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Note Edge Or S6 Edge?

Hello everyone,
love Note Edge but S6 Edge is nice, what do you think should take? new edge panels do not see, you should wait for the Notes 5 Edge? I fear that it remains experimental.. I do not see developments on the screen edge.
What should I do?

I like my Note Edge too! I seen the post by theverge.com that reported that the S6 wouldn't have a removable battery, no waterproofing, nor a MicoSD slot. I like the development aspect to come but not taking away 2 important functions (SD Memory card and Removable Battery)

Idk definitely take the S6 Edge, but sadly I like my big screen ,5.1 inch doesn't appeal to me.
I also like the fact they used gorilla glass for front and back for looks, but that's it, that's the reason for no removable battery, also more prone to have not just the screen shatter but the entire phone if dropped.

It's purely a matter of personal preference. I listened and watched the live stream on Sunday afternoon on the S6 and S6 Edge and as soon as I confirmed the lack of microSD and how small the S6E screen was, I ordered my Note Edge (which should be arriving via FedEx in any minute ).
Does the S6E look sharp and have some nice features, of course. But I've always wanted a larger screen and IMHO I think the edge is best served with a larger screen since you can't launch apps and favorites from the edge on the S6E (which is important to me). On top of that, on Saturday the Note Edge was $399.99 (which would mean $200 out of pocket for me since my firm reimburses up to $199.99) and on Sunday it was $199.99, so I can wait 11 months for my next upgrade.

I like big screens for myself and the S6 will be very popular anyways so I'll stay big and unique with my Note edge.

Loving my Note Edge. I am concerned about the future of Samsung phones though - the S series is their flagship phone series, and they're getting rid of the removable battery and the micro sd card slot. Is that how Samsung intends to do things from now on? When I pick up a new phone in 2017, I may very well be looking at other brands. I'm not even close to using up the 32GB on my Edge, but I still really don't like the idea of using an Android phone without the option for more space.
LG's looking good though. :]

It seems like the S6 edges are less usable than the Note Edge (they seem to be too narrow for anything useful). For me, it's worth the extra money for the Note Edge even if I only use the App panel and the built in features like phone calls on the Edge.
The Note Edge is about more than that - the S Pen is also great. My cousin who's an artist said that it was really nice for drawing.

Note edge size little big and difficult to keep it in pocket. I think s6 edge would be better choice those who thinking to buy note edge.
I am planning to switch to s6 edge on release.
Galaxy s6 edge lighter and touch fingerprint which I like the most and specially fastest camera.
3 features makes s6 edge worthy.

depends. if you fly overseas, then get note 4 lte-a(international ver, atleast can sell for something later, but no 4g the US) will get s6 edge on contract (unlock of course and can use lte-a in US) then wait for xda hacks to take adv of the egde functions. also it's newer than note edge. this is what I'm doing so it's up to you
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i think the main factors for you to consider
size
is battery and sd card important to you
i think they look both stunning, with the s6 edge being prettier of course but not much and having 2 edge screens.
note edge will be "cheaper" too once the s6e comes out

s6 edge is marvelous, but if you need pen go for note edge.

If the S6 and S6 Edge does well, this may be the end of expandable storage and removable battery on Samsung's high end devices. The S6 Edge looks way better than the note Edge (which i own) in my opinion mainly due to the dual edges which makes the phone look more symmetrical and obviously the high grade materials used makes for a better looking device also, but i briefly used the Nexus 5 and not having a removable battery and a sd card slot was not cool for me. Really gonna miss those 2 items if this is new wave for Samsung devices!

And if aspect Notes Edge 2 with two dual edge???
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/03/03...he-galaxy-note-lineup-says-samsung-executive/

I agree, the real difference is the pen.

Personally I think they are two totally different phones from what I have seen. I have the note edge. To me loosing the removable back and micro SD is a big deal. I don't like not having options. I don't swap batteries throughout the day but when my battery does crap out I want to be able to just replace it myself. I usually don't store a ton of stuff on my phone much less actually require a SD card. But like the iPhone I see this storage options as being a way to get extra money out of people and the fact that whatever u get u are stuck with bothers me. Also the edges aren't actually as big as the notes and I don't think they act like a separate display for notifications. I may be wrong about that one.
But the positives about the 6 is that it looks really nice from what I've seen. Kinda dissapointed the didnt just do the note 4 build with the removable back but it does look really nice. And the wireless charging is a big plus. So like said before I think there isn't really a right or wrong choice. Just a personal preference.
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just got my note edge last week and i'm loving it. for me, the removable battery, micro sd and the s-pen are the sticking points. i use the s-pen a lot and i can't imagine going to a phone without one. i'm sure the s6 is fantastic but i reckon my note edge will be staying with me for quite some time.

jjdavola said:
It's purely a matter of personal preference. I listened and watched the live stream on Sunday afternoon on the S6 and S6 Edge and as soon as I confirmed the lack of microSD and how small the S6E screen was, I ordered my Note Edge (which should be arriving via FedEx in any minute ).
Does the S6E look sharp and have some nice features, of course. But I've always wanted a larger screen and IMHO I think the edge is best served with a larger screen since you can't launch apps and favorites from the edge on the S6E (which is important to me). On top of that, on Saturday the Note Edge was $399.99 (which would mean $200 out of pocket for me since my firm reimburses up to $199.99) and on Sunday it was $199.99, so I can wait 11 months for my next upgrade.
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This is actually exactly what I did lol.

To each there own
So imo the note edge wins hands down.
Bigger screen.
Expanable memory
Removable battery
Better edge. And the s6 doesnt have the edge support of the note edge sonce its so small.
The fact that its not made of glass. (Yes the s6 back is glass)
And the spen. Its 100% great and only the note line has it.

I read this....
2. Features comparison between Galaxy S6 Edge and Galaxy Note Edge
Galaxy S6 Edge Galaxy Note Edge
- Feeds Panel (Only simple feed) - Edge Panel including Feeds Panel
- Expanded App
Use only Feeds Panels to wake up edge screen. Always use Edge Panels
Aspect Note 5 Edge or buy Note Edge

Note Edge
Samsung has confirmed the dual edges on the s6 edge will not have the separate screen function that the note edge has, they are merely for aesthetics. IMO no point in having the edge display without the edge function.
Lacks removable battery and SD card slot. i really really really really do not ever see myself using a phone that does not have the micro SD slot. I do use a lot of space on my phones. and on top of that all that downloading and surfing and gaming on the phone and i am not allowed to use an extended battery? i am really big on buying the aftermarket larger batteries so my phone lasts longer on a single charge.
and lastly, no S-Pen. the S-Pen brings a whole new level of awesome to your phone, it is a lot more precise than using your fingers for selecting text, or light to moderate photo editing. I use the Photoshop Touch app on my phones and tablets a lot, and the pen just makes it so much easier to edit that i couldn't see myself going back to a phone without it.
and trust me once you get a taste of the edge functions and the all new level of multitasking the second screen gives you on the note edge you will be hooked too. there is a lot more that the notes do that i couldn't do on my S4 or other S series, or even on my Motorola phones i used to use. (R.I.P. Droid Bionc, <3 u 4E)

Whats with the Verizon Note Edge?

I just got this a few days ago and I notice its lacking a lot. There is no development for it? No lollipop update either? Is there even root for it? What's going on? Should I swap it out for an s6 while im still within my 15 days of activation?

Not a lot of development for any note edge. Sorry. Sprint and att are the only 2 of the big 4 in the us updated. I havent tried to re root but i read it is the same process and doable. My bud has the t mobile and still waiting on the 5.0 update for his edge. Just wasnt a very well advertised phone. With the s6 edge doing so good the next note edge should take off a lot better and will have much more development. It is what it is man
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The s6 edge was way over advertised, and opposite for the note. Which sucks because I don't think the s6 is beer in any way, shape, or form.

Id say stick with the Edge it has more features than the s6 in my opinion and development for the edge will pick up

I can't wait lol

bunglebp said:
Id say stick with the Edge it has more features than the s6 in my opinion and development for the edge will pick up
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Boy i sure hope so. I agree the note edge is superior from the s6 edge. S6 has a nice build and all and the built in wireless charging is a big plus for it. I just hope the next note versions dont go losing the removable back and micro sd slot. They got to get the wireless charging built in i would hope.
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Wireless charging is easy to acquire though, the s6 will never have an s pen, removable battery, or sd slot.

Nickdroid86 said:
I just got this a few days ago and I notice its lacking a lot. There is no development for it? No lollipop update either? Is there even root for it? What's going on? Should I swap it out for an s6 while im still within my 15 days of activation?
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I think you are better off getting the s6. The note 5 will released in in 5 months, and the resell value of the s6 will be greater than the note edge. Also once Samsung pay drops that will be a huge deal, better fingerprint scanner, camera, and screen. Yes you lose removable battery but I've swapped out my note 2,3,4 & edge battery probably a total of 10 times. You can completely charge the s6 in 80 minutes. As for sd card slot there's a ton of work arounds, get 128gb version, cloud, buy a portable keychain sd card. The s6 will get much more attention, the note edge was samsung prototype.... I'll tried you my mint condition note edge +100 for an s6 edge anyday
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That makes no sense though, there's no realistic detail that makes the s6 better other than popularity. You can't even use the edges on the s6 got anything productive.

Nickdroid86 said:
That makes no sense though, there's no realistic detail that makes the s6 better other than popularity. You can't even use the edges on the s6 got anything productive.
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Exactly my thoughts! seems like Samsung went backwards with the S6, reminds me of a Google Nexus or dare I say Iphone, Samsung lost its key features on the S6 that made Samsung phones popular

Well, I have a week left on my 14 day trial with Verizon to swap out my note for something else. I really like it, but if there's something better out there I could be stuck with for a couple years.

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Wireless charging is easy to acquire though, the s6 will never have an s pen, removable battery, or sd slot.
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Yes but i think it should be there out of the box is all i meant.
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The Verizon Note Edge is unlikely to see any development, from what I've seen. The locked bootloader is apparently a real problem.
An important thing to keep in mind here is that the Note Edge sold 600,000 units worldwide. The S6 and the S6 Edge sold 20 million units in preorders alone.
There just aren't enough of these devices in the hands of people knowledgeable enough to develop for them. It's sad, but there isn't much that can be done about it.

rapdactyl said:
The Verizon Note Edge is unlikely to see any development, from what I've seen. The locked bootloader is apparently a real problem.
An important thing to keep in mind here is that the Note Edge sold 600,000 units worldwide. The S6 and the S6 Edge sold 20 million units in preorders alone.
There just aren't enough of these devices in the hands of people knowledgeable enough to develop for them. It's sad, but there isn't much that can be done about it.
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From what I understand it was 630,000 units over 2 months ago. Due to quite a few reasons though. Mainly, it was meant to be an expensive limited edition device not available to too many areas. Also because the regular note 4 had sold 4.5 million devices in less than a month, right before the edges release. I think we'll see the edge pickup big time, because everyone is getting familiar with the s6 edge, they're going to eventually realize, the note edge is a bigger, more functional version of that, with an s pen and a fully usable edge. I think it's going to be one of those devices that become more popular once people realize what it is.

Nickdroid86 said:
From what I understand it was 630,000 units over 2 months ago. Due to quite a few reasons though. Mainly, it was meant to be an expensive limited edition device not available to too many areas. Also because the regular note 4 had sold 4.5 million devices in less than a month, right before the edges release. I think we'll see the edge pickup big time, because everyone is getting familiar with the s6 edge, they're going to eventually realize, the note edge is a bigger, more functional version of that, with an s pen and a fully usable edge. I think it's going to be one of those devices that become more popular once people realize what it is.
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They should sell the Note Edge as a "limited edition" and number them! :good: It will either hold its value better because it is unique and limited or it will be so limited as to have no interest at all...

galaxy s6 would you still buy it?

Hi. I´m thinking on getting a new phone. What i use more beside the call´s Is this the camera and the musid app.
Is this the one i should buy or is there a better option right now? Would you still buy yours?
Im thinking of getting the regular s6, because of the form factor. Not a huge fan of phablets...
thanks.

fumiga said:
Hi. I´m thinking on getting a new phone. What i use more beside the call´s Is this the camera and the musid app.
Is this the one i should buy or is there a better option right now? Would you still buy yours?
Im thinking of getting the regular s6, because of the form factor. Not a huge fan of phablets...
thanks.
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The galaxy s6 edge is still the best phone on the market. I would recommend it over any other phone. With a hundred dollar price cut it is even better. I bought the edge variant because it feels more compact and has a slightly larger battery. I recommend you go for that one.

After almost five months using my S6, I still recommended any time now.

no, the only reason i won't buy it is because the NOTE 5 is out....and for me it's tiny bit better because of the screen size and battery....that's the only reason....as a phone the S6 is the closest to perfect after the note 5...

S6 is still best in the market
S6/note5/edge+
Those are the best phones nowdays
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The s6 is one of the few phones with solid updates and lots of features that are useful. Now if the Sony phones have an IR blaster and multi-window feature then I would recommend those when they come out and not have any daily driver breaking flaw.
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Which to buy? S7 or S7E+

Hey guys I'm going to preorder my Phone today.
I'm just so indecisive on which one I should get. I went from the Note 3 to iPhone 6 Plus. I want to get back to my Sammy but I don't know which one to get.
What bothers me about the edge is the, well, edge part. It's bigger yet I feel like the sharp corners don't give u a good grip. On the positive side it's a bigger display.
The regular S7 looks to be much better of a feel on the hands.
What do u guys think? Am I being too hard on the edge or do some of you feel the same way.
Oh one last thing. I feel it would be a lot easier to break the edge screen.
Thanks
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Well sounds like you want the regular S7.
I had my hands in both and both feel comfortable in hand but the S7 feels better in my opinion. Don't really care for the edge.
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im in the same vote as you i preordered both devices , i have the reg s6 atm , the edge never apealed to me , i though tit looked cool but as for usefullness i find the edge gimmicky however seeing as how the reg s7 is curved on the back already and me wanting a larger screen and bigger battery i am taking the plunge and going edge version for this s7 upgrade , i always use a flygrip on the case of any device i have so holding it inst a problem . and the edge features can be disabled if needed.

Thank you both for your inputs. I'm gonna order the S7 non edge. Enjoy your devices guys.
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Hit up BestBuy and give them both a try and see which feels better, S7 Edge might feel like a bad grip because of the screen but it isn't, you can also add a case and get a better grip no worries.

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Hit up BestBuy and give them both a try and see which feels better, S7 Edge might feel like a bad grip because of the screen but it isn't, you can also add a case and get a better grip no worries.
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That's a great idea. That way I get a hands on before buying. Thanks
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That's a great idea. That way I get a hands on before buying. Thanks
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Exactly, I was settled for the S7 but then I gave them a try at BB and liked the S7 Edge better cause of the looks, bigger battery and the screen is bigger but doesn't feel as big as a 6 inch phone.

Well guys I completely fell off the wagon. I ended up getting the Note 5 32GB instead. I went to the T-Mobile store and felt much happier using the Note than the S7 or S7 Edge.
Don't get me wrong I was much impressed with the S7 but before leaving to an iPhone I was a note 3 user. Probably one of my favorite devices of all time to be honest. Anywho the important part is that im back with Samsung and Android.

roketteere said:
Well guys I completely fell off the wagon. I ended up getting the Note 5 32GB instead. I went to the T-Mobile store and felt much happier using the Note than the S7 or S7 Edge.
Don't get me wrong I was much impressed with the S7 but before leaving to an iPhone I was a note 3 user. Probably one of my favorite devices of all time to be honest. Anywho the important part is that im back with Samsung and Android.
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I had the note 5 and my battery was terrible. I'm a power user. I upgraded to the edge just for the battery and have been satisfied since day one. Plus the development on the note 5 really slowed down.

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I had the note 5 and my battery was terrible. I'm a power user. I upgraded to the edge just for the battery and have been satisfied since day one. Plus the development on the note 5 really slowed down.
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With the current ROM and Kernel my battery life is great IMO

I had the edge and I returned it for the s7 and I'll tell you why. It's basically the only thing that bothered me... The edge function is nice, but the edge screen and it's shortcut thing has 0 use for any other app at all, and it makes the other apps really weird looking to me. Instagram for instance, the picture is warped around both sides and drove me crazy. Nothing else is meant to be viewed with 10 percent of the screen warped on the sides. Facebook the same thing. Even some buttons like the like button or whatever would be half on the bent edge, so you would have to hit them on the corner and it just bothered the crap out of me. That's just my thoughts obviously, but I couldn't deal. It was such a relief to have the s7 screen after that.

I have had both versions and US (Tmo) and International. I have to Say International (Exynos) regular is the one to go with. It's simply amazing ! I got better battery and gaming performance and ......... NO carrier BLOATWARE ! SM-G930F is the model number I have. Also It's rootable (not sure as of right now if US models are) but in future they may be as well.
Good luck !

I watched a lot of videos and read a lots of articles and reviews before I decided that I want a new Samsung phone and I thought that S7 would be the right choice for me. But then when I went to the local store and put my hands on both of S7 and S7E I just completely changed my mind for S7E.
Initially I had only one concern for S7E that it is too big but it is turned out tahat actually it is not as big as and having edges making this phone really nice and easier to use plus it has bigger battery than S7.
So my suggestion would be if you have Samsung store somewhere around just go in and physically touch both of the phones and play around a bit this way you can make proper decision. No one else can make it for you.
Good luck with your choice! :good:

Note 5 or S7 Edge?

Hey guys, been a long time XDA user, looking for input. I have never owned a Samsung device so I am completely new here. I came from a LG G4 that I loved it but wireless charging just melts down after 30-60 days and starts refusing to charge wirelessly. After 6 replacements I am here. My last one also had wireless connection issues.
The S7 Edge looked to be the best 1-to-1 match with screen size/features so thats what I had my mind on. Verizon recommended we swap for a different device and offered me a Note 5 64gb (because of no SD storage). So the Note 5 should be here in a few days.
BUT my mind was focused on the S7 Edge so I just went out and bought a S7 Edge on impulse, full price (thinking I would sell the Note 5 to recoop my money).
After seeing and playing with both, now I am kind of torn. The rounded edges actually feel nice to scroll off of. I think the edge apps have already lost my interest. I used to use "Side Bar" as a quick launcher and eventually just stopped using it.
Being new to Samsung, I semi know about the SPen and some of its features. The Note 5 is also the same width as my G4, so size isn't a factor here. In fact because of the rounded edges, the S7 Edge feels narrower/smaller than my LG G4.
Is there really anything the Note 5 can't do that the S7 Edge can? Not really concerned with waterproof or SD card. How is the Note 5 processor? The SD820 is probably a little faster but both are plenty fast IMO.
I'd be interested in hearing any FORs and AGAINSTs. I can keep either device right now, what would you choose?

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Hey guys, been a long time XDA user, looking for input. I have never owned a Samsung device so I am completely new here. I came from a LG G4 that I loved it but wireless charging just melts down after 30-60 days and starts refusing to charge wirelessly. After 6 replacements I am here. My last one also had wireless connection issues.
The S7 Edge looked to be the best 1-to-1 match with screen size/features so thats what I had my mind on. Verizon recommended we swap for a different device and offered me a Note 5 64gb (because of no SD storage). So the Note 5 should be here in a few days.
BUT my mind was focused on the S7 Edge so I just went out and bought a S7 Edge on impulse, full price (thinking I would sell the Note 5 to recoop my money).
After seeing and playing with both, now I am kind of torn. The rounded edges actually feel nice to scroll off of. I think the edge apps have already lost my interest. I used to use "Side Bar" as a quick launcher and eventually just stopped using it.
Being new to Samsung, I semi know about the SPen and some of its features. The Note 5 is also the same width as my G4, so size isn't a factor here. In fact because of the rounded edges, the S7 Edge feels narrower/smaller than my LG G4.
Is there really anything the Note 5 can't do that the S7 Edge can? Not really concerned with waterproof or SD card. How is the Note 5 processor? The SD820 is probably a little faster but both are plenty fast IMO.
I'd be interested in hearing any FORs and AGAINSTs. I can keep either device right now, what would you choose?
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I ended up going with the S7 Edge because of the faster processor, better low light shots with the camera and larger battery. Surprisingly I like the curved screen witch is something I thought I wouldn't. The two phones are top notch so you can't really go wrong with either. My wife has my Note 5 because I really don't want to let it go and she likes it so it makes little sense to get rid of it. The S-Pen isn't of much use for me but I do like the larger screen and excellent camera. Depending on what the Note 6 turns out to be I might go with that but for now it's the edge for me.

Yeah for me it really boils down to pen and screen. I am kind of leaning toward keeping the Note 5 and returning the 7E. I just didn't know if I would lose any software features like themes or something.
I am finding my palms are also tapping the screen and doing stuff with the S7E when I am typing or browsing. I have a hard time holding it without the screen going crazy. I just switched hands and it posted this and opened my Messenger chat head. Lol.

to me expandable storage is big. I have Note 5, i am waiting for Note 6 with expandable storage to get. I would say the s-pen is good but not a big deal. I do like taking notes with s-pen.
Unless s-pen is a must, i think sd card and water resistant is big deal for everyday use.

32gb has always been fine for a mobile. I complained about no SD storage though, which is why they gave me the 64gb version.
The waterproofing is cool but I don't plan on having it in water. Underwater pics are cool though. I have a hauwei watch for pool fun.

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Yeah for me it really boils down to pen and screen. I am kind of leaning toward keeping the Note 5 and returning the 7E. I just didn't know if I would lose any software features like themes or something.
I am finding my palms are also tapping the screen and doing stuff with the S7E when I am typing or browsing. I have a hard time holding it without the screen going crazy. I just switched hands and it posted this and opened my Messenger chat head. Lol.
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Themes will still be there, the only things you lose are the S-Pen related apps. I see what you mean about the accidental screen taps. I haven't used a case in a couple of days and it's pretty annoying especially when I'm trying to take a picture and open up the gallery. I had to return my Otterbox commuter because it kept ripping off my Zagg screen protectors. Hopefully my new case will be better when I get it tomorrow. It sounds like the Note is a better choice for you. I can always switch with my wife if I want.

I just wanted to chime in about picking between the note 5 and s7 edge. When I bought the note 5 last year, I had to live with no sd card and no removable battery. I can fast charge wireless and hard line as well. I don't really use the s pen as much as before. My previous phone, the note 3 i did. I dunno really, cause my wants and needs are different than everyone else. It some time for me to actually LOVE my new note 5, because I was used to having sdcard/removable battery on the note 3. The build quality is very nice on both phones. All metal, beautiful glass and both have marshnallow. My brother actually has a s7, he just got it a few ago and I bought my note 5 last year November.
I used to be a flash aholic on the note 3. We had recovery, roms and root. So after 2 years of being spoiled, I had to finally let go and move from that kind of want or need. Does that make sense? I realzied that I had give up the flashing game, because of the devices getting more difficult to Root. Specificllay Verizon and the Note series phones. So I when it was time to upgrade last year, I gave up the note 3, decided that I can live with the no sd card and non removable battery and said hello to pure awesome sexiness design of the note 5.
Nowadays, I dont find myself waiting on roms to be dropped. Constantly pressing f5 f5 f5 f5 and refresh to see when it dropped. But that was my choice. No more living with compromises, because a rom worked with this app and sor of didnt work with there other apps. If the s7 edge is constantly on your mind and boggling your curisoity, why not get one? From the few days I was able to play with my brother's s7. It feels nice in the hand, Smooth nice edges, good low light camera fast and snappy processor makes it smooth to operate.
Since I gave up on flashing roms, I just wanted a phone that I can use social media, so I can keep contact with my girlfriend. Facebook, instragram, snapchat, twitter, facebook messnger and facebook videocat oh and make phone calls/send text messages to her as well. I found that my note 5 can do these things with no problem what so ever. Well, sorry for being so long and best of luck on picking between the note 5 and s7 edge.

Yea I am thinking of keeping the note5 and returning the 7E. Memory and waterproofing aren't important to me. The Edge is starting to drive me crazy because you can't hold on to it without touching the edge screen. This causes other inputs to be unresponsive.

player911 said:
Yea I am thinking of keeping the note5 and returning the 7E. Memory and waterproofing aren't important to me. The Edge is starting to drive me crazy because you can't hold on to it without touching the edge screen. This causes other inputs to be unresponsive.
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I might be returning mine too and go back to the Note 5. I got my new case today and this one is screwing with my screen protector too. This is my 2nd edge and never had this much screen protector problems on the many phones I have had. Totally frustrating. With that said I think you are better off with your Note 5...

I owned a LG G2x that had a curved screen like the Edge7 and remember that the screen protector issue was a big one. I stopped using screen protectors years ago though. With the Edge7 I would be cautious but I never planned on using a SP.