I'd like to use my TF700 in my vehicle.
I want to have it charge while its also connected to various USB devices, such as a hard drive, DAC, etc.
I know that the TF700 charges when the special charger puts 15V onto the USB power pins on the USB charging data(slave) cable.
I have a spare TF700 charging/data cable. I also have a FT700 USB OTG adapter. I've tested my peripherals and they work with the OTG adapter.
Could I make the charging/USB data slave cable work for my application with the following modifications ?
1) find the power wires in the charging/data cable and cut them.
2) Connect the power wires going to the TF700 to +12V (nominal) from the vehicle. Would it need to be conditioned ?
3) Replace the male USB A connector with a female USB A connector.
I'd leave the new female connector un powered because I'd be connecting it to a powered USB hub, which would power any peripherals that would be connected to the TF700.
Would this work ?
Looks like the 40 pin port uses different pins for the USB host and USB slave functions.
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Not sure how to proceed from here. Open up a USB OTG adapter, find the power wires and apply 15V to them ? Does the power supplied need to wait until the laptop says to apply 15V or could the wires have 15V on them all the time ?
This thread seems to indicate that its OK to apply 12V to the USB power wires full time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1815029&page=2
I've got a TF700T and a TF201 dock and a misplaced charger. I ran into the same trouble that a lot of people here did ....... generic chargers not working, USB on my computer only trickle charges the tablet, nothing for the dock, etc.......
After much poking around I learned that both require 12 volts to charge. That said I dug thru my junk and found a 2.2a 12v DC wallwart. I hacked apart a USB extension cable for it's female end, broke out my breadboard and put together a 12v USB connector... that after several days of charging and draining.... charging and draining .... works like a champ.
So to be a bit more specific, pin 1 that's normally 5+ volts I'm supplying 12+. Pin 4 is ground same as always and that's it. If you wish let me know I can probably throw up a little illustration or something.
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That seems to handle the power part.
Is there any way to get USB OTG functionality out of the USB charging cable ? Will changing the end from a male to female do it ?
Here are some pictures of the internals of the USB OTG adapter. It appears they brought all 40 pins out to solder pads on a sub board behind the connector itself ! Easy access.
There are 6 connections between the connector board and the main board. What would they be for ? <-- I'm thinking out loud here, but any suggestions are welcome. Host D+, D-, USB Pwr, GND ? I guess its not too hard to trace them.
Since I had to replace my cable, i've noticed the usb end it a usb 3 connector, which has 9 pins. Only 5 have wires. Which might tell charger to put out 15v.
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Hi guys
I have a few Nokia micro usb cables lying around, these include the very short ones (around 10cm long) and also the longer ones
are these safe to plug into the htc mains usb adaptor to charge my dhd?
I've been using the cables and they work fine, I just wanted to ensure that it is safe to do so and if anyone has come across any problems using any micro usb cable in the mains adaptor?
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Why should it be dangerous? I'm using the exatly same cable to charge my phone from my desktop computer.
Go for it!
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Why should it be dangerous? I'm using the exatly same cable to charge my phone from my desktop computer.
Go for it!
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cheers pilot
it was more the mains adaptor i was worried about
USB is fine!
I use the same cable as yours, from my nokia e5, to connect my dhd to pc.. heck, i even use my dhd charger to charge my e5..
Same here - I use two of them with my PC and netbook, and occasionally with the wall charger. Why would it be a problem? They're USB cables...
I use the cable from my lost Nokia N900 at work and it works just fine.
I occasionally use my nokia e71 cable and an ipod wall charger when I misplace my htc one, still does the job fine
Its fine. That's why the "U" stands for universal. ;-)
Use any of the micro usb cord & no problem
Yup, I use a CA-101 for my DHD when in the office..
Infact the only cable I have tried on my phone that didnt work as I wanted was one from an HTC car charger kit that for some reason only charges but doesnt allow data..
I successfully radio s-off and eng s offed using a short Nokia cable. Only thing that matters as previously mentioned is its micro usb.
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i'm still using my nokia usb to charge and tranfer file to the phone in my office, works perfectly w/o any problem
ok I have an update
I have my original DHD wall charger, and a Original Nokia USB Cable
charging is very slow
It charged the phone only 10% in the space of 51 minutes.
Surely this is not normal?
I plugged another original USB cable into my pc and it charged 10% in 10 minutes
They are basically the same cable as everyone else said.
should be no problem cos i using it too. .
using CA-101 in office, no problem
Cable slipping out too easy
Hi everyone.
I am also using Nokia cable, the short one for charging at home, but unfortunately the cable is slipping out of connector in the device, even after slightest movement. as soon I displace the device (HTC Desire HD) few centimeters, cable slips out.
also when I have the cable plugged into the device, I can still see some 2mm of metalic part of the cable.
Did anyone also experience that?
Thanks a lot
Marek
I've same problem with my Nokia car charger, it's even not making well contact for charging. Thus I have to choose position of cable to get result.
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marek.jasovsky said:
Hi everyone.
I am also using Nokia cable, the short one for charging at home, but unfortunately the cable is slipping out of connector in the device, even after slightest movement. as soon I displace the device (HTC Desire HD) few centimeters, cable slips out.
also when I have the cable plugged into the device, I can still see some 2mm of metalic part of the cable.
Did anyone also experience that?
Thanks a lot
Marek
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I think that is just wear and tear. My original HTC cable doesn't contact well with the phone any more, however a Nokia cable I had in the house, does connect very firmly. I was using the Nokia one in the car, and it began to show a bit of cable just where the cable goes into the micro-usb plug. Still works.
So, I think seeing the cable is not a problem, the outer layer is very robust (until it starts fraying ). And the bad connection is just the cable getting old.
old thread is old. replace your cable. they are cheap and cost a couple dollars.
http://www.amazon.com/USB-Micro-USB-Cable-6-Ft/dp/B002HMWQE2
$1.50. not worth the time to complain about a bad cable, they wear out, period.
Bought a dual charger for the car, has 1 amp and 2.1 for devices like tables. When I plug the Tab Plus in the tablet gives me an X for charging and doesn't charge. Tried different cables. Any ideas??? GT 6210
Not compatible mHa...
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So only Samsung OEM car and wall chargers work??? I even trid a lower amp charger in the house figuring it would just take longer to charger, and still get the X if it's not the Samsung wall charger.
2.1a is plenty to charge it, but as you said, only Samsung chargers will do it. It is highly annoying.
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2.1a is plenty to charge it, but as you said, only Samsung chargers will do it. It is highly annoying.
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Interesting to note:
When the Tab/Tab+ is connected to an HDMI adapter (either dongle or stand version: I have both) the tab will draw power from ANY USB source and show it as charging. A generic 2.1 amp charger will add to the battery even while playing MAME on my HDTV using a BT PS3 controller while WIFI is enabled (a 500mA charger works too but cant keep up....in other words it will deplete your battery...just slower). The same generic charger will NOT charge my Tab+ when NOT connected to the HDTV/HDMI adapter.
It's charging, but it's only pulling 450mA. This is a safety measure to prevent pulling too much current from a computer USB port.
This is nuts. If it charges through an HDMI cable??It charges slowly through a computer??? I'm surprised nobody has come out with a "charge only" cable so it works generically. Obviously some of the pins can be left off or crossed to trick it.
I'd buy 3 and keep them all over the place!
I've seem them for Apple,I devices, even was shipped one by accident for my Ipod.
I'm writing CableJive! Maybe if they hear from enough of us they support out product. '[email protected]'
Eureka! I grabbed an old USB version 1 extension cable (female to Male) and plugged it on the end of my Tab sync power cable. Plugged it into Tab OEM wall charger, worked fine. Then I plugged it into a generic wall charger for phones (1amp) and IT IS CHARGING!
Still won't work on car adapter, tried 1 amp, 2.1amp, and 2.2 amp.
Ordered USB 2 extensions to test.
Have you made sure that the plug will charge something else? Make sure it will charge your phone or something. I know those dual micro-chargers have to be pushed with a lot more force than you would think. I would also check both ports on the dual charger. Usually only one of the ports will output 2.1 amps while the other only outputs 1 amp.
Quick semi-related charger question: are all Samsung Tab chargers the same? Or, at least, are they cross-compatible for charging?
I've got an imported tablet, and it's charging very slowly with a UK adaptor (which was supplied by the import company... had been expecting more, I have to say).
If I tool up and go shopping for a genuine Samsung Galaxy Tab charger, will any of them do, or do I need to be specific? Does anyone know?
i got one of these handy.
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i bought it from DX few months back. http://dx.com/p/usb-power-adapter-for-samsung-p1000-81753?item=1
and it charges my fone with any usb chargers i have.. i also use it for my 2.1A car charger and works as expected.
I second the adapter recommendation shown above. I just wish it had some way to tie it to the cable so it doesn't get misplaced. They're pretty cheap, though, so I bought a couple extra.
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I second the adapter recommendation shown above. I just wish it had some way to tie it to the cable so it doesn't get misplaced. They're pretty cheap, though, so I bought a couple extra.
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here's mine..its tied with my extra sync cable.. these adapters are fragile and one of the plastic clips broke.. secured it with a zip tie and now even when i dropped it several times the white case stays secure.. i bring it with me all the time...
Have you guys tried these adapters both on AC and Car 2.1amps WITH the Tab? The references I see above are for phone.
Oops...never mind, went to sight and saw a reviewer listed Tabs.
I tried charging with a USB 3.0 extension cord , But it is really Slow .
Any idea how to get it to charge at normal speeds?
klau1 said:
I tried charging with a USB 3.0 extension cord , But it is really Slow .
Any idea how to get it to charge at normal speeds?
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probally not a high enougth ampage, think it needs to be 2amp, guess its trickle charging (charging extremely slowly)
Standard power output on computer USB ports is around 0.5 amps. Way too low. As Alex says you need 2 or 2.1 amp charger such as the one that came with the Note.
If you are using a different type of 2 amp charger - car charger or battery block - you will probably also need a polarity switcher to attach the standard Note USB cable.
No, I connect the USB extension cable from the Note 10.1 AC Adapter directly, and then connect the Note 10.1 30 pin connector to the other end.
Why doesn't this work?
Is it supposed to dampen the amps?? or is there something wrong with the cable?
klau1 said:
No, I connect the USB extension cable from the Note 10.1 AC Adapter directly, and then connect the Note 10.1 30 pin connector to the other end.
Why doesn't this work?
Is it supposed to dampen the amps?? or is there something wrong with the cable?
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As I said before, if you use another charger (or an extension cable) you will also need a polarity switcher.
For example : http://dx.com/p/usb-data-charging-e...1141?rt=1&p=2&m=2&r=3&k=1&t=1&s=81753&u=91141
NB for this connection P1000 Tablet and Note 10.1 are identical.
If you don't have this adaptor switched to "Charge" then you will see a red cross on the battery notification symbol. Include this and the red cross goes away and you just get the charging symbol. Just tested it with a 2 metre usb extension cable and a switcher and it works fine.
Alternatively you could use this cable directly with your extension cable without using the standard charging cable (two cables instead of three) - http://dx.com/p/designer-s-usb-char...2276?rt=1&p=2&m=2&r=3&k=1&t=1&s=91141&u=72276
Just to Confirm, Does this apply to Cable ONLY extension cables connected to the Official AC Adapter?
BTW, the "red cross on the battery notification symbol." never appeared even with the USB Cable extension. The NORMAL Battery icon with charging symbol appeared. It was just charging VERY slowly.
Type 1 (cable only):
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I'm not using the intelligent Type 2 that has extra logic built-in. I'm just using a Type 1, pure cable.
pwatkins said:
As I said before, if you use another charger (or an extension cable) you will also need a polarity switcher.
For example : http://dx.com/p/usb-data-charging-e...1141?rt=1&p=2&m=2&r=3&k=1&t=1&s=81753&u=91141
NB for this connection P1000 Tablet and Note 10.1 are identical.
If you don't have this adaptor switched to "Charge" then you will see a red cross on the battery notification symbol. Include this and the red cross goes away and you just get the charging symbol. Just tested it with a 2 metre usb extension cable and a switcher and it works fine.
Alternatively you could use this cable directly with your extension cable without using the standard charging cable (two cables instead of three) - http://dx.com/p/designer-s-usb-char...2276?rt=1&p=2&m=2&r=3&k=1&t=1&s=91141&u=72276
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I ordered that extact one and when I plug that into my original samsung adaper then into the 10ft USB 3.0 cable then into the original 30 pin cable, it charges but at a slow rate still, even with the little polarity switched to charge like you said.
I've used 2 usb extension cables, and the oem cable along with a 3rd party (Sync/charge) cable. I guess I should say I've used both the normal charger and belkin surge protector with built in usb ports.
This is what I've found. First the usb extension cable matters a lot. A "Smart" usb extension cable will take a little bit of the power to do it work, so less power to the device. Second if the extension cable is not well insulated or a thin cable you have more resistance and don't get as much power to your device. I now use a straight usb extension cable that you'll get if you goto Walmart or Target. Don't use one of the retractable/portable ones since they are normal thinner.
Now the intersting part. If you are running a custom Rom, that will effect how fast charging is with the extension. Redemption Rom only would do a trickle charge, while Omega v2.1 and "Collective Edition v6 Dark Side" both charge just fine with the extension. Redemption Rom did charge without the extension at the normal rate for me.
Kinda intersting that a usb extension and what rom your running could cause slow charging. Might not effect everyone the same way, but that is how I've seen things go so far.
Mine charges normally with a 3 ft USB 2.0 extension that has a thick cable on my factory charger but I only use it if I'm in a pinch.
I have never seen an Note 10.1 OEM charging cable longer than 3 feet. So if there isn't one longer........... is Samsung being cheap not to including or make a cable longer than 3 ft for the Note 10.1 or is there to much power loss for them.
You wonder as Samsung does make kick a s s products that seem to be fairly reliable so I guess they must have a good reason.
Instead of buying a longer usb charge cable I changed the unit that plugs into the charger, I use a long mains cable like the one in a ps3.
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good idea
klau1 said:
I tried charging with a USB 3.0 extension cord , But it is really Slow .
Any idea how to get it to charge at normal speeds?
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I had the same thing but when I looked deep in the charger I found that there are only 2 pins are used to provide the power the 1st and the last
so when you plug the original short cable then the extension it seems that it consumes more power I don't know why
I moded my cable that I broke the 2nd and the 3rd pins and when I connect it to my pc it charged normally with 1.5 meters extra
In trying to get through the awkard transition to Type C for everything, I'm hoping to find an adapter. I'd love for it to be Google compliant, but I can live without. Basically, I plan on carrying the google charger with the attached cord (https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_charger) around in my bag. However, I still have a number of things to charge using micro usb (work blackberry, wife's phone, portable battery, etc). So, I'd like to only carry the one charger and an adapter.
Even this portable charger that everyone is talking about (http://www.amazon.com/Portable-RAVP...id=1447799819&sr=8-18&keywords=type+c+charger) looks like the input is micro usb. So, to use it, I'd have to carry a C-C cord and a wall to micro charger, on top of my phone charger.
Any one come across this yet?
Thanks!
The USB Type-C port on that battery pack can be used to either charge your phone, or to charge the pack. Type-C allows for charge to go either direction. You wouldn't have to carry a wall to micro charger, you could use the google charger you linked.
"Type-C Input and Output: The first ever external battery charger with USB-C/Type-C. Use it to quickly recharge the 20100mah external battery, or to power the latest computers and smart devices with USB-C/Type-C ports"
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So, if you carried around that google charger to charge the battery pack, and plan on charging the other devices only from the battery pack itself, you would need:
1) A USB-C to C cable = to charge the nexus from the battery pack.
2) A USB-A to micro USB cable = To charge the blackberry, wife's phone, etc, from the battery pack. (I assume you have these already.)
I hope that made sense.
I have seen somewhere (probably the USB spec) that female USB-C ports are not allowed on cable adaptors. I have seen USB-C to micro USB male cables on Amazon, so if you carried one if these with you, you could charge any micro USB device with your 6P charger.
Also, +1 on the portable battery charging via USB-C. I wonder if it has pass through charging...The ability to charge usb devices while charging the battery itself.
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The USB Type-C port on that battery pack can be used to either charge your phone, or to charge the pack. Type-C allows for charge to go either direction. You wouldn't have to carry a wall to micro charger, you could use the google charger you linked.
"Type-C Input and Output: The first ever external battery charger with USB-C/Type-C. Use it to quickly recharge the 20100mah external battery, or to power the latest computers and smart devices with USB-C/Type-C ports"
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So, if you carried around that google charger to charge the battery pack, and plan on charging the other devices only from the battery pack itself, you would need:
1) A USB-C to C cable = to charge the nexus from the battery pack.
2) A USB-A to micro USB cable = To charge the blackberry, wife's phone, etc, from the battery pack. (I assume you have these already.)
I hope that made sense.
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Thanks Elnrik. I didn't see that about the type C in and out. It's still more than cables and things than I would like to carry - the two cables you mentioned, on top of the google charger, the portable battery itself, and the phone. I guess it'll have to do (for now at least).
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I have seen somewhere (probably the USB spec) that female USB-C ports are not allowed on cable adaptors. I have seen USB-C to micro USB male cables on Amazon, so if you carried one if these with you, you could charge any micro USB device with your 6P charger.
Also, +1 on the portable battery charging via USB-C. I wonder if it has pass through charging...The ability to charge usb devices while charging the battery itself.
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Thanks. I may have to do that. the charger I linked to though is type c charger, but fixed on the wall end, unfortunatley. I may have to get another wall charger.
Hello,
I bought a google pixel yesterday. Everything went fine at first, even charging it. But today, I'm trying to charge it and it charges really really slowly. 5% in two hours, and it loses battery if I use it when charging.
Found out in parameters > battery that my phone says it's charging by USB even though my phone is connected to the wall socket.
So basically I can't charge my phone.
I don't have more cables, I'm using the one that was sold with the phone. So I'm gonna return my phone to where I bought it.
Any advise / help / solution in the meantime?
hvarf said:
Hello,
I bought a google pixel yesterday. Everything went fine at first, even charging it. But today, I'm trying to charge it and it charges really really slowly. 5% in two hours, and it loses battery if I use it when charging.
Found out in parameters > battery that my phone says it's charging by USB even though my phone is connected to the wall socket.
So basically I can't charge my phone.
I don't have more cables, I'm using the one that was sold with the phone. So I'm gonna return my phone to where I bought it.
Any advise / help / solution in the meantime?
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Try rebooting the phone and switching the orientation of the usb-c cable as it's plugged into your phone. There's been reports of problems with the stock charger and it's not clear if it's a problem with the phone or charger.
cntryby429 said:
Try rebooting the phone and switching the orientation of the usb-c cable as it's plugged into your phone. There's been reports of problems with the stock charger and it's not clear if it's a problem with the phone or charger.
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I rebooted it, factory reset with all data wiped, nothing changed. Still says "USB charging" while being on the AC.
Not sure about the orientation of the USB-C. I'm using the USB-C to USB-B cable sold with the phone, and plug the USB-B to an AC adapter that I previously owned and works just fine (no issue until 4 hours). I live in a tiny country where the pixel is sold with a british adapter which doesn't work since we don't use the british sockets here, so I don't use the USB-C to C that is used with this adapter. Not sure if I'm being clear. But I don't think it's relevant anyway. Yesterday it was charging just fine.
hvarf said:
I rebooted it, factory reset with all data wiped, nothing changed. Still says "USB charging" while being on the AC.
Not sure about the orientation of the USB-C. I'm using the USB-C to USB-B cable sold with the phone, and plug the USB-B to an AC adapter that I previously owned and works just fine (no issue until 4 hours). I live in a tiny country where the pixel is sold with a british adapter which doesn't work since we don't use the british sockets here, so I don't use the USB-C to C that is used with this adapter. Not sure if I'm being clear. But I don't think it's relevant anyway. Yesterday it was charging just fine.
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The Pixel comes with a AC charger which a USB-C connector on it. The cable it comes with is also a USB-C to USB-C cable. The other cable USB-A - USB-C with the adapter is for quick data transfers, not for quick charging.
It comes with TWO cables, one adapter and one USB-C Charger AC plug.
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The Pixel comes with a AC charger which a USB-C connector on it. The cable it comes with is also a USB-C to USB-C cable. The other cable USB-A - USB-C with the adapter is for quick data transfers, not for quick charging.
It comes with TWO cables, one adapter and one USB-C Charger AC plug.
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Very sorry about the confusion. I use the USB-A - USB-C cable that I plug to a AC charger that works in my country. The phone charged just fine yesterday as far as I know, but not today. The AC charger sold with the Pixel doesn't work in my country since we don't use the same socket.
Is it possible your charger just went bad?
So, the USB-C cable was indeed the one I should have used. I just bought an adapter for the british socket of the original adapter, and now the phone is charging perfectly. So problem solved, thank you all for helping.