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[Q] Windows 7 Standalone/Dual Boot?

Is there any possibility to load Windows 7 standalone on Asus Transformer or better still have the option for Dual boot Windows 7 along with Honeycomb?

From what I've read windows 7 currently is impossible but may be possible on future windows iterations. Ubuntu is a possibility tho ..... see separate threads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows#Windows_8
I don't know about Windows 7, however Windows 8 has already been demonstrated running on a Tegra 2 processor. So it may be a possibility for the Transformer. A beta is rumored to be available in September 2011.

wilbur-force said:
From what I've read windows 7 currently is impossible but may be possible on future windows iterations. Ubuntu is a possibility tho ..... see separate threads.
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^This You can't run Win7 on arm
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smartbuddy said:
Is there any possibility to load Windows 7 standalone on Asus Transformer or better still have the option for Dual boot Windows 7 along with Honeycomb?
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Search? This question has been answered at least 20 times.

lost101 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows#Windows_8
I don't know about Windows 7, however Windows 8 has already been demonstrated running on a Tegra 2 processor. So it may be a possibility for the Transformer. A beta is rumored to be available in September 2011.
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And when it does become available, it will be largely useless. Do you think that the wealth of Windows apps are suddenly going to work in an ARM version of Windows 8? Think again. Every single app on Windows is compiled for the x86/x64 bytecode and will have to be recompiled for the ARM instruction set.
MS would be better off developing a tablet version of Windows Phone 7 and forget about squishing a desktop OS onto a tablet.

Trouble is, WinPhone requires a total rewrite of your apps. In theory, WinARM would at least be compatible at the source level. The idea isn't to run existing apps but to make porting them as painless as possible. Assuming WinARM is targeted at tablets (and not, for example, desktops/laptops with nVidia's Denver chip), developers would have to do nothing more than write a new UI and recompile (and as .NET already runs on a VM, x86-ARM differences shouldn't be much of an issue).

wiredmonkey said:
Search? This question has been answered at least 20 times.
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Can you provide me atleast 10 links out of 20, Mr. Search Master? As i could not find it ...
Thanks guys for clearing the doubt, i hope windows 8, comes out soon for Tegra 2 devices.

Unlike Linux, recompiling Win apps for the ARM is not easy do to x86 hooks that are incorporated. Think directx, activex, etc.

True but if you are using .Net Framework it should not be that painful. I had some of my WinForms apps working in mono in no time. I have not tried with WPF yet but it is on my list.
So as long as the Framework supports it, open the solution, rebuild it and run.

[Q] Surface legacy software suport

Hi guys, i am just wondering how the things going with the legacy apps/software on Surface?
Is it possible to run any apps/software on Surface which are running under xp/vista/w7/w8 ?

HeartKiller said:
Hi guys, i am just wondering how the things going with the legacy apps/software on Surface?
Is it possible to run any apps/software on Surface which are running under xp/vista/w7/w8 ?
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No, it is not possible to run legacy apps. Eventually we may be able to run recompiled versions of these apps, but an app from xp will not run on the surface at any point without at least first being compiled for arm

It will run on surface pro, not surface rt

spaco22 said:
It will run on surface pro, not surface rt
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Aha, that is sounds good.
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-us/surface-with-windows-8-pro/home - future version will do run legacy apps.
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/surface-with-windows-rt/home - current version is lucking that.
For me it is looks like MS released useless device, because as a Surface user if I am not able to run legacy apps - such device is completely useless
Yes it may be all right for HoseWife users but for Experienced users such device is completely rubbish.

HeartKiller said:
Yes it may be all right for HoseWife users but for Experienced users such device is completely rubbish.
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If you were an experienced user, you would have known what Windows RT was about without having to ask.
I can do plenty of real world work using the Surface, because I use it as a companion device to better equipped machines.
I am a IT professional, but I would not trade the battery life of the ARM based Surface with the power of an Intel based Surface Pro.
Just because something doesn't suit your purposes, doesn't make it rubbish!
As it is, by coming onto this forum making posts such as yours, you're just a troll.
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Dave
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HeartKiller said:
Yes it may be all right for HoseWife users but for Experienced users such device is completely rubbish.
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From the man who has owned 2 Motorola Razrs and a Siemens mobile phone. :highfive:

zing

Thank you guys for your replies.
But I would of thought that real man users would of guess that after "30th December 2012 at 11:41 AM" the question is kind of closed
Anyway I completely agree and it is exactly what I meant - if something is rubbish to me it is doesn't mean that it is nor rubbish for everybody.
Have a fun with your Surface RT if you already got one.
As for me I rather would wait unitl Pro ver released, but still not sure yet if I can by that because may be I am sill not experienced enough.
May be before to by Pro I need to by 5 iPhones, 10 iPads and some Galaxy tabls so I can put that phones in to my signature to look like a real man.

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Anyway I completely agree and it is exactly what I meant - if something is rubbish to me it is doesn't mean that it is nor rubbish for everybody.
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May be before to by Pro I need to by 5 iPhones, 10 iPads and some Galaxy tabls so I can put that phones in to my signature to look like a real man.
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if it was what you meant you wouldn't have called everyone housewife users.
You don't need a million devices, just expect an insult back when you are criticizing other users for their choice of tablet

HeartKiller said:
Thank you guys for your replies.
But I would of thought that real man users would of guess that after "30th December 2012 at 11:41 AM" the question is kind of closed
Anyway I completely agree and it is exactly what I meant - if something is rubbish to me it is doesn't mean that it is nor rubbish for everybody.
Have a fun with your Surface RT if you already got one.
As for me I rather would wait unitl Pro ver released, but still not sure yet if I can by that because may be I am sill not experienced enough.
May be before to by Pro I need to by 5 iPhones, 10 iPads and some Galaxy tabls so I can put that phones in to my signature to look like a real man.
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Mate the issue is your calling us housewives and inferring your an experienced professional user. Surface with windows rt has been announced for quite some time as an IT professional I've known full well it is an arm device which would require special apps so don't go calling me a housewife and making out your an experienced user, your simply not that smart.
I purchased my Surface RT due to the incredible battery life and the fact I can use this device to guide almost any user with windows 7/8 very easily. Full fledged remote desktop and office applications right out of the box is fantastic.
Perfect companion device for an IT professional. I'd say the housewives would be happy to stick with their ipads

The fact that I can use tablet style apps, run a full desktop environment, run a command line, and run remote desktops is exactly what I want out of a tablet. I don't need to run legacy apps when I have two other desktops and a laptop, all with remote desktop capability. For me, the pro version would be nice but the cost is too high. In addition to the cost of a pro surface, I would still need to buy a license for office.
I am a 22 year IT veteran and have used every version of Windows since version 2.11. I would hardly call myself a "housewife" user and I am very happy with my surface. I wouldn't mind running legacy apps but I certainly don't need to.

Install Ubuntu on the Surface Pro

Source: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-surface-pro-20130211/
Thanks, but no, I will keep Windows 8.

Talderon said:
Source: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-surface-pro-20130211/
Thanks, but no, I will keep Windows 8.
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Will it work on the RT?

Twiisted said:
Will it work on the RT?
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No, Pro Only.

Talderon said:
No, Pro Only.
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NNNNNOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!:crying:

Twiisted said:
NNNNNOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!:crying:
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The only reason No on the RT is that you can't disable Secure Boot and you would have to find an ARM compiled version of Ubuntu.
The first reason more than anything else will keep you from doing much of anything.

Well... to give you SOME hope: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/linux-foundation-secure-boot/
Looks like it may actually come to fruition at some point in the (near?) future.

Talderon said:
Well... to give you SOME hope: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/linux-foundation-secure-boot/
Looks like it may actually come to fruition at some point in the (near?) future.
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This is great news considering Ubuntu is already being compiled for ARM devices. e.g. Their new mobile operating system.
Once it drops, it should only be a matter of time before someone cooks it up for the RT... :fingers-crossed:

Twiisted said:
This is great news considering Ubuntu is already being compiled for ARM devices. e.g. Their new mobile operating system.
Once it drops, it should only be a matter of time before someone cooks it up for the RT... :fingers-crossed:
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Well, at least there is SOME light at the end of the tunnel.

Just because a secure boot-compatible segnature is present doesn't mean it will work; there's no way to add your own signing keys to the Surface RT's SB certificate store, so unless your Linux installer is either signed by MS or by another authority that is trusted out of the box, it still won't work.
Also, there's a big difference between recompiling a user-mode application for ARM and recompiling an entire OS. You need a compatible board support package for your processor and hardware. It's possible (and there are already Linux images that run on the Tegra3) but it's not trivial.

GoodDayToDie said:
Just because a secure boot-compatible segnature is present doesn't mean it will work; there's no way to add your own signing keys to the Surface RT's SB certificate store, so unless your Linux installer is either signed by MS or by another authority that is trusted out of the box, it still won't work.
Also, there's a big difference between recompiling a user-mode application for ARM and recompiling an entire OS. You need a compatible board support package for your processor and hardware. It's possible (and there are already Linux images that run on the Tegra3) but it's not trivial.
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Way to ruin my dream :/

Twiisted said:
Ubuntu is already being compiled for ARM devices. e.g. Their new mobile operating system.
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Full ubuntu is already available on ARM. Not just their new mobile OS.

Ubuntu on Surface :crying:
Buy a TF300

Caramel said:
Ubuntu on Surface :crying:
Buy a TF300
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I dont see the problem with it tbh. The surface is a genuinely nice piece of hardware, its just some people dont like windows 8.
Now a hackintosh on the surface would be very interesting albeit incredibly unlikely.
I wonder if one of the various android x86 projects would consider a surface pro version.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
I dont see the problem with it tbh. The surface is a genuinely nice piece of hardware, its just some people dont like windows 8.
Now a hackintosh on the surface would be very interesting albeit incredibly unlikely.
I wonder if one of the various android x86 projects would consider a surface pro version.
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I rather wait for windows android to release stable versions. I don't want to reboot and lost true multitasking just to play a mobile game.
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Surface pro with Mountain lion...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icPMg_qkSRs

looks like a fair bit of input latency there, very similar to what I see with remote desktop as opposed to running on the machine. Either that or poor drivers. Either one is possible

or the fact ml isn't supposed to run touchscreen so its not optimised....?

Trig0r said:
or the fact ml isn't supposed to run touchscreen so its not optimised....?
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I would class that under poor driver support which I already said....
OSX does support touchscreen anyway.

my surface pro cannot boot from Windows 7 and Linux USBs, it still proceeds to windows 8. (im trying to put windows 7 on it or Linux)
but I can on my Recovery USB. i'm using the down volume method, and tried the advance boot thingy and chose USB method.
So i doubted if my win7 and linux usbs are not bootable, but they both boot well on my other pc.
I also have that EFI boot disabled. im not exactly a noob with tweaks and software installation, i just dont know why my surface pro wont accept those bootable usbs so i can start installing them.
please help.

That's great and all, but I can't find the Marvell drivers for ubuntu at all..

Android on Surface RT

I'm looking to install Android on my Surface RT and have no idea where to start. If anyone has some suggestions I'd be very grateful for the help ?
I've seen plenty of guides for installing Android X86 however the RT runs on an ARM processor, so not too sure the best way to proceed due to a lack of guides available.

Bappers said:
I'm looking to install Android on my Surface RT and have no idea where to start. If anyone has some suggestions I'd be very grateful for the help [emoji4]
I've seen plenty of guides for installing Android X86 however the RT runs on an ARM processor, so not too sure the best way to proceed due to a lack of guides available.
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I don't think it's possible to install android on the Surface RT.

Bappers said:
I'm looking to install Android on my Surface RT and have no idea where to start. If anyone has some suggestions I'd be very grateful for the help
I've seen plenty of guides for installing Android X86 however the RT runs on an ARM processor, so not too sure the best way to proceed due to a lack of guides available.
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You can't install Android on Surface RT.
Anyway, you can use a jailbreak tool and install other apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092158

just install some android emu's under windows .. should be working

solved said:
just install some android emu's under windows .. should be working
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I am afraid that would not work either. The emulators would have to be recompiled for ARM, as there is no such emulator available from the Windows Store (for obvious reasons) and you would then have to Jailbreak the device. Seeing as the hole that we had used to do that was closed by the November update that is not likely. Most of the qualified developers are now focusing efforts into the upcoming ARM64 systems. Now, all of that said there is still a small group of dedicated people working to find a permanent way around SecureBoot. All we can do support them and hope for the best.
You can get more information Here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/wi...dows-phone-windows-10-mobile-surface-t3365743
Important!: If you are not comfortable and 100% confident with any instructions found here DO NOT ATTEMPT IT. Also, if your RT has been updated since November then don't bother, you are out of luck for now.
Cheers!

I have this here that includes all the surface patches I could gather. https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/x86-bliss-x86-pc-s-t3534657

electrikjesus said:
I have this here that includes all the surface patches I could gather. https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/x86-bliss-x86-pc-s-t3534657
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TBH if you were able to do it you would become a hero among us.

areilly111 said:
TBH if you were able to do it you would become a hero among us.
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Then help me out by giving feedback and logs as to what's not working right

electrikjesus said:
Then help me out by giving feedback and logs as to what's not working right
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Currently there is nothing as there is no working port of Android for the surface RT that I know of. Only the surface pro has a port.

areilly111 said:
Currently there is nothing as there is no working port of Android for the surface RT that I know of. Only the surface pro has a port.
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That would be where the confusion is then. I thought this was a thread for the first surface pro. Please excuse my mistake.
Might have to find a surface RT to see if there is anything we can do for it

electrikjesus said:
That would be where the confusion is then. I thought this was a thread for the first surface pro. Please excuse my mistake.
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No problem happens to the best of us.

Note 10 + Dex + Linux On Dex

Hello team,
as a simple Web Developer (Wordpress, React, Node.js and so on) I am completely excited about Linux On Dex possibility. Currently having Samsung Galaxy S9, which has 4gigs of RAM and it is absolutely not enough - so I am waiting for Note 10 so bad!
Anyway, let's get to my question.
Linux on Dex is a fantastic tool for daily use yet it is not perfect (I know, freaking beta!). Do you think with Note 10 official release will be LinuxOnDex app update released as well? Do you have any info from Ubuntu team, if they work on better Ubuntu image for Samsung Galaxy phones?
It would be so disgustingly awesome if I could just run LOD right out of the box.
Please, share your thoughts!
Kind Regards
Jaroslav the 3rd

get a laptop if you want something perfect!

Jaroslav_III said:
Hello team,
as a simple Web Developer (Wordpress, React, Node.js and so on) I am completely excited about Linux On Dex possibility. Currently having Samsung Galaxy S9, which has 4gigs of RAM and it is absolutely not enough - so I am waiting for Note 10 so bad!
Anyway, let's get to my question.
Linux on Dex is a fantastic tool for daily use yet it is not perfect (I know, freaking beta!). Do you think with Note 10 official release will be LinuxOnDex app update released as well? Do you have any info from Ubuntu team, if they work on better Ubuntu image for Samsung Galaxy phones?
It would be so disgustingly awesome if I could just run LOD right out of the box.
Please, share your thoughts!
Kind Regards
Jaroslav the 3rd
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I am half expecting LoD to come preinstalled. There were rumours about it even running wirelessly a while back, now that would be awesome.
One thing i'd really like is for the Linux container to gracefully autostart and stop with the phone outside of Dex, so I could have my DevEnv permanently running on my phone like a portable server. I could then run a MOSH session from my tablet or desktop, as well as through Dex.
ArmadilloTekCase said:
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Care to expand on this comment with something of value?

You can run it wirelessly
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I am half expecting LoD to come preinstalled. There were rumours about it even running wirelessly a while back, now that would be awesome.
One thing i'd really like is for the Linux container to gracefully autostart and stop with the phone outside of Dex, so I could have my DevEnv permanently running on my phone like a portable server. I could then run a MOSH session from my tablet or desktop, as well as through Dex.
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Hey man,
super happy to meet somebody else who is also so much into Linux on Dex. You can run LOD wirelessly through VNC! On youtube there is a video "Linux On Dex Remote" by MRP - check that out -> I have tried this and works for me. Unfortunately, as I said - I have s9 which does not have enough performance for it.
I expect the update quite soon since Tab s6 was released yet LOD was not updated. Will see, will see
Meh, two more weeks and my hands will be holding Note 10+ 512gigs already, can not wait!

Jaroslav_III said:
Hello team,
as a simple Web Developer (Wordpress, React, Node.js and so on) I am completely excited about Linux On Dex possibility. Currently having Samsung Galaxy S9, which has 4gigs of RAM and it is absolutely not enough - so I am waiting for Note 10 so bad!
Anyway, let's get to my question.
Linux on Dex is a fantastic tool for daily use yet it is not perfect (I know, freaking beta!). Do you think with Note 10 official release will be LinuxOnDex app update released as well? Do you have any info from Ubuntu team, if they work on better Ubuntu image for Samsung Galaxy phones?
It would be so disgustingly awesome if I could just run LOD right out of the box.
Please, share your thoughts!
Kind Regards
Jaroslav the 3rd
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Hey what Bluettooth keyboard and mouse are you using via your S9 ? i just had a quick play on my Tab S4 (4GIG RAM) Linux on Dex it ran pretty smooth! Also where does the bottle neck happen i.e run out of ram ? Are you trying to run wordpress locally ? Also i haven't tried Linux on Dex on my Note 9 (6 GiG RAM) i have just ordered Bluetooth mouse the Micrsoft Arc one! Am not sure what Bluetooth keyboard i should get any suggestions!!

Jaroslav_III said:
Hey man,
super happy to meet somebody else who is also so much into Linux on Dex. You can run LOD wirelessly through VNC! On youtube there is a video "Linux On Dex Remote" by MRP - check that out -> I have tried this and works for me. Unfortunately, as I said - I have s9 which does not have enough performance for it.
I expect the update quite soon since Tab s6 was released yet LOD was not updated. Will see, will see
Meh, two more weeks and my hands will be holding Note 10+ 512gigs already, can not wait!
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I ALMOST ordered the 512GB. I even wanted a black phone. But that Aura Glow is just so unique, I had to get it, and it's only available in 256GB. But honestly, I never even came close to using the 512GB on my Note 9 and only got it for more RAM. Now both variants have the same 12GB RAM. I can add a microSD card, and it saved me $100. The more I see videos of the Aura Glow, the happier I am that I pre-ordered that Cole.

Currently LoD app says "Your device is not supported" on Note 10+ :good:

Might not be as simple as it sounds, but has anyone decompiled the APK your talking about to see if its device restriction is in the AndroidManifest file.
Alter to remove restriction and recompile and test. Am not sure about the App your talking about, i cannot find it.

Any news guys? I got Galaxy Note 10 + but I could not make LoD running. Honestly speaking, I'm a bit pissed by the whole DeX experience so far.

Yer best waiting for a updated app, Modified the App to allow it to run on my device. Loaded a container as with the operating system.
But it fails to boot with just a (Please wait) Loading popup and does not move from there. So regardless looks like it needs updating for proper support.

I have sent two emails to the LoD team @ Samsung, and shocker... they have not responded.

Really hope this is available soon for the Note 10. This is the main reason I got this phone to begin with.

Any update on this? Why is samsung silent?

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Any update on this? Why is samsung silent?
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How long do we have to wait to get this *that should have been live on release day!* going?!?

My best guess is that Samsung blocked support for Linux on DeX after getting into bed with Microsoft and that really sucks. The official response from Samsung is "we cannot speculate on when support might become available" and they have marked the support request as "solved". I call B.S.

https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/samsu...beta-1-0-51-android-apk-download/#description
Not sure if this helps anyone. After the APK install just download the image you should be fine.
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Well it looks like the latest APK doesn't like note10! ha just download an older version. From the apkmirror site.
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That doesn't help either

How is linux on dex not compatible with note 10 yet?

Demmetrius said:
How is linux on dex not compatible with note 10 yet?
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Samsung just emailed me:
End of Linux on DeX Beta
Thank you for supporting Linux on DeX Beta. The development of Linux on DeX was all thanks to customer interest and valuable feedback. Unfortunately, we are announcing the end of our beta program, and will no longer provide support on future OS and device releases.
NOTE — Linux on DeX will not be supported on Android 10 Beta. Once you update your device to Android OS 10, you will not be able to perform a version rollback to Android Pie. If you decide to update your device to Android 10 Beta, we recommend backing up data before updating.
Thank you,
The Linux on DeX Team

wm8s said:
Samsung just emailed me:
End of Linux on DeX Beta
Thank you for supporting Linux on DeX Beta. The development of Linux on DeX was all thanks to customer interest and valuable feedback. Unfortunately, we are announcing the end of our beta program, and will no longer provide support on future OS and device releases.
NOTE — Linux on DeX will not be supported on Android 10 Beta. Once you update your device to Android OS 10, you will not be able to perform a version rollback to Android Pie. If you decide to update your device to Android 10 Beta, we recommend backing up data before updating.
Thank you,
The Linux on DeX Team
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Whaaaaaat??? That was the coolest feature of the Galaxy! At least they need to leave the room for developers to create custom containers!