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As the title say do samsung service centers really bother to check the knox counter or probably do they really know what knox is or what "root" is? has anyone tried taking their phone with tripped knox counter to service center?
there have been many instances atleast in india where most of the service center people fix rooted/bricked phones for free as they dont even get to know phone is rooted or rather dont know what root is this is the true for atleast for lg and sony and samsung for old models!
so anyone here has tried or has any idea on it please post a reply!
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I heard that a tripped Knox counter in Europe doesn't affect the warranty. So European service centers shouldn't care. But not sure though. I didn't have to take my phone to a service center so far.
But for other countries I don't know.
Hi everyone, I've find these links on Italian blog about android, theoretically in Europe root is legit.
The 2nd link it's about European law of private use of things, smartphone it's a "thing" so there are any kind of problem.
If someone have something to report about warranty in Europe please reply.
Cheers
Link Samsung knox
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
Link Europe law
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...GQDnGyYvpJJDJ1!804705131?uri=CELEX:31999L0044
I doubt it. They can un-trip it any time and it's not like the software can permanently affect the hardware.
I've sent in LG, Sony, Nokia and Motorola phones which were modded or running non carrier roms and they all came back factory formatted.
bhavstech said:
As the title say do samsung service centers really bother to check the knox counter or probably do they really know what knox is or what "root" is? has anyone tried taking their phone with tripped knox counter to service center?
there have been many instances atleast in india where most of the service center people fix rooted/bricked phones for free as they dont even get to know phone is rooted or rather dont know what root is this is the true for atleast for lg and sony and samsung for old models!
so anyone here has tried or has any idea on it please post a reply!
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I spoke with a Samsung rep this weekend and asked about the Camera2 API and if he knew when it would be implemented in the S6. Event though I know of the API, he responded by starting to give the usual sales pitch about the S6 camera. I said I understood, and I love the camera, but it would be nice to have shutter control and RAW (even though I really don't have interest in either - I just wanted information). He said "I shouldn't recommend this, but there is a thing called "rooting" your phone..." and I interrupted and said "But that will trip Knox, disable Samsung Pay, and void the warranty, right?" He paused, probably confused that I knew since he's used to the general public (and I know NOTHING compared to most users in these forums), and said "Yes to all three. It does trip Knox and will disable Samsung Pay, and it will also void the hardware warranty. Samsung will still help with software issues, but not with hardware issues."
So, I may have come across the one rep that knows all this, but I'm certain that the service center guys absolutely know about Knox and root. what they will do, I don't know, but remember that they are in business to make a profit, and you rooting your phone gives them a legal "out" to not spend their time and money fixing a phone on which you voided the warranty.
But there are always exceptions and maybe you'll be the guy that slips through. (I'm never the guy that gets the breaks.)
DevonSloan said:
I spoke with a Samsung rep this weekend and asked about the Camera2 API and if he knew when it would be implemented in the S6. Event though I know of the API, he responded by starting to give the usual sales pitch about the S6 camera. I said I understood, and I love the camera, but it would be nice to have shutter control and RAW (even though I really don't have interest in either - I just wanted information). He said "I shouldn't recommend this, but there is a thing called "rooting" your phone..." and I interrupted and said "But that will trip Knox, disable Samsung Pay, and void the warranty, right?" He paused, probably confused that I knew since he's used to the general public (and I know NOTHING compared to most users in these forums), and said "Yes to all three. It does trip Knox and will disable Samsung Pay, and it will also void the hardware warranty. Samsung will still help with software issues, but not with hardware issues."
So, I may have come across the one rep that knows all this, but I'm certain that the service center guys absolutely know about Knox and root. what they will do, I don't know, but remember that they are in business to make a profit, and you rooting your phone gives them a legal "out" to not spend their time and money fixing a phone on which you voided the warranty.
But there are always exceptions and maybe you'll be the guy that slips through. (I'm never the guy that gets the breaks.)
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thanks for the info
Reading around this forum I've seen many different answers about the consequences of tripping Knox. Unfortunately, those answers are sometimes contradictary. So I'd like to create a thread with direct answers for me but also everyone else.
For instance, will it void your warranty? In most places, yes so might as well take for granted that it will.
Can it be reset? No, no matter who says what, it is NOT possible to reset it to 0x0.
Those are the answers I know. Now for the answers I'm still clueless about:
Once reverted to stock :
Will OTA's Work?
Will Samsung Pay work?
Will the fingerprint scanner work?
Will Samsung Pass work?
Other than the warranty, what will I lose?
While searching for the consequences of tripping Knox I've actually found claims about these (Samsung Pay, fingerprint scanner and whatnot).
Thanks for your help! :good:
What I can say about warrantee and this is pretty straight forward is, the guarantee is something the brands give only because they are obliged by consumer laws and regulations. If they could they would give it by any means.
Understanding this, is half way to understand why they can also refuse to guarantee and eventual hardware fault, for example, because they detected your phone was rooted. Nothing related with the problem, however brand can and will use these sort of excuses to not honour the guarantee.
Now, they can be as extreme or they cannot. It’s a Russian roulette so the question you should do, to yourself and not to anyone else, is:
“Am I fine to go ahead and accept any consequence resulting from my acts?”
Prosis said:
Reading around this forum I've seen many different answers about the consequences of tripping Knox. Unfortunately, those answers are sometimes contradictary. So I'd like to create a thread with direct answers for me but also everyone else.
For instance, will it void your warranty? In most places, yes so might as well take for granted that it will.
Can it be reset? No, no matter who says what, it is NOT possible to reset it to 0x0.
Those are the answers I know. Now for the answers I'm still clueless about:
Once reverted to stock :
Will OTA's Work?
Will Samsung Pay work?
Will the fingerprint scanner work?
Will Samsung Pass work?
Other than the warranty, what will I lose?
While searching for the consequences of tripping Knox I've actually found claims about these (Samsung Pay, fingerprint scanner and whatnot).
Thanks for your help! :good:
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Will OTA's Work?
Will Samsung Pay work?
Will the fingerprint scanner work?
Will Samsung Pass work?
Other than the warranty, what will I lose?
1. Yes
2. Don't think so with Nougat unless you upgrade from MM iirc
3. Yes
4. Not sure but haven't seen anyone saying that it doesn't
5. S. Health (Same as Samsung pay, if you upgrade from MM they still work afaik) possibly others I haven't remembered
Djuganight said:
What I can say about warrantee and this is pretty straight forward is, the guarantee is something the brands give only because they are obliged by consumer laws and regulations. If they could they would give it by any means.
Understanding this, is half way to understand why they can also refuse to guarantee and eventual hardware fault, for example, because they detected your phone was rooted. Nothing related with the problem, however brand can and will use these sort of excuses to not honour the guarantee.
Now, they can be as extreme or they cannot. It’s a Russian roulette so the question you should do, to yourself and not to anyone else, is:
“Am I fine to go ahead and accept any consequence resulting from my acts?”
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Yes but the point of this thread is to lay down what those consequences are. If I tell you "You can have a chocolate bar" you're probably going to accept it. If once you've eaten it I cut your hand off I can't turn around and tell you "By accepting my chocolate bar you were willing to accept the consequences". Samsung gives us a basis obviously with the warranty thing. But all the consequences are not necessarily known by all. That's what I want to list here so everyone knows.
*Detection* said:
Will OTA's Work?
Will Samsung Pay work?
Will the fingerprint scanner work?
Will Samsung Pass work?
Other than the warranty, what will I lose?
1. Yes
2. Don't think so with Nougat unless you upgrade from MM iirc
3. Yes
4. Not sure but haven't seen anyone saying that it doesn't
5. S. Health (Same as Samsung pay, if you upgrade from MM they still work afaik) possibly others I haven't remembered
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Nice! Thanks so much!
So before flashing LineageOS for instance, one has to make sure one is willing to never use most Samsung services again.
Prosis said:
Nice! Thanks so much!
So before flashing LineageOS for instance, one has to make sure one is willing to never use most Samsung services again.
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I think it's pretty much anything that uses 'My KNOX' that won't work once you trip 0x1 KNOX
What is My Knox exactly that is such a buggyman and casev of such concerns?
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What is My Knox exactly that is such a buggyman and casev of such concerns?
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http://bfy.tw/ArQ6
Very funny indeed....
S health is not working anymore even if you reflash to stock rom. Anyone tried downgrade it to below 5.0 with workａｂｌｅ one?
Hi mates,
I've unlocked the bootloader to root with magisk, but since this phone as lots of problems I would like to sell it, but how I can sell it with that stupid warning message about the bootloader unlocked.
I flashed the stock firmware but I saw that is it impossible to Re-Lock the bootloader or better I didn't find a way. (unlocking is so easy damn)
Is there anyone with a possible solution?
Just to be clear my Knox has been tripped 0x1 and I guess this will complicate the overall things.
thinking:
Just wondering why doing things so complex, it is just the root permission . i'm administrator of my laptop and nobody is worry about it even if I'm using bank application on it...So don't say it is for security reasons this is to frustrate people avoiding them to do their own business with a device they paid...
No words!!
thanks
Once your Knox has been tripped, you can't revert it.
The 0x1 you are reading is a hardware fuse that is physically blown. you can' "unblow" that fuse.
You are stuck with the warning screen forever.
That has been stated in all tutorials for unlocking bootloader with knox though.
thank for you reply.
I know about Knox state and e-fuse but I want to re-lock the bootloader not set know to 0x0 that is not possible..
Maybe there will be the warning forever but it is in Chinese and nobody understand it (ahahah) but locking back the bootloader should give me back Netflix on play store (if you sell the phone everybody wants Netflix imho) all the rests I don't care.
Hi, I got it and solve my problem, thanks to this guide
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79698366&postcount=44 .
Thanks to @robbo1947 for posting the solution for the S10 that is working also for the Note 10
Just for everyone information the boot warning disappear when you re-lock the bootload.
have good day
at least you should tell the seller about that situation, or I wish the seller will quickly figure out what you are doing and return the phone to you. To be honest, if I am the seller and I know you are hiding something, I will be pissed off. Never think you can escape from your cheating so easily. cheers.
It is not my intention to fraud anybody. I will sell the phone clearly specify the situation to the future buyer.
My intention was just putting the phone usable for a normal person that doesn't care about Knox 0x1 and the not working Samsung apps (pass, pay, secure folder).
I'm honest and I would avoid problems when I sell something, so don't be worry I will explain everything as I have always done!
However thanks for sharing your opinion that I 100% agree.
p3dr01978 said:
It is not my intention to fraud anybody. I will sell the phone clearly specify the situation to the future buyer.
My intention was just putting the phone usable for a normal person that doesn't care about Knox 0x1 and the not working Samsung apps (pass, pay, secure folder).
I'm honest and I would avoid problems when I sell something, so don't be worry I will explain everything as I have always done!
However thanks for sharing your opinion that I 100% agree.
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Personally, I think it good of you to share what you have accomplished. That is what forums like this were created in thr first place. I think the previous comment was an insult to your character and based on assumption with a warning. Whatever lol, I wil say honest is the best policy and a disclosure a must.
On a litter note, Dam you sure took a big risk on such an expensive phone.
I'm aware of risks and it was intentional doing root since I bought the n9700 snapdragon version in China and i'm European and I did it to unlock all the bands and aggregation available in the world .... it worked using QPST and QDXM but I discovered later that rooting was not needed ...my fault ...
if someone would like to understand how to unlock bands and aggregations let me know
Bye bye
p3dr01978 said:
I'm aware of risks and it was intentional doing root since I bought the n9700 snapdragon version in China and i'm European and I did it to unlock all the bands and aggregation available in the world .... it worked using QPST and QDXM but I discovered later that rooting was not needed ...my fault ...
if someone would like to understand how to unlock bands and aggregations let me know
Bye bye
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I would like this info....
I was just thinking to myself whether anyone has tried this.
Sent from my God Mode 8
louforgiveno said:
I would like this info....
I was just thinking to myself whether anyone has tried this.
Sent from my God Mode 8
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Yeah me too. I will be living in Jakarta and just picked up the Snapdrgon 10 plus from the USA unlocked. I know bands in use are different for each carrier and have tried the ×#*#4636#*#* with some success on an LG v30 rooted.
Hi,
I will write a specific guide. But it is tested only on the Note 10 - N9700 not any other version.
Give me few days to write it.
mayad79 said:
Yeah me too. I will be living in Jakarta and just picked up the Snapdrgon 10 plus from the USA unlocked. I know bands in use are different for each carrier and have tried the ×#*#4636#*#* with some success on an LG v30 rooted.
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I am considering buying the HK version of the Note 10+.
What were the problems that resulted in your decision to sell?
Hi
I decided to sell it due to the Samsung ecosystem itself. nothing specific I was curious of testing it with the s-pen but at the end I strongly prefer a more stock experience.
p3dr01978 said:
Hi
I decided to sell it due to the Samsung ecosystem itself. nothing specific I was curious of testing it with the s-pen but at the end I strongly prefer a more stock experience.
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Hopefully you'll make that guide up still, Please!
Sent from my God Mode 8
Yes I will,
But I'm a bit busy..be patience !
I wrote the guide here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ow-to-unlock-lte-bands-note-10-n9700-t3983257
I'm not responsabile for any damages
Let me know.
-P3dr0-
Hi all, it's my first post so please be gentle especially as it seems like a stupid question.
I've just bought a second hand S3 frontier so I've been looking around the internet for information, tips & tricks etc. and found this website.
I have heard the term rooting before and realise it's been going on for a long time on mobile devices but always wondered what are the pros & cons.
For the S3 for example is it something you have to do to put on your (or other people's) watch faces for example.
I am not that tech savvy to be honest and I would worry about bricking the device but if there are many advantages to doing it I would consider it.
Thanks in advance.
Can you tell us exact Model Name of your Gear S3 please?
SM-R760 or LTE Variants like SM-R765A or?
Best Regards
Hi, it's the SM-R760
You use Samsung Pay?
Or you wish to use Samsung Pay?
I am asking because I have killed Knox Warranty Void...
And somebody with SM-R805U or something like this told rooted device prevent Samsung Pay from working...
Best Regards
To be honest I have only just purchased the watch so I haven't set up or used that feature yet but it is something I will definitely want to use for the convenience factor.
IMHO good idea to play little bit with your new SM-R760...
If you miss something... you could ask here... if ROOT would "help" or something else allready available...
Best Regards
Hello, I am on the official rom. Since rooting Google pay and Samsung pass stopped working, I tried everything. Is there a ROM that could fix Samsung apps (they're nice for biometrics in banking apps)? Also Google pay isn't working which is a pain and a half.
Knox and it's evil micro efuse are at the core firmware/hardware level of these devices. It's a tough order to bypass them.
Some have gotten at least some of the functionality back. Some solutions used for specific apps or on older models may be helpful to you.
Try multiple google searches with XDA in the search parameters.
I tried googling but no luck
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I tried googling but no luck
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There are multiple threads about it here on XDA.
I run across them from time to time. I'm not rooted so they are only a curiosity to me.
Google search is probably the most effective way to find things on XDA. " your search, XDA" usually does the trick. Try different search words and phrases, keep it simple.
what should I try? Knox fix xda?
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what should I try? Knox fix xda?
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The specific app you're trying to fix, maybe rooted banking app fix. If I stumble across one of those threads I'll post a link. Hopefully someone else here will too.
Lol, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it. At least you're not staring at the blacktop/water from 30+ feet up
blackhawk said:
The specific app you're trying to fix, maybe rooted banking app fix. If I stumble across one of those threads I'll post a link. Hopefully someone else here will too.
Lol, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it. At least you're not staring at the blacktop/water from 30+ feet up
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Yeah I knew it, I am only having issues with Samsung pass and Google pay
Rooted With Working Samsung Pay
Is this even possible?
forum.xda-developers.com
from what I understand googel pay gives no buyer protection for anything for any reason with the exception for a very short time refund on apps purchased because it benifts them to lure people into using their payment for apps, but why would anyone be concerned or want to use this over any other cash app?
I don't know about spam pay although I would guess they are the same kinda people. I would root just to rid my phone if these soulless (if that's a word lol) corporations money apps