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What the hell is wrong with the memory (RAM) usage on this phone?

Even my desire with latest htc sense and gingerbread I had at least 100mb free ram. With this phone I barely have 50mb free, the phone is slow, skinned launcher pro is laggy and when I try to see which app is eating so much, android system is at the top with ~70mb of usage. If I add all the other apps there I can't even reach 200mb in total, where is the rest of 300MB?
I assumed that aosp ROMs should be smooth and without problems, but my HTC Sense was way much more responsive!

Dunno but I have at least 465mb free on my SGS2

psp888 said:
Dunno but I have at least 465mb free on my SGS2
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Well that is great, but not really a helpful response. Still, nice phone you got there.

I'm not running Launcher Pro (yet), but with stock launcher I've got 151mb free.
I'm so pleased with the performance of the stock launcher in GB that I was afraid to switch to LP.
With all of these things though, there are so many variables that your mileage will differ greatly from everyone else's based on the # of apps, widgets, etc.
But right now, mine's humming right along.

756MB free on my NS4G

Myself, and others on the NS4G have all agreed, launcher pro hates this phone and runs terrible.. ADW is my preferred choice now.

I'm running ADW Launcher EX on my NS with 2.3.4 and I usually have around 145mb free. Gingerbread seems to be handling system resources well on my device, I rarely experience any lag. Are you rooted? If so you could do a full wipe and reinstall gingerbread fresh. That may straighten things out for you.

Are we talking about the same things here?
RAM = running programs
vs program storage?
The NS4G has 300mb of RAM with 1GB of program storage.
My NS4G averages 150mb of free RAM and storage hovers around 750mb.

I have about 174MB free ram on stock 2.3.4 if that helps.
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I've got about 130 free with stock rom/launcher.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App

I don't think its a problem with this phone specifically, I think it has to do with gingerbread itself. As you can see in my sig (have to update it these days) I'm coming from an HTC Desire and if I ran an AOSP gingerbread ROM I was having the exact same issue with launcher pro. But the RAM memory was not there, I had above 100mb free all the time. Desire has the same amount of RAM as NS.
The free RAM displayed in running services is not accurate, if you want to see ur free RAM download quick sytem info or system info widget.
Here's a pic with my usage without browser running (just closed it, otherwise I would've had less then 50mb free):

On my NS4G, running the OpenSoju rom, and Launcher Pro, it is running like butter:

I think Gingerbread runs more like Windows 7 does on the PC.. If there is free RAM, it's going to use it to make the OS more responsive.. If demand rises for app or game usage it should (in theory) start freeing up RAM to compensate.

Exploring this further, there is definitely some conflicts of usage depending on what you use to view RAM.
Gingerbreads app management tells me I have 136M free.. While a system info app tells me 77M available.

I killed every single app I could see in quick system info and reached almost 150 mb free (for real, not the usage u see in running services) and even then launcher pro is laggy. When going into sense-like preview (pinch to zoom out) and sometimes even scrolling through screens it feels laggy, its certainly not as responsive as it was with my HTC Sense ROM on the HTC Desire.
ADW also feels laggy.
And I can confirm that froyo works just fine, this is a screw-up from google. And their launcher sucks!
Edit: Ok I removed all the 4x4 widgets and the phone is now ok, it runs fine. Apparently if you have a lot of widgets running on several home screens it will lag. Again, on froyo there is no such problem
I will try MIUI today and report back.

if you have a problem with memory handling try searching ANDmemory in xda. its still in beta but it does a pretty good job.

styckx said:
Exploring this further, there is definitely some conflicts of usage depending on what you use to view RAM.
Gingerbreads app management tells me I have 136M free.. While a system info app tells me 77M available.
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Are you running a custom rom? I want that battery indicator.

djorijun said:
756MB free on my NS4G
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Talking about RAM not ROM

I limited to 3 screens for now, a main screen and 2 side ones filled with 2x2 launcher pro widgets. It feels much smoother now, but the RAM usage is still big.

psp888 said:
Dunno but I have at least 465mb free on my SGS2
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Then what are you doing in this forum dummy.

[Q] ram issue ??

i know this was discussed before but i'm asking now after months and weeks of usage
is the device affected by the small amount of avilable ram ????
does this small amount of memory lead to lagging or reboating ??
i m going to get the device soon so i m worried about that issue

I wouldnt say it has a "small" amount of memory, just less than others.
I would consider myself a moderate user, I learned on WM5 and up to 6.5 to keep my unused apps down and my memory clear so I have not run into any problems here.
I have seen a few very brief frame drops in a game while something is going on in the background but it was very minimal and did not detract from my joy of the device.
The built in task manager does not accurately read the available ram as the advanced settings does which can be mis leading. Cleaning out of lot of running processes clears up even more. Sense eats a fair amount but I personally like it.
This is my first main Android experience and it has been nothing but a pleasure so far. Again I am a moderate user tinkering with a new to me OS. I email a lot, text a lot, read RSS regularly and surf the web a little bit. The rest is with the apps. Things have always loaded quickly and so far not crashed.

It has enough RAM. I had a MyTouch 4G for 8 months and now the Sensation, both have 768MB of RAM and neither phone has slowed or froze at all. A lot of phones only have 512MB of RAM.

honestly, if you need a gig of ram, you're either a dev who needs the resources, or your desktop PC is as cluttered as your closet/garage and cant be bother to clean it

xdafun4all said:
does this small amount of memory lead to lagging or reboating ??
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what does "reboat" mean?

nccu_eagles said:
what does "reboat" mean?
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he means rebooting

People need to stop thinking of Android in terms of their Windows desktop or WinMo. It handles memory completely different. Android sees unused ram as a wasted resource. Android will free up more ram if it needs it. If you look in the notification area you may only see ~100mb free. Then look in the "running applications" tab under settings-applications and you may see well over 200mb available to android. That's because Android has cached about 100mb of data to make it readily available because Android knows there are some programs/processes you use a lot and by caching it in available ram you can access them quicker without slowdown. But this 100mb of pre-cached "stuff" android will kill if it needs additional ram. That's why it shows it as available in Android settings.
Take a look at the Pre-gingerbread running services menu, it actually used to spell out how much was unused and how much was in running services Android knows it can kill to free more memory if needed. A sign of your phone really running low on memory is if your phone has to re-launch Rosie every time you press the home screen. This happened a lot on early builds of Sense 3.0 on the G2 because the G2 just didn't have enough ram to run Sense 3.0. Your phone won't lag/stutter just because it's low on memory. In fact killing a lot of these pre-cached items will be the cause of your phone's apparent lag as your phone attempts to relaunch a process or service that you killed.
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thanks for reply , but in some videos i noticed that the device is too laggy !!!!
how can u explain this ????
i mean during multitasking like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfbXqJbXZQ

xdafun4all said:
thanks for reply , but in some videos i noticed that the device is too laggy !!!!
how can u explain this ????
i mean during multitasking like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfbXqJbXZQ
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Its early software. Wait for an OTA or for it to be rooted and CID unlocked and then you will be able to remove Sense.
If I can say one thing about HTC, they support their phones much longer than ANY other company out there - hell they're one of the first to provide GB on a launch device - and they are also excellent about maintaining their own software (ie, Sense - the bloat hog on any Android or WinMo 6.5 device - as anyone can tell you, Sense 2.0 took at least 75MB of RAM to run - 3.0 has to be worse) so you can rest assured that your device will definitely speed up one way or the other.

but dont u think after all that it is a problem that the desire hd had more free ram than the sensation
i hope it can be solved with an update as i cant immagine it without sense :S

Go to a store and play with the phone....it's that simple. Watching a YouTube video about the phone can be misleading you have no idea what type if settings the guy was using
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

xdafun4all said:
but dont u think after all that it is a problem that the desire hd had more free ram than the sensation
i hope it can be solved with an update as i cant immagine it without sense :S
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I have 220MB of RAM free and I'm running Scruff, A4A Radar, and a number of other apps in the background. Looking at my G2x, with the same apps running and NO Sense, I have 148MB free and the Sensation is not lagging like the G2x is.

Missing RAM?

Hey guys,
I just got my brand new Nexus S yesterday from a Mobilicity store, and I just noticed that after using it for a day, in the Application Settings --> Running Services menu in system preferences, it says that I have used 179 MB used and 116 MB free, that only equates to 295 MB of total RAM. I thought this phone had 512 MB of RAM installed ... what happened to the rest of my RAM ?
Does Android reserve like 200+ MB of RAM for the OS itself ? Personally I disabled the Live Wallpaper as it eats up resources.
Software I do have running in the background right now are: RealPlayer, Trillian, LiveProfile, Skype, Maps, Swype.
Thanks,
deltatux

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Does Android reserve like 200+ MB of RAM for the OS itself ? Personally I disabled the Live Wallpaper as it eats up resources.
deltatux
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Yes it does, that's normal for OS based phones...i think you prolly have more programs running because the best amount of ram to have is around 200...

shad0wboss said:
Yes it does, that's normal for OS based phones...i think you prolly have more programs running because the best amount of ram to have is around 200...
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I think they should have a much better memory displayer ... like in KInfo on KDE which lists, free, reserved and used.
Without that, I was like, wtf happened to my 512 MB RAM? lol.
Thanks,
deltatux

get a terminal emulator app. Type in "free"

asb123 said:
get a terminal emulator app. Type in "free"
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Any suggestions on good ones, there's like a billion of them on the Android Market.
Thanks,
deltatux

deltatux said:
I think they should have a much better memory displayer ... like in KInfo on KDE which lists, free, reserved and used.
Without that, I was like, wtf happened to my 512 MB RAM? lol.
Thanks,
deltatux
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go to the main phone settings, applications, manage applications, running.. its the native/stock task manager.
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go to the main phone settings, applications, manage applications, running.. its the native/stock task manager.
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Ye I was originally quoting that screen but the main issue is that I believe that its memory manager should show total free, total used and reserved spaces than just listing what isn't reserved.
Personally I thought my dealer shorted me out by selling me one with less than 512 MB RAM, then I came up with the possibility that it's just OS reserved which has now been confirmed.
If I was not very tech savvy I would have gone back and say, wtf happened to the rest of my memory? It could have been shown better or had an advanced view.
deltatux

deltatux said:
Ye I was originally quoting that screen but the main issue is that I believe that its memory manager should show total free, total used and reserved spaces than just listing what isn't reserved.
Personally I thought my dealer shorted me out by selling me one with less than 512 MB RAM, then I came up with the possibility that it's just OS reserved which has now been confirmed.
If I was not very tech savvy I would have gone back and say, wtf happened to the rest of my memory? It could have been shown better or had an advanced view.
deltatux
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look at the bottom of that screen, it does show free ram vs used ram.
also, a lot of ram goes into nfc, not just the os. ive been with the ns since the first week of the year, and i havent had any issues with not having enough ram. also, theres an app called free memory manager(by angry squirrel) that you can use to set the native task killer, so that youll have more free ram more often. here are my settings at the moment, they are very aggressive..

simms22 said:
look at the bottom of that screen, it does show free ram vs used ram.
also, a lot of ram goes into nfc, not just the os. ive been with the ns since the first week of the year, and i havent had any issues with not having enough ram. also, theres an app called free memory manager(by angry squirrel) that you can use to set the native task killer, so that youll have more free ram more often. here are my settings at the moment, they are very aggressive..
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I can't seem to find that app on the Android Market... any links to what you're talking about?
deltatux

deltatux said:
I can't seem to find that app on the Android Market... any links to what you're talking about?
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it shows up on my market. heres the direct link https://market.android.com/details?id=com.lim.android.automemman
if in the market app it shows not found, try the link in the desktop browser.

Wondering why the S6 can't hold apps in its memory?

Well, if you have wondered why, I think I may have the answer.
Samsung made a claim that the new Touchwiz is stripped down and optimised for better performance, well, they LIED. True optimisation isn't easy, but another manufacturer did it - HTC. Below are the two screenshots of the respective "Running" app section of the settings and see the difference? 1500MB vs 355MB. 5 times more.
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My S6 is running the latest version of Touchwiz, COGA, and the M8 is running a lollipop custom ROM ported from the M9 (sort of). I sincerely hope Samsung will fix this issue, as even the 4GB RAM Note 5 and Edge Plus are also experiencing app shutdowns. What are your experiences? If you have a solution, please share. Thanks!

Agressive memory management and Sh*twiz cached in RAM causing this. Some custom kernels are better than stock, but no fix as of now.

8GB ram is a must for TouchWiz

Again:
the workload of the ram is not the problem!
I'm running a very stripped down TW rom and I never reach a full ram. I am around 80%. The Problem is that the system is killing processes to early, even if the ram is far away from being full. That would happen with any amount of ram.
Yes Samsung should fix this or should have already fixed that issue.

Yeah it f*cking sucks. It's rendering my g watch unusable since it's aways killing the wear app

they didn't do nothing to optimize its almost the only software to eat all the ram.. it was always like this, and now in the s6 it reloads apps.... normal..i had an s3, s4 and now s6, you can have 3 apps in background nothing more....

XxM4tzexX said:
Again:
the workload of the ram is not the problem!
I'm running a very stripped down TW rom and I never reach a full ram. I am around 80%. The Problem is that the system is killing processes to early, even if the ram is far away from being full. That would happen with any amount of ram.
Yes Samsung should fix this or should have already fixed that issue.
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yes, this ram freeing by killing apps is somehow intentional

According to the samsungmobileuk twitter person there is no issue!
I even sent them video demonstrations. The s6 cannot multi task as well as a 3 year old nexus 4 with less memory.

In my s6 applications running in the background, and it does not kill them
but my Ram is 75% all the time..

There is no reason for RAM to stay empty. It's very normal for an OS whether it be Windows or iOS or Android to use up all available RAM, that's the way it should be.
S6's problem is not that RAM is almost full all the time, which is normal, but that background applications get autoclosed after a short time, which is a kernel setting. My guess is that Samsung does it to save battery rather than RAM, since background apps eat up a lot of battery.

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There is no reason for RAM to stay empty. It's very normal for an OS whether it be Windows or iOS or Android to use up all available RAM, that's the way it should be.
S6's problem is not that RAM is almost full all the time, which is normal, but that background applications get autoclosed after a short time, which is a kernel setting. My guess is that Samsung does it to save battery rather than RAM, since background apps eat up a lot of battery.
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Spot on well said. Have a thanks

samsung will be always like that, i remember in s3 the same problem just worst because of lag, then s4 still laggy with touchwiz, s5 better touchwiz and still laggy, then our s6 with 3 gb of ram cant hold 4 apps in ram compared to other phone that doesnt have the crappy, useless, laggy, and ugly SH*TWIZ. Samsung always be like that and they will never fix lag and ram problems never. even S6 Edge + with 4gb of ram Still the same crap with touchwiz.
i hope cm arrives to our s6, if not we will be screwed in the new android update 6.0 marshmellow.

I think more to the point, WHO gets to use the memory is what matters. In Sense, the streamlined system processes takes very little of the available ram, and the apps get to fill the rest. In Touchwiz, it's the other way round - system sucks up most of the ram. I think the key to allow more apps in the background is in reducing the amount of ram system is using on top of less aggressive app killing.

For "Used RAM is not wasted RAM" guys...
System RAM is WASTED RAM in the sense that there are less RAM available for multitasking. Period.

I already commented on this topic on reddit. Here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3i8hgs/slug/cue76g4
Also don't forget to read my reply to one of the comments where I explain why Samsung decided to have this aggressive memory management.

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For "Used RAM is not wasted RAM" guys...
System RAM is WASTED RAM in the sense that there are less RAM available for multitasking. Period.
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This would be true, *IF* things were being killed because the system is out of memory; however, that is not what is happening here... even with memory to spare, things are getting dumped.

rkhighlight said:
I already commented on this topic on reddit. Here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3i8hgs/slug/cue76g4
Also don't forget to read my reply to one of the comments where I explain why Samsung decided to have this aggressive memory management.
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Yes I am fully aware what he issue can be resolved by a ROOTED user in minutes but out of reach for most - I did it myself on the 5.0.2 ROM. But even though samsung promised to fix the ram issue in 5.1.1 update, fact is, people still can't open apps and leave them in the background. I hope they will release a "fix" and make the value what they should be.

Thread closed as there is a thread already dedicated do this issue >>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/galaxy-s6-ram-issues-intentional-t3172296

Why MIUI shows fake free RAM/ memory?

Redmi Note 7 Pro is My first Xiomi phone.
I got the 6gb ram 126gb variant.
Whenever I check the memory status via the usual recent key it says 3.8 gb free off 6 gb.
While this was fine until I installed some tools like Device info. etc. which actually says 2.6gb free of 5.6gb.
I do agree that 400-500mb is reserved for system purpose which leaves 5.5gb for user availability.
I also checked the same via ADB command such as cat /proc/meminfo and it shows same 2.6gb free.
Why does MIUI fakes RAM values especially the free memory which it fakes and shows exceeding by almost 900mb to a whooping 1gb?? Where practically it should had shown the True values: 2.6 gb free of 6 gb. Isn't it?
Surprisingly, unlike other phones there is no alternative way in the Setting menu to check memory aspects except for the internal storage which is quiet strange.
Also, I wonder out of 5.5gb how can I only get around 2.5gb of free ram?? Does MIUI really needs 3gb of ram just to operate it OS?
If this is the case with 6gb variant I wonder how bad it could be with just a 4gb variant?
4gb variant must be having only some MBs of free ram then.
I urge all Redmi 7 users to report/post here their free ram snapshots along with Ram info. from apps like Device Info. or similar apps.

Which Hardware info App?
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In 4gigs Ram variant, i get 1.9 to 2.1gb free in idle conditions.

kunalchitara said:
In 4gigs Ram variant, i get 1.9 to 2.1gb free in idle conditions.
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If you are using the default miui Recent key button to see free ram then this is what I'm talking about. It shows fake free ram.
Use other tools from playstore and then tally the free ram displayed on miui with that tool, you will be shocked to see the actual free memory.

Inspite of mentioning everything in a baby spoon feeding language this is how you guys understand the users queries.
Here's a clear picture of what I'm talking about.
Now hope you got it now.
Left side is how miui shows free memory while Right side other apps shows the actual free memory. This is why miui fakes ram value.
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Inspite of mentioning everything in a baby spoon feeding language this is how you guys understand the users queries.
Here's a clear picture of what I'm talking about.
Now hope you got it now.
First pic shows how miui shows free memory while second pic shows other apps shows the actual free memory. This is why miui fakes ram value.

Here's a clear picture of what I'm talking about.
Now hope you got it now.
First pic shows how much free memory MIUI shows while second pic shows free memory on Other apps which actually displays the REAL actual free memory.
This is how miui fakes ram value.

Maybe 4 gb ram have optimised apps for take some ram as per limit, since u have 6gb more apps gets stored get have more limit,they will be difference in opening system apps in 4gb and 6gb version, it's a system values given by system Miui rom to consume all ram for good use. U can free all ram by rooting and changing lmk values

I don't mean to be rude, but why is free ram so important to you? Can you please explain, i'm very interested in this because i have never understood the obsession with the amount of free ram on a phone. Basically unused/free ram is unutilesed ram. It's like having a F1 race car and using it for going to work with it or drive within city speed limits; i mean you can but it's not meant to be used like that.

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I don't mean to be rude, but why is free ram so important to you? Can you please explain, i'm very interested in this because i have never understood the obsession with the amount of free ram on a phone. Basically unused/free ram is unutilesed ram. It's like having a F1 race car and using it for going to work with it or drive within city speed limits; i mean you can but it's not meant to be used like that.
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Well now here is a scenario for you.
You bought a phone with snapdragon 855. And your phone displays it as 855 in its own settings.
But as soon as you fire 3rd party bench marking apps they report it as 675.
Then I will ask you why does processor power even bothers you when both of them are pretty good.

To be honest the cpu power does not really matter to me, that is why i did not buy a SD855. Regarding your scenario - if the phone (manufacturer) says that the phone has a SD855, and numerous specialised and individual review sites, individual user reviews, teardowns and comparisons to similarly specced devices confirm that it is so, then i have no doubt that the phone indeed has a SD855 regardless of what third party apps report. And this being MIUI - which is heavily customized/optimised Android skin, perhaps it calculates/reports the amount of free ram in a different way than those apps, idk. If your phone performs as those numerous reviesw show, you should really not be bothered by the amount of free ram that miui app reports. I have higlighted some details about the cpu that are being incorrectly reported by two different third party apps.

Although not significant but still there is nearly 100mb difference between RAM shown in miui recents and in a third party app. SS attached

i have oberved too....Xiaomi fakes it....Thanks for posting this

Yep. My theory is it shows off Free RAM + Free ZRAM as free memory. It' approximately matches it most of the time.

nri_tech1183 said:
Redmi Note 7 Pro is My first Xiomi phone.
I got the 6gb ram 126gb variant.
Whenever I check the memory status via the usual recent key it says 3.8 gb free off 6 gb.
While this was fine until I installed some tools like Device info. etc. which actually says 2.6gb free of 5.6gb.
I do agree that 400-500mb is reserved for system purpose which leaves 5.5gb for user availability.
I also checked the same via ADB command such as cat /proc/meminfo and it shows same 2.6gb free.
Why does MIUI fakes RAM values especially the free memory which it fakes and shows exceeding by almost 900mb to a whooping 1gb?? Where practically it should had shown the True values: 2.6 gb free of 6 gb. Isn't it?
Surprisingly, unlike other phones there is no alternative way in the Setting menu to check memory aspects except for the internal storage which is quiet strange.
Also, I wonder out of 5.5gb how can I only get around 2.5gb of free ram?? Does MIUI really needs 3gb of ram just to operate it OS?
If this is the case with 6gb variant I wonder how bad it could be with just a 4gb variant?
4gb variant must be having only some MBs of free ram then.
I urge all Redmi 7 users to report/post here their free ram snapshots along with Ram info. from apps like Device Info. or similar apps.
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brother mi is very very wrost company . they have all deporment say farud

ToXiTe said:
Yep. My theory is it shows off Free RAM + Free ZRAM as free memory. It' approximately matches it most of the time.
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Bullseye!!!
You are right!
While xiaomi considers free ram the available ram+hibernate ram (used as cache, like others operating systems), the 3rd party app used here is not considering cache as free ram.
RAM Truth will tell you the truth
Xiaomi is not faking!!!