I knew it was to good to be true... watch this video explaining jump on demand. All you are doing is basically renting. A phone. You actually never pay off your phone. If you own your phone for 18. Technically you should of paid the phone off. Well guess what with jump on demand you have to give the phone back or pay 200$ WTF?.... WHY SHOULDNT YOU BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR PHONE IF YOU PAID THE BALANCE OF THE PHONE... i paid 400$ down and your telling me that in 18 months i have to pay extra 200$ a jote only comes every once a year..
https://youtu.be/qEUZYpO8__A
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Kind of pointless to have jump on demand if you aren't upgrading multiple times per year. If you are keeping the same phone for 18 months, better off without JOD.
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As a T-Mobile Sales Associate, I have to chime in here. Jump On Demand is the leasing program. It is not a feature. So there's no "taking it off", because you signed a financial agreement for a lease. Now, the other thing to realize is that the phones are the EXACT same price regardless of which program you finance them through (Jump on Demand vs EIP), the primary difference is that with the 18 month lease, you're paying roughly the same monthly as you would for a 24 month EIP. I say roughly, because the taxes aren't paid up front on a lease, they're put on your bill each month with your device payment. At the end of that 18 months, there's roughly 6 months worth of payments left. You may either trade the phone in, let the remainder of the balance of the phone go into your monthly bill that month, come in and pay it, OR we changed this last week, you may break it up into payments on your bill. Also, as for the money you put down up front, I presume you were less than well qualified, because since this program launched in June, I have found *NO* way as a rep to take an additional down payment on a leased device. Less than well-qualified have a required down payment amount, but there has not been any way to change that. So if you are well qualified, or have been a customer long enough to be well-qualified, then you may have EIP'd your device on the original JUMP program (1 or 2, depending), cause with those you put the taxes down up front. That depends on where you live, of course, here it's 7%, and 7% of $700 is $49.
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I knew it was to good to be true... watch this video explaining jump on demand. All you are doing is basically renting. A phone. You actually never pay off your phone. If you own your phone for 18. Technically you should of paid the phone off. Well guess what with jump on demand you have to give the phone back or pay 200$ WTF?.... WHY SHOULDNT YOU BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR PHONE IF YOU PAID THE BALANCE OF THE PHONE... i paid 400$ down and your telling me that in 18 months i have to pay extra 200$ a jote only comes every once a year..
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The total cost of the phone, plus tax, is divided by 24. That's what you pay monthly. If you own the phone for 18 months, you have not paid off the balance of the phone. You've paid the balance less 6 months. That 6 month balance becomes due, and you can own the phone. You don't pay anything more than the full balance.
Still, as many have said in other threads, the value of JOD is not for the person who keeps a phone for 18 months. It's for a person willing to continuously pay monthly to change phones 3 times a year.
I'm using the original Jump! with my Note 5. I did it with the Note 3, to Note 4, and now the Note 5. I don't plan on upgrading to a new phone before the next Note comes out, so I will have at least paid 50% of my balance to qualify for the next upgrade. And, if I choose not to upgrade to the next phone, I just keep paying the EIP and will own the phone when I'm done. At that point, I just keep the phone and start Jump again with a new phone when I'm ready to upgrade.
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The total cost of the phone, plus tax, is divided by 24. That's what you pay monthly. If you own the phone for 18 months, you have not paid off the balance of the phone. You've paid the balance less 6 months. That 6 month balance becomes due, and you can own the phone. You don't pay anything more than the full balance.
Still, as many have said in other threads, the value of JOD is not for the person who keeps a phone for 18 months. It's for a person willing to continuously pay monthly to change phones 3 times a year.
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And unfortunately, corporate T-Mo has been forcing us at the retail level to put all new activations on Jump on Demand, and want to get as many people as possible off of JUMP 2 when they upgrade. I think ultimately they'd prefer not to have 2 different financing programs, but I could be wrong. Just remember... Jump on Demand is a lease. There's no "extra cost" for it. JUMP is a feature, $10/mo, that includes PHP, and can be added to your account as an option to upgrade your phone sooner by trading in your old phone that is on EIP. That's the most simplistic way to explain it.
Yeah i will be calling tmbule i dont change phones 3 times a year
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Yeah i will be calling tmbule i dont change phones 3 times a year
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I wish you luck. There's no way to change financial programs. Without returning the phone you have and repurchasing a new phone.
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I wish you luck. There's no way to change financial programs. Without returning the phone you have and repurchasing a new phone.
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Im still under the 14 days return policy. Shouldn't be a problem...
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Im still under the 14 days return policy. Shouldn't be a problem...
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Okay. Just be ready for the $50 restocking fee. They're being particularly strict about these things. At least in our district, upper level management won't let our managers make an excuses for why to sell new JOD devices on EIP. People are getting slapped on the wrist over it.
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Okay. Just be ready for the $50 restocking fee. They're being particularly strict about these things. At least in our district, upper level management won't let our managers make an excuses for why to sell new JOD devices on EIP. People are getting slapped on the wrist over it.
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Conaumer is always right lol nah i go to ma boys store see if he can do something about it
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Conaumer is always right lol nah i go to ma boys store see if he can do something about it
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Let me know how it works out. Curious to see how other districts are doing it. I wasn't for the whole JOD thing when it was announced, but when they changed the terms to allow you to break up the remaining amount into payments, I realized it's really not any different than EIP. The fact that we "own" the phone during the term of the lease isn't anything to worry about. It's your phone once it's paid off. So just give it some thought, because I'm pretty convinced this is the way the phone payment programs are going. The benefit is that it's $0 up front on JOD. Plus, on T-Mobile, getting a Note 5 right now on Jump On Demand, you get a $4/month bill credit for the term of the lease. That's a $72 credit over 18 months toward the phone.
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Let me know how it works out. Curious to see how other districts are doing it. I wasn't for the whole JOD thing when it was announced, but when they changed the terms to allow you to break up the remaining amount into payments, I realized it's really not any different than EIP. The fact that we "own" the phone during the term of the lease isn't anything to worry about. It's your phone once it's paid off. So just give it some thought, because I'm pretty convinced this is the way the phone payment programs are going. The benefit is that it's $0 up front on JOD. Plus, on T-Mobile, getting a Note 5 right now on Jump On Demand, you get a $4/month bill credit for the term of the lease. That's a $72 credit over 18 months toward the phone.
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What!?.. i had to pay 380 down. And no one ever told me about no 4$ credit. If its 0 down why i paid 380$ down?
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What!?.. i had to pay 380 down. And no one ever told me about no 4$ credit. If its 0 down why i paid 380$ down?
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Probably because you weren't a "well qualified" customer?
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What!?.. i had to pay 380 down. And no one ever told me about no 4$ credit. If its 0 down why i paid 380$ down?
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With $380 down, that means your credit is lesser qualified. It's like financing a car, you put more down up front and the rest is broken up into monthly payments. Pay your T-Mobile bill on time each month for 12 months and you'll get $0 down after the 12th payment. Otherwise, it takes 3 years tenure to be well-qualified for $0 down.
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I knew it was to good to be true... watch this video explaining jump on demand. All you are doing is basically renting. A phone. You actually never pay off your phone. If you own your phone for 18. Technically you should of paid the phone off. Well guess what with jump on demand you have to give the phone back or pay 200$ WTF?.... WHY SHOULDNT YOU BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR PHONE IF YOU PAID THE BALANCE OF THE PHONE... i paid 400$ down and your telling me that in 18 months i have to pay extra 200$ a jote only comes every once a year..
https://youtu.be/qEUZYpO8__A
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And you can't get carrier unlock either.
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And you can't get carrier unlock either.
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With a code either from 3rd party?
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With a code either from 3rd party?
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As long as your phone has the stupid T-Mobile unlock app, then only the code from TMO will work. For Jump On Demand, TMO will not unlock it because it's a leased phone. People could keep pressing the unlock issue with TMO, but being a leased phone I would assume they would never unlock it no matter how much complaining. I was on JOD and I got out of that and went to regular jump.
Good luck, there gonna make you go into the store and talk to the mod, they said anything related to JOD is handled at the store level only and that they can't do anything even if they wanted to.
Of course they're not going to unlock the phone if you're still paying on it, because you don't fully own it. If you paid it off completely & owned the device outright, then I'm sure TMO would gladly unlock the phone.
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Not sure I agree with the charge but welcome to the true cost of the phones, without carrier subsidy, like the rest of the world does.
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wtf is the point of carrier subsidy, contracts, etc if they are gonna rape me for bull**** like these charges??
Is this for the mytouch or the g2x?
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Americans, for the most part, have absolutely no idea how money works and will happily pay huge monthly fees if it means a cheap piece of hardware.
A friend of mine told me flat out he will never pay more than a hundred dollars for a phone and yet gladly pays $90 per month. He, and millions of others, cannot fathom budgeting beyond a single month.
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I went through this same bull**** last week. I got my bill and saw that charge and called. I thought it was mislabeled shipping charges since the lady in the chat asked me if we wanted expedited shipping for the G2x for $20 or not and we declined. Sadly it was for replacing the phone. I even stated that I was clearly under warranty and thought the charge was inappropriate and that not even AT&T, my previous carrier up until 6 months ago, ever charged me for replacing phones under warranty. All to no avail, they don't really care.
I switched to T-Mo for the promise of excellent customer care and ever since moving to T-Mo and the G2x I haven't seen anything like that fabled customer care I've heard about.
I received two $20.00 charges and a $5.00 charge on my bill. It's complete bull. The phone was less than a month old!
So did they guy who swapped out ten phones under warranty pay $200.00 in these charges? LMFAO.
Kinda strange it says one time service charge then there are two charges of twenty bucks.
That sucks,
Doug
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well now i'm praying that my g2x is relatively bug free.... before the g2x i had the g1 and i've been through six of those phones. i've never ever had to pay a warranty fee, it must be new?
sux, I hope you guys don't pay for insurance too.
These things come with a 1 year manufacturer warranty.
If you didn't know that, I hope you will remember it and stop paying T-mobile(or any carrier) for bull****.
Pretty much any electronic device you buy has a 1 year manufacturers warranty.
So don't waste your money.
If you don't believe me, read your manuals!
well then what's the difference between asking for a replacement and getting it free as opposed to asking for a replacement and having to pay for it? i don't understand where these charges are coming from all of a sudden since i've never had to pay them before
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You pay 150 for a phone vice 500.
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it was for the mytouch. my G2x knock on wood is perfect (well, as perfect as CM7 can be i guess)
sadly, 3 hours of phone calls netted me nothing. i got phucked.
that insurance they keep pimping to me is also bull****. i dropped that after the first month when i learned that the rep lied out of his ass to sell me that **** in the store, and i made sure i got my money back for that. i got my 40 bucks back too as i refused to pay that fee.
of course the one rep that found the proper notations of some sort (or claimed to have seen it) i dropped the call or i got disconnected!!!! arrgh thats when the 10 phone calls in a row started trying to get an american rep!
oh yea, and that new IVR system they have now is really ****ty! want a rep, just say tech support, and it takes you to a regular care rep anyways so just ask for tech support when the dumb ***** asks you why you are calling. i had to call back 4 times just because that stupid computer slut kept cutting me off and hanging up on me when i asked for a human to speak to. they are really gearing up to lose that "top customer service/satisfaction" slot they supposedly hold.
third exchange, they offered me a mt4g slide as a replacement...cool, i said go for it ill take that deal. they sent me a mt4g like i have already. i called them on it today, saying hey you sent me the wrong device. they have no records of me getting a mt4g slide. they offered me a samsung galaxy 4g. i said no thanks, i was told i was getting a slide.
oh and 3 hours of calls was me waiting on hold to get an american rep, since tmo wants to outsource more often now!
i noticed this tho, if you get the option to have them call you back instead of waiting on hold, 1...dont do it because you wont get that call back, and 2....thats an american rep you will be waiting for on hold...all the times i got a out of country rep i never got the option to get the hold call back.
problem is, if you pay full retail you still need a contract unless you go prepaid. you go prepaid, you are treated like a third world hoodrat compared to a postpaid customer, who is treated like a second class citizen at best. so no matter what you get phucked where the sun dont shine regardless of what you do!
whatever, she is due for an upgrade in november anyway, so regardless ill get her a better phone no matter what. it would have been nice tho to get a 4g slide as it would have been worth more on fleabay down the road. ill sign my monkey contract to stick with their retarded collective asses and eventually pay $200 bucks to cancel, as ill get that money back by selling the device on ebay anyways so no major real loss here. i refuse to go to sprint, and verizon is expensive....ug i should have kept verizon from the get go.
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You pay 150 for a phone vice 500.
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i know that, i was being sarcastic
what does this mean.
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Americans, for the most part, have absolutely no idea how money works and will happily pay huge monthly fees if it means a cheap piece of hardware.
A friend of mine told me flat out he will never pay more than a hundred dollars for a phone and yet gladly pays $90 per month. He, and millions of others, cannot fathom budgeting beyond a single month.
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please explain what this means. although tmobile does have a cheaper rate if you dont buy the phone outright(not really even sure its cheaper unless you want the lowest service available) i know verizon doesnt dont believe att does either dont know about sprint.
but we dont have a choice but to pay for the service we need whatever they charge. we do have the ability to stand up and not pay money for fixes for phones sold broken. and i never paid a dime for my 2 replacements. nor would i.
Your post is not only insulting , it also makes no sense and has nothing to do with the thread. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think what he means is that americans only see half the cost. when they see a full retail cost of a phone at $500 bones, and can pay 1/5th of that or even less they think they got a deal but when you see all the fees and extra bull**** they silently tack on to your bill, we dont care because the phone which is the cool thing to have does tons of fart apps and the bill dont matter anymore.
Actually, TMO will give you a cheaper rate if you own the outright. They have what they call Value + which has lower rates I think.
If you have insurance on your phone they will only charge you 5 bucks and will overnight you a replacement. I also agree that the $20 charge is complete bs and I'm a Tmo employee lol.
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please explain what this means. although tmobile does have a cheaper rate if you dont buy the phone outright(not really even sure its cheaper unless you want the lowest service available) i know verizon doesnt dont believe att does either dont know about sprint.
but we dont have a choice but to pay for the service we need whatever they charge. we do have the ability to stand up and not pay money for fixes for phones sold broken. and i never paid a dime for my 2 replacements. nor would i.
Your post is not only insulting , it also makes no sense and has nothing to do with the thread. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually his post makes perfect sense. Problem is that T-Mobile is the only choice if you do want to make any use of high upfront cost/lower cost in the long-run vs little up-front cost/much high cost in the long-run that our society is prone for.
As for the plan not being cheaper... not so sure.
My regular plan:
120*24=2880
250 for two phones.
Total over the life of a contract: 3130.00
My value plan:
650 for two phones (100 for G2x, 150 for the Galaxy, plus 400 "conversion fee")
80*24=1920
Total over the life of a contract: 2570.00
Difference: 560
How's it not cheaper?
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If you have insurance on your phone they will only charge you 5 bucks and will overnight you a replacement. I also agree that the $20 charge is complete bs and I'm a Tmo employee lol.
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does this include the first year warranty? i've never had to pay for a replacement when i was in the first year and i've went through six g1s
I know T-Mobile let's you break up phone purchases on your monthly bill while still being on contract. Basically paying retail for the phone, but having bit split up.
Does Verizon do this?
Thanks
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I'm sure that you big red users would be all over this, but I seriously doubt it. If I can contact my friend who works for them I'll ask him.
Guess what I meant was installment payments for the phone so don't have to dish out $600 or $700 straight up
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Guess what I meant was installment payments for the phone so don't have to dish out $600 or $700 straight up
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I knew exactly what you meant, and responded as such. I really doubt they do. Really only way to find out is to call or go in a store and ask.
This kind of defeats the purpose of going to Verizon to me. They have such ridiculously high prices for their services, the least they can do is subsidize the phones you get. Making you pay for the phone plus their service charges would be insane.
I'm hoping you're looking for a replacement before the 2-year upgrade cycle. If that's the case, why not just put it on a credit card or similar ? For big purchases like this, you can often get no-interest financing - bam, broken up into monthly payments, or you can pay more and get it done faster.
One reason I see Verizon not offering this is because T-Mobile's plans like that are basically unsecured loans - so they have people just walk out on them without paying. They can block the IMEI, but I think it's a pretty bad business move but maybe it works out for them somehow.
They are having a sale for the Galaxy S4.
$99 for a 2-year plan of you can pay $5.99 a month.
http://www.squaretrade.com/samsung-galaxy-warranty
Read the fine print - $99 deductible makes your insurance policy worth a total of $200, or, exactly what you paid for the phone (unless you got it at Walmart or Best Buy with the Phone Freedom)
Yes, I know that you're locked in for another 2 years and all that good stuff, but if you don't have a way of getting another phone on contract at any time, you should start looking in to that instead.... My point is, if you break the phone tomorrow, it will cost you the same price as if you pulled it from an on contract plan, but if you break it two or three months from now, it will be cheaper to get another on contract phone because that price is variable and will certainly drop compared to the Square Trade price that is fixed....
I was a huge fan of ST back in the day, but their prices now are just outrageous! A good case costs a max of what, 60 bucks? Sounds smarter than $99 plus whatever you're planning on getting already to protect the outside of the phone!
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Read the fine print - $99 deductible makes your insurance policy worth a total of $200, or, exactly what you paid for the phone (unless you got it at Walmart or Best Buy with the Phone Freedom)
Yes, I know that you're locked in for another 2 years and all that good stuff, but if you don't have a way of getting another phone on contract at any time, you should start looking in to that instead.... My point is, if you break the phone tomorrow, it will cost you the same price as if you pulled it from an on contract plan, but if you break it two or three months from now, it will be cheaper to get another on contract phone because that price is variable and will certainly drop compared to the Square Trade price that is fixed....
I was a huge fan of ST back in the day, but their prices now are just outrageous! A good case costs a max of what, 60 bucks? Sounds smarter than $99 plus whatever you're planning on getting already to protect the outside of the phone!
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Dude, if you break the phone in 2 months it will cost 639 for a new one because presumably you won't have another upgrade to use...
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phositadc said:
Dude, if you break the phone in 2 months it will cost 639 for a new one because presumably you won't have another upgrade to use...
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OBVIOUSLY didn't read my entire post - please read before replying
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OBVIOUSLY didn't read my entire post - please read before replying
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I did read it, and your post seems to assume people just have unlimited upgrades laying around, which is false for the vast majority of us.
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I paid full price for mine $639 plus tax..
If you shatter the screen it's $99 to get it fixed with the insurance. Without insurance it's another $639 plus tax..
Sure you can add another line and get a new phone for $200.. Plus the added line of $10 a month, plus the added line smart phone data fee of $20 a month.. Adding another line will cost you $200 plus tax, plus $30 a month for 24 months..
Do the math over 2-years..
I will stick with Square Trade thank you very much..
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I did read it, and your post seems to assume people just have unlimited upgrades laying around, which is false for the vast majority of us.
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Then maybe you should look into that instead of wasting money on an intangible, inflated insurance policy! I have a finite amount of upgrades to use too, but at least I can get another phone quickly without having spent $99 for potentially no reason ahead of time....
If you sleep better at night because of this insurance policy, then great - I have guns and hope I never have to use them either, on a similar note, haha
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Then maybe you should look into that instead of wasting money on an intangible, inflated insurance policy! I have a finite amount of upgrades to use too, but at least I can get another phone quickly without having spent $99 for potentially no reason ahead of time....
If you sleep better at night because of this insurance policy, then great - I have guns and hope I never have to use them either, on a similar note, haha
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Yawn... Why do people continually post in a thread they don't care about?
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Yawn... Why do people continually post in a thread they don't care about?
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I do care about it, enough to offer a better suggestion to those who care to save some money, if my opinion isn't welcome, please let me know
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I do care about it, enough to offer a better suggestion to those who care to save some money, if my opinion isn't welcome, please let me know
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It's not a better suggestion.. It's a ridiculous suggestion IMHO..
Your idea:
$199 for a new line to replace broken phone.. $30 a month ($10 for added line and $20 for cheapest data plan) x 24 month contract = $720 plus the $199 for phone = $920 total cost..
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Full price phone $640
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Square trade plan $99 plus $99 deductible = $200
Ya your way is better!
Note that I did NOT say new line.... YOU said new line.... I have upgrades from other accounts to use, but then again, I think you're only reading / comprehending what you want, so I'm done trying to offer help if you're going to be the voice of XDA!
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Note that I did NOT say new line.... YOU said new line.... I have upgrades from other accounts to use, but then again, I think you're only reading / comprehending what you want, so I'm done trying to offer help if you're going to be the voice of XDA!
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Thanks for not wanting to *help* me understand how doing it your way will cost $920 and doing it the insurance way will cost $200..
Preciate that.. LOL
Also. I have a friend who went through 2 iPhones in a year because of shattered screens..
Doing it your way she would have spent $400 just for upgrades never mind the monthly cost associated with having 2 extra lines. Now we are talking $400 just for contract price phones. Add in the monthly add a line and data fees for 2 phones and for 2-years and your idea / plan is even more asinine..
With Square Trade she spent a total of $300..
Oh well... To each their own..
Heres a couple coupon codes if someone wants to save a few bucks on the plan $91 instead of $99.
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Note that I did NOT say new line.... YOU said new line.... I have upgrades from other accounts to use, but then again, I think you're only reading / comprehending what you want, so I'm done trying to offer help if you're going to be the voice of XDA!
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gotta admit, I do not understand your method either. Can oyu explain it better? thanks
Re-purchasing the phone using an upgrade on your current plan will cost you no less than the ~$199 (cost of the phone) + $240 ($10 a month for add'l line w/ blocked data * 24 month contract) and you switching phones from that line to your original number. This is well above the cost to get a replacement through SquareTrade.
OR, are you referring to taking another family members' upgrade and therefore simply subsidizing your cost by pushing it into the future?
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Re-purchasing the phone using an upgrade on your current plan will cost you no less than the ~$199 (cost of the phone) + $240 ($10 a month for add'l line w/ blocked data * 24 month contract) and you switching phones from that line to your original number. This is well above the cost to get a replacement through SquareTrade.
OR, are you referring to taking another family members' upgrade and therefore simply subsidizing your cost by pushing it into the future?
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I think he's assuming the latter. I think he is assuming everyone has dozens of upgrades to use...
coincidentally I do have 2 extra lines with upgrades since I pay for my parents lines and they stick to dumbphones.
Was $91 for me using a coupon off their Facebook page. YMMV.
Squaretrade is loads cheaper than AT&T's $6.99/mo with $199 deductible.
My service with them has always been stellar, even when I call to complain and moan and cancel plans.
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Was $91 for me using a coupon off their Facebook page. YMMV.
Squaretrade is loads cheaper than AT&T's $6.99/mo with $199 deductible.
My service with them has always been stellar, even when I call to complain and moan and cancel plans.
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Well one thing that the att covers is theft.
Honestly, you get a extended warranty if you purchase your phone with a premium credit card. They will also pay for anything the manufacturer doesn't want to cover. That's 2 years.
Google "credit card fixed sgs3 screen." a guy shares his story.
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SlimJ87D said:
Well one thing that the att covers is theft.
Honestly, you get a extended warranty if you purchase your phone with a premium credit card. They will also pay for anything the manufacturer doesn't want to cover. That's 2 years.
Google "credit card fixed sgs3 screen." a guy shares his story.
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You are right, ST doesn't cover theft. I didn't consider that.
I've never had a phone stolen (famous last words?) and that's because it is either in my hands or in my front pocket. I do this not only for theft reasons, but also for dropping reasons. Of the 27 smartphones I've owned in the last 3 years, I've only ever dropped one once.
The cost of the phone would be the least of my worries to a phone being stolen, honestly, I don't want some rando having copies of my music, pictures, and notes. Regardless of my having backups.
I will check out credit card coverage options, gotta put my 12 CC's to use somehow.
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You are right, ST doesn't cover theft. I didn't consider that.
I've never had a phone stolen (famous last words?) and that's because it is either in my hands or in my front pocket. I do this not only for theft reasons, but also for dropping reasons. Of the 27 smartphones I've owned in the last 3 years, I've only ever dropped one once.
The cost of the phone would be the least of my worries to a phone being stolen, honestly, I don't want some rando having copies of my music, pictures, and notes. Regardless of my having backups.
I will check out credit card coverage options, gotta put my 12 CC's to use somehow.
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http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewf...on-pays-to-fix-my-samsung-s3s-cracked-screen/
Here's a story. Just make sure you have a premium credit card. For Visa, they call it a signature visa card, it should say signature above the visa logo.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/16/att-next-upgrade-program/
AT&T:
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/next.html?sf15024656=1#fbid=PD71HEOU89k
Interesting...
Also... top comment on Engadget:
OK, so I work for ATT I'll just clarify this for you guys a little. This is what we reps have been told. Basically whatever the normal price plan is for the phone you add 1/20th of the phones price to that normal plan pricing. After 12 months minimum but before 20 months you can choose to trade in your old phone and get a new one. There are no down payments for either phone so there is that, you can get an iphone 5 64GB for no money down if you have good credit XD. BUT you would then pay an extra 40 some per month to make up for it. The average installments would be $20 with smartphones usually costing about 400 or more so after 12 months you would have paid $280 or more and if you sold your old phone you could buy a new one.
POINT: This is a blatant rip off, save up your money those months and sell the phone you save money, the price you pay for this simply gives ATT a larger profit, they will then resell the old phones you turn in which by the way have to be in perfect shape or there will be an additional charge for repairs. Anyone with sense will no do this.
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Oh and how this effect the unlock policy, currently any non iphone can be unlocked after 90 days of service in good standing. On this ATT NEXT plan you cannot unlock it until after the full 20 months.
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FAQ
What is AT&T Next?
AT&T offers you another choice for smartphone and tablet pricing. AT&T Next is a new way for you to get a new device every year. You have the choice after 12 monthly payments to trade it in for a new device or choose to keep it, and after 20 months, there are no more installment payments. No down payment, activation, upgrade, or financing fees are required — only sales tax on the device is due at time of purchase.
How can I take advantage of AT&T Next?
Visit att.com or a participating AT&T Company Owned Retail location to learn more about AT&T Next and to find out if you are eligible.
Are there additional charges?
Sales tax is charged on your new phone or tablet at the time of sale. There's no down payment and no activation fee.
Is a contract required with AT&T Next?
AT&T Next requires that you sign an installment agreement to pay for the device over 20 monthly payments. If you cancel your wireless service, the remaining unpaid balance on the device is due. A Wireless Customer Service Agreement (voice and data service) is required.
How many AT&T Next installment plans may I have on my account?
There's a limit of two per account.
What devices are eligible for AT&T Next?
At this time, customers can buy a smartphone or tablet with AT&T Next.
Do I own the device? Or is this a leasing offer?
The device is yours and you’re responsible for 20 monthly payments. You’re also responsible for any loss, theft, or damage to the device — both during the installment agreement period and after. We recommend you purchase the optional Mobile Insurance to protect your investment.
How do I get a new device every year with the program?
After your twelfth (12) installment payment, but before your twentieth (20) installment payment, if your wireless account is in good standing you may trade in the device. The device must be fully functional and in good physical condition. Select a new smartphone or tablet and a new 20-month agreement will start.
When I trade in my device after 12 months and get a new one, what is the length of my new installment plan?
When you trade in your device, no further installments are billed for the original device. You will start over with a new 20-month installment plan on your new device.
Will I be able to pay off this device early?
Yes, you have the option to pay off your installment agreement, but the full outstanding balance will be due immediately.
What payments are due if I cancel AT&T Next?
The full outstanding balance on your installment agreement becomes due.
What if I don't want to trade in my device after 12 months and I want to keep it?
You have the choice to either trade your phone in or keep your phone. If you keep it, after 20 months, it’s yours and no more installment payments are required.
What if my phone is damaged (e.g. cracked screen)? Can I still trade it in after 12 months?
Yes. However, we reserve the right to charge a fee to repair the device and return it to fully functional and good physical condition.
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This is a ripoff. Why is everyone trying to follow TMobile's BS? There's a reason why offer crap service.
I'm going to stick with my normal 2 year upgrades. AT&T has always offered me an early upgrade from 6 months-1year at the 2 year price. If that goes away and I have to put up with this BS, I'll be pissed.
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/16/att-next-upgrade-program/
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Interesting... I called this when T-mobile started this. It is almost better to pay full price for phones now... If you sell your current phone 300-450 and put the rest on a credit card you will still be saving money or just pay it up front. But the cancel at any time is pretty cool idea
But this may lead us to buy unlocked devices and not deal with locked bootloaders....
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This is a ripoff. Why is everyone trying to follow TMobile's BS? There's a reason why offer crap service.
I'm going to stick with my normal 2 year upgrades. AT&T has always offered me an early upgrade from 6 months-1year at the 2 year price. If that goes away and I have to put up with this BS, I'll be pissed.
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I am willing to bet that soon that will go away... Not sure how soon but eventually
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I am willing to bet that soon that will go away... Not sure how soon but eventually
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Yeah, this sucks. I might just start paying full price and sell the old phone. Much easier.
some quick calculations
S4 is $32/month. Would have paid $384 in a year.
If I just bought a Galaxy S4 for $629. I could sell it in a year for ~$400, so $229.
or
use your upgrade. $149 is what I spent on my Galaxy S4. Sell it for $450 in the Fall, pick up GNote3 on CL, etc. $500-550. Only out about ~$100-150. Sell GNote3 in the Spring for $450-500 for GS5.
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Yeah, this sucks. I might just start paying full price and sell the old phone. Much easier.
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same here, as I posted above... why not get the international unlocked version and be able to flash out of the box? Now with international phone having LTE I don't see a need to get carrier phones if it will cost us so much
joshuadjohnson22 said:
same here, as I posted above... why not get the international unlocked version and be able to flash out of the box? Now with international phone having LTE I don't see a need to get carrier phones if it will cost us so much
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I wonder if this also means that those early upgrades they used to give to iPhone owners are gone to. I have iPhones on the other lines on my family plan, so if I don't have an upgrade, I could bank on using one of those
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I wonder if this also means that those early upgrades they used to give to iPhone owners are gone to. I have iPhones on the other lines on my family plan, so if I don't have an upgrade, I could bank on using one of those
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I think those things will die off slowly. But I doubt it will be right away
I'm curious to see what else they talk about at their keynote.
I would really like them to do what US Cellular did. They brought back Unlimited Data, but it's ONLY valid for the 2 year contract length. After that, it's gone. If you try to break your contract, the ETF is $$$$. Let them charge $40/month for it. Still worth it over Sprint/TMobile, IMO
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I'm curious to see what else they talk about at their keynote.
I would really like them to do what US Cellular did. They brought back Unlimited Data, but it's ONLY valid for the 2 year contract length. After that, it's gone. If you try to break your contract, the ETF is $$$$. Let them charge $40/month for it. Still worth it over Sprint/TMobile, IMO
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It will be "Blah Blah Blah we want more of your money... Blah .... we will take it with force if we have to.... Blah .... what are you going to do about it... Blah Blah.... bend over and take it.... Blah I will be charging you a fee for listening to this keynote it will appear on your bill as a $10 Keynote charge... This will be added to your monthly bill to pay for future keynotes"
I think it's nice for it to be an option. Myself, I just buy out of contract if given a choice. It's nice to offer this and the traditional plan so some people who cant afford a phone outright can get one.
All the carriers new deals are all including trading in smartphones as of late. Usually you get ripped off as you can sell it yourself for more $. Selling my year and a half old iPhone 4S almost paid for my S4 in full out of contract..
20 month = same as unlocked upfront
12 month and upgrade to newer phone = 60% of cost one year lease... what a ripoff
Well it is AT&T
AT&T users better read the fine print before rejoicing. You’re still paying the same high monthly contract price for your no-contract plan. AT&T is double dipping into your wallet when those contract monthly plans has a subsidized phone calculated into them but you’re paying full price for the phone.
AT&T Mobile No Contract.
$70/m unlimited talk.
$20/m unlimted text.
$30/m 3GB data plan.
$32/m Samsung S4 monthly payment Next program.
+$10/m device insurance.
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$162
Compare with T-Mobile, and the price you pay for unlimited talk, text, and true unlimited, you’re just paying for the talk unlimited portion on AT&T. Not to mention, the insurance is built into the Tmo Jump program.
T-Mobile
$50/m unlimited talk/text.
$20/m unlimited data plan.
$20/m Samsung S4 monthly payment.
$10/m Jump program (includes premium device insurance).
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$100/m
I guess Att thinks we can't do simple math.
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This is the most telling story I've seen about it so far...
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff
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This is the most telling story I've seen about it so far...
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff
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We all needs to repost this. Att needs to know we are not going for this crap.
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We all needs to repost this. Att needs to know we are not going for this crap.
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Absolutely. Repost, Facebook, Tweet, Link, +1, etc. Maybe this will cause a Xbox One-like backlash.
What I hate the most is that the majority of the people on this forum are stuck with AT&T until 2015 :crying:
You guys do realize this is an OPTION right? They are not forcing you to take this deal. Verizon also has a deal starting like this one as well. At least att is not forcing those with unlimited data to lose it when they want an upgrade like big red does. Att has always given OPTIONS unlike other carriers who force things down your throat. Remember that when you start typing your rant about how att sucks.
Also when was anything perfect at launch? I'm sure as time goes on and voices are heard, this plan will get made to make more sense.
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While it is an option, for now at least, so many people will fall for this scheme. People like my iPhone loving mother who is persuaded by "as seen on TV" adds will probably fall for this no matter what I say. Or teenage girls who beg their parents for the latest and greatest.
All they have to say is "NEW DEVICE EVERY YEAR". That's it. People will be overjoyed and they will make billions. Only our small subset of users will actually do the math.
Yeah att is simply bartering...if your selling something at a garage sale you always start with a high price and slowly lower until you reach an agrrement...att wants to make as much money as possible so they will start high and hopefully lower to find a price they still make profit and that people will go for...and as stated this plan is only a choice, we arent being forced to use the next plan
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I have a $285 etf right now
Say I early upgrade to a s3 mini at $12/mo ($250 full price) with the next promo. I can just pay off the $250 and leave with no penalty? Cheaper than paying my etf and I can sell those phones as new because I wouldn't keep them.
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I picked mine up on March 25th and since I'm not due for an upgrade until this September I decided to purchase via the edge program. I'm still on the fence about the edge program and supposedly I have 6 more days to return the phone and cancel the edge upgrade. Anyone else get their M8 using Edge and if so what are your feelings about it? Also if anyone's been using Edge for a while now your input is appreciated too. Thanks!
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I've been using it since the m7 came out, no qualms with it. Raises your bill a bit. Got this on edge as well.
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Got mine on Edge. Was planning to buy it but when I added the 14.99 x12 +40 something initial it works out to me about 20 more overall. For me it was worth knowing I can turn my phone in after a year as I always want the newest phone.
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I've been using it since the m7 came out, no qualms with it. Raises your bill a bit. Got this on edge as well.
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My bill went down by 2 dollars by going with edge, so it's a win in my book. Did you get the 10 or 25(if over 10gigs) bill credit? That makes it a no brainer for me.
I had 8 GB of data they upped me to 10 and said my bill would be the same
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IMO, the edge is only good to get on if you are either getting a cheaper phone and want to stay off contract, really want to stay off contract with a more expensive phone and not have to pay the large off contract price up front, or you like to upgrade phones a lot and have the money to throw around for it.
For the M8, if they did it correctly, it would be like an extra 25 dollars a month for 2 years. It's supposed to be the off contract price broken out and financed basically over a 2 year period. You can upgrade at any time however, without renewing your contract by paying for at least half the cost off the phone and turning the phone in. Meaning for the M8, you'd have to pay at least 300 dollars totaly (either by 25 dollars a month or whatever the difference is between 300 and what you've paid so far when you want to upgrade).
Doesn't sound like a very good deal to me. But then again, I still have unlimited data If I was forced to give up my unlimited data for some reason, I might would consider the edge, but most likely I'd just buy an off contract more reasonable cost phone like a nexus line phone or something. The amount price of off contract phones is mostly ridiculous and way higher than they should be. These things could be sold for 300 - 350 dollars and the companies would still probably be making a profit, you can look at the Nexus 5 to tell that.
It really isn't a bad deal, you get a credit for $25 if on a 10gb or more plan, so your bill actually goes down just a little and you don't get locked in, I feel the edge program is a win win really
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It really isn't a bad deal, you get a credit for $25 if on a 10gb or more plan, so your bill actually goes down just a little and you don't get locked in, I feel the edge program is a win win really
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If you want out you have to pay off the phone and the etf... So, yeah... You're locked in.
M8, nuff said.
Well I guess I mean locked down for upgrades, (where I live Verizon is the only carrier that gets great service so in my eyes I will always be with them) but it's nice to be able to upgrade when you want
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How does it lock you in? My contract still expires this September.
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I'm on the fence about edge
I got the phone on edge cause I can't bring myself to spend $600 for a phone that I make less than 10 calls a month on. I use it more for music and occasional video, some ebook reading, little bit of web browsing, and once and a blue GPS. So the question was is my unlimited data worth $600 today? I use an average of 1.5 Gigs/month on edge the gave me 6 Gigs for the same price + $14 month for the phone financing. I paid $80 down on the phone. My thinking was; sooner or later VZW will just stop offering unlimited data to month to month users. So how would I feel if I spent $600 and in 2 months time I get a letter from VZW saying Unlimited data is no longer a service tier that they offer on a month to month basis. Now I have a phone that I cant take to another carrier(?) And I still don't have unlimited.
I'm still thinking about going back to the store before next week and switching back. I wonder if they will charge me a restocking fee, to switch me, meaning return my phone then do a new sale or will they just let me pay the difference of the retail price and my down payment?
I got edge program since my Bill overall at the end of the day is the same as it was every month on ATT. Basically pay the same every month with Verizon as I did on ATT but can upgrade my device every year (or sooner if I wanted personally) and again pay the same every month. Versus paying less a month and $199 or whatever phones cost and be locked in a few years on that device.
I don't know how it effects your contract ending... But edge actually extended mine
M8, nuff said.
If I check my contract end date it still says this September which means it didn't change since getting my M8 on edge
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My bill went down by 2 dollars by going with edge, so it's a win in my book. Did you get the 10 or 25(if over 10gigs) bill credit? That makes it a no brainer for me.
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I used Edge to get this phone. What's "Did you get the 10 or 25(if over 10gigs) bill credit?" mean..i don't remember anything like that??
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If I check my contract end date it still says this September which means it didn't change since getting my M8 on edge
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I need to go yell at someone then... Cuz mine went from ending in December of this year to March of 2016
M8, nuff said.
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I used Edge to get this phone. What's "Did you get the 10 or 25(if over 10gigs) bill credit?" mean..i don't remember anything like that??
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It's a promotion I believe that started around day 3 this device came out on Verizon. When in store I got $20/month credit. They said call customer service tomorrow and I will get $25/month credit a s long as I have Edge. I believe my Edge cost is about $25/month so with the $25/month credit it's like it's free and can upgrade whenever I want zero down. Win win, call customer service, was quick and easy, took 5min to enable this.
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It's a promotion I believe that started around day 3 this device came out on Verizon. When in store I got $20/month credit. They said call customer service tomorrow and I will get $25/month credit a s long as I have Edge. I believe my Edge cost is about $25/month so with the $25/month credit it's like it's free and can upgrade whenever I want zero down. Win win, call customer service, was quick and easy, took 5min to enable this.
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I got mine the day it came out and was bumped up from 8 GB to 10 GB for no cost supposedly.
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I got mine the day it came out and was bumped up from 8 GB to 10 GB for no cost supposedly.
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Yes I have 10gb plan shared with my wife. For some reason though store couldn't enable and said to call next day. Just figured it didn't start til next day? Did all this I believe the second day this device was released for Verizon.
Old news but I'll just leave this here. http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/18/4...hone-upgrade-plan-same-bad-ripoff-as-att-next