to un-trip Knox through software once it's been tripped. It's possible to fool the ROM to think that it's not tripped (like some S8 ported ROMs, to enable secure folder), but warranty can never be restored, as the Knox counter in download mode can't be tricked.
galaxyYtester said:
Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system.
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It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
skinza said:
It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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Yep, Knox is totally solid these days. Its impossible to not trip it when rooting. F*** it and root the phone anyway, if it breaks ill claim it on insurance not through warranty.
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galaxyYtester said:
That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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I didn't mean that, I meant that if you rooted with a method that worked through bootloader (Not kingoroot), you still could restore Knox to not tripped through root tools. Knox security used to be that simple to bypass, nowadays it's impossible to revert once tripped.
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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BereanPK said:
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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Root became possible on note 4 after a program to alter cid to dev version was released. Also because something was possible before shouldn't mean it's possible anymore as things are updated, common sense.
skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
the_scotsman said:
As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
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Definitely
Those days are over unless someone gets lucky,i know they wont though just wishful thinking
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
rk73 said:
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
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Both sides.
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Hey,
I tried some custom kernels but only Magisk make success fake knox 0x0.
I read that apps like Samsung Pay can easy recognise Magisk.
For now i have now only Magisk installed but Samsung Pay wont work.
Is possible to add to Stock Oreo ROM fake knox 0x0 without Magisk?
In resultat to have "Original STOCK ROM like before knox triped"
RE: Reset knox
Please note that there isn't a solid solution yet to reset knox. The best way is to change the motherboard or buy a new device instead. Since from Samsung Galaxy S5, samsung started influencing e-fuse technology to knox implement, knox reset isn't possible at all .
And you can find knox faked samsung firmware for your device in XDA. But even thou, you couldn't able to fake or make use on Samsung pay and Samsung pass. Those applications will verify both device status ( Custom binary or root privileges ) and knox status.
Hope this helps :laugh:
Device status is easy to make Oficial by changing sysscope, only fake knox is difficulter because of Magisk it is with root.
I wanted to try make full stock with only knox mod without root ;]
Wirusx said:
Device status is easy to make Oficial by changing sysscope, only fake knox is difficulter because of Magisk it is with root.
I wanted to try make full stock with only knox mod without root ;]
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You can't do it at all. The only way is to fake knox status by a custom kernel or modify the original kernel instead. But it's hard to modify / fake the original kernel to show knox 0x0. Because it has been encrypted and verify the original binary value in each boot. But you can give it a try..
Somehow on my S8+ with TWRP and custom ROM, KNOX isn't tripped unlike my S7 Edge. I've always thought that flashing custom recovery will trip KNOX. Any ideas why it isn't tripped? Mayby how to figure it out and reproduce?
Here's a screenshot from S8+
Some custom kernels will allow masking of Knox being tripped.
It is and apps that won't run with it tripped still will won't run. It is purely cosmetic...
did you try any other app to corroborate devcheck app finding?
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did you try any other app to corroborate devcheck app finding?
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I've just tried phone info Samsung from play store. Also reported as not tripped. Knox warranty void: 0x0
Can you recommend something else?
It could well be, as ultramag69 said earlier, that your custom rom is simply masking the fact that knox is in fact tripped. Try Secure Folder if it works
This is not a question for the Note 9 community.
To test, just try using something Knox related, like:
Secure Boot
Secure Folder
Samsung Pay
Samsung Pass
Could be related to SamFail but not sure.
willhemmens said:
This is not a question for the Note 9 community.
To test, just try using something Knox related, like:
Secure Boot
Secure Folder
Samsung Pay
Samsung Pass
Could be related to SamFail but not sure.
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Well if it would be reproducible I would root Note 9 so to me it was Note 9 related.
It's the ROM that is masking it as mentioned above :crying:
I was hoping sami f**** up