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just spotted this
http://www.qiwireless.com/toshiba-starting-production-faster-wireless-charging-chip/
Wireless charging at wired speeds. I am avoiding wireless charging due to the slow speed of it but if this thing works I wont need to avoid it anymore.
When available, would this work with an S5? It says it uses Qi as "its base for wireless charging". This is unclear to me, does this mean it is a Qi charger or that it simply uses some Qi stuff and then goes beyond it to provide the extra power, so it isnt actually Qi at all (if Qi is a standard then I assume this new thing doesn't confirm to that standard and so it isnt Qi, in which case it wont work with existing Qi devices?)?
What I would also like to know is does this new chip need to be in the phone itself, or would the chip they talk about be inside the back cover, or in the charging pad? Obviously if the phone itself needs to support this specific chip then its not going to be any good for s5 users, but if it is independent of anything in the phone and work would on an s5 then it may be worth waiting for it, it is apparently already in mass production so should be around soon I guess.
Based on the (albeit limited) numbers they provide in the article, it appears this is still a low-power Qi spec device like the ones we have today, which have a maximum output of 5W.
The wireless charging integrated chip will be following the Qi wireless charging standard as its base for wireless charging, which is great since this is currently the most used wireless charging standard for current devices. Along with this, the chip will be able to have a maximum output of 5 watts, which is comparable to a wired charger.
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Unfortunately they say nothing about how this would differ from your run of the mill ebay Qi solution.
Mathematically (which admittedly is not my forte), if we assume "Wired" charging rate is 1800mA, 5W @ 5V requires 9W to hit 1800ma, which is outside the low-power Qi spec.
Then it is even more confusing as the entire article seems to be suggesting that it will charge at the same rates as wired chargers and much faster than current Qi systems.
Standard wired charging rate is 1amp, at 5v that is 5w
So if the new induction/wireless charger can supply 5w that means it will supply 1amp which is the same as wired
These will be roughly the same charging speeds
by the way, if you look at the charger your phone came with it clearly says "5.3V and 2A" so no the wireless charging will not compare to the conventional wired charging using your stock charger
cpgifford said:
by the way, if you look at the charger your phone came with it clearly says "5.3V and 2A" so no the wireless charging will not compare to the conventional wired charging using your stock charger
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This is correct, sorry should of also made my post more clear
5v 1amp is most common on many devices now and the qi statement relates to many devices so technically what they say is right BUT now some devices including the S5 do use slightly higher voltages and some draw more current now meaning wireless charging on our device will not be as good as wired BUT for most people that simply charge overnight it will make no difference
Those that charge overnight wireless charging will be perfect
Those that excessively use their phone and need as much charge as possible in short periods/quick charges throughout the day etc should use wired charging
Any good powerbank out there. At least a 10000 mah above.
To be able to use fast charging feature in Note 4.
Actually that sounds like it would be really cool if it exists, I'd also be interested in knowing if there's a powerbank that supports quick charge. I've held off on picking up a powerbank for a while now, but if something like this is even possible it would probably get me interested, it'd be pretty awesome to be able to just plug in to a backup battery and have it charge up the phone with quickcharge speed ;P I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's not possible though... Anyone know?
Think the dual voltage 5 and 9 volt needed for quickcharge wil be a problem to design a powerbank with a feature like that. I don't say it's impossible but probably won't be cheap or small formfacfor
Yea. Is cool if fast charge powerbank then bring out to fast charge note 4. Lol.
There is this compact power bank (and it supports quick charging itself within 3 hours - via 2.1A input - at least on paper)
APE MP5200Q on Alibaba (not aliexpress)
Weight: 132g
Input: 5V/2.2A
Outport: 5V/3.5A,9V/1.5A,12V/1.5A
3 output ports: 2 USB ports and 1 built-in micro USB cable
Over-charge/discharge, over-current,short protection
Quick Charge output port: output 9V/1.5A or 12V/1.5A on Quick Charge state
Battery Cell type: Samsung Li-ion 18650
Quick charge 2.0: Class A
and it looks good too!
the only missing thing to make it a perfect power bank, would be 15W wireless charging capability...
Please everyone do say what Power bank you have
& how much time does it take to fully charge a Drained battery
So we know which charges how many times, Once or twice or more ....
Thank you all
I have aukey quick charge the silver 10400mah model its charge lg g4 same as qc2.0 wall charger I have mah meter
I also have an aukey but the PB-T2 model 12000mAh. Have quick charge USB outlet and also a normal 1A USB outlet. Has a 2A microusb input for charging an a so-so LED light built in. A bit heavy and slightly longer than the Note 4 in size. Cons: I would have preferred a 2.1A instead of the 1A USB outlet for fast charging other non quick charge devices.
yosef019 said:
I have aukey quick charge the silver 10400mah model its charge lg g4 same as qc2.0 wall charger I have mah meter
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As above Aukey Quick Charge 2.0 external battery packs are pretty good. They do them in different sizes and go above 10000mah
BlitzWolf looks good.
banggood.com are doing pre order, to be sent out 20th November.
From a store rep..
We use the newer chip FP6600 that not only supports QC but also standard fast charging, the Aukey does charge at QC speeds with their THY100 but will not fast charge other devices such as your iPhone at fast speeds. BlitzWolf's newer IC provides compatibility beyond just QC devices. The battery of the BlitzWolf is is LG and also of a higher standard than Aukeys domestic Chinese brand batteries. In terms of safety and compatibility this is one step ahead of Aukeys 6 month old version.
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Use coupon "12blitzw" for 12% off.. (Don't know when it ends)
I am using Aukey Power Bank with 15000maH.
Supports Quick Charge and PowerBank itself charges as Quick Charging.
jianrong said:
Any good powerbank out there. At least a 10000 mah above.
To be able to use fast charging feature in Note 4.
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Hmm... we have Note 4's a removable battery is more compact and supports quick charge. Just have to get a battery charger that supports it. There would also be less power loss because it would be more efficient than transferring energy from one battery to another. Just my opinion.
Hi guys,
I want to buy a extra charger for my 6P at work. I am wondering what specs should I be looking for for the quick charging capability? The google store has one that is 15W and another one that is higher. I don't know which one to choose, also, I want to see if I can buy any 3rd party one from Amazon that can give me quick charging.
Thanks!
I would stick with the one sold by Google until 3rd parties make one similarly specced. 5v / 3a / 15ww, USB type C plug.
https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_charger
I think everyone has the same questions regarding chargers and cables. It's probably best to try and get by with what's in the box for a bit, I'm sure affordable choices will soon be available.
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I think everyone has the same questions regarding chargers and cables. It's probably best to try and get by with what's in the box for a bit, I'm sure affordable choices will soon be available.
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There are 2 options now from Google, but I wouldn't call them cheap. I bought the $40 dual port charger for my bag because it seems nice, and if it sucks I can easily send it back.
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There are 2 options now from Google, but I wouldn't call them cheap. I bought the $40 dual port charger for my bag because it seems nice, and if it sucks I can easily send it back.
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On one review video it had "faster charging" at the bottom of the screen when the native usb-c was being used.
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On one review video it had "faster charging" at the bottom of the screen when the native usb-c was being used.
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Well yeah that's to be expected because Type-C supports fast charging.
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Well yeah that's to be expected because Type-C supports fast charging.
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I've always agreed with you on that. I'm wondering if people will see the same result w/o using the supplied usb-c charger.
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I've always agreed with you on that. I'm wondering if people will see the same result w/o using the supplied usb-c charger.
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Unless it supports 3A at 5V then probably not. any QC 2.0 charger will only output 2.0A at most for 5V so that's not fast charging.
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Unless it supports 3A at 5V then probably not. any QC 2.0 charger will only output 2.0A at most for 5V so that's not fast charging.
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Sure, I'm just wondering what will happen with the phone as well as total charge time differential.
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Sure, I'm just wondering what will happen with the phone as well as total charge time differential.
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At least 33% longer just look at the OP2 it takes 3hrs
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At least 33% longer just look at the OP2 it takes 3hrs
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Huh.... http://forums.androidcentral.com/ne...s-get-some-questions-going-3.html#post4759473
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Huh.... http://forums.androidcentral.com/nexus-6p/596702-i-ve-got-nexus-6p-here-lets-get-some-questions-going-3.html#post4759473
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I don't think he understood the question? I would wait for a clearer answer
Won't it work with any Qualcomm QC 2.0 power adapter (outputting 5, 9 and 12V) and with a suitable USB-C lead? I am hoping that will be the case anyway, as I've got two QC 2.0 adapters for home and 1 car charger adapter. Should keep me covered, and all I'll need to do is buy new USB-C cables.
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I don't think he understood the question? I would wait for a clearer answer
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He answered it below... That was with a QC2.0 charger giving him "2A" input according to Android OS.
Basically the phone shows "faster charging" when anything higher amperage gets used, not just native usb-c. The speed it charges is obviously not the same, but at least it utilizes a higher rate.
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He answered it below... That was with a QC2.0 charger giving him "2A" input according to Android OS.
Basically the phone shows "faster charging" when anything higher amperage gets used, not just native usb-c. The speed it charges is obviously not the same, but at least it utilizes a higher rate.
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I didn't see the 2A part just the fast charging. That's better than nothing but still not technically fast charging
New article that helps answer the question...somewhat:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-nexus-5x-quick-charge/
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Well yeah that's to be expected because Type-C supports fast charging.
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Assuming 15W is considered Fast Charging, then Type C has nothing to do with it. Current QC 2.0 chargers pump 18W via Type A to Micro B cables.
It is the limited design of the 6P that requires a Type C end to end solution (or captive charger) to permit fast charging. A little more thoughtful design choices would have allowed 18W via a Type A to Type C cable in the same way as the QC chargers operate by over charging a stupid cable or by respecting USB Power Delivery at 12V/1.5A in a smart cable solution.
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Assuming 15W is considered Fast Charging, then Type C has nothing to do with it. Current QC 2.0 chargers pump 18W via Type A to Micro B cables.
It is the limited design of the 6P that requires a Type C end to end solution (or captive charger) to permit fast charging. A little more thoughtful design choices would have allowed 18W via a Type A to Type C cable in the same way as the QC chargers operate by over charging a stupid cable or by respecting USB Power Delivery at 12V/1.5A in a smart cable solution.
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It can't go over 5V we have been over this before... So yes the Type-C doesn't affect the charging but the pin layout and chip only supports 5V from what has been seen so far.
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It can't go over 5V we have been over this before... So yes the Type-C doesn't affect the charging but the pin layout and chip only supports 5V from what has been seen so far.
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I concur, but it is important to dispel the marketing nonsense that Type C some how represents a "Fast Charging" solution. It is a connector and would have supported much better "Fast Charging" solutions than a steady state 5V solution. It will perform very well from 0% charge, but will lag higher voltage solutions at the other end of the charging cycle.
dwswager said:
I concur, but it is important to dispel the marketing nonsense that Type C some how represents a "Fast Charging" solution. It is a connector and would have supported much better "Fast Charging" solutions than a steady state 5V solution. It will perform very well from 0% charge, but will lag higher voltage solutions at the other end of the charging cycle.
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Sorry, this is not true. The higher voltage of the power delivery has no effect on charging speed given the same total power. This is especially true at the top end of the battery SOC where the charge rate is limited by the battery chemistry.
Basically, when the charger is unplugged, the adapter runs in 5V mode, which is safe and good. But when the tablet is connected, then it is upgraded to 9V mode. any USB devices connected with a splitter on the charger wire will receive 9V also! This near doubling of voltage could cause devices to be fried, so make sure your Huawei power adapter isn't powering any hubs!!
YouTube demo video coming soon, overvolting a fan!
Good catch!
Thanks for sharing.
I thought charges and/or device ports had a regulator to control input voltage?
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Good catch!
Thanks for sharing.
I thought charges and/or device ports had a regulator to control input voltage?
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Most electronics with a USB port will only be rated for say 5v, or maybe 6v to allow for naughty USB power supplies. 9v is nearly double 5v, and on sensitive low-tech chargers, like resistive ones that charge 18650 or whatever, you could expose the battery to a much higher voltage than what it should have, which could cause an explosion or whatever. I used a fan since it should be able to handle the extra voltage quite happily.
What do you mean fan?
Used a fan to cool what?
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Basically, when the charger is unplugged, the adapter runs in 5V mode, which is safe and good. But when the tablet is connected, then it is upgraded to 9V mode. any USB devices connected with a splitter on the charger wire will receive 9V also! This near doubling of voltage could cause devices to be fried, so make sure your Huawei power adapter isn't powering any hubs!!
YouTube demo video coming soon, overvolting a fan!
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There is not problem at all. Qualcomm charge technology and USB 3.1 do the same. The charger and the device negotiate what voltage they want to send the same power but less current (more efficient). You are not supposed to o what you did, it your fault and not from Huawei.
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There is not problem at all. Qualcomm charge technology and USB 3.1 do the same. The charger and the device negotiate what voltage they want to send the same power but less current (more efficient). You are not supposed to o what you did, it your fault and not from Huawei.
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what I was getting at is that if you were to use a splitter, like I did, then be careful, as the voltage might raise. This is not a concern most of the time, but it's good to just be careful.
My OnePlus 5T and it's dash charging only works when these 3 conditions are satisfied:
Dash charger
Stock OnePlus lead
Nothing else plugged in
otherwise it will default down to normal. It's a shame that this didn't happen on the Huawei charger, but hopefully this means that it will be easier for implementation for powerbanks, I can't find any dash charge power banks. And also apparently Huawei phones usually play nice with other chargers. (USB-C power delivery I'm not sure on this device).
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what I was getting at is that if you were to use a splitter, like I did, then be careful, as the voltage might raise. This is not a concern most of the time, but it's good to just be careful.
My OnePlus 5T and it's dash charging only works when these 3 conditions are satisfied:
Dash charger
Stock OnePlus lead
Nothing else plugged in
otherwise it will default down to normal. It's a shame that this didn't happen on the Huawei charger, but hopefully this means that it will be easier for implementation for powerbanks, I can't find any dash charge power banks. And also apparently Huawei phones usually play nice with other chargers. (USB-C power delivery I'm not sure on this device).
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I am just annoyed that Huawei do not use QC or USB-PD standards and I must use their charge to charge fast. I do not mind the 9v as my QC devices charges fast on the Huawei charger but not the other way round, forcing me to either change all my chargers or carry an extra charger.
Not sure if you are talking about FCP for in or out of powerbank, I have a Tronsmart powerbank that supports both QC3 and FCP out. It also supports QC in, which means it MAY charge faster with the Huawei's stock charger. I had not tested it that way yet but I think it should as the Huawei charger charges my other QC devices at QC speed.
Tronsmart Presto Power bank:
https://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-presto-10000mah-quick-charge-3-0-power-bank
Note that their own specifications regarding the input is incorrect, this picture shows the actual specifications behind the device, which shows it can take [email protected] in.
https://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/tronsmart-presto-3.jpg
Also refer to my thread from a while back discussing FCP and QC.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-m5/help/m5-quick-charge-t3822277
alvinlwh said:
I am just annoyed that Huawei do not use QC or USB-PD standards and I must use their charge to charge fast. I do not mind the 9v as my QC devices charges fast on the Huawei charger but not the other way round, forcing me to either change all my chargers or carry an extra charger.
Not sure if you are talking about FCP for in or out of powerbank, I have a Tronsmart powerbank that supports both QC3 and FCP out. It also supports QC in, which means it MAY charge faster with the Huawei's stock charger. I had not tested it that way yet but I think it should as the Huawei charger charges my other QC devices at QC speed.
Tronsmart Presto Power bank:
https://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-presto-10000mah-quick-charge-3-0-power-bank
Note that their own specifications regarding the input is incorrect, this picture shows the actual specifications behind the device, which shows it can take [email protected] in.
https://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/tronsmart-presto-3.jpg
Also refer to my thread from a while back discussing FCP and QC.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-m5/help/m5-quick-charge-t3822277
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I know your trouble, I have a OP5t, and that charges at 7.5W from my Huawei charger, when it can charge at 20W using dash charger, my mediapad charges at 10W from the dash charger, out of 18w capability. I do look silly carrying round two chargers with the same plug on them!!
Yeah no dash charger power bank, at least there is a Huawei FCP one like you said, I might get that as my next one, but I've got a lovely EC technologies powerbank, and that only does 10W no matter what, shame really as it is 82whr (massive!).
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I know your trouble, I have a OP5t, and that charges at 7.5W from my Huawei charger, when it can charge at 20W using dash charger, my mediapad charges at 10W from the dash charger, out of 18w capability. I do look silly carrying round two chargers with the same plug on them!!
Yeah no dash charger power bank, at least there is a Huawei FCP one like you said, I might get that as my next one, but I've got a lovely EC technologies powerbank, and that only does 10W no matter what, shame really as it is 82whr (massive!).
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Luckily (for me at least!), I do not normally carry my M5 around and therefore do not need quick charge on it. Even if taken on holiday, it can charge overnight in the hotel. However this put me off Huawei (and OnePlue, Oppo and any other brands that do not use QC standards) for my future purchase.
Wow, I didn't realize how bad this bites. MediaPad was my first QC3 device. Used it's charger in my bedroom. Then got a LG v35 QC3 phone last week to replace old Nexus 6P (USB C-PD). So excited to see the Huawei charger fast-charging both devices. So irritating to now realize that the LG QC3 charger won't fast charge the M5!
And Huawei is using a proprietary QC3 charging mechanism? ie. are there any compatible chargers on Amazon or only the charger from Huawei will fast charge the M5?
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Wow, I didn't realize how bad this bites. MediaPad was my first QC3 device. Used it's charger in my bedroom. Then got a LG v35 QC3 phone last week to replace old Nexus 6P (USB C-PD). So excited to see the Huawei charger fast-charging both devices. So irritating to now realize that the LG QC3 charger won't fast charge the M5!
And Huawei is using a proprietary QC3 charging mechanism? ie. are there any compatible chargers on Amazon or only the charger from Huawei will fast charge the M5?
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Sorry, Huawei does not use QC standards but their own FCP/SCP instead. QC chargers will not fast charge Huawei gear but Huawei charger MAY charge QC gear fast.
So if I plug my M5 into a standard QC3.0 charger (9v I think), does it at least charge somewhat faster than a standard, non-QC charger? I would assume so. And are they're any 3rd party fasxt chargers compatible w/Huawei's dumbarse proprietary QC3 charging?
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So if I plug my M5 into a standard QC3.0 charger (9v I think), does it at least charge somewhat faster than a standard, non-QC charger? I would assume so. And are they're any 3rd party fasxt chargers compatible w/Huawei's dumbarse proprietary QC3 charging?
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No it doesn't, as confirmed by a V/A USB meter. It will only top out at 5V/2A.
I repeat again, Huawei does NOT use QC3 technology, but FCP/SCP technology. If you are looking for a charger that can do both QC and FCP from the same socket, read through the tread again as I had already posted a brand and model that had been tested and confirmed to do both.
Ah, sorry, me dumb and had in my head that M5 was QC3. Now I get it -- FCP, not same as QC3. OK, I see your link and several other chargers compatible w/QC3 and FCP. Thanks!
Hi,
I have a ThinkPad E580 which comes along with a charger Type-C, on the charger has been written : OUTPUT: 20V-3.25A / 15V-3A / 9V-2A / 5V-2A
Is it safe to try charge my MediaPad M5 by this charger?
sz.hatef said:
Hi,
I have a ThinkPad E580 which comes along with a charger Type-C, on the charger has been written : OUTPUT: 20V-3.25A / 15V-3A / 9V-2A / 5V-2A
Is it safe to try charge my MediaPad M5 by this charger?
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I had used USB PD adaptors on the M5 before and it charges fine, but not quickly.
My Pad (M5 10.8 WiFi) charges via USB PD with 18 Watts using the 9 Volt Profile. What doesn't work is Quick Charge. Power delivery works fine
Is there anything special about the actual Huawei furnished cable? I need a longer one than what was furnished.
reubenray said:
Is there anything special about the actual Huawei furnished cable? I need a longer one than what was furnished.
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Nothing whatsoever
But get a good one that supports high wattage.
Some cables only transmit 5 watts
Meaning 5v and 1 amp
Technology from 2005
Hello,
What you think about this car charger?
Is it fast enough?
Thank you
Seeing how it handles 125-watt and the phone only handles somewhere between 20 and 35-watt maximum, then yes, it's fast enough. Personally, I rarely fast charge.
So it's great product and fast charging even with GPS and Bluetooth, and yes the phone will not use the 125-watt but we have something for the future
If it does what it promises, then it's a great deal, even if its capabilities exceed our current phones' charging capacity. But I'm somewhat risk averse, especially with high charging rates. I, therefore, bought the Scosche CPDCC60 dual charger from Amazon.
Has anyone tried the following charger?
Baseus USB-A+USB-C Car Charger 65W
Charge your phone and Laptop together while on the road with baseus 65W dual port car charger. PD 3.0 and PPS technologies deliver 5X faster charging time than standard 5V/2.4A chargers.
www.baseus.com
According to the website, it supports PD 3.0, PPS and up to 65 W. So, in theory, it should work with the Pixel 7 Pro.
Thanks