I searched for camera mods to allow for capturing of RAW data from the sensor on the Charge.
As far as I can tell, nobody has been successful in getting any Android phone to capture the RAW data.
Does anybody know if this is possible? I know others who would love to have the ability. I didn't really want to start a discussion of RAW vs JPEG compression, etc. I know the drawbacks and advantages of RAW.
I think that this would require camera firmware modifications as well as Camera APK modifications. My development knowledge is very limited, hence my name.
Does anybody know if this would require a reasonable about of effort or if its far beyond being worth the trouble?
It looks possible, and the code is in the API to do this, but it has yet to be done as far as I know. It looks to be an issue with the "RAW callback function" always returning NULL. If I have some time I will to look into it.
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My apologies and thanks.
Bumping this, seems like an interesting feature, considering it has API support.
bcpk said:
Bumping this, seems like an interesting feature, considering it has API support.
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I would plus one this
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I don't know if its prohibitively difficult to mod, but I couldn't find any other phone which has been developed to shoot RAW. Perhaps people just haven't shown much interest.
I would love this feature, but I figure most people shooting in RAW already have a "real" camera. I would expect a decent increase in photo quality though. I have 32 GB on my phone waiting to store some RAW data!
I just wish someone would mod the camera APK to use +2 sharpness, which would result in better quality photos. The camera app applies a bad blur/denoise filter on the lower sharpness settings which reduces the quality of the picture. Worse, the camera does not save that setting, so it needs to be set each time I use it.
BeefJerky9 said:
I just wish someone would mod the camera APK to use +2 sharpness, which would result in better quality photos. The camera app applies a bad blur/denoise filter on the lower sharpness settings which reduces the quality of the picture. Worse, the camera does not save that setting, so it needs to be set each time I use it.
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You know u can modify the frame work for the camera, I've done it before, search xda. I doubt remember the form
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xdadevnube said:
I don't know if its prohibitively difficult to mod, but I couldn't find any other phone which has been developed to shoot RAW. Perhaps people just haven't shown much interest.
I would love this feature, but I figure most people shooting in RAW already have a "real" camera. I would expect a decent increase in photo quality though. I have 32 GB on my phone waiting to store some RAW data!
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Shooting raw will make the color correction possible which will significantly boost the image quality to...a 70 dollars' compact camera you can find on ebay, BUT, the best camera is always the one that is with you, so I always support anyone who like to improve android phone's shooting ability.
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The real issue isn't allowing the camera to shoot raw because they can be done but the raw format will not be recognized by any raw processing software on the market. The possible way is to use DNG format which will significantly increase the difficulty of modification because it means the programmer will put in hours to create a brand new application to understand and compress the raw file to the DNG file...unlike Canon, android does not have an official raw format...so everything will need to start from zero. This process could easily take 20 very experienced engineers up to a year to complete, and the result might not be very ideal and will need another year to modify and improve...so we are looking at a potentially five million dollars project here - and it will better be turning in to profitable application - and if so it will have to be the best selling android app ever.
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I don't know if its prohibitively difficult to mod, but I couldn't find any other phone which has been developed to shoot RAW. Perhaps people just haven't shown much interest.
I would love this feature, but I figure most people shooting in RAW already have a "real" camera. I would expect a decent increase in photo quality though. I have 32 GB on my phone waiting to store some RAW data!
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Yes, most (like myself) probably do but since I'm carrying around a high quality 8 megapixel camera in my pocket I'd like to be able to shoot in raw for those times that I don't have my DSLR with me. There is so much more that com be done to a RAW photograph, not to mention not having any data loss form it being converted to a jpeg. Looking forward to seeing if anyone can make this possible.
desmalta said:
Yes, most (like myself) probably do but since I'm carrying around a high quality 8 megapixel camera in my pocket I'd like to be able to shoot in raw for those times that I don't have my DSLR with me. There is so much more that com be done to a RAW photograph, not to mention not having any data loss form it being converted to a jpeg. Looking forward to seeing if anyone can make this possible.
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Just a reminder....this is a cell phone, not a camera!
buhohitr said:
Just a reminder....this is a cell phone, not a camera!
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Just a reminder, anything is possible in the world of android!
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desmalta said:
Yes, most (like myself) probably do but since I'm carrying around a high quality 8 megapixel camera in my pocket I'd like to be able to shoot in raw for those times that I don't have my DSLR with me. There is so much more that com be done to a RAW photograph, not to mention not having any data loss form it being converted to a jpeg. Looking forward to seeing if anyone can make this possible.
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RAW does not equal improved quality if the camera is not capturing more image information prior to compressing to JPG. You're still working with a tiny fixed lens and dense, compact sensor with tiny photo sites. This is limiting the amount and quality of light. Shooting RAW will not change this. JPG compression is not a limiting factor for image quality. You won't be able to resolve significantly finer detail or shoot in lower light settings just because you're shooting RAW. Open a JPG as RAW with Photoshop, it'll provide a similar experience.
You'll end up with similar photo quality, a bit more flexibility in PP, and huge lag while the camera tries to handle transfering and saving the huge photo file 10x larger than what it was designed to handle.
These are the only mobile phone sensors I've seen that would support or justify shooting in RAW.
Another story on them: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/14/omnivisions-new-12mp-cmos-sensor-shoots-raw-pics-and-1080-60p-v/
In other words, RAW will be here eventually. When it is, it'll be an improvement. To try and force it (if it were even possible) with the sensor and hardware limitations in the DC is pointless.
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RAW does not equal improved quality if the camera is not capturing more image information prior to compressing to JPG.
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true, but shooting raw does preserve more of the image, because its the raw/real image that sensors seems is not a jpg processed image the way camera applications decided the scene should look like.
basically would would be taking your camera off the auto mode.
with raw you would have greated control over white balance, shadows, highlights etc...
There is a question about how many bits of image data you got on mobile sensor. On DSLR there is 12 or 14 bits information that is compressed to 8bit JPG information - that's why there is plenty more information about the image in RAW format. If CMOS in your mobile phone deliver just strait 8bit - your RAW will not have much more data.
As I don't have slightest idea how many bits of data is served by mobile camera sensor I can't say if there is a reason for RAW.
i found this
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14777953/how-to-capture-raw-image-from-android-camera
i am really looking forward for a raw file from android camera this will be a huge move forward to the mobile world and the abilities of android
and since its supported in the api means google wants it to happen
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Create this dir /data/misc/camera/RaW_PiCtUrEs case sensitive btw
Assuming the capture mode used is high-quality and not high-quality-zsl it should produce a raw image everytime you capture a jpeg image
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try this maybe it will work i found it here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1977654&nocache=1
I have just started to use the 1020. It's running Windows Mobile 8.1 with Denim.
There are other phones with comparable photo qualities, but there is no other phone that has the reframing feature. This is huge.
To have this feature, the phone needs to save the 5Mp photo and the .jpg high definition file. This is the only combination that allows reframing. I have auto update enabled and only the high definition .jpg is uploaded. If I reframing a photo, a second copy of the .jpg high definition photo is automatically uploaded. This is a total waste. For uploading I mainly need the result (the 5Mp) and not the high definition photo.
What do I need to do to auto upload only the 5Mp photo and keep the reframing feature?
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Hi, the S7/S7Edge camera is good but the images are entirely over sharpened and generally lifeless. Just overdone.
Any way to tone down the sharpness, and use the old post processing of the S6?
Or is this not possible given it's a different sensor, etc?
I would love such a fix too. Any other camera app probably? RAW is one way to fix it but you can only edit RAW files stored on internal storage along with their jpegs in the same folder in Snapspeed. Otherwise Lightroom(which isn't available in my playstore) or photoshop is required.
RAW are also too big for general purpose photography at 23Mb per file
Right now only solution is to use PRO mod and RAW =( ....
Maybe camera app or port from S6 ?
and what about the video? Sometimes I have to shoot on the S7 because I just have it with me. The video really sucks in postprocessing because the oversharpening creates a whole lot of artifacts. Pro mode isn´t really an option and there is is no setting to turn down sharpness in any way.
If there is a mod for the bitrate, why isnt´t it possible to patch the sharpen value?
I found that using HDR on reduces sharpen in AUTO mode .... Also HDR on Auto gives diferent results...
I think that MOD is possible ... only to find right person
I have tried several apps but they either don't recognise the phone's camera app's DNG format or they are simply useless for other reasons e.g. always writing the output to some directory (folder) in the device filespace which one then has to move them out of.
I need something which can convert them from the SD card
e.g. 0000-0000/DCIM/Camera
to the same place.
The S7 is rooted, with SDfix etc.
I would appreciate any tips. Basically I would like an app which works with the Samsung DNG format and which has configurable in and out folders.
Android v6, not v7, rooted.
If you have RAW enabled in camera settings, the phone also stores a JPEG of the exact same photo, so no need to convert them really
Not sure about Android apps, but on PC just load them into your favourite RAW photo editor and export them as JPEGs (Lightroom for example)
Not quite... taking the DNG and processing it with say Lightroom produces a vastly better quality photo.
See e.g. here for examples
https://www.euroga.org/forums/websi...anywhere-as-good-as-a-dslr/post/166993#166993
The Jpegs from the phone are over-contrasty and over-sharpened. One should never apply unsharp mask until the image is resized to the final resolution (if at all).
Yes I know that, which is why I suggestion Lightroom
Converting on the phone is not going to give anywhere near the same results as PC Lightroom
Use a PC
Not quite... taking the DNG and processing it with say Lightroom produces a vastly better quality photo.
See e.g. here for examples
https://www.euroga.org/forums/websi...anywhere-as-good-as-a-dslr/post/166993#166993
The Jpegs from the phone are over-contrasty and over-sharpened. One should never apply unsharp mask until the image is resized to the final resolution (if at all).
The real issue IMHO is that all the camera apps are mostly just control panels for the camera API. They don't AIUI get the image to play with. That is why e.g. all of them have the same contrast steps, same exposure range, etc. The JPG is done by the OS and the app gets what it gets. One camera app developer explained this to me.
Hi,
I would like to enable the HEIF photo file output, I found and checked the item in stock camera setting, but nothing changes.
Is this a bug ? Is the HEIF output only compatible with a specific camera mode ?
I am using camera 3.0.200116 and system Global 11.0.6.0 QJKEUXM.
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erwan574 said:
Hi,
I would like to enable the HEIF photo file output, I found and checked the item in stock camera setting, but nothing changes.
Is this a bug ? Is the HEIF output only compatible with a specific camera mode ?
I am using camera 3.0.200116 and system Global 11.0.6.0 QJKEUXM.
Thanks
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On mine it works with all 3 lenses. Maybe try and clear camera app data?
OK i have rechecked, still on the same software versions :
- Clearing camera app data is not sufficient, reboot may be required.
- the HEIF setting only appears in the settings for the default "photo" mode, not in 64M or portrait modes.
When it is enabled, pictures in 64M or portrait mode stays in jpg file format.
- Google photo refuses to sync HEIF files ! I did not expect that ! (as reported in https://c.mi.com/thread-3031761-1-0.html)
Note that the settings option is named HEIF but the file extension used is HEIC.
All in all, this is very confusing and disappointing. Maybe updates to both Google Photo, camera app or system will lift these limitations.
Xiaomi advertises the Poco F2 Pro as HEIF capable, as a space saving feature. Why is it not enabled in portrait mode ?
Do you know if xiaomi.eu roms supports HEIF ?
Copying heic files to computer using usb and resaving them with Paint.net allows to upload the file to Google Photo using the browser !
Additionnaly, it seems that in "pro" mode of the original camera app, if we enable the raw format which produces huge files, we get .dng files that seem to be stored to the cloud by google photos in "high quality" mode, that means without taking storage quota.
The HEIC failure on mobile seems completely strange if it is not a storage problem.