I have a z3 for t mobile rooted. Now when the z3 get's 5.0 from t mobile how would the ota work ? Would it work if i'm rooted ?
OTA should work if you did not alter the system files, even if your device is rooted, therefore, you "should be" able to retain root through OTA. When i say "altered" i meant removing any bloatware the from the original FW or any other modifications.
LitoNi said:
OTA should work if you did not alter the system files, even if your device is rooted, therefore, you "should be" able to retain root through OTA. When i say "altered" i meant removing any bloatware the from the original FW or any other modifications.
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.+I did remove all of t mobiles bloatware. When the ota does come out what will i have to do ?
dia_naji said:
.+I did remove all of t mobiles bloatware. When the ota does come out what will i have to do ?
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to my extent of knowledge, you wont be able to perform an OTA update since youve already removed the bloatware applications. if you want, you might have to perform a fresh start retaining the bloatware. Again, wait till the OTA update is there, try to update it, if it fails then fresh start it.
This is one of the reason why i would not root my device until Sony is done finish killing all the bugs, especially when Lollipop was just recently launched. That said, next time you can try to disable the bloatware if possible rather than completely removing them from the device system.
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After manually installing Tango (8773) on my Samsung Focus S and using Jaxbot's workaround to keep it Interop unlocked, I keep getting an alert that a firmware update is available. Is it safe to update the firmware without losing my Interop unlock, or should I keep it at its current state?
revxx14 said:
After manually installing Tango (8773) on my Samsung Focus S and using Jaxbot's workaround to keep it Interop unlocked, I keep getting an alert that a firmware update is available. Is it safe to update the firmware without losing my Interop unlock, or should I keep it at its current state?
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before updating you must make sure that you have done all your unlocks, interop, MMS, de branding, jaxbot relock work around etc,
you then must make a backup of your phone,
then you can apply the Samsung update, this WILL stop you unlocking, however because you have the unlocks already applied you will be able to re apply them if needed, (it wont allow you to add new xml data but as it was already applied before the update then you should be ok)
if you need to update your OS again I would strongly recommend that you revert to your PRE Samsung update backup
apply the new OS update,
make a new backup before applying the Samsung update again,
re apply the Samsung update an go from there.
ive heard of people having issues restoring backups when jumping across different versions of OS so making backups at each OS update BEFORE the Samsung update is probably a good habit to get in to,
its also a good habit to check that it is in fact interop/dev unlocked before applying the Samsung update
Firmware updates will not re-lock your phone (at least, none of them ever have). What they can do is prevent future hacks (unlocks or otherwise) from working.
If you already have WP7 Root Tools installed and working, you probably are afe to update. I do suggest creating a restore point first though, and backing up your old one.
As the title says - the latest OTA update, if I update will I lose root?
Thanks!
From what I understand, for a clean update OTA the firmware needs to be stock unrooted. The bootloader locked or unlocked.
Other people have succeeded in updating OTA with a modified system and able to patch, but it varies and it seems a lot of tweaking was involved after. I am no expert though.
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From what I understand, for a clean update OTA the firmware needs to be stock unrooted. The bootloader locked or unlocked.
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Till yesterday i thought the same.
Seems like it works also when it is rooted.
[GUIDE] How To Update Rooted Moto G ( US Global GSM)
secretkloud said:
Then I tried again. It went smoothly. And I still have root
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mokkami said:
Till yesterday i thought the same.
Seems like it works also when it is rooted.
[GUIDE] How To Update Rooted Moto G ( US Global GSM)
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So if I understand that thread correctly, if a system file is modified, the update will fail? So adding files (su apk and binaries) doesn't create a situation where the update fails? ...This is my dilemma in trying to understand what modified actually means. It's been a while since attempting mods on a device and it was easier on my last one.
Off topic, will unlocking the bootloader allow access to the stock recovery? I can reboot into it, but any command from the menu just gives me a No command screen or reboots the device. I can't remember it being this convoluted on my old phone. Yes, I know that the up key selects and the down is to navigate...
i just flash stock recovery and then updated.
after update i still have root, so i just flash back TWRP
Backup with CWM, factory reset, update, restore data.
@kurt99 and @theoneofgod
What firmware are you running and what model (any mods)?
I imagine that OTA updates are different for each version firmware...
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So if I understand that thread correctly, if a system file is modified, the update will fail? So adding files (su apk and binaries) doesn't create a situation where the update fails? ...This is my dilemma in trying to understand what modified actually means. It's been a while since attempting mods on a device and it was easier on my last one.
Off topic, will unlocking the bootloader allow access to the stock recovery? I can reboot into it, but any command from the menu just gives me a No command screen or reboots the device. I can't remember it being this convoluted on my old phone. Yes, I know that the up key selects and the down is to navigate...
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While it seems that OTAs are quite sensible to system changes whatever that means, it turned out that root doesn´t break the possibility to update.
You can access stock recovery with or without unlocked bootloader. This "no command screen" is a known thing and can easily be overcome by holding power and volume up buttons for 3 secs while on that screen.
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You can access stock recovery with or without unlocked bootloader. This "no command screen" is a known thing and can easily be overcome by holding power and volume up buttons for 3 secs while on that screen.
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Thanks so much (I've been living in Android 2.1 world). :angel:
Standard UK retail, rooted ran the OTA update with no issues, and remains rooted.
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@kurt99 and @theoneofgod
What firmware are you running and what model (any mods)?
I imagine that OTA updates are different for each version firmware...
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Also Standard UK retail and remains rooted, also use XPOSED .
Greetings,
Just bought a brand new (directly from Google) Nexus 5. It came with 4.4.3 and immediately notified about an "update available", in which it downloaded and installed 4.4.4.
I then went on and Unlocked my bootloader in preparation for a root (I did not root yet, full stock). But I am not getting any update for Lollipop, not even when I manually Check for Updates.
Are these OTA updates come/pushed randomly, or did the Unlocking of the bootloader prevented an automatic OTA update?
I am aware of the option to manually update, I am just curious if the Unlocking prevents updates. If so, if I re-lock the bootloader again will I then get the OTA update?
Thanks.
No, it doesn't change anything. OTA updates are staged so you just probably haven't had it yet...
Unlocking does not affect OTA. But keep in mind you'll likely have to re-root if you get auto updated.
Thank you both!
Am I correct to assume that Rooting also will not prevent OTA updates?
sbi1 said:
Thank you both!
Am I correct to assume that Rooting also will not prevent OTA updates?
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It won't prevent getting the ota but it will prevent it from installing
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Gota. So either:
Stock+Root and no updates
Stock+No-Root
Or Root+Custom
?!
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Gota. So either:
Stock+Root and no updates
Stock+No-Root
Or Root+Custom
?!
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In order for the ota to install you have to be 100% stock system, kernel, recovery, and radio. If you've modified any of those you'll have to return them to stock before the ota will install. There are ways to do that but it depends on the specifics of any modifications you've done to the device. Frankly, it's easier to just flash the new factory image than it is to take the ota if you've modified your device.
Edit, to the best of my knowledge modifying your device, short of deleting our freezing some system files specifically related to receiving updates, will not prevent you from getting the ota, just installing it.
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OK, so just to make sure I understand: Is Unlocking the Bootloader making my system not 100% stock? Which means, even if the update downloads it will not install?
Also - again, if I understand correctly - based on what you say I can root, I will receive the update OTA but it won't install. Is this correct?
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OK, so just to make sure I understand: Is Unlocking the Bootloader making my system not 100% stock? Which means, even if the update downloads it will not install?
Also - again, if I understand correctly - based on what you say I can root, I will receive the update OTA but it won't install. Is this correct?
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If you just unlock the bootloader you should have no trouble installing the ota. You'll have to unroot to install the ota. You can use the full unroot option in supersu
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This has already discussed in other posts here BUT I continue to see A LOT of people waiting for Nougat OTA like Santa Claus should bring to them... (or, even worse, trying to push it in their phones... )
So, I make this post just to give more visibility to all...
I'll try to write it clear...
Don't update your Z to Nougat by OTA!
Is it clear enough? :laugh:
Now some explainations...
Over the the common generic motivations (difficulties when not in full stock conditions, risk to brick it during process, OTAs that are the Evil... ), there is a strong one in this case: Nougat OTA for Moto Z (silently...) upgrades your bootloader too, from v. 90.xx to v. 91.xx...
This isn't really needed (Nougat runs flawlessly on v.90.xx too... ) BUT it introduces some tighter rules on what you can and what you can't anymore boot on it, limiting hacking and upgrading (to developed third part ROMs...) possibilities...
One of this rules is that with v. 91.xx bootloader you can't anymore boot to MM ROM!
Considering that as of today it seems that bootloader can't be donwgraded (some have soft/hard bricked their Z trying to downgrade it...), Nougat upgrade by OTA is a one way process.
If you consider that stock Nougat seems to have some bugs and issues (and, as of today, no Xposed available...!) and that some (all?) third part Nougat ROMs requires "MM" (v. 90.xx) bootloader to work, it seems not to be a great idea leave that Motorola upgrades silently your bootloader...
So?
So, at present, the best method (IMHO...) to upgrade to Nougat is that one which is described in OP of this thread: you will have a full stock Nougat BUT with older bootloader and the possibility to easily return to MM or to whatever ROM you want...
I already did nougat via ota for my moto z droid... Does this affect anything? Also how do i flash a factory nougat on my moto z droid if i want to stsrt fresh?
xterminater07 said:
I already did nougat via ota for my moto z droid... Does this affect anything? Also how do i flash a factory nougat on my moto z droid if i want to stsrt fresh?
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Considering we on the Moto Z droid don't have an unlockable bootloader and/or ability to root I don't see it effecting you negatively, other than an exploit that may be discovered for marshmallow that would allow for root. We are at the mercy of a kind developer taking on the task. I really miss my hotspot without a fee... But I can go back to my Moto X if it is necessary.
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I already did nougat via ota for my moto z droid... Does this affect anything? Also how do i flash a factory nougat on my moto z droid if i want to stsrt fresh?
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I agree with dap... proposed solution can't be used since of unlocked bootloader, BUT if I had a Droid I would have remained sticky to first SW release as long as possible because of the higher probabilities of a flaw to hack and root it...
With Nougat and newer (even more "locked"...) bootloader it will be harder...
those are a lot of steps... is there a way to just hide the nag/update screen that pops up? it keeps wanting to update or ask for a time to update or reminds me to update etc
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So, at present, the best method (IMHO...) to upgrade to Nougat is that one which is described in OP of this thread: you will have a full stock Nougat BUT with older bootloader and the possibility to easily return to MM or to whatever ROM you want...
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Does the method you linked to even work with the VZW variant? It looks like it used to, but the Verizon stuff is all marked through and I'm not clear on the process.
hmmmfff... I have updated mine using OTA.. now I want to back to MM... but no way to do that...
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hmmmfff... I have updated mine using OTA.. now I want to back to MM... but no way to do that...
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Hello did you try to get down to MM? Thank you
regards
iron maiden said:
Hello did you try to get down to MM? Thank you
regards
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No. I didn't.
I read in other thread that bootloader v91 won't work with MM.
Moto Z ( UAE ) no OTA yet
HI,
can anyone suggest which android 7 update is to be used for UAE users and how to install manually ?
How can i disable the OTA Update app opening all the god damn time? I mean seriously, every time i lock the screen and turn it back on, it annoys me by saying i need to update to Android 7, I DON'T ****ING WANT TO! Can someone PLEASE tell me how to disable this?
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How can i disable the OTA Update app opening all the god damn time? I mean seriously, every time i lock the screen and turn it back on, it annoys me by saying i need to update to Android 7, I DON'T ****ING WANT TO! Can someone PLEASE tell me how to disable this?
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You can't. The only thing you *can* do is tap the "Later" and then "Done" buttons. That will defer it for another 24 hours since it automatically fills in the phone's current time for the next check.
It's annoying, but it's only once a day.
EDIT: I thought you were referring to the VZW variant. If you're not and your phone is rooted, you might be able to disable or remove "Motorola Update Services". To do so, go to Settings > Apps > select "Show system" from menu (3 dots at top right) > scroll down and tap "Motorola Update Services"
I can't disable it on my VZW unit, but you might be able to. Or maybe you can remove the app via root (though I have no idea if that will cause further problems).
I too can confirm thr disabling motoservice in settings method. But you have to do it everytime you reboot your phone, it does t hurt me doing that.
I found a simple fix, get Titanium Backup and freeze that crap app, done.
yanniclord said:
I found a simple fix, get Titanium Backup and freeze that crap app, done.
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There is another way for users with root eventually...
saif_khans said:
HI,
can anyone suggest which android 7 update is to be used for UAE users and how to install manually ?
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Simply use the method linked in OP. It uses retmx sw.
True, I updated via Ota and now I can not install custom roms, will in the future have a solution to this problem? Because we all know that by unlocking the bootloader we lose the warranty, but we do this because we want to have options to install on our devices.
Could any dev have managed to fix this in the future roms?
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True, I updated via Ota and now I can not install custom roms, will in the future have a solution to this problem? Because we all know that by unlocking the bootloader we lose the warranty, but we do this because we want to have options to install on our devices.
Could any dev have managed to fix this in the future roms?
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Which variant do you have? @erfanoabdi suggested in another thread that they might have root figured out for the VZW variant in the next couple of days. No idea if what they're working on will be applicable to the Nougat.
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Which variant do you have? @erfanoabdi suggested in another thread that they might have root figured out for the VZW variant in the next couple of days. No idea if what they're working on will be applicable to the Nougat.
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Variants doesn't matter all moto z is using same kernel source (I have Chinese moto z)
Let me explain, I'm trying to port farm-root for moto z
Here's the source : https://github.com/freddierice/farm-root
If anyone knows how to deal with ndk and other Stuffs, can install TWRP with this version of farm-root
But I'm trying to make it easier and here's big barrier called SELinux
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Which variant do you have? @erfanoabdi suggested in another thread that they might have root figured out for the VZW variant in the next couple of days. No idea if what they're working on will be applicable to the Nougat.
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Hope it happens. The phone (accidentally?) Downloaded the update and is now asking to install. I'm afraid one day it'll just automatically update on it's own.. I can't seem to find where the system update got downloaded to, otherwise I'd delete it
I want to edit the hosts file of a moto edge (2021), however I also want it to continue to get OTA updates. So some (potentially dumb) questions:
Can you get OTA updates on an unlocked bootloader for motorola?
Can you get updates after rooting then unrooting the phone?
Will the hosts file changes made while rooted remain after unrooting?
Thank you for your time and help, much appreciated!
Hello, I have seen your publication and I want to give you an answer based on my experience with my Motorola phones, I am just going to try the custom rom that is available for this phone.
but I can clarify certain doubts
Regarding the updates, they continue to be received even if your device is unlocked, that is the answer to your first question,
second, once the phone is updated you can lose the root since in the updates they lose the modifications to some files like the boot.img.
and in the same way it depends on the update but if you can modify the host file.
But I am still going to recommend that you do not update the phone when you have it rooted, since in some update some changes are reverted and it may remain in the bootloop
I hope my answer helps you and I repeat this answer is based on experience with motorola phones