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Hi everyone!
There are debates about Qualcom 615 (adreno 405) performance. Could share your empressions about speed, lugs and else.
How smooth it works with browsers, heavy apps and games.
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Tbh, I don't see much difference with a Moto X 2013 updated to 5.1. Snappy, browsing is cool as usual, you can switch from one app to another quite fast and well, everyday tasks are "Motorola as usual", y'know?
I feel like the keyboard swipping tray is at a low fps though. and it's quite annoying, anyone else have that problem?
Specs wise... Well, the clockspeed is the same as the 2013, but it has double the cores. My Antutu score with the X Play is 33k and 28k with the 5.1 2013.
I'm not really demanding performance-wise (no 3D games, etc.) but I definitely notice it when my music lags when I open another app (started doing that on my 2013 with the 5.1 update :/), and the X Play doesn't do that, yay!
alenym said:
Tbh, I don't see much difference with a Moto X 2013 updated to 5.1. Snappy, browsing is cool as usual, you can switch from one app to another quite fast and well, everyday tasks are "Motorola as usual", y'know?
I feel like the keyboard swipping tray is at a low fps though. and it's quite annoying, anyone else have that problem?
Specs wise... Well, the clockspeed is the same as the 2013, but it has double the cores. My Antutu score with the X Play is 33k and 28k with the 5.1 2013.
I'm not really demanding performance-wise (no 3D games, etc.) but I definitely notice it when my music lags when I open another app (started doing that on my 2013 with the 5.1 update :/), and the X Play doesn't do that, yay!
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Thanks for your comment. As I understood there is no any critical issues whith performance, it's smooth and fast?
I'm considering upgrading from my Galaxy s5 mainly for the extra battery life, but am worried about a drop in a performance. Anyone upgraded from a 800 series snapdragon mobile?
simacca said:
I'm considering upgrading from my Galaxy s5 mainly for the extra battery life, but am worried about a drop in a performance. Anyone upgraded from a 800 series snapdragon mobile?
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I'm coming from a few devices. I mostly used the Nexus 6 and I can tell this phone isn't as fast as the N6. There are way more micro lags on the X Play. But, the flip side is the camera is much better and the battery actually lasts all day, so I can deal with some lag here and there.
^Pretty much echoes my opinions compared to my Zenfone 2
I do feel those micro lags, and sometimes it pisses me off , i'm looking forward to get Moto X style , it's not that X play is bad, still kept my LG g4 and Galaxy S6 in the drawer so you get the point . When i get the X Style i might switch back to X play because of the battery is very good.
I'm curios why they didn't just put in a last gen 800 series cpu-gpu. I get they are trying to save money but I really don't think this is the solution. Due to initial benchmarks, the 615 is slower than a SD 800 in almost every category and even the multi-core is slower. I'm much rather have a faster quad-core than a slower octa-core. Does anyone else agree or am I missing something in the octa-core debate?
Battery life and cost are my guesses.
Yeah I think it's exactly what Devhux said. Well battery life could be less of a concern on a big.LITTLE architecture, but Motorola isn't exactly known for putting cutting edge technology in its phone!
I really think it's the cost, to keep it under the 400$ (cad) mark.
I've turned my animation scales down to .5x in the developer settings. It's definitely making a difference. I don't mind the 615. I really want to get the Style but I can't imagine battery life will be very good. Too much screen.
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Yeah I think it's exactly what Devhux said. Well battery life could be less of a concern on a big.LITTLE architecture, but Motorola isn't exactly known for putting cutting edge technology in its phone!
I really think it's the cost, to keep it under the 400$ (cad) mark.
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Of course, it's also entirely possible that Motorola is being very conservative with the CPU Governor as well. Given that the phone barely even gets warm to the touch (unless maybe playing games), there's a good chance custom kernels could unlock a bit more performance for us. We've got the battery capacity to allow for some tweaking, and I can't wait to see what happens.
My main point of comparison is the Asus Zenfone 2, which I've always enjoyed considered "smooth." Of course, battery life and the camera are absolutely destroyed by the Moto X Play. Display is also better (and brighter) on the Moto.
Coming from the S6 Edge this phone feels auch faster. I'm very happy...also the battery lasts like twice as long
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I've turned my animation scales down to .5x in the developer settings. It's definitely making a difference. I don't mind the 615. I really want to get the Style but I can't imagine battery life will be very good. Too much screen.
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Did you turn down all three animation scales options to 0.5x?
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Did you turn down all three animation scales options to 0.5x?
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Yes I did. There's still a decent amount of lag but it's definitely better.
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Yes I did. There's still a decent amount of lag but it's definitely better.
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Guys, I did the same and my Xplay is a little beter now. But, sometimes I feel that the touch screen is not sensitive. I have a z3 too, and the touch is very sensitive, every little touch in screen, z3 reconize it, but the Xplay, I have to touch with more "force".
Do you also feel that ?!
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Guys, I did the same and my Xplay is a little beter now. But, sometimes I feel that the touch screen is not sensitive. I have a z3 too, and the touch is very sensitive, every little touch in screen, z3 reconize it, but the Xplay, I have to touch with more "force".
Do you also feel that ?!
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I haven't had an issue with touchscreen sensitivity on my Moto X Play. I'm coming from a Nexus 6 and Galaxy S6.
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I haven't had an issue with touchscreen sensitivity on my Moto X Play. I'm coming from a Nexus 6 and Galaxy S6.
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Very strange.
The touch is exactly the same, no differences ?
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I find the touch sensitivity on the Moto X Play is lower than the Galaxy S6, but not by a huge amount. It's not that the S6 felt more sensitive per se, it's that it felt more...consistent.
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I find the touch sensitivity on the Moto X Play is lower than the Galaxy S6, but not by a huge amount. It's not that the S6 felt more sensitive per se, it's that it felt more...consistent.
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Coming from a g3, but this.
Hello there!
I'm looking into buying a new phone and those 2 phones in the title called my attention. I'm coming from a Z Ultra so both of them look great to me.
The LeTV Max seems like the better alternative, but let's run down the specs of both of them (mediapad x2 on the left and letv max on the right)
CPU:
Kirin 930 (4x 2GHz and 4x 1.5GHz) x Snapdragon 810 (4x 2GHz and 4x 1.5GHz)
RAM:
3GB x 4GB
Screen size:
7" x 6,33"
Screen resolution:
1200x1920 x 1440x2560
Back Camera:
13MP x 21MP
Battery:
5000 mAh x 3400 mAh
As expected, the LeTV Max wins most of the categories but do they make that much of a difference? Would the +1GB of RAM be a good addition? The screen resolution bump is also pretty interesting, since the MediaPad x2 is going at a 323 ppi and the LeTV Max is at 464. The monster battery on the MediaPad x2 also gets me happy, and knowing that it's not pushing out as many pixels as the LeTV Max (despise the screen size difference) makes it look like it will last longer. Coming from a Z Ultra, the only thing that I really NEED on a camera is flash (the Z Ultra's camera is ok at best) but I don't really require that much quality since I rarely use it.
What do you guys think? For the people that already got a MediaPad x2, are you happy with it? Would you change to a LeTV Max if you had the chance?
Screen size is everything so I would go for the X2.
Plus you have support from XDA for the X2.
I am actually considering upgrading to an 8.0 inch MediaPad M2!
If you only look at the basic specs, the LeTV Max "looks" better. More memory, higher resolution screen, slightly faster CPU, faster GPU, compacter...
But there is also where it ends. The 810 is a know throttle monster that easily hits its thermal limits ( what most manufactures solve by limiting the SOC ). Its also not exactly friendly on the battery. My X2 even after hours of playing Fallout Shelter ( what is a know battery eater ), was just "warm". Not hot, just warm. I doubt that the same can be said about the 810 in the LeTV.
1440x2560? I do not care... On the X2 7" 1080p, you need to have 21/20 eyesight to see the pixels or have the phone right in front of your eyes. What people forget it, that the higher resolution = less space for light to pass = more / higher back light is needed = more power usage. And my eyesight is 20/20.
4GB Ram ... everybody love more ram. But lets be realistic... on my Sony ZU, i always had a health 500+ MB ( 0.5GB ) free in regards to ram ( comparing Android 5 on both systems ). And that was with a device that had two years worth of programs active. On my X2, i have between 1.7GB and 1.8GB free. So assuming the same program load like the ZU, there will be close to 1.5GB ( X2 had 1GB more ram then the ZU ) still free. That means on the LeTV, your looking at 2.5GB memory free with the same load. Nice ...
Camera ... If you come from a ZU, anything is a massive upgrade *lol*...
And now we come to the real reason to own the X2: 5000 mAh x 3400 mAh ...
Its not just 50% more battery power. The ZU also had a 3050mAh battery. Yet, my own battery results are more then impressive. So far the X2 is hitting 2 a 3 times the battery life consistently against then ( 2 year old ) ZU.
Technology has improved... While the X2 has a bigger screen, it seems to be more power efficient. The SOC is designed around those power efficient cores from bottom to top. Its a monster, not just pure on battery but in regards to battery life.
My best proof are some of the basic usage test i did before.
Screen on ( ZU: 45%, X2: 50% ( brighter then ZU to compensate the battery somewhat )), no activity.
ZU: Lost about 11% in 75 minutes.
X2: Lost about 4% in 75 minutes.
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And i forgot that i still had the GPS on for the X2. *oeps*. And the GPS like most receivers/transmitters are more battery eaters.
Real life battery:
On 25/08 at 21.30 i charged up the battery to 100%.
We are 28/08 around 22.30 and my battery is ... 68%.
In that time i spend around 20 minutes calling ( 2 * 10 min ), checking wechat, some quick surfing on 4G, doing some basic battery testing ( one day with 4G+Wifi, one day with 2G+Wifi, one day with 2G. And Wifi on at night ) and a bunch of other thing. For this same amount of time, my ZU will hit 15% on the battery left, with only 4G on during the day and Wifi at night.
Its a battery life monster! And thanks to some testing, i found that the best combination is:
Set 2G when your at work and only need to check wechat or other chat messages. 4G drains twice as much. Enable 4G only when you need to surf. For basic text chatting 2G is the same effect as 4G, you do not notice the difference ...
Wifi/basic phone active drains about 3 a 4% in about 12 hours at night/morning.
2G/basic phone active / some times chatting during the day ( at work ), drains about 3 a 4% ( depends on the intensity that you chat/check/etc ) in +- 9 hours.
So with this combination, found that i can survive 24 hours, using maybe 6 a 8%, 10% in extreme for basic thing that i did before with my ZU, that took out maybe 30 a 40% ( yes, its not accurate because the ZU was using 4G all the time during the day ).
But to get back to the basic comparison:
The LeTV has a maybe more powerful CPU, GPU, more memory and higher resolution smaller screen combined with a smaller batter. Do the math? You know that your battery life at best will be "average". If you can live with that, then the LeTV is for you. But if you are like me, fed up with average battery life, then the X2 is way more up your alley.
Frankly, i do not know of any device that offers this size, battery life and still has phone capability... Beyond the X1 but that is running older A9 Cpu cores. The X2 beats the ZU with 25% in Antutu and frankly, i notice no slowdowns or other problems. And regarding faster GPU's. Sorry, but what do you care about the GPU? Those 3d games kill any device its battery, for what? If you want to really game, there are PC's, Console etc, where you can more enjoy the 3D experience. I found devices like this better with games that are more designed for the platform ( hard to explain ).
O and here is other a counter argument:
PRICE! X2 for 3GB/32GB = 399 Euro. The LeTV Max cheapest i found is 620 euro's... And i was lucky and was able to buy my X2 in a auction at 341 euro
I long time learned that specs alone do not make a good device, its the combination of those specs. I am frankly fed up with phone's that has a zillion "look how fast or how big resolution or " ... but they forget to mention that those things in general eat battery life and force people to spend every two or one! day recharging there phone. And the more you recharge, the more your battery capacity goes down. Fun these days with non-replaceable batteries.
Speaking of non-replaceable batteries. How is the LeTV its battery replacement? Also non-removable like most devices these days. I ask because the ZU its a disaster... you need to heatgun the glass to remove the glue, and then deal with a annoying flat cable. The X2 its just popping off some plastic, a few screws and you can simply unplug the power connector. The X2 battery replacement anybody can do.
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That's exactly what I had in mind. When I was buying the Z Ultra I was able to test and research it better since it was from a known brand. But for the X2 I'm having trouble coming across more specific informations. What you said is what I'm looking for.
The LeTV seems like a pain to repair and it's design looks boring. The specs were buying me but it's pretty much what you said, it's the combination of everything ( and the x2 looks pretty as hell). The only down side for me would be not having a water proof phone like the Ultra but it's something I can get over since it's not a priority for me.
I'll still wait for IFA to see if anything else comes up but the X2 is a strong participant in my choice ( and it's one of the few choices I can actually buy where I live). Thanks for the tips!
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Screen size is everything so I would go for the X2.
Plus you have support from XDA for the X2.
I am actually considering upgrading to an 8.0 inch MediaPad M2!
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If I were going for that, I would just go with one of those cheap 6" phablets with 720p screens, haha. The M2 is pretty overkill for me ( really pretty but still). I can still fit my Ultra on my pockets nicely so the X2 should be good, as far as size goes.
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That's exactly what I had in mind. When I was buying the Z Ultra I was able to test and research it better since it was from a known brand. But for the X2 I'm having trouble coming across more specific informations. What you said is what I'm looking for.
The LeTV seems like a pain to repair and it's design looks boring. The specs were buying me but it's pretty much what you said, it's the combination of everything ( and the x2 looks pretty as hell). The only down side for me would be not having a water proof phone like the Ultra but it's something I can get over since it's not a priority for me.
I'll still wait for IFA to see if anything else comes up but the X2 is a strong participant in my choice ( and it's one of the few choices I can actually buy where I live). Thanks for the tips!
If I were going for that, I would just go with one of those cheap 6" phablets with 720p screens, haha. The M2 is pretty overkill for me ( really pretty but still). I can still fit my Ultra on my pockets nicely so the X2 should be good, as far as size goes.
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I looked at the LeTv when searching for large phablets. It's smaller screen size and puny battery turned me off. All these spec wars mean nothing. 1080p vs 2k in a small screen means nothing. 3gb vs 4gb in an Android phone mean nothing if I don't see a performance boost. The X2 is without a doubt the best all around large phone/tablet out there right now. Huawei is a more well known brand especially now that they are making the next Nexus phone.
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I looked at the LeTv when searching for large phablets. It's smaller screen size and puny battery turned me off. All these spec wars mean nothing. 1080p vs 2k in a small screen means nothing. 3gb vs 4gb in an Android phone mean nothing if I don't see a performance boost. The X2 is without a doubt the best all around large phone/tablet out there right now. Huawei is a more well known brand especially now that they are making the next Nexus phone.
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Yea, it's what I thought but when you get almost no reviews and comments about a phone, the specs are the only thing I can use for a guide on this. Huawei is a known brand, just not like Sony. The Z ultra had tons of reviews and feedback when it came out, but I could only find 1 review and many unboxings/ hands on. Thanks for the help!
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That's exactly what I had in mind. When I was buying the Z Ultra I was able to test and research it better since it was from a known brand. But for the X2 I'm having trouble coming across more specific informations. What you said is what I'm looking for.
The LeTV seems like a pain to repair and it's design looks boring. The specs were buying me but it's pretty much what you said, it's the combination of everything ( and the x2 looks pretty as hell). The only down side for me would be not having a water proof phone like the Ultra but it's something I can get over since it's not a priority for me.
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Water proof is one of those oversold features. Do you use your smartphone in the shower? Do you use your smartphone while swimming ( by the way, Sony does not advice trying out the water proof in anything but clean water because chloor or salt = bad )? Its more of a annoy always opening up that usb cover. In all my life i never lost a phone because of water damage. If it rains, you do not use the phone. Simple as that. Or you use it under a umbrella. A bit of rain on the screen of the X2 or any non-water proof phone, will not destroy it. Its all pressed together. I found the water proof more of a excuse so they do not need to install a removable battery. And having it replaced by the manufacture ... awwwwww... Same reason why i sold my ZU: It will cost more to replace the battery by Sony ( and you STILL lose your water proof protection because even Sony can not guarantee that when they re-glue it, it will be water proof! ).
The X2 feel nice in the hand. I was planning on buying a case but i like the heavy metal feel instead of that glass feel that ZU had. It feels more robust. You do not feel like it will break and you need a protector. Disadvantage is that the metal is also slippery. Frankly, i like to get some plastic protector for the back of the X2, that is "grippy". The funny part being is, the X2 feels more premium with the metal, then the ZU.
I now just use the default protection plastic that was on it ( put it back ) and it gives more grip. But its not clean ( full of explanation text *lol* )
For the rest ... if you come from the ZU, its a bit of adjustment. The X2 is only 1cm thicker on the side, but it gives a massive visual difference. The X2 looks BIG, compared to the ZU. Yet, its only 1 cm difference. Its that optical illusion effect from long & slender.
Worst part is probably the default launcher and DPI. Its set to 400 default and that is crazy. 280 is perfect for this device but it gives some problems with the default software from Huawei ( they still try to render some things in 400 dpi ). But nothing beats having Chrome in 280dpi, with tabs and full desktop rendering and still perfectly readable
O yea, and one thing i miss from my ZU, is that the X2 by default does not turn off its Wifi when you leave the house ( the ZU has a option for that ). You can do it ( there are 3th party programs ) that do it, but you need to root it ( takes a while to get the unlock code from Huawei ).
Khiuli said:
If I were going for that, I would just go with one of those cheap 6" phablets with 720p screens, haha. The M2 is pretty overkill for me ( really pretty but still). I can still fit my Ultra on my pockets nicely so the X2 should be good, as far as size goes.
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The M2 is overkill. That is more a tablet. Smaller battery, bigger screen, bigger size, no phone capability. Price almost the same.
Khiuli said:
Yea, it's what I thought but when you get almost no reviews and comments about a phone, the specs are the only thing I can use for a guide on this. Huawei is a known brand, just not like Sony. The Z ultra had tons of reviews and feedback when it came out, but I could only find 1 review and many unboxings/ hands on. Thanks for the help!
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You can simply look up the X1 for basic reviews. The X2 is just a upgraded X1 with a better SOC ( CPU/GPU/Memory/Flash ). The basic design & internally is almost identical. There are also a few Russian etc reviews ( google translate ) that go fairly in dept. The biggest complaint in every review ... size. Just like with the ZU. Its a "acquired" taste.
Anyway, its your money but the LE Max, i removed that from the list months ago, because of the almost identical battery size like the ZU. For phone's of this size, its not acceptable that they have batteries inside of only 3000/3400mAh.
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Water proof is one of those oversold features. Do you use your smartphone in the shower? Do you use your smartphone while swimming ( by the way, Sony does not advice trying out the water proof in anything but clean water because chloor or salt = bad )? Its more of a annoy always opening up that usb cover. In all my life i never lost a phone because of water damage. If it rains, you do not use the phone. Simple as that. Or you use it under a umbrella. A bit of rain on the screen of the X2 or any non-water proof phone, will not destroy it. Its all pressed together. I found the water proof more of a excuse so they do not need to install a removable battery. And having it replaced by the manufacture ... awwwwww... Same reason why i sold my ZU: It will cost more to replace the battery by Sony ( and you STILL lose your water proof protection because even Sony can not guarantee that when they re-glue it, it will be water proof! ).
The X2 feel nice in the hand. I was planning on buying a case but i like the heavy metal feel instead of that glass feel that ZU had. It feels more robust. You do not feel like it will break and you need a protector. Disadvantage is that the metal is also slippery. Frankly, i like to get some plastic protector for the back of the X2, that is "grippy". The funny part being is, the X2 feels more premium with the metal, then the ZU.
I now just use the default protection plastic that was on it ( put it back ) and it gives more grip. But its not clean ( full of explanation text *lol* )
For the rest ... if you come from the ZU, its a bit of adjustment. The X2 is only 1cm thicker on the side, but it gives a massive visual difference. The X2 looks BIG, compared to the ZU. Yet, its only 1 cm difference. Its that optical illusion effect from long & slender.
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Worst part is probably the default launcher and DPI. Its set to 400 default and that is crazy. 280 is perfect for this device but it gives some problems with the default software from Huawei ( they still try to render some things in 400 dpi ). But nothing beats having Chrome in 280dpi, with tabs and full desktop rendering and still perfectly readable
O yea, and one thing i miss from my ZU, is that the X2 by default does not turn off its Wifi when you leave the house ( the ZU has a option for that ). You can do it ( there are 3th party programs ) that do it, but you need to root it ( takes a while to get the unlock code from Huawei ).
The M2 is overkill. That is more a tablet. Smaller battery, bigger screen, bigger size, no phone capability. Price almost the same.
You can simply look up the X1 for basic reviews. The X2 is just a upgraded X1 with a better SOC ( CPU/GPU/Memory/Flash ). The basic design & internally is almost identical. There are also a few Russian etc reviews ( google translate ) that go fairly in dept. The biggest complaint in every review ... size. Just like with the ZU. Its a "acquired" taste.
Anyway, its your money but the LE Max, i removed that from the list months ago, because of the almost identical battery size like the ZU. For phone's of this size, its not acceptable that they have batteries inside of only 3000/3400mAh.
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The man is absolutely correct. It WAS cool to be able to answer my Z Ultra in the shower when someone called but opening up the rubber to charge it was a PITA. The Z Ultra was my least favorite phone I've ever owned. Nothing was good about it except for the screen size and waterproofing. (It was super thin but had a puny battery which negated the fact that it was so thin) I'm am so glad when it completely crapped out three weeks after I got it that I was able to return it to the seller for a refund and buy the X2.
Thanks for all the in-depth info, folks... I especially appreciated the information about how batteries are replaced. I have never bought a phone without a replaceable battery. I keep my phones for a long time (compared to as long as you probably do). I still have my Note 2 (in pristine condition - actually even with the first iSmooth screen protector I ever installed still in pristine condition). The only problem I ever had with my Note 2 is that just recently I had to buy a new battery because the old one had degraded to about 3/4 power... I have been researching both the X2 and the P8MAX and dying to buy either but, not being the pros that you are, I have been extremely hesitant to take the plunge because I was worried about repairs once the battery started degrading. So where would you bring the X2 for repairs here in the USA? Seriously, I don't have half the knowledge or experience that you have. I have been avidly reading every forum and website I can find regarding the X2 and the P8MAX to learn a little bit here and there. Thanks so much for your time to try to teach people like me!
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I mean, the phones I had before weren't bad, they simply just...couldn't really stand up to the Moto X Play. And they were high end phones too! Can you imagine?
I had the M8 before and then the Nexus 6. (more phones before those 2 but irrelevant)
Sure, the M8 had incredible speakers and a crystal clear display, same with the nexus 6. M8 had a nice build as well. But what always had me a little annoyed is the sense of security they lacked in battery.
Oh suuure, I will be the first to admit the 615 isn't too swell in day to day performance in Android itself, but it plays emulated games perfectly, plays games perfectly, does everything I need it to do, and the performance issues are highly overblown sometimes. 99% of the time it works just as well as any other high end phone.
What you get in return is decent speakers, decent screen, sturdy build, and an AMAZING battery life. This is the first phone where I think: Don't need a powerbank for this monster.
The SD card slot is very useful too, definitely and the camera? It's decent! Not bad, not amazing, just decent, but then we're talking about a midranger here. If Motorola had just put a Snapdragon 800 in here it would be the absolute perfect phone, but it's not a big deal either way. Marshmallow made big improvements in performance too.
Tell me, why do you love this phone?
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I mean, the phones I had before weren't bad, they simply just...couldn't really stand up to the Moto X Play. And they were high end phones too! Can you imagine?
I had the M8 before and then the Nexus 6. (more phones before those 2 but irrelevant)
Sure, the M8 had incredible speakers and a crystal clear display, same with the nexus 6. M8 had a nice build as well. But what always had me a little annoyed is the sense of security they lacked in battery.
Oh suuure, I will be the first to admit the 615 isn't too swell in day to day performance in Android itself, but it plays emulated games perfectly, plays games perfectly, does everything I need it to do, and the performance issues are highly overblown sometimes. 99% of the time it works just as well as any other high end phone.
What you get in return is decent speakers, decent screen, sturdy build, and an AMAZING battery life. This is the first phone where I think: Don't need a powerbank for this monster.
The SD card slot is very useful too, definitely and the camera? It's decent! Not bad, not amazing, just decent, but then we're talking about a midranger here. If Motorola had just put a Snapdragon 800 in here it would be the absolute perfect phone, but it's not a big deal either way. Marshmallow made big improvements in performance too.
Tell me, why do you love this phone?
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Battery performance for this phone is its core strength. For camera, I won't say it's decent. In daylight, it's amazing for the detail you can get. Yeah in low light noise creeps in but that's mainly due to high resolution of the sensor. The display is very bright at highest point and even at lowest it's much but bright. Yeah its back levels won't match an amoled display but it's an lcd after all. Sound quality on earphones is much much better for me.
The performance is great for me although there are little micro lags but that's nothing to worry about at least for me. The 6.0.1 files have leaked and I am going to flash them today as improvements have been reported.
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Biggest thing motorola could have done to drasticaly improve the phone is to put the Adreno 415 or 420 in the chipset to give it graphics grunt.They probably didnt because it would undercut the Style and Pure editions.
Apart from the somewhat weak graphics this phone is an absolute gem for the money
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I mean, the phones I had before weren't bad, they simply just...couldn't really stand up to the Moto X Play. And they were high end phones too! Can you imagine?
I had the M8 before and then the Nexus 6. (more phones before those 2 but irrelevant)
Sure, the M8 had incredible speakers and a crystal clear display, same with the nexus 6. M8 had a nice build as well. But what always had me a little annoyed is the sense of security they lacked in battery.
Oh suuure, I will be the first to admit the 615 isn't too swell in day to day performance in Android itself, but it plays emulated games perfectly, plays games perfectly, does everything I need it to do, and the performance issues are highly overblown sometimes. 99% of the time it works just as well as any other high end phone.
What you get in return is decent speakers, decent screen, sturdy build, and an AMAZING battery life. This is the first phone where I think: Don't need a powerbank for this monster.
The SD card slot is very useful too, definitely and the camera? It's decent! Not bad, not amazing, just decent, but then we're talking about a midranger here. If Motorola had just put a Snapdragon 800 in here it would be the absolute perfect phone, but it's not a big deal either way. Marshmallow made big improvements in performance too.
Tell me, why do you love this phone?
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I totally agreed! With all my Nexus phone prior this one I was pissed that the battery life was sooo horrible. I am a light user for the screen time (no games or long time videos watching) and I couldn't make it for 2 days without recharging. So I was looking this time for a phone with a really good battery time, a decent camera, a stock or close to stock firmware and something around $400 CDN. This phone is what I was looking for and even better then I expected. I like it so much that I even won a Galaxy 6 Edge+ in December and sold it because I was very satisfied with my Moto X Play. I Also just can't stand Touch Wiz user interface plus that $850 was really welcome in my pocket!
Lol. This is what we were all telling you both in the performance thread. It's a great phone once you know what to expect from it. Very solid performer
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Lol. This is what we were all telling you both in the performance thread. It's a great phone once you know what to expect from it. Very solid performer
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Except maybe I bricked it. See my other thread.
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Except maybe I bricked it. See my other thread.
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Dude you're fine. Soft bricks are always salvageable.
Will s8＋ have longer battery life than s7 edge?
Samsung claims the battery life will be relatively the same:
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-battery-claims/
It's kind of hard to really say if their claims will be accurate or not as there's multiple factors to consider. Firstly, the 8+ battery is 100 mAh smaller than the S7e, and it also has both a larger display, and more pixels in its display, which effects battery life dramatically. However, with a new, supposedly markedly more efficient processor, it's perfectly possible that it will be able to offset the loss of mAh and the larger display.
At very least, I think it's safe to say it will not have longer battery life than the S7e.
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Samsung claims the battery life will be relatively the same:
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-battery-claims/
It's kind of hard to really say if their claims will be accurate or not as there's multiple factors to consider. Firstly, the 8+ battery is 100 mAh smaller than the S7e, and it also has both a larger display, and more pixels in its display, which effects battery life dramatically. However, with a new, supposedly markedly more efficient processor, it's perfectly possible that it will be able to offset the loss of mAh and the larger display.
At very least, I think it's safe to say it will not have longer battery life than the S7e.
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It's a shame really, that's what we get for the current trend of slim is better. It's all about the aesthetics now...well that and the lessons learned from the Note 7 debacle. I'm sure they are nervous about making big changes in the battery department. Hopefully one of those battery breakthroughs that often get reported in the tech news see the light of day sooner rather than later.
I never get more than around 5 hours screen on time with any of the Galaxy series that I have owned. Even if I'm just doing light browsing and shut everything off lol. The Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus I have now gets me 7-9 hours and that's pretty insane, even with more intensive stuff. Pity it's not that great a phone. The camera sucks compared to my old S7. Oh well, at least the battery charges fast and there is an abundance of portable battery packs these days.
i hope it's the same, because i am tired of my S6 battery life, have to charge it 2-3 times everyday
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i hope it's the same, because i am tired of my S6 battery life, have to charge it 2-3 times everyday
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would have lost 20-30% of its max capacity by now. That's another problem with batteries that has been going on for far too long. That's something that needs innovation and fast.
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It's a shame really, that's what we get for the current trend of slim is better. It's all about the aesthetics now...well that and the lessons learned from the Note 7 debacle. I'm sure they are nervous about making big changes in the battery department. Hopefully one of those battery breakthroughs that often get reported in the tech news see the light of day sooner rather than later.
I never get more than around 5 hours screen on time with any of the Galaxy series that I have owned. Even if I'm just doing light browsing and shut everything off lol. The Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus I have now gets me 7-9 hours and that's pretty insane, even with more intensive stuff. Pity it's not that great a phone. The camera sucks compared to my old S7. Oh well, at least the battery charges fast and there is an abundance of portable battery packs these days.
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Eh, I think it might just be that cellphone manufactures have a mark they want to hit with battery life, and don't usually seem too interested in extending it beyond that. Every major flagship now seems to be in that 4-6 SOT range without much variance. Whether it be the iPhone, or G6, or Moto phones, they all seem to end up in that ballpark.
Personally, I get 4-5 hours of SOT with my S7 - and if I'm using my phone constantly using wi-fi, I can get get almost 6 hours of SOT under it. If the 8+ can be 15% better than that, like it should be, I'll be quite pleased.
CConn882 said:
Samsung claims the battery life will be relatively the same:
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-battery-claims/
It's kind of hard to really say if their claims will be accurate or not as there's multiple factors to consider. Firstly, the 8+ battery is 100 mAh smaller than the S7e, and it also has both a larger display, and more pixels in its display, which effects battery life dramatically. However, with a new, supposedly markedly more efficient processor, it's perfectly possible that it will be able to offset the loss of mAh and the larger display.
At very least, I think it's safe to say it will not have longer battery life than the S7e.
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It will be shorter on the S8. What Samsung are not telling people is that the battery stats for the S7 were done at it's full 1440p resolution (because Nougat was not out and resolution could not be changed at that time). The S8 battery stats are done using it's "default" resolution of 1080. So the numbers are manipulated to look similar but they are not comparing the same resolution, so the S8 will last LESS than the S7 if you run it at its 1440p resolution. IMO Samsung are intentionally misleading people to hide this fact.
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It will be shorter on the S8. What Samsung are not telling people is that the battery stats for the S7 were done at it's full 1440p resolution (because Nougat was not out and resolution could not be changed at that time). The S8 battery stats are done using it's "default" resolution of 1080. So the numbers are manipulated to look similar but they are not comparing the same resolution, so the S8 will last LESS than the S7 if you run it at its 1440p resolution. IMO Samsung are intentionally misleading people to hide this fact.
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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exactly, you can't just assume that they were talking about 1080p resolution, we have to wait and see....
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would have lost 20-30% of its max capacity by now. That's another problem with batteries that has been going on for far too long. That's something that needs innovation and fast.
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they say that their new battery can hold 95% of its age even after two years....
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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Credible source? Samsung's own documentation credible enough for you? They state the "default" resolution is 1080 in the documentation. They are NOT going to state that and then provide battery stats based on 1440 are they, now THAT would be stupid.
You'll see soon enough once someone does a good test of 1440p vs s7 at 1440p and 1080p vs s7 at 1080p. Don't say you weren't warned.
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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While I agree, I actually had the same suspicion as ewokuk.
I think it comes down to what is the default resolution the phone is shipping with.
The S8 and S8+ ship with FHD res, which is why I think their stats are for this resolution. What's the default res on the S7?
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Credible source? Samsung's own documentation credible enough for you? They state the "default" resolution is 1080 in the documentation. They are NOT going to state that and then provide battery stats based on 1440 are they, now THAT would be stupid.
You'll see soon enough once someone does a good test of 1440p vs s7 at 1440p and 1080p vs s7 at 1080p. Don't say you weren't warned.
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You are talking about things as if they are fact when in reality, you are making your own opinions.
Yes the default is 1080p so what? That just means the phone is set at FHD out of the box. Not that they did battery tests at that resolution. You need facts before telling people it's a reality. You putting two and two together is not a fact.
If you look at it from a more intelligent point of view, the battery is pretty much the same, the SoC is more battery efficient. Minus the larger screen battery drain and it should even out to be on par with the S7. What makes you think it will be worse battery life when you consider the hardware?
Mate, it'll be the same or not far off in either direction. The battery life of Samsung phones isn't great and people already know that. It's going to be average as usual. It's a pointless conversation. The phone will be bought by many regardless.
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While I agree, I actually had the same suspicion as ewokuk.
I think it comes down to what is the default resolution the phone is shipping with.
The S8 and S8+ ship with FHD res, which is why I think their stats are for this resolution. What's the default res on the S7?
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It's 1080p, as introduced by Android N. It didn't start that way however as it was launched with a default of QHD. The point is, there is nothing to suggest it will have worse battery life because the hardware says otherwise. It's an opinion until we have a definitive answer through testing and reviews. I can't say it will be more or less, it's only my OPINION that it will be on par with the S7. Ewokuk is pushing his suspicion as fact so I replied. That is all.
Edit- Just want to add that changing the resolution barely makes any difference to the battery life if any. It still has a QHD screen even if you change the res. You can't change the pixel count. It's more about giving you better performance in games etc. We will have to see.
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You are talking about things as if they are fact when in reality, you are making your own opinions.
Yes the default is 1080p so what? That just means the phone is set at FHD out of the box. Not that they did battery tests at that resolution. You need facts before telling people it's a reality. You putting two and two together is not a fact.
If you look at it from a more intelligent point of view, the battery is pretty much the same, the SoC is more battery efficient. Minus the larger screen battery drain and it should even out to be on par with the S7. What makes you think it will be worse battery life when you consider the hardware?
Mate, it'll be the same or not far off in either direction. The battery life of Samsung phones isn't great and people already know that. It's going to be average as usual. It's a pointless conversation. The phone will be bought by many regardless.
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It's 1080p, as introduced by Android N. It didn't start that way however as it was launched with a default of QHD. The point is, there is nothing to suggest it will have worse battery life because the hardware says otherwise. It's an opinion until we have a definitive answer through testing and reviews. I can't say it will be more or less, it's only my OPINION that it will be on par with the S7. Ewokuk is pushing his suspicion as fact so I replied. That is all.
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Oh come now, are you seriously telling me you think they set the default resolution to 1080 and then tested and made public battery expectations based on 1440 (AND didn't bother to tell people that these were based on 1440)? Wake up man, the company isn't THAT stupid, in fact the way they have done it is quite clever (enough to fool many people clearly). It won't be long until I am proved right when the proper tests come out. :good:
As for changing the resolution not having much effect on battery, that is only the case if all you do is browse the web. At 1080p it is still lighting up the full 1440p pixels yes, but it does not have to do the increased calculations to display a sharper image. This is why a graphics card on a pc (which does work in exactly the same way) can output a higher FPS when you lower the resolution.....it has far few calculations to do......but the monitor is still using the same number of pixels. The more graphically intense your usage, the worse the battery drain will be at 1440. So that will be videos and games like you say.
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Oh come now, are you seriously telling me you think they set the default resolution to 1080 and then tested and made public battery expectations based on 1440 (AND didn't bother to tell people that these were based on 1440)? Wake up man, the company isn't THAT stupid, in fact the way they have done it is quite clever (enough to fool many people clearly). It won't be long until I am proved right when the proper tests come out. :good:
As for changing the resolution not having much effect on battery, that is only the case if all you do is browse the web. At 1080p it is still lighting up the full 1440p pixels yes, but it does not have to do the increased calculations to display a sharper image. This is why a graphics card on a pc (which does work in exactly the same way) can output a higher FPS when you lower the resolution.....it has far few calculations to do......but the monitor is still using the same number of pixels. The more graphically intense your usage, the worse the battery drain will be at 1440. So that will be videos and games like you say.
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Nope, I'm saying that you don't know the battery life by looking at a spec sheet and neither do I. It's your opinion vs my opinion. Neither of our opinions are facts until proven.
I know how resolution works, how hardware works and you are correct in some ways. It's just that testing on the S7, while changing resolution has proven to not make a big difference in battery life. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe it's not truly changing the res as you would when setting it on your PC. All I know is that I didn't gain much in terms of battery when I tried it
What would be causing the S8 to have inferior battery life over the S7? The hardware suggests it should be around the same, forget about resolution and look at it that way. As you say and I agree with, we will have to wait and see.
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Nope, I'm saying that you don't know the battery life by looking at a spec sheet and neither do I. It's your opinion vs my opinion. Neither of our opinions are facts until proven.
I know how resolution works, how hardware works and you are correct in some ways. It's just that testing on the S7, while changing resolution has proven to not make a big difference in battery life. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe it's not truly changing the res as you would when setting it on your PC. All I know is that I didn't gain much in terms of battery when I tried it
What would be causing the S8 to have inferior battery life over the S7? The hardware suggests it should be around the same, forget about resolution and look at it that way. As you say and I agree with, we will have to wait and see.
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The thing I most disagree with ewok here about is how much effect the screen resolution has on battery life. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the S8 ends up having less battery life than the S7, but from what I know about phones, that will be FAR more likely due to screen size, processor, and the overall optimization of the phone than the screen resolution.
I mean, just as evidence of that, look at the Exynos and Snapdragon versions of the S7. Despite having the same screen resolution, size, etc., the Snapdragon variant of the phone ended up with poorer battery life due to poor optimization of the processor.
Hi,
So we all have phones that have something missing that other phones have... some things we wish our phones had!
I've made a Google form to allow everyone to "design" your ideal phone, I'm interested in seeing what people want from a new phone because for me I know that manufacuters keep introducing things that I know I wouldn't want and they negelect things that I do want.
I'd greatly appreciate if you'd be willing to fill in the following form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdBmFUmXMlSPw8rNAvo_9AhQi0aQQPpEOEFbi50xWiVTN-Tmg/viewform
Thanks!
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Hi,
So we all have phones that have something missing that other phones have... some things we wish our phones had!
I've made a Google form to allow everyone to "design" your ideal phone, I'm interested in seeing what people want from a new phone because for me I know that manufacuters keep introducing things that I know I wouldn't want and they negelect things that I do want.
I'd greatly appreciate if you'd be willing to fill in the following form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdBmFUmXMlSPw8rNAvo_9AhQi0aQQPpEOEFbi50xWiVTN-Tmg/viewform
Thanks!
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Complete it. Pretty much my current phone with a few extras (Oppo Reno 10x zoom) to gain absolute perfection.
One part was a little restricting...Maximum CPU/high battery usage? My phone has maximum CPU with quality battery meaning lower drain (SD855 and 2day battery life)
Some interesting responses so far... people are wanting:
- A strong phone (better screen protection, better frame strength & high levels of waterproofing)
- Significantly better battery life by having a thicker and heavier phone.
- But also wanting higher refresh rates, higher resolution, more cameras, more network bands, more sensors and better GPU performance..
To get all of that, you are looking at much pricer phones...
I basically want a Nokia Sirocco (5.5" screen 141 mm tall) with Snapdragon 845 or 855, sd-card slot, 3.5 headphone jack, 1-2 mm thicker for 4000 - 6000 mAh battery. (5.5" is enough screen size for me.)
Plus a LED notification light. 3 or more colors.