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What the hell is wrong with the memory (RAM) usage on this phone?

Even my desire with latest htc sense and gingerbread I had at least 100mb free ram. With this phone I barely have 50mb free, the phone is slow, skinned launcher pro is laggy and when I try to see which app is eating so much, android system is at the top with ~70mb of usage. If I add all the other apps there I can't even reach 200mb in total, where is the rest of 300MB?
I assumed that aosp ROMs should be smooth and without problems, but my HTC Sense was way much more responsive!

Dunno but I have at least 465mb free on my SGS2

psp888 said:
Dunno but I have at least 465mb free on my SGS2
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Well that is great, but not really a helpful response. Still, nice phone you got there.

I'm not running Launcher Pro (yet), but with stock launcher I've got 151mb free.
I'm so pleased with the performance of the stock launcher in GB that I was afraid to switch to LP.
With all of these things though, there are so many variables that your mileage will differ greatly from everyone else's based on the # of apps, widgets, etc.
But right now, mine's humming right along.

756MB free on my NS4G

Myself, and others on the NS4G have all agreed, launcher pro hates this phone and runs terrible.. ADW is my preferred choice now.

I'm running ADW Launcher EX on my NS with 2.3.4 and I usually have around 145mb free. Gingerbread seems to be handling system resources well on my device, I rarely experience any lag. Are you rooted? If so you could do a full wipe and reinstall gingerbread fresh. That may straighten things out for you.

Are we talking about the same things here?
RAM = running programs
vs program storage?
The NS4G has 300mb of RAM with 1GB of program storage.
My NS4G averages 150mb of free RAM and storage hovers around 750mb.

I have about 174MB free ram on stock 2.3.4 if that helps.
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I've got about 130 free with stock rom/launcher.
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I don't think its a problem with this phone specifically, I think it has to do with gingerbread itself. As you can see in my sig (have to update it these days) I'm coming from an HTC Desire and if I ran an AOSP gingerbread ROM I was having the exact same issue with launcher pro. But the RAM memory was not there, I had above 100mb free all the time. Desire has the same amount of RAM as NS.
The free RAM displayed in running services is not accurate, if you want to see ur free RAM download quick sytem info or system info widget.
Here's a pic with my usage without browser running (just closed it, otherwise I would've had less then 50mb free):

On my NS4G, running the OpenSoju rom, and Launcher Pro, it is running like butter:

I think Gingerbread runs more like Windows 7 does on the PC.. If there is free RAM, it's going to use it to make the OS more responsive.. If demand rises for app or game usage it should (in theory) start freeing up RAM to compensate.

Exploring this further, there is definitely some conflicts of usage depending on what you use to view RAM.
Gingerbreads app management tells me I have 136M free.. While a system info app tells me 77M available.

I killed every single app I could see in quick system info and reached almost 150 mb free (for real, not the usage u see in running services) and even then launcher pro is laggy. When going into sense-like preview (pinch to zoom out) and sometimes even scrolling through screens it feels laggy, its certainly not as responsive as it was with my HTC Sense ROM on the HTC Desire.
ADW also feels laggy.
And I can confirm that froyo works just fine, this is a screw-up from google. And their launcher sucks!
Edit: Ok I removed all the 4x4 widgets and the phone is now ok, it runs fine. Apparently if you have a lot of widgets running on several home screens it will lag. Again, on froyo there is no such problem
I will try MIUI today and report back.

if you have a problem with memory handling try searching ANDmemory in xda. its still in beta but it does a pretty good job.

styckx said:
Exploring this further, there is definitely some conflicts of usage depending on what you use to view RAM.
Gingerbreads app management tells me I have 136M free.. While a system info app tells me 77M available.
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Are you running a custom rom? I want that battery indicator.

djorijun said:
756MB free on my NS4G
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Talking about RAM not ROM

I limited to 3 screens for now, a main screen and 2 side ones filled with 2x2 launcher pro widgets. It feels much smoother now, but the RAM usage is still big.

psp888 said:
Dunno but I have at least 465mb free on my SGS2
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Then what are you doing in this forum dummy.

[Q] ram issue ??

i know this was discussed before but i'm asking now after months and weeks of usage
is the device affected by the small amount of avilable ram ????
does this small amount of memory lead to lagging or reboating ??
i m going to get the device soon so i m worried about that issue

I wouldnt say it has a "small" amount of memory, just less than others.
I would consider myself a moderate user, I learned on WM5 and up to 6.5 to keep my unused apps down and my memory clear so I have not run into any problems here.
I have seen a few very brief frame drops in a game while something is going on in the background but it was very minimal and did not detract from my joy of the device.
The built in task manager does not accurately read the available ram as the advanced settings does which can be mis leading. Cleaning out of lot of running processes clears up even more. Sense eats a fair amount but I personally like it.
This is my first main Android experience and it has been nothing but a pleasure so far. Again I am a moderate user tinkering with a new to me OS. I email a lot, text a lot, read RSS regularly and surf the web a little bit. The rest is with the apps. Things have always loaded quickly and so far not crashed.

It has enough RAM. I had a MyTouch 4G for 8 months and now the Sensation, both have 768MB of RAM and neither phone has slowed or froze at all. A lot of phones only have 512MB of RAM.

honestly, if you need a gig of ram, you're either a dev who needs the resources, or your desktop PC is as cluttered as your closet/garage and cant be bother to clean it

xdafun4all said:
does this small amount of memory lead to lagging or reboating ??
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what does "reboat" mean?

nccu_eagles said:
what does "reboat" mean?
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he means rebooting

People need to stop thinking of Android in terms of their Windows desktop or WinMo. It handles memory completely different. Android sees unused ram as a wasted resource. Android will free up more ram if it needs it. If you look in the notification area you may only see ~100mb free. Then look in the "running applications" tab under settings-applications and you may see well over 200mb available to android. That's because Android has cached about 100mb of data to make it readily available because Android knows there are some programs/processes you use a lot and by caching it in available ram you can access them quicker without slowdown. But this 100mb of pre-cached "stuff" android will kill if it needs additional ram. That's why it shows it as available in Android settings.
Take a look at the Pre-gingerbread running services menu, it actually used to spell out how much was unused and how much was in running services Android knows it can kill to free more memory if needed. A sign of your phone really running low on memory is if your phone has to re-launch Rosie every time you press the home screen. This happened a lot on early builds of Sense 3.0 on the G2 because the G2 just didn't have enough ram to run Sense 3.0. Your phone won't lag/stutter just because it's low on memory. In fact killing a lot of these pre-cached items will be the cause of your phone's apparent lag as your phone attempts to relaunch a process or service that you killed.
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thanks for reply , but in some videos i noticed that the device is too laggy !!!!
how can u explain this ????
i mean during multitasking like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfbXqJbXZQ

xdafun4all said:
thanks for reply , but in some videos i noticed that the device is too laggy !!!!
how can u explain this ????
i mean during multitasking like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfbXqJbXZQ
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Its early software. Wait for an OTA or for it to be rooted and CID unlocked and then you will be able to remove Sense.
If I can say one thing about HTC, they support their phones much longer than ANY other company out there - hell they're one of the first to provide GB on a launch device - and they are also excellent about maintaining their own software (ie, Sense - the bloat hog on any Android or WinMo 6.5 device - as anyone can tell you, Sense 2.0 took at least 75MB of RAM to run - 3.0 has to be worse) so you can rest assured that your device will definitely speed up one way or the other.

but dont u think after all that it is a problem that the desire hd had more free ram than the sensation
i hope it can be solved with an update as i cant immagine it without sense :S

Go to a store and play with the phone....it's that simple. Watching a YouTube video about the phone can be misleading you have no idea what type if settings the guy was using
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xdafun4all said:
but dont u think after all that it is a problem that the desire hd had more free ram than the sensation
i hope it can be solved with an update as i cant immagine it without sense :S
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I have 220MB of RAM free and I'm running Scruff, A4A Radar, and a number of other apps in the background. Looking at my G2x, with the same apps running and NO Sense, I have 148MB free and the Sensation is not lagging like the G2x is.

One XL Rogers LTE Ram size

Hi everyone,
According to XL Rogers specs, I might have 1 gig RAM but I only have 671 Mg.
Is it some king of Rogers limitation?
Can someone having a Rogers One XL release can confirm that?
Annoying because even with a few application in process, Sense is randomly restarting because, I think, of a lack of memory. It often happen right after using a browser for few minutes
Thanks!

I noticed that when looking at ATT One X
Would like to know as well. WTF..

i could be wrong but i think it's because the memory is shared with the gpu.

Weird because it shows 1Gig in parameters/hardware Info.
But still 671 in memory management and benchmark utilities...

That is normal. Some parts of the memory are reserved (for OS, GPU etc.) and are not accessible for all apps. For example, my Galaxy Nexus has 1GB RAM, but only "693 MB" is displayed under "about phone". That has always been the case for all Android phones, although how much of the memory is reserved differs between phones/ROMs.

tsekh501 said:
That is normal. Some parts of the memory are reserved (for OS, GPU etc.) and are not accessible for all apps. For example, my Galaxy Nexus has 1GB RAM, but only "693 MB" is displayed under "about phone". That has always been the case for all Android phones, although how much of the memory is reserved differs between phones/ROMs.
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I wonder why this always comes up when a new phone is released. When people buy a computer with 6 gigs of ram, do they get mad when Windows or OSX uses 2 of it?
It's the same concept here, but this always comes up.

If you run:
cat /proc/meminfo
That should give you all the physical memory available to Android.

Squeak22 said:
I wonder why this always comes up when a new phone is released. When people buy a computer with 6 gigs of ram, do they get mad when Windows or OSX uses 2 of it?
It's the same concept here, but this always comes up.
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It's not really the same concept, as that has to do with the 32-bit limitation. And yes, people did complaining a lot a few years ago when 4GB RAM started to become really affordable. People rarely complained about that these days, not because they finally understood the issue, but rather most computers are shipped with 64-bit OS now.

tsekh501 said:
It's not really the same concept, as that has to do with the 32-bit limitation. And yes, people did complaining a lot a few years ago when 4GB RAM started to become really affordable. People rarely complained about that these days, not because they finally understood the issue, but rather most computers are shipped with 64-bit OS now.
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/facepalm
When you load up task manager in windows, it shows how much free memory you have. The amount of free memory is NEVER what your total physical memory is. There is always about a third used for cached data, OS processes, and stupid widgets that you have running on the desktop.
Nowhere did I mention the 32bit limitation, that would be a valid issue.

Squeak22 said:
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When you load up task manager in windows, it shows how much free memory you have. The amount of free memory is NEVER what your total physical memory is. There is always about a third used for cached data, OS processes, and stupid widgets that you have running on the desktop.
Nowhere did I mention the 32bit limitation, that would be a valid issue.
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There's no need to be so rash. He does have a valid point.
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Whereas the task manager displays 672MB total memory (used+free):

danada said:
There's no need to be so rash. He does have a valid point.
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150ish meg for ramdisk and another 150ish meg for GPU. Explained away.
This is common on every phone that's ever come out for the last year + with 1 gigs of ram.

Squeak22 said:
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When you load up task manager in windows, it shows how much free memory you have. The amount of free memory is NEVER what your total physical memory is. There is always about a third used for cached data, OS processes, and stupid widgets that you have running on the desktop.
Nowhere did I mention the 32bit limitation, that would be a valid issue.
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That's free memory that you are talking about. Its total physical memory and I and OP were saying. My Windows 7 task manager always shows the actual total physical memory, and that wasn't the case with winxp before either sp2 or sp3 and tons of people whined about that on a daily basis.
The OP's question, however, concerns Android and it doesnt show the correct amount of physical memory on the phone. He is not saying "free memory", which is of course changing all the time depending on running apps.
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I am seeing a total of 970ish MB's on my international htc one x. Currently 709MB used and 267MB free.
I believe some of the RAM is reserved for the GPU and since there are different GPU's in the two models it is probably what makes up the difference in available RAM.

GS4 system image size !!!

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for real Samsung u managed to put 1GB more than Note2 and 1.3GB more than GS3
the 1GB more = more services + more Apps running in the memory = less free RAM = more lag
free RAM on GS4 VS Note 2
many apps opened in background with all features on
BTW GS4 have about 100MB more usable RAM than N2
GS4
NOTE 2

You're still luckier than me, since I live in China, my I9500 comes with a bunch of crap Chinese software embedded into the ROM that I can't remove. Also mine doesn't have Gapps, no Google Play, can't even add Google Account. Browser also doesn't have any trace of Google, no Chrome bookmarks sync, and search engine is Baidu or Bing.

Multitasking better be good on this phone. Free ram is wasted ram but I don't want it to be anything like the s3 in terms of memory management
Sent from the mind of Galactus

iHackMyMI said:
You're still luckier than me, since I live in China, my I9500 comes with a bunch of crap Chinese software embedded into the ROM that I can't remove. Also mine doesn't have Gapps, no Google Play, can't even add Google Account. Browser also doesn't have any trace of Google, no Chrome bookmarks sync, and search engine is Baidu or Bing.
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No way? So we're do you download your apps from? Can you download the play store?
type R-blood

Galactus said:
Multitasking better be good on this phone. Free ram is wasted ram but I don't want it to be anything like the s3 in terms of memory management
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Free RAM is not wasted
Free ram will be used to cache apps and running apps in the background
When the free ram become too low LMK will start kill apps
and im not sure how it compared to GS3 in real life but im hopping it wont be worse
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Actionx1 said:
No way? So we're do you download your apps from? Can you download the play store?
type R-blood
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Well, I install Google Services Framework apk, and installed Play Store. First time it won't open, so I tried another version, it opened, but says cannot connect. Looks like Chinese government/carriers have done more than just removing the Google apks from the ROM.

iHackMyMI said:
Well, I install Google Services Framework apk, and installed Play Store. First time it won't open, so I tried another version, it opened, but says cannot connect. Looks like Chinese government/carriers have done more than just removing the Google apks from the ROM.
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Have you tried to simply flash the gapps package?
Sent from my GT-I9300 using xda app-developers app

yahyoh said:
Free RAM is not wasted
Free ram will be used to cache apps and running apps in the background
When the free ram become too low LMK will start kill apps
and im not sure how it compared to GS3 in real life but im hopping it wont be worse
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I think what he meant is that free ram should be used up to help speed up apps. Instead of caching 64mb and dumping memory more often use up 128 to 256mb and let the app run wild, and when you're done android will either keep it cached, or dump it if another app is opened.

fade2green514 said:
I think what he meant is that free ram should be used up to help speed up apps. Instead of caching 64mb and dumping memory more often use up 128 to 256mb and let the app run wild, and when you're done android will either keep it cached, or dump it if another app is opened.
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This
No point in having 2gb of ram and only 500mb is used. The extra space can be used to cache apps you use frequently or will are more likely to use. However, its also foolish to have 2gb of ram, and the system is taking up around 1.52gb out of 1.82gb of usable ram. That leaves the user with 300mb of ram for their custom apps which is the same amount of ram I have left on my S3 before my custom apps are cached.
Once I've used it for around a day without a reboot, my free ram hits around 100mb with the LMK starting when the device gets to about 70mb. I want to be able to have a good few of my custom apps in memory without fear of them being kicked. I would also like to be able to quickly reply to a text mid-game and not worry about it being dumped the moment I switch away from it.
Based on the example above, I could load a bunch of apps into the note 2 whilst I'd be SOL on the S4

HMM in another forums someone got the Octa version and he said when all the features on with many background apps running used RAM about 1.25GB
and this with no features ( just auto rotation and smart stay and wifi ) :angel:

9Lukas5 said:
Have you tried to simply flash the gapps package?
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Yay! I successfully rooted using Cofface's CWM, and flashed Gapps! I also deleted all the bloatware using root uninstaller!

i have 9GB free on my new sprint s4. it's pretty pathetic that they just don't make 32gb standard model.. it wouldn't even be as bad if we were at least able to buy the 32gb..

tft said:
i have 9GB free on my new sprint s4. it's pretty pathetic that they just don't make 32gb standard model.. it wouldn't even be as bad if we were at least able to buy the 32gb..
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Thats why im going to cough up the 50 bucks for a 64gb sd card and leave the internal strictly for apps and such. Yes its another 50$ but the 32gb model is probably a lot more than that to upgrade if you ever find one

Shiftlock said:
Thats why im going to cough up the 50 bucks for a 64gb sd card and leave the internal strictly for apps and such. Yes its another 50$ but the 32gb model is probably a lot more than that to upgrade if you ever find one
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Indeed, but at least you wouldn't feel limited in the amount of apps you can install with a 32Gb model (which I'm waiting for).
With 9Gb free, I'd have to make a choice on what I want to install.
I already have about 10Gb worth of apps on my SIII after making a clean up, and I have almost no games installed currently.
My 64Gb microSD is used for pictures, videos taken by the camera as well as music, the occasional movies, iGo maps, ...
If you want to install bigger games, you'll quickly feel the limit (some games take 2-3 GB).
Well you can always use something like DirectoryBind to use the SD Card, but it really shouldn't be something you have to do on a flagship device.

How To Guide ***CLOSED*** Samsung: How to KEEP apps in the BACKGROUND!

Hey guys,
in case you are not happy with the default One UI apps background management, you can check this solution. In a nutshell, there is a Memory Guardian module part of Good Guardians, that allows the user to switch from default to the so called "quick switching mode" that somehow reduces the aggressive background app killing, i.e. app refresh.
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I have tested this with following apps:
- Spotify
- Mixcloud
- Instagram
- Snapchat
- Tiktok
- Youtube
Some other users tested this with Waze and other apps and it seems that it works.
What is the idea? Well imagine you are browsing through insta and you find a nice post that you d like to check, but then something else pops up and you switch to another app. Then after you are back to your app (in this case insta) One UI would "refresh" the app, meaning that it will reload it, and you will lose your "last state", i.e. imagine refreshing the app or close/opening it.
Download Samsung Good Guardians from the Store ► https://bit.ly/3yGFUms
Download Samsung Good Guardians for a manual install ► https://bit.ly/3yOehYD
It is also supposed to work with some of the heavy games, test it and let me know if you apps refresh is a bit better (i.e. not refreshed so much) or ... no difference at all.
I have tested this on my S22U with 12G of RAM but I guess it should have a better impact for 8 GB and lower RAM configs.

Appreciate the find!
I have 8gb version and apps are staying open much better now

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Appreciate the find!
I have 8gb version and apps are staying open much better now
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Nice to hear that! Can you let us know which apps did you test? Also - how much of VRAM (Virtual RAM) do you use?
I makes a bit of difference on my 12GB version so I assumed that it would be even better/bigger impact on 8GB and less.
Strangely enough this function is not very popular, was almost not able to find much info around. The whole Good Guardians tools are widely underestimated and they pack a few good tricks.
Thermal Guardian for example can let you adjust the thermal threshold of your phone, so it can potentially tolerate a bit more heat where battery life is exchanged for better peak performance and hopefully also sustained.

velqn said:
Hey guys,
in case you are not happy with the default One UI apps background management, you can check this solution. In a nutshell, there is a Memory Guardian module part of Good Guardians, that allows the user to switch from default to the so called "quick switching mode" that somehow reduces the aggressive background app killing, i.e. app refresh.
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I have tested this with following apps:
- Spotify
- Mixcloud
- Instagram
- Snapchat
- Tiktok
- Youtube
Some other users tested this with Waze and other apps and it seems that it works.
What is the idea? Well imagine you are browsing through insta and you find a nice post that you d like to check, but then something else pops up and you switch to another app. Then after you are back to your app (in this case insta) One UI would "refresh" the app, meaning that it will reload it, and you will lose your "last state", i.e. imagine refreshing the app or close/opening it.
Download Samsung Good Guardians from the Store ► https://bit.ly/3yGFUms
Download Samsung Good Guardians for a manual install ► https://bit.ly/3yOehYD
It is also supposed to work with some of the heavy games, test it and let me know if you apps refresh is a bit better (i.e. not refreshed so much) or ... no difference at all.
I have tested this on my S22U with 12G of RAM but I guess it should have a better impact for 8 GB and lower RAM configs.
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il try this thanks, HTRACK is always closing after 5 or more apps overtake it in the que

velqn said:
Nice to hear that! Can you let us know which apps did you test? Also - how much of VRAM (Virtual RAM) do you use?
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So...I just sort of excluded all apps for the most part to test. They stay in ram longer but still hit a point where they refresh. Using 8gb vram but haven't seen ram usage above 6gb or so yet

gav83collins said:
il try this thanks, HTRACK is always closing after 5 or more apps overtake it in the que
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Can HTRACK be further tweaked, perhaps from dev options? I remember seeing something for background processes, like a limitation factor setting.

billmurray1004 said:
So...I just sort of excluded all apps for the most part to test. They stay in ram longer but still hit a point where they refresh. Using 8gb vram but haven't seen ram usage above 6gb or so yet
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Yep, it`s not a silver bullet, but still some positive impact.

velqn said:
Can HTRACK be further tweaked, perhaps from dev options? I remember seeing something for background processes, like a limitation factor setting.
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Yeah there is but only upto 4 processes I sometimes have many any more apps open at once, anyway I'm trying it now and here are some screens if you wanna attach to op and il delete from this post once you add them
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update, i must say this app so far has seemed to keep my HTTrack running great in the background, it ha certainly made a difference, i did have it set "unrestricted" in the app settings/battery setting before and that didnt help, this app now works even with the app power settings set to "optimised"

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