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Running services

Hey.
Just wondering with people out there. if you check under running services, how much are processes taking up and how much free do you see on average.
I see 150-170mb
140-160 free
Are these numbers normal is what I'm looking forward to see.
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127MB used 179MB free

Is that avg? I get that right after I reboot my phone. After some use it pops to 150+
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baolongn said:
Is that avg? I get that right after I reboot my phone. After some use it pops to 150+
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no thats just what it was at that time.
its now 130MB used 177MB free.
no reboot.

I hover around 90ish used 210ish free most of the time. I close apps by back buttoning out of them when I'm done instead of home button.
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Holy crap. I avg about 160 used. Idk if battery life is an issue though. Been getting ~15 hrs on moderate use.
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WHOAA! 160s and some even in 200s?
I get a max of 170-ish at boot, and soon after some use, it deteriorates to to 60s and 70s range...
i reboot my phone once every 1-2 days ... but i constantly ensure there are no background apps running using the task-manager app...
any tips to help me out guys?
EDIT: sorry - i was looking at "Free memory" as shown under the "Advanced Task Killer" app ... while the OP was talking about free memory shown under the 'Running services' screen ..
that screen shows me around 130-145 ish

From what I hear atk are bad for your phone causing the CPU to be used more to end these tasks that aren't ready to be killed. I suggest you let your CPU run off its terminate code on its on. I'm confident you'll find the stock task manager to be efficient and effective.
Anyways, back to services. Seems like nightly #19 is better taking care of my services. Got it to drop to 120 consistently and staying there.
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baolongn said:
From what I hear atk are bad for your phone causing the CPU to be used more to end these tasks that aren't ready to be killed. I suggest you let your CPU run off its terminate code on its on. I'm confident you'll find the stock task manager to be efficient and effective.
Anyways, back to services. Seems like nightly #19 is better taking care of my services. Got it to drop to 120 consistently and staying there.
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mmmm..interesting..
i just checked the built-in battery-usage app to see what's consuming power... and ATK hasn't popped on there (yet) ... but I do rememebr seeing it once or twice with a 2-3% figure next to it..
I will try to keep it off tomorrow and use the stock task manager... lets see if that improves battery life by any chance..

i'm not sure that task managers will show up in the android list of used battery processes. but i can tell you that using task killer is a bad idea, and can lead to shorter battery life, because the OS constantly opens up apps. and the task killer is just fighting the OS killing them again, which is an endless cycle using up cpu power. these apps are periodically loaded as "empty processes" and usually will show as background on a task killer. you dont have to worry about these, they use no power. but services you may want to look out for, as they may be doing something, and could be using power.

RogerPodacter said:
i'm not sure that task managers will show up in the android list of used battery processes. but i can tell you that using task killer is a bad idea, and can lead to shorter battery life, because the OS constantly opens up apps. and the task killer is just fighting the OS killing them again, which is an endless cycle using up cpu power. these apps are periodically loaded as "empty processes" and usually will show as background on a task killer. you dont have to worry about these, they use no power. but services you may want to look out for, as they may be doing something, and could be using power.
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Yes sir... makes sense ...Ill start tomorrow with a freshly baked /charged battery
and kill off the ATK ..
Thanks again...It's fantastic to see all these helpful tips out here on XDA
And OP sorry if I wennt OT or hijacked ur question towards battery life/ ATK

214 on boot free
180 on used

Best task killing app

I was wondering if any could tell me what the best task killing app is out there.
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Watchdog. Android doesn't need a task killer though.
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Using an on-demand task killing app is actually pretty counter-productive. Android can handle your memory just fine.
Installing something like Watchdog to keep an eye out for runaway apps isn't a bad idea, though.

I second watchdog, you don't need to kill apps, killing apps kills your battery, apps aren't using your battery unless they are using your processor. Watchdog tells you when/if an app goes rouge and starts hogging say 80% of your processor, and gives you the option to force close the app.

Agreed. No task killer needed. Just another reason to love Android!

Thanks everyone I purchased watchdog its good thanks again this forum is great glad to have made the switch from ios to android
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+1 on no task killer. Many tasks that are killed will just start again anyway. The constant stopping and starting will use more CPU and thus more battery.
Best way I've found to conserve battery is to use SetCPU profiles.

system panel, paid version, is far and above the best app for this. monitoring enabled is simply superb!
but yes, you dont need a task killer, only to kill a random misbehaving app once in a while. android 2.2 and above, apps are no longer able to be killed most of the time anyway.

lrs421 said:
Watchdog. Android doesn't need a task killer though.
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+1.
As mentioned, Android doesn't need it, not to mention this phone in particular seems to be pretty efficient at multi-tasking/memory management.
There are apps that run away with the CPU usage, Time Mobile is one I know of, that does this. It becomes a problem especially if the app doesn't even properly terminate even when you make a conscious effort to properly close the app by standard means, not to mention when an app just starts doing weird **** that makes you want to FC it intentionally.
In these special circumstances, Watchdog is best, as it monitors and tells you when an app is savaging your CPU, and gives you easy access to the kill switch.
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Task Killer --> don't use it!

The link in the post below by NikolaiT is definitely worth reading - long story short, you should NOT be using a task killer (especially with this phone, with all its available RAM). Using one actually makes your phone run less efficiently, and it can drain your battery to boot.
Originally Posted by NikolaiT
You're going to get worst battery life using a task killer. http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/

Your link is not working
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i think task killers are great if you use them to kill the right apps, not the recurring self-opening ones

But iz not made to be that way
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http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/

The best thing to do instead of task killers is to use autostarts to stop apps from opening unnecessarily
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crazythunder said:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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Thanks, reposted the correct link in the original!

jayohwhy said:
The best thing to do instead of task killers is to use autostarts to stop apps from opening unnecessarily
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when i see a rogue app running in the background, i dip my phone into a container of dry ice, just to teach it a lesson.

crazythunder said:
when i see a rogue app running in the background, i dip my phone into a container of dry ice, just to teach it a lesson.
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That's pretty stupid...everyone knows you should only use the dry ice method when your battery's overheating.
Noob.

Erislover said:
That's pretty stupid...everyone knows you should only use the dry ice method when your battery's overheating.
Noob.
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how do you think titanium freezes apps? newb

crazythunder said:
when i see a rogue app running in the background, i dip my phone into a container of dry ice, just to teach it a lesson.
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Is this a douche-y way of saying autostarts doesn't work?
If not I think I'll need to have A couple beers before I think that is funny,

crazythunder said:
how do you think titanium freezes apps? newb
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lol now that's funny

I use a task killer to kill current running apps but no automatic killing and no killing of the background apps. Sometimes I like to free up memory
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Haharharhardyhaha its pretty funny... I think you are assuming his scarcasm over the internet.... not the best thing to do unless you want to start the grammar corrections and insults
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tackleberry said:
I use a task killer to kill current running apps but no automatic killing and no killing of the background apps. Sometimes I like to free up memory
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Freeing up memory doesn't do anything.. The larger memory # just looks pleasing to your eyes. When the android phone actually needs memory, it will shut down any and all apps that are not currently in use. These apps you are shutting down to 'free up memory' are sitting there dormant. As in, the memory is already free for the taking... You're actually accomplishing nothing at all besides making the memory # larger to your eyes and wasting battery.
It's a waste of time and battery to shut down any apps unless they are running wild. WatchDog will show you which ones are running wild on CPU usage.. That's all that is needed.. and once used for a day or 2 to evaluate.. it should be uninstalled because that too uses battery to monitor.
I find it funny to watch some guys using task killers, "I'm literally shutting the same things down over a 100 times a day!!! My battery sucks!!!" I laugh.

I read that article and stopped using my task killer for a day... everything was ridiculously slow after that. Browser, menus, etc. were extremely slow/buggy. One click of the task killer and everything ran smoothly again. I'll stop using a task killer when android starts using my memory the way it claims to.
Yes, it may drain battery faster... but I don't have time for buggy/stuttering menus and browsers.

I use a task killer... as a scalpel... not a hatchet. sometimes apps freeze (badly written, not working well for specific devices and just because). Then I use a task killer to kill THAT app. but auto clearing tasks is a bad idea.

alwarnecke said:
I read that article and stopped using my task killer for a day... everything was ridiculously slow after that. Browser, menus, etc. were extremely slow/buggy. One click of the task killer and everything ran smoothly again. I'll stop using a task killer when android starts using my memory the way it claims to.
Yes, it may drain battery faster... but I don't have time for buggy/stuttering menus and browsers.
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But you see, there is no knowledge of what is actually on that caused the slowness. It could have been 1 app going rogue. Without that knowledge, the only knowledge you end up with is "killing all apps was the solution." Sure, it appears as the correct fix, but was it only 1 app that could be frozen/removed/reinstalled? You don't know unless you dig deeper. A task killer just makes it look/sound/feel right.
WatchDog is a CPU monitor. Next time your phone is lagging up, put it on and look at the CPU usage. You'll find the app that is giving you challenges and you can shut it down.. then watch your phone stop lagging. Lastly, you can choose to freeze/uninstall/reinstall the app to come to a final solution.
my 2c

schmit said:
But you see, there is no knowledge of what is actually on that caused the slowness. It could have been 1 app going rogue. Without that knowledge, the only knowledge you end up with is "killing all apps was the solution." Sure, it appears as the correct fix, but was it only 1 app that could be frozen/removed/reinstalled? You don't know unless you dig deeper. A task killer just makes it look/sound/feel right.
WatchDog is a CPU monitor. Next time your phone is lagging up, put it on and look at the CPU usage. You'll find the app that is giving you challenges and you can shut it down.. then watch your phone stop lagging. Lastly, you can choose to freeze/uninstall/reinstall the app to come to a final solution.
my 2c
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Valid point. I'll try that for a few days and post the results, can't hurt!

nate420 said:
Haharharhardyhaha its pretty funny... I think you are assuming his scarcasm over the internet.... not the best thing to do unless you want to start the grammar corrections and insults
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No, it was cool I even thought about replying: "Only a noob spells it "newb," you nube." But ultimately I decided against that because it wouldn't have been that funny.
By the way, I think you meant "it's"...

[Q] about ram and multitasking

Is ram availability on this phone based on time or physical availability?
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What do you mean time? Ram is a physical limitation. But since sense is hogging up quite a bit atm, we might be able to squeeze a bit more free ram in the future.but 1gb is fixed.
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ethantarheels123 said:
What do you mean time? Ram is a physical limitation. But since sense is hogging up quite a bit atm, we might be able to squeeze a bit more free ram in the future.but 1gb is fixed.
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I know it's physical but some of my apps don't hold their spot after time vs availability of free resources.
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Apps only get dumped from the RAM by the OS when the OS runs out of RAM to use.
So just time wouldn't affect an app getting dumped from the memory. Your problem is probably stemming from an app that continuously is using up more and more RAM.

rohan32 said:
Apps only get dumped from the RAM by the OS when the OS runs out of RAM to use.
So just time wouldn't affect an app getting dumped from the memory. Your problem is probably stemming from an app that continuously is using up more and more RAM.
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Actually, Sense also kills apps after a certain time limit (around 10-15 minutes) even if there is sufficient RAM. So, to answer the OP's question, YES, the physical limit of RAM as well as the arbitrary HTC Sense "time limit" will both kill a back-grounded app.
You can test this yourself easily. Reboot phone. Load two apps, then make note of your RAM usage. (You should still have a fair amount left with only two apps open.) Let phone sleep. Open phone 15 minutes later, verify RAM is roughly the same as you left it, use recent apps key to select an app, and boom, one or both apps will reload. :-(
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...-solution-without-needing-root-i-think-2.html

rohan32 said:
Apps only get dumped from the RAM by the OS when the OS runs out of RAM to use.
So just time wouldn't affect an app getting dumped from the memory. Your problem is probably stemming from an app that continuously is using up more and more RAM.
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not true. the OS will dump an app if its been idle in the background for too long even if there is a sufficient amount of free memory. I post a similar thread about it the other day.

Is the Marshmallow update for real ???

It looks like and says it is MM, but like a reviewer said: "I wonder if the manufacturers will make it all work", for instance the new permissions dont work at all
Other than some cosmetic changes on settings, I didnt find any differences, at least it upgraded without spoiling my old settings, and it doesnt have significant problems

The overall look is the same as 5.0,. But there are new settings,. Doze when the phone is idle, it turns off unused apps so the don't run, better ram management,.. Etc,..
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Zachary droid said:
The overall look is the same as 5.0,. But there are new settings,. Doze when the phone is idle, it turns off unused apps so the don't run, better ram management,.. Etc,..
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Battery is ok, same as before, I was more interested in permissions extended functionality, but it doesnt work...

Also fingerprint scanner is 20 times better and faster with a case on the phone
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