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I've had my Nexus S since official launch day in late 2010. I still love it. I've been mildly tempted to replace it with the Galaxy Nexus a few times.
I'm somewhere in the middle between amateur and power-user. I enjoy rooting my device and installing custom roms, but I don't go beyond that. Also, once I find a rom that works well for me, I generally keep it for several months or more.
I'm trying to figure out what is potentially on the horizon that I should find exciting in the mobile device world - any thoughts? I'm asking more about things that actually improve my daily use of the phone. Right now, I have email and calendar push-sync (important for work), fast web browsing pretty much anywhere I go (typically getting 3-6Mbps anywhere I am), and can easily stream movies and music. What could I ask for that would actually improve my phone experience?
1. Bigger screen - obviously has its ups and downs - for me wouldn't make any positive impact.
2. Higher resolution - this is cool, and was one of the main reasons I was tempted by Galaxy Nexus, but again, wouldn't actually make any difference to me. I don't have any interest in gaming on my phone, beyond Angry Birds or Cut the Rope-type games.
3. Better camera - always nice, but for my use, the camera on Nexus S is more than adequate.
4. Faster data speeds - wouldn't help me at all. As long as I can stream TV and movies (which I already can), I have no need for anything faster, particularly if batter life is impacted.
5. Updated OS - this is probably what would tempt me most, due to my incessant need to always run the newest software available. Not sure what actual improvements it will have, though...
I guess my point is, I look at the latest and greatest devices out there (GS3, OneX, etc.), and I think to myself, "If I had that device, what benefits would I have compared to my Nexus S". And honestly, I can't think of a single one.
Any thoughts!
Thanks!
I think almost the same as you. Thinking about change my Nexus S, but it make almost everything I need already. If I change, it's only too see something new, hehe.
I think part of this speaks to how great the Nexus S is. In nearly 18 months of bigger screens, dual-core and quad-core, higher resolution, bigger batteries, LTE, etc., I've barely even been tempted to switch. I think that Google pushing out ICS to the Nexus S so early was a huge "lift" to my deciding to hang onto it for so long.
The nexus S has a more compact design and better audio both from speaker and headphones. The camera isnt better on the galaxy nexus, only video recording is. The screen is higher resolution but has so many horror stories about it. I personally didnt like the colors that much on the galaxy nexus especially the whites which were the worst I have ever seen on an AMOLED screen. But apparently there are good and bad screens of galaxy nexus so maybe I saw the bad one.
The most tempting thing for me is dual core CPU and 1GB ram, 2 areas where the nexus S is notably behind now and it really does enhance smartphone experience to have dual core CPU and more ram. And obviously it will get updates faster in the future provided the nexus S gets anything at all which it may not after 4.0.4.
The galaxy nexus also looks so damn epic, one of the best looking android phones for sure. And textured plastic back >>> glossy plastic anyday.
The disappointing parts of the galaxy nexus for me are,
- screen is not as good as reviews would have you believe
- speaker sound is disastrous
- Not much of an upgrade in GPU from nexus S, just higher clocks
- too big
I suppose since you are an i9020 owner it would be easier for you to switch to galaxy nexus since you are used to SAMOLED screens. I have an i9023 and just love the SC-LCD on it, the galaxy nexus screen seems like too many compromises for those infinite blacks.
same dilemma
Same issue as me, not sure whether I should upgrade or not. I've always been a "nexus behind" in that I held onto the N1 when the NS came out and only bought the NS when the GN came out. It's been cheaper for me since I had to pinch money in college.
Now that I have a job and income, I'm really tempted to finally catch up and buy the GN even though I'm extremely satisfied with my NS...
Gambler_3 said:
The most tempting thing for me is dual core CPU and 1GB ram, 2 areas where the nexus S is notably behind now and it really does enhance smartphone experience to have dual core CPU and more ram. And obviously it will get updates faster in the future provided the nexus S gets anything at all which it may not after 4.0.4.
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For "daily driving" of web browsing/email/calendar/movies/music, how does dual core CPU and more RAM make a difference? Maybe faster app switching, smoother OS performance?
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For "daily driving" of web browsing/email/calendar/movies/music, how does dual core CPU and more RAM make a difference? Maybe faster app switching, smoother OS performance?
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Web browsing can max up nexus S ram pretty quickly which causes lag and launcher redraw on exit. Web browsing is perhaps the biggest advantage of dual core and 1GB ram especially if you like to use desktop versions.
There can be serious lag in doing anything when an app is being updated in the background I had to turn off automatic update for that and I think the single core CPU might be to blame for that.
With more ram you can run more third party apps that have background services. The ram is perhaps the biggest limitation of nexus S. It's almost impossible to play games smoothly when you are online on skype because it eats so much ram.
And lastly there are a few games now which lag on nexus S and I believe again the ram or CPU are to blame for that as we have very good GPU for our resolution.
But when it comes to screen and sound, nexus still holds its own against the new phones and provides a very satisfying multimedia experience.
I am personally still thoroughly satisfied with nexus S overall and will wait for the next nexus phone(or series of phones) to come.
happy with my nexus s, but if I had the chance and was able to afford it, I'd ditch it for the GS3 any day
why i want to upgrade:
1. more RAM, power.
---------- DEFINITELY something I found myself always wanting while watching videos on the browser.
---------- Annoying waiting for important apps such as dialer/camera to load up.
2. larger, hd screen. (especially for watching videos; something i do often)
3. camera
I also just wait for next nexus this december..
Buying galaxy nexus seem not worth it for me..
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I agree about waiting on the next Nexus release. I really like my NS still and I skipped out on the Galaxy Nexus. Now that we know a SERIES of Nexus's ( :what: ) are coming I'm definitely holding out. The S3 sounds great but the new Nexus line may out shine that later this year.
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I'd have to agree with everyone about the NS shortcomings when compared to today's phones. To add to the list is the internal sdcard. I will NEVER get another phone without a removable sdcard. 16GB is just not enough.
Unfortunately, my NS is also sensitive to overclocking and crashes often even with raised voltage. Anyway, it's still a good phone holding it's own for 18mos.
PS: i, too, will wait for the next Nexus.
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I would also say ram and cpu are pretty big improvements.. Although I'm waiting for the next nexus as well. It's only a few months away and it's gonna blow the gnex out of the water for sure.
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Web browsing can max up nexus S ram pretty quickly which causes lag and launcher redraw on exit. Web browsing is perhaps the biggest advantage of dual core and 1GB ram especially if you like to use desktop versions.
There can be serious lag in doing anything when an app is being updated in the background I had to turn off automatic update for that and I think the single core CPU might be to blame for that.
With more ram you can run more third party apps that have background services. The ram is perhaps the biggest limitation of nexus S. It's almost impossible to play games smoothly when you are online on skype because it eats so much ram.
And lastly there are a few games now which lag on nexus S and I believe again the ram or CPU are to blame for that as we have very good GPU for our resolution.
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Good explanation, thanks! Glad to hear that the RAM and CPU improvements will make a nice difference in my next device, even for daily tasks.
LordPhong said:
To add to the list is the internal sdcard. I will NEVER get another phone without a removable sdcard. 16GB is just not enough.
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What do you use to fill all this storage? I used to hold music on my phone and quickly maxed out the 16GB limit, but Google Music has completely obviated my need to hold files locally.
ddb540 said:
What do you use to fill all this storage? I used to hold music on my phone and quickly maxed out the 16GB limit, but Google Music has completely obviated my need to hold files locally.
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Some people aren't lucky enough to have multi-GB or unlimited data plans, let alone decent service to begin with. I'm also weary of sound quality with many online services too - i know what's going on with my own files.
al_madd said:
I also just wait for next nexus this december..
Buying galaxy nexus seem not worth it for me..
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Couldnt agree more with this.
I think it would be wiser if waiting for the next nexus
Gnex is good but is not good enough
For some reason I've never actually been attracted to the thought of replacing my NS with GN. I'm happy with my NS and recently, I've been tempted to get the SGS3. I've been tempted but my NS does everything I need and well, I think I'll wait till the next Nexus device shows up. Long live NS!
I like my new Asus Transformer Infinity, but not as much as I love my Samsung Galaxy sII. It bugs me that it appears that a lot of apps are much smoother/faster in loading data on the SII than on the Infinity, while the former is a year older with a slower CPU.
Does anyone has the same experience?
And what could be the cause?
On both devices I use almost the same apps, have the same accounts installed and i use the same wifi connection. My sII still uses ICS and my infinty JB (which in my opinion is much better then before), Both unrooted.
When I run the usual benchmarks (quadrant, antutu, browsermark), I get the scores you would expect: Infinity scores clearly higher than the SII and conform the results that other users report. Internet speed tests do also give expected results,
I'm experiencing the following. A lot of apps that load some data from the web (news apps for example) show a delay of 1 or 2 seconds, while the SII often loads the data instantly. Browsing on the SII gives me a smooth experience, while browsing on the Infinity often results in a couple of seconds that the tablet is unresponsive when the page is not loaded completely.
This effect is the strongest in the Stumbleupon app, which probably has an inferior browser built-in, but my SII still loads the new pages really fast. The infinity shows a lot of unresponsiveness in Stumbleupon and it results in a lot of ANR popups.
The ANR popups are not so prevalant in other apps. This did happen a lot more with ICS. On my SII I almost never get an ANR.
I understand that the tablet needs to render for a much higher resolution and that the tablet has some issues with IO performance. But can this make such a difference? Could it be that most apps are so terribly designed for tablets, that the tablet needs a lot of CPU time to upscale, which causes unresponiveness?
Or is it just my tablet?
gybema said:
I understand that the tablet needs to render for a much higher resolution and that the tablet has some issues with IO performance. But can this make such a difference?
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yes.
You are not alone. I also have a galaxy s2,and it's a lot faster than this tablet.
It is not that surprising. My Sensation also feel faster and more reliable than my Infinity, guess it is just right that the S2 is much faster. And yes, the resolution does matter a lot. Imagine running Skyrim or Crysis II a 1024x768 resolution versus at 1920x1080, the difference in frame rates will blow you away.
Yup,
Most games and apps are designed for phones not tablets.
Applications for phones driving that big 'ole 1920X1200 screen with a 12 core GPU just ain't going to respond the same as the junior sized screens at a much lower resolution.
Just wait when the apps catch on to the HD wave there will be many happy campers.
Takes time...
Asus uses a tegra and samsung uses exynos. The exynos/malli processor/GPU seems to perform much better than tegra despite that tegra is made by nvidia. on paper the GFLOPS and toals MADs produced by the Exynos is higher.
The screen also is a factor as FHD screen takes more time to push all the pixels on a 10.1 screen compared to a 4.3.
Architecture of chipset as well
Manufacture also plays a part. Their coding and software implementation to make the hardware and software work together. Samsung does better in this case. ASUS is always pushing updates.
Its not just the Infinity as this was the first thing I noticed when I got the Transformer Prime vs my S2. Does resolutions play a role? Maybe a bit more in the Infinity's case but the Prime and TF300 had resolutions that's not too far off from the Galaxy Nexus but the latter with 2 less cores sure did better than the Asus tablets.
Most of it is the cheap crappy internal memory Asus decided to use for their flagship device, some of it's the higher resolution.
Unibrow said:
Most of it is the cheap crappy internal memory Asus decided to use for their flagship device, some of it's the higher resolution.
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My wife's apple ipad 3 with the high resolution runs smooth like a baby's butt. I could only wish my infinity ran that smooth. Since complaints aren't only coming from me now the proof is right here...this tablet was made without thinking. Basically Asus wanted a great tablet on paper to jump ahead of everyone, ON PAPER, but in reality it is a pretty bad device for such a large amount of money. Better off with a cheaper laptop with an SSD drive in it really.
Not to be funny, but my droid charge (2 years old, first samsung lte phone) is faster and smoother than tf700! Asus build a biggest giant cruise ship and forgot to plug a hole in the bottom of the ship!
As any gamer knows, higher resolution means more resources needed, which means a lower frames-per-second rate. It simply has to render more.
Your S2 has a resolution of 480 x 800, your TF700 a resolution of 1920x1280. In terms of resource difference between those two, it's pretty much the difference between running Minesweeper and running Skyrim.
Add to that the fact pretty much 99% of the apps are made for phones, and in most cases specifically the Galaxy series, and it's no surprise they run better on a small phone they're optimized for than on a large full HD tablet that most app-developers don't even consider.
ShadowLea said:
As any gamer knows, higher resolution means more resources needed, which means a lower frames-per-second rate. It simply has to render more.
Your S2 has a resolution of 480 x 800, your TF700 a resolution of 1920x1280. In terms of resource difference between those two, it's pretty much the difference between running Minesweeper and running Skyrim.
Add to that the fact pretty much 99% of the apps are made for phones, and in most cases specifically the Galaxy series, and it's no surprise they run better on a small phone they're optimized for than on a large full HD tablet that most app-developers don't even consider.
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The storage device is a piece of crap, there's nothing wrong with the graphics performance. Every single user experience issue with this tablet is down to data not getting read/written fast enough from/to storage. It's as simple as that.
Every application that uses "RAM" is subjective as fast as at my SGS2 (runnig CM9). But the i/o perfomance at stock ROM on my TF700 is really bad. With Browser2RAM surfing is a lot snapier but still not as snappy as at SGS2. Hopefully CM10 at TF700 works as much as possible around this storage issues.
Don't forget that the TF700T has the fastest RAM of all android devices that are on sale at the moment. But it has the slowest eMMC storage, too.
As far as the browser goes, use stock browser and if you are rooted, 1st look for app browser2ram and sideload it (and follow all instructions in thread dedicated to it), then (or for anyone else not rooted) type about:debug into browser address box, hit enter, then go to settings (three small vertcal dots in upper right hand corner of screen) and choose debug menu. Check the box next to Enable CPU Upload Pathand then close it. It speeds up the browser by a lot. I'm only using the stock browser now and I'm very satisfied with its performance.
The other suggestion I have for you that feel unhappy with the TF700's performance in general, is really consider unlocking, flashing a custom recovery (I highly recommend TWRP) and a rooted custom ROM, especially the CleanROM Ultra Light Edition v1.3. This JellyBean stock-based ROM is so fast and smooth and functional, you will wonder why you waited so long to have the device you had imagined. I kid you not. I've tried all the ROMs available for this device, and though they all have their strong points, for someone looking for a better than stock experience, where everything works, right now, this one's the best and it gets even better with each update. And this is just the beginning of wonderful development for the Infinity. This is honestly, a superb machine. We owe it to ourselves to take full advantage of it.
If you're running stock it's slow. If you optimise it it's pretty damn fast. Had mine lying next to an iPad 3 and they are on the same level. How to do it? Disable (a lot) of unneeded apps and use the right software (Firefox Aurora or the above mentioned Browser2Ram)
That's not much of a win considering the ipad 3 has a higher resolution with 2 less cpu cores and running 600mhz slower.
maedox said:
The storage device is a piece of crap, there's nothing wrong with the graphics performance. Every single user experience issue with this tablet is down to data not getting read/written fast enough from/to storage. It's as simple as that.
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Yup. This. The screen is a minor thing. If the ASUS engineers had not selected subpar parts for the internal SD, this thing would have absolute bleeding edge performance on every front. As it is, it often shows signs of brilliance but also has some limitations due to the system bottleneck. Your impression of the device user experience will depend heavily on your use model (and its associated memory footprint). The vast majority of issues/discussions wrt to this device basically come down to this one thing.
Barring some very serious OS hacking (ala the effort to allow external SD to replace internal) all the TF tabs will ALWAYS be limited by memory bandwidth. It's a hardware limitation. Either you can live with it or you can't. Too bad. Now that JB is here and the OS is finally decent/stable, this tab is one bad cost cutting measure away from being the undisputed best in class device in the industry. <shrug>
I'm not browsing very frequently and when I do, they are not heavy multimedia sites, so for me, the TF's certainly a really good user experience and I love the device. Games are great now that the driver bug is fixed for example. It's slightly frustrating knowing that the tab could have been amazing on EVERY front if they had spent another fifty cents on the memory... but that's life. I'll be happy if they just continue to support/stabilize/enhance the firmware. The hardware is what it is.
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That's not much of a win considering the ipad 3 has a higher resolution with 2 less cpu cores and running 600mhz slower.
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Well, I understand that the gpu is better and the whole ios thing is completely optimised for browsing, so yeah, it is kind of a good comparison in terms of user experience.
This!!!
My HTC Evo 4g LTE has more consistent performance than my TF700T....
It's kind of frustrating really and the fact that my daughter's ipad is ALWAYS smooth bothers the hell out of me...
Is this the way these things are designed or do I have a lemon on my hands?
The fact that there are articles instructing people that they can buy a $30 SD card and move their /data mount to the external micro SD card tells me this is a design issue...
There's nothing more frustrating than tapping the screen and not being able to tell if you mis tapped or if the tablet is IO locked and in a 'wait' state. and it happens way too damned much.
I'm not doing anything special.... all I can say is that I'm running a lot of apps and perhaps this is the problem (I've restricted background process to 4 and disabling all animations and am now using APEX launcher to even disable all animations + the wallpaper).
Max free RAM at any time is around ~250 MB...
I want to show this thing off but everytime I pull it out it's performing like **** and cache cleaning or rebooting doen't seem to help either...
Also to add - post JB I DID perform a factory reset as well. I've installed about 130 apps.
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Just curious, how does tf700 compare to other android tablets? Is it a a lot slower or less smooth? It one thing to compare it to phones. I want to know how it compares to a Samsung note 10.1.
I think that this is it for chip set and screen technology, i mean look at the the snapdragon 810 what do you need all that power for? My little moto g can handle pertty much every thing i can throw at it (but to be honest i would enjoy a little bit more power like a snapdragon S4 pro or MediaTek MT6592 so i can play ppsspp emulator smoothly thats it) but really for the average user a little games here a there like candy crush and Angry Birds and cash it the clan, really mostly instagram and facebook ,Twitter, kik etc. They do not need a snapdragon 810 to do such task at all this is a chip thst is almost as powerful as a ps3!!! Really i think chip makers should focus on better battery lifes more then anything esle and screen resloutions stop increasing them 1080p is enough l do not read my phone with a magnifying glass! Have you notice the sizes for batterys have increased but battery life still has not changed by much? i think next year there will be a increase in phone size just a mask a bigger battery for more procssing power and higher PPI screen and i think from this perfromce and battery life will take a hit this is all in the name of marketing... what are your thoughts?
tech_yeet said:
i think next year there will be a increase in phone size just a mask a bigger battery for more procssing power and higher PPI screen and i think from this perfromce and battery life will take a hit this is all in the name of marketing... what are your thoughts?
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There is huge potential in hybrid li/graphene batteries. Amateur applications already include everything from wind-up radios to completely replacing a car's battery pack.
I expect first smartphone super-capacitors to hit the market in late 2015.
izzylaif said:
There is huge potential in hybrid li/graphene batteries. Amateur applications already include everything from wind-up radios to completely replacing a car's battery pack.
I expect first smartphone super-capacitors to hit the market in late 2015.
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it seems like a powerful solution to this problem.
Hello,
I just wanted to stop by and give a review on the Tab 7.0 for those who are indescive about buying this specific tablet. So let's begin.
[EDIT: Using an FPS counter requires that the GPU be used for HW Overlays, therfore causing games to report lower FPS counts. ]
Gaming: An important factor since the 7.0 does not have the Snapdragon 400 and Adreno 305, instead packs a Marvell SoC and Vivante which is not so good for gaming. I tried a few games and this tablet runs great but not excellent. Here is a list of games I tried and my verdict:
•Asphalt 8: This game is great as long as you keep it in medium to ultra low settings. In medium there is a bit of lag every now and then but it does not interrupt gaming (At least I did not find it annoying). Keeping under low will make super smooth but quality won't be good. Going into High or higher will definitely make the game lag even in the menu.
•Prince of Persia: This game definetly runs great on this device there is a bit lag but happens rarely and barely noticeable.
•Collin McRae Rally: This game runs great but it not so smooth. Lag is noticeable but only happens every now and then when making turns and stuff. Also worth to mention loading screens are terribly slow taking up to 3 minutes for the race to load.
• Minecraft: I shouldn't even mention this game since it runs smoothly on almost every device including this one.
• Sonic CD: Like Minecraft, there is no lag since its a pixel based game.
•Deer Hunter 2014 v2: This is a graphic intensive game and manages to run smoothly on this device, lag may happen but its rarely ever noticeable.
• Topia: A modestly graphic intensive game but nevertheless runs excellent with no hiccups or lag whatsoever.
• Other: Games like Candy Crush, Uno, White Tavailableor other 2D games will work without any hiccups.
Gaming Rating: 7.5/10
GPS/Location: This is of worthy mention since I found the GPS not to work correctly most of the time and telling me location cannot be found. However going outside may sometimes improve detection. This however may vary to you.
GPS/Location Rating: 5/10
Animations: Animation is how good the device handles transition between apps and overall handling a basic 3D effects. To what I see Animations are definetly smooth even when pull down the notification bar from a Graphic intensive game. There is slight and rare lag when moving between apps but I noticed this only happens when having over 5+ apps open.
Animations Rating: 9.5/10
Multitasking: When having many apps open at the same time and using 2 at the same time using MultiWindow. Multitasking is great! No lag is seen when transitioning. MultiWindow is great and none of the apps seem to stutter. Like I mentioned, having 5+ apps open will cause very minor lag when transitioning. There might be lag when having a graphic intensive game running in the background.
Multitasking Rating: 8.5/10
Battery: This tablet packs a 4000 mAh battery that has amazing resitance and life. Multitasking and using only basic apps, I managed to go from 100% to 5% in 6 hours. While gaming only the battery life lasted 4 hours but may get even 3 depending on how intensive the game is.
Battery Rating: 8/10
Overall Tablet Rating: 7/10.
Overall Description: This is a rather smooth tablet ready to run any basic everyday tasks and even games, although it may not handle everything smoothly like its larger siblings. If you have the money and want a Galaxy Tab, I suggest going for the 8.0 or 10.1.
Things worth to mention:
OTG support is not available, most likely a hardware issue but may be solved by a firmware mod.
Storage is not great unless you get a 16GB variant since the 8GB model will only give you about 4GB of free space, keep in mind storage can be expanded by a microSDHC card.
Root is available by using the vRoot method for the 7.0 otherwise use TowelRoot.
See for more info on rooting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53020637
As of July 30th TWRP has become available and usable. See thread here for the T230: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54438741
If you like this review please upvote otherwise please comment on anything you disagree or would like to add.
404-Not Found said:
GPS/Location: This is of worthy mention since I found the GPS not to work correctly most of the time and telling me location cannot be found. However going outside may sometimes improve detection. This however may vary to you.
GPS/Location Rating: 5/10
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Hello
As far as i know, GPS works only outdors....
If You have a 3G/LTE version with AGPS, then it can work indors....
So, no wonder that You couldn`t get a fix...
Ran some some banchmarks. Worth to mention the 3D Mark Ice Storm test score was about 500~ points higher than the average Galaxy Tab 4 7.0.
Here they are:
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I don't know what is wrong with my tab4 7 but my kids say mine craft glitches and I find candy crush is laggy. Would love a way to speed it up. FYI I tried setting it to ART and it bootlooped
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I don't know what is wrong with my tab4 7 but my kids say mine craft glitches and I find candy crush is laggy. Would love a way to speed it up. FYI I tried setting it to ART and it bootlooped
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I found that too. Be a good thing to advise everyone with a 7" NOT to enable ART runtime, you will bootloop. You can try to Greenify some background apps, install Adaway to reduce ad loading and bandwidth usage, and the Seeder app can have a slight effect on responsiveness.
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rezistrat said:
I don't know what is wrong with my tab4 7 but my kids say mine craft glitches and I find candy crush is laggy. Would love a way to speed it up. FYI I tried setting it to ART and it bootlooped
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I don't know thats weird really everyting runs smooth on my tab. I would advise your kids to close their apps when their done with them. Also if its rooted you may install Greenify to boost some performance. Also I don't know if this tab can be OC but I read that the PXA1088 can boosted to 1.3GHz, a 100 MHz boost from stock settings.
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FYI, PS3 controller is compatible via Bluetooth since we don't have OTG. Must have root though.
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ART
ok for people using ART DON"T UNLESS YOU ARE STOCK the hardware due to marvell SoC.2 ( system on chip ) pretty much the same as a AM1 ( FSb1 ) socketing system so it will not support ART if rooted so stop trying to use it it WILL NOT WORK it works on stock but TAKES FOREVER to run if you want to use ART reload the firmeware that's posted in this section and THEN ROOT only issue after is since it's ment for optimizing apps and space you delete apps it might crash so fare warning
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Hello,
I just wanted to stop by and give a review on the Tab 7.0 for those who are indescive about buying this specific tablet. So let's begin.
Gaming: An important factor since the 7.0 does not have the Snapdragon 400 and Adreno 305, instead packs a Marvell SoC and Vivante which is not so good for gaming. I tried a few games and this tablet runs great but not excellent. Here is a list of games I tried and my verdict:
•Asphalt 8: This game is great as long as you keep it in medium to ultra low settings. In medium there is a bit of lag every now and then but it does not interrupt gaming (At least I did not find it annoying). Keeping under low will make super smooth but quality won't be good. Going into High or higher will definitely make the game lag even in the menu.
•Prince of Persia: This game definetly runs great on this device there is a bit lag but happens rarely and barely noticeable.
•Collin McRae Rally: This game runs great but it not so smooth. Lag is noticeable but only happens every now and then when making turns and stuff. Also worth to mention loading screens are terribly slow taking up to 3 minutes for the race to load.
• Minecraft: I shouldn't even mention this game since it runs smoothly on almost every device including this one.
• Sonic CD: Like Minecraft, there is no lag since its a pixel based game.
•Deer Hunter 2014 v2: This is a graphic intensive game and manages to run smoothly on this device, lag may happen but its rarely ever noticeable.
• Topia: A modestly graphic intensive game but nevertheless runs excellent with no hiccups or lag whatsoever.
• Other: Games like Candy Crush, Uno, White Tavailableor other 2D games will work without any hiccups.
Gaming Rating: 7.5/10
GPS/Location: This is of worthy mention since I found the GPS not to work correctly most of the time and telling me location cannot be found. However going outside may sometimes improve detection. This however may vary to you.
GPS/Location Rating: 5/10
Animations: Animation is how good the device handles transition between apps and overall handling a basic 3D effects. To what I see Animations are definetly smooth even when pull down the notification bar from a Graphic intensive game. There is slight and rare lag when moving between apps but I noticed this only happens when having over 5+ apps open.
Animations Rating: 9.5/10
Multitasking: When having many apps open at the same time and using 2 at the same time using MultiWindow. Multitasking is great! No lag is seen when transitioning. MultiWindow is great and none of the apps seem to stutter. Like I mentioned, having 5+ apps open will cause very minor lag when transitioning. There might be lag when having a graphic intensive game running in the background.
Multitasking Rating: 8.5/10
Battery: This tablet packs a 4000 mAh battery that has amazing resitance and life. Multitasking and using only basic apps, I managed to go from 100% to 5% in 6 hours. While gaming only the battery life lasted 4 hours but may get even 3 depending on how intensive the game is.
Battery Rating: 8/10
Overall Tablet Rating: 7/10.
Overall Description: This is a rather smooth tablet ready to run any basic everyday tasks and even games, although it may not handle everything smoothly like its larger siblings. If you have the money and want a Galaxy Tab, I suggest going for the 8.0 or 10.1.
Things worth to mention:
OTG support is not available, most likely a hardware issue but may be solved by a firmware mod.
Storage is not great unless you get a 16GB variant since the 8GB model will only give you about 4GB of free space, keep in mind storage can be expanded by a microSDHC card.
Root is available by using the vRoot method for the 7.0 otherwise use TowelRoot.
See for more info on rooting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53020637
If you like this review please upvote otherwise please comment on anything you disagree or would like to add.
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I got this tablet for $160 from Costco. I wish it was a bit faster but for the price I cannot complain. My Nexus 5 doesn't lag like the tab 4 under high demand but for almost a third the price and a huge screen (in comparison) its perfect. I would have chosen the nexus 7 ideally, but the price point on this tab was ideal. $160 compared to $230 plus shipping made this a no-brainer. If you have a good phone and computer, the tab 4 will make you very happy.
brandenk said:
I got this tablet for $160 from Costco. I wish it was a bit faster but for the price I cannot complain. My Nexus 5 doesn't lag like the tab 4 under high demand but for almost a third the price and a huge screen (in comparison) its perfect. I would have chosen the nexus 7 ideally, but the price point on this tab was ideal. $160 compared to $230 plus shipping made this a no-brainer. If you have a good phone and computer, the tab 4 will make you very happy.
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I still don't understand why everyone says it lags, really this a fast tab that can handle most games. Quad Core and everything it's still fast. Coming from someone who used 2011 Kindle Fire for 3 years, this Tab is God. Really my phone has a Quad Core Snapdragon 400 and Adreno 305 just like the Tab 8 and Tab 10.1, yet it lags a lot more than the tab.
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Sadly the in the Minecraft category this tablet lacks. A LOT. I tried it on the settings that it was automatically set to and I was getting maybe around 10-20 fps. It was largely unplayable. Its somewhat playable with everything turned down though. I'll give it that much.
Hey XDA people! I wanted to know if its possible to swap internal sdcard with external sdcard. I have already rooted my device.
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Hey XDA people! I wanted to know if its possible to swap internal sdcard with external sdcard. I have already rooted my device.
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Unfortunately, not as of now. Try folder mount tho, it will connect your App data in your SD CARD to the folder equivalent in the internal.
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TheOriginalist said:
Sadly the in the Minecraft category this tablet lacks. A LOT. I tried it on the settings that it was automatically set to and I was getting maybe around 10-20 fps. It was largely unplayable. Its somewhat playable with everything turned down though. I'll give it that much.
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Max 54, min 8. Almost no visible lag. At 24 FPS, during snapshot. 20-30 Average
Edit: Screenshot is not uploading
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There it is
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custom roms
Ive rooted my tab 4 sm-T230NU and im looking for a custom rom that would work with my device. Anyone know of any
modunlocker said:
Ive rooted my tab 4 sm-T230NU and im looking for a custom rom that would work with my device. Anyone know of any
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No custom ROMs available. We have recovery but that doesn't work well yet. I would expect 3-6 months before we even see a ROM
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IMPORTANT: Using an FPS counter requires that the GPU be used for HW Overlays, therfore causing games to report lower FPS counts.
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How do i swap external memory with internal?
Hi! I'm a bit worried about the Galaxy S6 graphics performance. I'm currently owning an iPhone 6 and I read about benchmark testings where the iPhone 6 and also the HTC One M9 got much better results for graphics intensive tasks. Maybe the S6 has just enough power for current games, but what about in a year's time? So I'm thinking about keeping my iPhone. Any thoughts?
S6 has much higher resolution screen than both of those phones. That is why it may have lower scores on the on screen bench mark portion of the tests.
Anyways benchmarks are garbage and shouldn't be cared about.
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s6-review-1227p5.php
any game runs on native 2k res will run slower than your iphone on s6. but games generally run on 1080p so you will barely see any difference cuz s6's gpu can handle 1080p easyly.
http://www.telekom-presse.at/smartp...apdragon_810_im_htc_one_m9_und_a.id.33301.htm
That's what I found. From what I understand, multicore performance is only relevant for some special apps. Regarding graphics performance the S6 seems to be crushed by the iPhone and the HTC One M9. I don't care that the Samsung has a higher resolution. All that counts is that you have good framerates in games. The QHD is overkill anyway.
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http://www.telekom-presse.at/smartp...apdragon_810_im_htc_one_m9_und_a.id.33301.htm
That's what I found. From what I understand, multicore performance is only relevant for some special apps. Regarding graphics performance the S6 seems to be crushed by the iPhone and the HTC One M9. I don't care that the Samsung has a higher resolution. All that counts is that you have good framerates in games. The QHD is overkill anyway.
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nope. like i said pretty much all games running on 1080p most. so you can just check offscreen test to check which faster. i have exynos note 4 pretty much whole games running around 60 fps.
Firstly Iphone6 is 25 % of the resolution of ss6 or even lower because it is not proper HD 720p. When you buy a suit which one is going fit better, of the shelf or custom tailored? The same is happen in IOS. The benchmarks need to be optimalised for IP even before they are accepted to the Store. The suit is custom tailored .
Secondly I am owning xperia z and most of the games works flawlessly which is 2 years old (gta and nfs which works medium setting). Furthermore most of the games will not be able to utilize full potential of the samsung S6. From the other perspective i own shield tablet which pretty much owns the benchmarks in terms of graphics performance, guess what there are games which still stutter as hell. I would prefer perform a benchmark on lollipop 5.1 because 5.0.2 is kind of s****. Look at the nexus 6 on the 5.1 is much better and faster
In regards to the HTC M9 the question is how sustainable the frame rate is going to be with the throttling , what is going to happen after 3 hours of playing games.
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http://www.telekom-presse.at/smartp...apdragon_810_im_htc_one_m9_und_a.id.33301.htm
That's what I found. From what I understand, multicore performance is only relevant for some special apps. Regarding graphics performance the S6 seems to be crushed by the iPhone and the HTC One M9. I don't care that the Samsung has a higher resolution. All that counts is that you have good framerates in games. The QHD is overkill anyway.
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Then the S6 isn't for you. Get the HTC One M9 instead.
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Then the S6 isn't for you. Get the HTC One M9 instead.
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For gaming I have my Nintendo DS, Wii and Tablet. Honestly I don't put much importance on 'weak graphics' . As long as it loads the games that's fine.
I care more about having a fast, stable and responsive phone with a great camera. Gaming is at the very bottom of my list.
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Hi! I'm a bit worried about the Galaxy S6 graphics performance. I'm currently owning an iPhone 6 and I read about benchmark testings where the iPhone 6 and also the HTC One M9 got much better results for graphics intensive tasks. Maybe the S6 has just enough power for current games, but what about in a year's time? So I'm thinking about keeping my iPhone. Any thoughts?
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First you honestly should stop reading AppleInsider, their the epitome of fan-boyism gone wrong. If you look at those benchmarks that were posted you can clearly see that at 1080p the S6 is faster than the iPhone 6 but since the S6 uses a higher resolution it's a little slower. Now when I say a little slower, I mean insignificant and is not enough to affect your overall experience by any measure.. Software has not caught up with the hardware yet. Anything with a Qualcomm 800 or better will be able to play every game listed in the Google Play Store without a single frame drop or lag. The iPhone is a good platform for gaming and media consumption, that's about it. The fact that you can't choose your own default apps, cannot run apps in the background except for iTunes and a few GPS apps, has the worst file-management I have ever seen on any mobile OS including dumb phones that uses a proprietary Java system and horrible inner-app communication I would seriously consider jumping ship. Android, though not perfect is eons better than iOS, especially now that Android 5.11 has been released. Here's the kicker, I don't even use an Android phone, I'm rocking a BlackBerry Passport but I do have a Nexus 9 for office work and an Nvidia Shield for play.
I had an iPhone 6 Plus for about a week, I honestly tried to make it work, installed iFile to hopefully make sense of the chaos from iOS saving files under the app that created them, who does that, but it didn't help much. I tried installing OneDrive and Google Drive because I could have a terebyte of data from both of them for the same price as a single terebyte from iCloud but because what I said above about the horrible inner-app communication none of the apps except those from Microsoft and Google supported saving files directly. I had to open the clients up individually and pray that I could remember which app was used to create the file that I wanted to upload so I didn't have to spend 30 minutes going through 100 apps to find out. This of course is an exaggeration but you get the point. With my Passport all I have to do is go into my Documents folder using the fantastic built in file manager and than wham, there's my files. I can also search every file from a certain date, zip them up and upload them to a cloud storage of my choosing without having to buy another app to do so, all built in. Same thing with my Android tablet's.
I know when I install any app that I will be able to access said app through the Share function of other apps, unlike iOS's apps which uses a pre-programmed list of allowed apps to share with on a per app basis. So I never know which app can share with what, it's a crap shoot and extremely inconsistent. Does it sound like I really dislike iOS, can you blame me. I use a terminal app to keep ties on the applications I write for my clients, at any given time I could be logged in up to 8 different servers performing updates, which means compiling. With both my Passport and Nexus 9 all I have to do is start the compile job and than minimize the terminal app and continue working on other things until completion. With iOS this isn't possible, well it is but I have to keep the terminal app in the foreground because if I minimize it all of processes will be terminated iOS doesn't support full multitasking, what is this, the 90's. To add even more frustration if I have more than 3 connections going at once, even though the terminal app is in the foreground, iOS will start terminating connections. Why, 1GB of memory, yep, in 2015, simply ridiculous on the highest order. iOS's supposedly wonderful memory manegment just goes out the window when faced with such tasks. Here's a simple test you can do now on your phone, start typing up your response to me, do about a paragraph and than switch over to another app for about 5 minutes, just watch a YouTube video to pass the time, when you come back to Safari your work would have been lost, Safari has refreshed the page, why, lack of memory.
Doesn't it piss you off that you can't choose your own default apps, if it doesn't it should. Sure I can install another email client, no problem but what is the point when it isn't listed in any of the apps that I have installed, so something as simple as say, attaching a file while in another program isn't possible because only Apple's email client is ever listed. With my Passport regardless of the app I'm using I can attach a file to any app that is installed and supports the app that I'm sharing from, same thing with Android, any. Do you like Evernote, it's great because you can send files to it from almost every app in iOS, mark my words though, the second Apple releases a cloud note taking app of their own, you will no longer see Evernote listed as possibility to share to.
I can go on and on about the disdain I have for iOS but I think you get the picture. Even if the S6 turns out not to be for you I would still recommend ditching the iPhone. Apple isn't a good company anymore and is hell bent on controlling you, please get out from under their thumb. Even if you don't use the features I described above, I mean just think about what their doing, is it right, don't you think they should allow their users to decide which apps they want to use as defaults, that's just evil man.