So, i just got the flex to, and i think its a really great phone. got the 16gb model cause thats the only one they had. Then i started to download all my apps when i noticed i only had 8 gb of storage basically. what the hell :s that is pretty lame. Is it just me that has like double up somewhere, or does it actuallly take up this much space?
6.06 for me. Its crap.
that is completely rediculous!. I want my damn 8gb back. its not like 16gb is all that great in the first place
This is pretty much the norm these day. You should feel lucky that at least it supports expandable storage.
still, i had a HTC One S 8gb before this phone, and that one actually had 8gb of storage
I have the same issue with my phone. That's why you need root, and then an sd card. Then you can put your apps on your external sd card, and don't have to worry about space.
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Hi
I've been a huge fan of my Google Nexus One, but T-Mobile never played fair with it, and after finding myself literally stranded (bad idea to rely on the Navigation tool) because their network engineers kept cutting my data, I decided it was time enough to give up and go mainstream.
So a week ago or so I mustered the courage to walk into one of the disgusting neon-pink Tmo stores and look at their phones. Luckily, I was due for an upgrade, and was able to sell my Nexus One on CL for the same price as a brand new One S... :crying: Bye Nexus
Anyway, I got it activated and working yesterday, and I've been pleasantly surprised by the phone, I find it odd that my carrier would offer an actual, nice, android phone.
My biggest peeve is that the One S doesn't support external storage, like a MicroSD. When I asked the teenager at the puke-pink store, she told me it wouldn't be a problem, because the One S already has 2Gigs of RAM and 16Gigs of internal storage. "And 16 Gigabytes is a lot of space" I was told, which is true.
Except the phone doesn't have 16 Gigs of storage, is barely has 9.6 Gigs. I can understand 15-point-something gigs, heck I can understand 14-point-something gigs due to the phone using it, but 6 missing Gigabytes? That a lot less space than I was counting on..
Do the phones just come with 10 Gigs of internal storage, or does the stock Sense/Android stuff take up SIX WHOLE GIGABYTES? (cheating IMHO to advertise as though it isn't)..
Sorry to rant, I love this new phone otherwise and I'm still glad I went with HTC over the Samsung S3
Thanks!,
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I'm an idiot, I totally missed the HELP THREAD. If someone feels this needs to be posted there instead, please tell me.
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It's not that Sense takes up 6GB, it's that the flash is partitioned such that sectors such as /data take several GB even if empty. I guess the rule with this phone is never install apps to "SD", just keep them all on internal storage to maintain that full 10GB for your files.
The total storage is 16G.
10G is 'for you' and acts as the SD card would.
The other 6G is apps, app data, cache, radio, hboot, sbl, recovery, etc..
It does get 25G of dropbox, but that's not really as good as local storage.
Also, it has 1G, not 2G of RAM.
Basically, it means that you can't carry your media collection around on your phone, but it is still enough to carry a couple of albums, a movie, and take lots of pictures.
With this restriction, it is a very nice piece of equipment. Gorgeous body, bright and saturated screen, very snappy.
Enjoy!
-Jobo
touch of jobo said:
The total storage is 16G.
With this restriction, it is a very nice piece of equipment. Gorgeous body, bright and saturated screen, very snappy.
Enjoy!
-Jobo
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that's right! and for me it is especially the haptics which makes it superior to the s3!
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It's not that Sense takes up 6GB, it's that the flash is partitioned such that sectors such as /data take several GB even if empty. I guess the rule with this phone is never install apps to "SD", just keep them all on internal storage to maintain that full 10GB for your files.
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Okay, that makes more sense, and if installing apps doesn't cut into the 10GB very much, I'll be happy. I guess that was another thing with the N1, I always had the ram and internal storage maxed out.
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Also, it has 1G, not 2G of RAM.
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..I feel pretty cheated by what they told me at the store I literally watched this lady "look it up" on a computer and tell me that 2G and 16G were the specks.. Oh well
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With this restriction, it is a very nice piece of equipment. Gorgeous body, bright and saturated screen, very snappy.
Enjoy!
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Yeah, I'm really digging how similar it is to the N1 shell: not plastic-y :laugh:
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys, I really appreciate it!
I think I'll give stock a few days to grow on me, and then play around with rooting and installing MIUI
I believe the Nexus 4 16 GB has faster storagvwhen compared to the 8 GB will we see that with the 32 GB Nexus 5?
And why do you believe that?
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And why do you believe that?
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This can happen in SSDs. On the phone without knowing what type of controller tech is being used with the nand it's hard to say.
This is easily proved by benchmarks that show certain higher capacity SSDs earning higher speed benchmarks than the same models in smaller capacities.
Take a look here: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2013/AS-SSD-4K-Q64-Random-Read,2786.html
See how the 840 Evo in 1gb beats the 840 pro 128 ? ( basically the evo is the step down from the pro line. But increase the capacity enough and it beats the Pro. )
But like I said I have no idea how the actual nand and what the controller setup is on the nexus 5.
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Most probably because he ordered the 32gb Version
seriously I would think the other way...with sd cards it is known that the biggest cards are by far Not the fastest ones.
curently the fastest One are 32gb Versions.
taking that....I'd think that the bigger the space the slower it is.
but hell...WHO cares if they use anything like in my Xperia z tablet.
60mb/sec read and something like 35mb/sec write is twice as fast as in my samsung note1.
that really makes a difference.
by the way...I ordered a 32gb Version.
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Most probably because he ordered the 32gb Version
seriously I would think the other way...with sd cards it is known that the biggest cards are by far Not the fastest ones.
curently the fastest One are 32gb Versions.
taking that....I'd think that the bigger the space the slower it is.
but hell...WHO cares if they use anything like in my Xperia z tablet.
60mb/sec read and something like 35mb/sec write is twice as fast as in my samsung note1.
that really makes a difference.
by the way...I ordered a 32gb Version.
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Actually I ordered a 16 GB Nexus 4 at the time and ordered a 16 GB Nexus 5 this time. So I was wondering.
in both case of traditional hdd and nand memory, bigger usually means faster, especially for nand memory.
More capacity usually comes with more channels, hence more simultaneous read/write operations.
I know it highly depends on the design/specification of the controller. But in NAND world, it's safe to say the statement holds in 99% of all cases.
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Most probably because he ordered the 32gb Version
seriously I would think the other way...with sd cards it is known that the biggest cards are by far Not the fastest ones.
curently the fastest One are 32gb Versions.
taking that....I'd think that the bigger the space the slower it is.
but hell...WHO cares if they use anything like in my Xperia z tablet.
60mb/sec read and something like 35mb/sec write is twice as fast as in my samsung note1.
that really makes a difference.
by the way...I ordered a 32gb Version.
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bl4ckdr4g00n said:
in both case of traditional hdd and nand memory, bigger usually means faster, especially for nand memory.
More capacity usually comes with more channels, hence more simultaneous read/write operations.
I know it highly depends on the design/specification of the controller. But in NAND world, it's safe to say the statement holds in 99% of all cases.
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im Not saying that he is wrong but fact is....the fastest 64gb card is just a mediocre 32gb card. But as he wrote it wont be related to less controllers/channels but the less good nand Chips i guess.
but since 32 gb cards are the fastest currently chances are good that speeds will be ok for the model I ordered
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im Not saying that he is wrong but fact is....the fastest 64gb card is just a mediocre 32gb card. But as he wrote it wont be related to less controllers/channels but the less good nand Chips i guess.
but since 32 gb cards are the fastest currently chances are good that speeds will be ok for the model I ordered
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Sdcard are generally slower than internal flash memory, why do you think nexus devices do not come with sd slot, this is one of the reason. Do you honestly think they put an sdcard inside the Nexus phone?
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Sdcard are generally slower than internal flash memory, why do you think nexus devices do not come with sd slot, this is one of the reason. Do you honestly think they put an sdcard inside the Nexus phone?
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well this has happened but it is very unusual especially with quality Made products.
but i think the storage is the Same built. just without the way via the sd card Format. the Chip is the Same i think.
it would be so easy if people with nexus5 would care to Test.
I dont really do that much. that is why I repeatedly say either the 16gb Version as the 32gb Version will be fast enough.
in fact how much was the difference between tbe 8gb and the 16gb Version on nexus4 btw?
but i'd the difference will be smaller this time since 16gb cards are pretty damn fast too.
probably the controller of the phone itself may cause a bottleneck where the Performance gets cuttedmso the may be even no difference at all when it comes to nexus5.
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well this has happened but it is very unusual especially with quality Made products.
but i think the storage is the Same built. just without the way via the sd card Format. the Chip is the Same i think.
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This is 99% not the case. The internal NAND chips have faster random read/write speed than the chips in sdcard most of the time. The controller in the sdcards are also slower than the build-in ones. In the case of GS4, the internal NAND is 6 time in random read speed and 3 times in random write speed of a class 10 sdcard placed in the sd slot.
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This is 99% not the case. The internal NAND chips have faster random read/write speed than the chips in sdcard most of the time. The controller in the sdcards are also slower than the build-in ones. In the case of GS4, the internal NAND is 6 time in random read speed and 3 times in random write speed of a class 10 sdcard placed in the sd slot.
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in that case the sd card reader of the s4 is veeeeery Bad. cause the sd card in my Xperia z makes it above 40 mb/sec.
the internal storage though is still faster at something like 55mb/sek.
then there is the fact that you obvioulsy forgot that there are uhs-I cards that we can put in our sd card slots...I got One of those!
you shouldnt compare Ferrari with beetle to proove a point which only is true by Part.
finally there are sd Format cards available with speeds of 120mb/sec. but the sd controllers in our handheld devices are Not yet able to read them. So six times makes the internal Memory of the s4.....600mb/sec.
now thats fast. just because you dont Know something doesnt meant it isnt there!?
chinese tablets indeed have (the ones i Know) that Bad internal Memory that in fact a good sd card is faster than the internal Memory.
we dont Know what quality Google has told LG to build in. i just hope is somewhere like what is in Xperia z.
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in that case the sd card reader of the s4 is veeeeery Bad. cause the sd card in my Xperia z makes it above 40 mb/sec.
the internal storage though is still faster at something like 55mb/sek.
then there is the fact that you obvioulsy forgot that there are uhs-I cards that we can put in our sd card slots...I got One of those!
you shouldnt compare Ferrari with beetle to proove a point which only is true by Part.
finally there are sd Format cards available with speeds of 120mb/sec. but the sd controllers in our handheld devices are Not yet able to read them. So six times makes the internal Memory of the s4.....600mb/sec.
now thats fast. just because you dont Know something doesnt meant it isnt there!?
chinese tablets indeed have (the ones i Know) that Bad internal Memory that in fact a good sd card is faster than the internal Memory.
we dont Know what quality Google has told LG to build in. i just hope is somewhere like what is in Xperia z.
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You are quoting continues read/write speed in the best case scenario. My test is small file random read/write which more like real day to day operation of a smartphoe. With a ush-i card inside, GS4 benchmarked at 13mb/sec and 7mb/sec. The same test performed on the internal is 71mb/sec and 40mb/sec.
ok. that is truely a different Situation there.
and YES the s4 really has powerful memory installed if those numbers are true.
now i wish LG has built in some of THAT stuff
Hi all. So i decided to buy moto g, expect me here in a couple of weeks . Anyway, i'm not sure should i buy classic moto g 16gb or this new moto g 4g with sdcard. Looking at it, having sdcard slot would be nice though i don't care much about 4g. What bothers me that amount of roms for 4g version seems to be much smaller and there are no kernels. Price of both versions seems to be similar on mobicity.co.uk. Also, does anyone know what would be the cheapest place to order moto g inside eu?
Bump :/
Don't know about the price, but I'm quite happy with the 4g variant.
Downloading official kitkat for it right now, 4g speed is nice to have, and moving apps to sdcard keeps this thing open for tons of apps + additional room for more. So I see no real advantage to the internal only one here.
Probably better to base it on your storage needs + some additional for growing room / additional app space. If you don't put/keep whole video files, tons of music, recovery backups, big games, or other things that take up lots of space on your phone then internal only should be fine. There's nothing wrong with it.
Why not wait a few days and see what the New Moto G (2?) Version specs are. That's what I'm doing.
Thanks for the help, i think i'm gonna buy 4g.
Basing your choice on a number of ROMs/kernels is quite bad idea. Poorly the worst thing you can do when choosing a proper mobile.
Anyway, consider if 12GB will be enough for your needs if you pick the classic 16GB moto g.For example I'm using an 8GB version for my daily driver and I don't feel that I need more free space, but sometimes I really feel like that it would have been great to have a sd, even tho that rarely comes to my mind.
After a while I got the LTE model and used it for about a month as daily one. Inserted a fancy 64GB class 10 microsd in it made by ADATA and it worked w/o a problem, even tho moto says up to 32GB... nice surprise there.
After few weeks I've realized that the damn sd card is pretty useless to me, even tho the device had only 8GB internal storage, but I just didn't need more...
Also you should consider that the inbuilt eMMC it's quite faster storage, than any micro sd you may use.
Good Luck.
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Hi all. So i decided to buy moto g, expect me here in a couple of weeks . Anyway, i'm not sure should i buy classic moto g 16gb or this new moto g 4g with sdcard. Looking at it, having sdcard slot would be nice though i don't care much about 4g. What bothers me that amount of roms for 4g version seems to be much smaller and there are no kernels. Price of both versions seems to be similar on mobicity.co.uk. Also, does anyone know what would be the cheapest place to order moto g inside eu?
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If you use the phone as a music /video player and you like to use it as a camera, then the 4G with microsd slot is the best choice for you. If you use it primarily as a phone and you don't make a lot of photos and videos, then the 16 gb would be good. But remember that: one day you should need more space than the internal 12 gb (memory is 16 gb, but the actual free space is less) and the only solution would be the USB OTG.
On my Galaxy Tab S 16GB, when I go to Settings > Storage, the first line I see is about 4.12GB worth of System application stuff that won't shrink no matter how much bloatware I remove (the device is rooted).
This line does not appear at all on my Nexus 5, so I'm 100% sure this is bloatware.
So, 25% of my internal storage on the Tab S is unusable due to Samsung's bloatware crap.
I'd like to know how much space the bloatware would take up on a S6 of the 32GB variety, as it tends to change across devices.
On mine, Storage reports just over 6 Gig of system memory usage. But that will be the OS and some other shizzle too, I'm guessing?
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On mine, Storage reports just over 6 Gig of system memory usage. But that will be the OS and some other shizzle too, I'm guessing?
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6GB and no external storage? Ouch!!! No way I'm blowing my money on that just yet. Let's hope custom ROM makers pick this up.
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6GB and no external storage? Ouch!!! No way I'm blowing my money on that just yet. Let's hope custom ROM makers pick this up.
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Definitely need to be a bit more frugal than I'm used to with my old S3, where I had 16GB internal and 32GB external. But for me, music is my main killer, as I like higher quality encodings. Luckily though, I have a 10GB data allowance, and only listen to the same set of songs. Depends what you wanna do really.
I'm sure once custom stuff properly starts to roll, we'll have a better understanding of what's inside, and better use for it.
Ok one of the local "guru's" at Best Buy told my wife that putting a SD card in her S8 or S8+ will slow the phone down..... I know that a slow SD card would but she was buying a Samsung Evo + 128gb card? Please tell me he was just trying to upsell her on a SD card.
Ps. I've had terrible luck with Samsung SD cards. Everyone I've owned has failed in the first year. Often Sooner.
At this point I only trust SanDisk.
It's the reverse for SSD drives.
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What I had said before was he's wrong.
Basic summary is the card itself is slower than Internal storage so what you Store there Will be slightly slower. But for video, audio, pics, it's totally fine.
It can help you avoid slowing down your phone because keeping your internal storage with space Helps avoid the slowdowns that come from fragmentation.
The fuller it is the more it has to hunt to read and write data.
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A slow card will slow things down for sure. Especially the camera.
Using my 256GB card courtesy of Samsung when I got my Note 7 last summer.
That card works great. Used it in a Sony A6500 mirrorless and could record 4K on highest setting with no issues.
Using a USB 3.1/Thunderbolt hub on my Macbook I was getting close to 100 megabytes per second copying pictures.
Good deal for free. If anyone got one from the Note 7 deal I'd use it on the phone.
A bargain bin 32GB card that barely writes at 10MB/S is gonna give problems, no doubt about it.
Yeah I have the 256gb one coming in the extra package from Samsung if it ever arrives. My wife walked into Best Buy and bought hers today GRRRRRRR!!!! I told her to get the same card the Evo + as its the same speed or very close as the one coming (if samsung ever gets my order out of Indianapolis!)
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A slow card will slow things down for sure. Especially the camera.
Using my 256GB card courtesy of Samsung when I got my Note 7 last summer.
That card works great. Used it in a Sony A6500 mirrorless and could record 4K on highest setting with no issues.
Using a USB 3.1/Thunderbolt hub on my Macbook I was getting close to 100 megabytes per second copying pictures.
Good deal for free. If anyone got one from the Note 7 deal I'd use it on the phone.
A bargain bin 32GB card that barely writes at 10MB/S is gonna give problems, no doubt about it.
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But it isn't going to magically slow the whole phone down which was the best buy assertion.
It will slow down what is explicitly stored there. That's about it.
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Samsung cards are the in my experience
No it won't slow it down all the time but any service or app that wants to use it for whatever reason *could* be impacted.
Since most users want the space for pictures/video and use the camera frequently this becomes an issue.
Of course leave it up to BB sales they'll resort to anything. (ex. $120 HDMI cable that will provide IDENTICAL picture and sound as a $8 monoprice special)
My S8+ was running like molasses, huge lag in apps and app switching. Instantly better when I removed the SD card.
I wouldn't merge it with the internal storage, I would expect that to cause issues.
I run the 128gb evo in mine and have absolutely no issues
Thanks for reminding me! My camera was saving photos to the SD card. I noticed some lag and meant to move it back. Forgot until now!
dunno if S8 has Move App2SD? If you have that and slow card then its going to be slow..
SD Cards are slow in general, even if its top tier in Class. And they fail too damn often so i stopped using them.
I just installed a scandisk sd card 200g in my s8+ and I see it's there but shows to not be mounted. Any suggestions on what app or what I can do to resolve this issue please
my phone was running slow especially when Google play updated apps. I unmounted the SD card and then the problem was solved. and I don't move any app to SD only photos are saved there but somehow it still impacted Google play a lot.