Will s8＋ have longer battery life than s7 edge?
Samsung claims the battery life will be relatively the same:
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-battery-claims/
It's kind of hard to really say if their claims will be accurate or not as there's multiple factors to consider. Firstly, the 8+ battery is 100 mAh smaller than the S7e, and it also has both a larger display, and more pixels in its display, which effects battery life dramatically. However, with a new, supposedly markedly more efficient processor, it's perfectly possible that it will be able to offset the loss of mAh and the larger display.
At very least, I think it's safe to say it will not have longer battery life than the S7e.
CConn882 said:
Samsung claims the battery life will be relatively the same:
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-battery-claims/
It's kind of hard to really say if their claims will be accurate or not as there's multiple factors to consider. Firstly, the 8+ battery is 100 mAh smaller than the S7e, and it also has both a larger display, and more pixels in its display, which effects battery life dramatically. However, with a new, supposedly markedly more efficient processor, it's perfectly possible that it will be able to offset the loss of mAh and the larger display.
At very least, I think it's safe to say it will not have longer battery life than the S7e.
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It's a shame really, that's what we get for the current trend of slim is better. It's all about the aesthetics now...well that and the lessons learned from the Note 7 debacle. I'm sure they are nervous about making big changes in the battery department. Hopefully one of those battery breakthroughs that often get reported in the tech news see the light of day sooner rather than later.
I never get more than around 5 hours screen on time with any of the Galaxy series that I have owned. Even if I'm just doing light browsing and shut everything off lol. The Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus I have now gets me 7-9 hours and that's pretty insane, even with more intensive stuff. Pity it's not that great a phone. The camera sucks compared to my old S7. Oh well, at least the battery charges fast and there is an abundance of portable battery packs these days.
i hope it's the same, because i am tired of my S6 battery life, have to charge it 2-3 times everyday
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i hope it's the same, because i am tired of my S6 battery life, have to charge it 2-3 times everyday
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would have lost 20-30% of its max capacity by now. That's another problem with batteries that has been going on for far too long. That's something that needs innovation and fast.
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It's a shame really, that's what we get for the current trend of slim is better. It's all about the aesthetics now...well that and the lessons learned from the Note 7 debacle. I'm sure they are nervous about making big changes in the battery department. Hopefully one of those battery breakthroughs that often get reported in the tech news see the light of day sooner rather than later.
I never get more than around 5 hours screen on time with any of the Galaxy series that I have owned. Even if I'm just doing light browsing and shut everything off lol. The Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus I have now gets me 7-9 hours and that's pretty insane, even with more intensive stuff. Pity it's not that great a phone. The camera sucks compared to my old S7. Oh well, at least the battery charges fast and there is an abundance of portable battery packs these days.
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Eh, I think it might just be that cellphone manufactures have a mark they want to hit with battery life, and don't usually seem too interested in extending it beyond that. Every major flagship now seems to be in that 4-6 SOT range without much variance. Whether it be the iPhone, or G6, or Moto phones, they all seem to end up in that ballpark.
Personally, I get 4-5 hours of SOT with my S7 - and if I'm using my phone constantly using wi-fi, I can get get almost 6 hours of SOT under it. If the 8+ can be 15% better than that, like it should be, I'll be quite pleased.
CConn882 said:
Samsung claims the battery life will be relatively the same:
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-battery-claims/
It's kind of hard to really say if their claims will be accurate or not as there's multiple factors to consider. Firstly, the 8+ battery is 100 mAh smaller than the S7e, and it also has both a larger display, and more pixels in its display, which effects battery life dramatically. However, with a new, supposedly markedly more efficient processor, it's perfectly possible that it will be able to offset the loss of mAh and the larger display.
At very least, I think it's safe to say it will not have longer battery life than the S7e.
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It will be shorter on the S8. What Samsung are not telling people is that the battery stats for the S7 were done at it's full 1440p resolution (because Nougat was not out and resolution could not be changed at that time). The S8 battery stats are done using it's "default" resolution of 1080. So the numbers are manipulated to look similar but they are not comparing the same resolution, so the S8 will last LESS than the S7 if you run it at its 1440p resolution. IMO Samsung are intentionally misleading people to hide this fact.
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It will be shorter on the S8. What Samsung are not telling people is that the battery stats for the S7 were done at it's full 1440p resolution (because Nougat was not out and resolution could not be changed at that time). The S8 battery stats are done using it's "default" resolution of 1080. So the numbers are manipulated to look similar but they are not comparing the same resolution, so the S8 will last LESS than the S7 if you run it at its 1440p resolution. IMO Samsung are intentionally misleading people to hide this fact.
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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exactly, you can't just assume that they were talking about 1080p resolution, we have to wait and see....
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would have lost 20-30% of its max capacity by now. That's another problem with batteries that has been going on for far too long. That's something that needs innovation and fast.
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they say that their new battery can hold 95% of its age even after two years....
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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Credible source? Samsung's own documentation credible enough for you? They state the "default" resolution is 1080 in the documentation. They are NOT going to state that and then provide battery stats based on 1440 are they, now THAT would be stupid.
You'll see soon enough once someone does a good test of 1440p vs s7 at 1440p and 1080p vs s7 at 1080p. Don't say you weren't warned.
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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While I agree, I actually had the same suspicion as ewokuk.
I think it comes down to what is the default resolution the phone is shipping with.
The S8 and S8+ ship with FHD res, which is why I think their stats are for this resolution. What's the default res on the S7?
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Credible source? Samsung's own documentation credible enough for you? They state the "default" resolution is 1080 in the documentation. They are NOT going to state that and then provide battery stats based on 1440 are they, now THAT would be stupid.
You'll see soon enough once someone does a good test of 1440p vs s7 at 1440p and 1080p vs s7 at 1080p. Don't say you weren't warned.
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You are talking about things as if they are fact when in reality, you are making your own opinions.
Yes the default is 1080p so what? That just means the phone is set at FHD out of the box. Not that they did battery tests at that resolution. You need facts before telling people it's a reality. You putting two and two together is not a fact.
If you look at it from a more intelligent point of view, the battery is pretty much the same, the SoC is more battery efficient. Minus the larger screen battery drain and it should even out to be on par with the S7. What makes you think it will be worse battery life when you consider the hardware?
Mate, it'll be the same or not far off in either direction. The battery life of Samsung phones isn't great and people already know that. It's going to be average as usual. It's a pointless conversation. The phone will be bought by many regardless.
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Dat Noob said:
While I agree, I actually had the same suspicion as ewokuk.
I think it comes down to what is the default resolution the phone is shipping with.
The S8 and S8+ ship with FHD res, which is why I think their stats are for this resolution. What's the default res on the S7?
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It's 1080p, as introduced by Android N. It didn't start that way however as it was launched with a default of QHD. The point is, there is nothing to suggest it will have worse battery life because the hardware says otherwise. It's an opinion until we have a definitive answer through testing and reviews. I can't say it will be more or less, it's only my OPINION that it will be on par with the S7. Ewokuk is pushing his suspicion as fact so I replied. That is all.
Edit- Just want to add that changing the resolution barely makes any difference to the battery life if any. It still has a QHD screen even if you change the res. You can't change the pixel count. It's more about giving you better performance in games etc. We will have to see.
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You are talking about things as if they are fact when in reality, you are making your own opinions.
Yes the default is 1080p so what? That just means the phone is set at FHD out of the box. Not that they did battery tests at that resolution. You need facts before telling people it's a reality. You putting two and two together is not a fact.
If you look at it from a more intelligent point of view, the battery is pretty much the same, the SoC is more battery efficient. Minus the larger screen battery drain and it should even out to be on par with the S7. What makes you think it will be worse battery life when you consider the hardware?
Mate, it'll be the same or not far off in either direction. The battery life of Samsung phones isn't great and people already know that. It's going to be average as usual. It's a pointless conversation. The phone will be bought by many regardless.
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It's 1080p, as introduced by Android N. It didn't start that way however as it was launched with a default of QHD. The point is, there is nothing to suggest it will have worse battery life because the hardware says otherwise. It's an opinion until we have a definitive answer through testing and reviews. I can't say it will be more or less, it's only my OPINION that it will be on par with the S7. Ewokuk is pushing his suspicion as fact so I replied. That is all.
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Oh come now, are you seriously telling me you think they set the default resolution to 1080 and then tested and made public battery expectations based on 1440 (AND didn't bother to tell people that these were based on 1440)? Wake up man, the company isn't THAT stupid, in fact the way they have done it is quite clever (enough to fool many people clearly). It won't be long until I am proved right when the proper tests come out. :good:
As for changing the resolution not having much effect on battery, that is only the case if all you do is browse the web. At 1080p it is still lighting up the full 1440p pixels yes, but it does not have to do the increased calculations to display a sharper image. This is why a graphics card on a pc (which does work in exactly the same way) can output a higher FPS when you lower the resolution.....it has far few calculations to do......but the monitor is still using the same number of pixels. The more graphically intense your usage, the worse the battery drain will be at 1440. So that will be videos and games like you say.
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Oh come now, are you seriously telling me you think they set the default resolution to 1080 and then tested and made public battery expectations based on 1440 (AND didn't bother to tell people that these were based on 1440)? Wake up man, the company isn't THAT stupid, in fact the way they have done it is quite clever (enough to fool many people clearly). It won't be long until I am proved right when the proper tests come out. :good:
As for changing the resolution not having much effect on battery, that is only the case if all you do is browse the web. At 1080p it is still lighting up the full 1440p pixels yes, but it does not have to do the increased calculations to display a sharper image. This is why a graphics card on a pc (which does work in exactly the same way) can output a higher FPS when you lower the resolution.....it has far few calculations to do......but the monitor is still using the same number of pixels. The more graphically intense your usage, the worse the battery drain will be at 1440. So that will be videos and games like you say.
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Nope, I'm saying that you don't know the battery life by looking at a spec sheet and neither do I. It's your opinion vs my opinion. Neither of our opinions are facts until proven.
I know how resolution works, how hardware works and you are correct in some ways. It's just that testing on the S7, while changing resolution has proven to not make a big difference in battery life. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe it's not truly changing the res as you would when setting it on your PC. All I know is that I didn't gain much in terms of battery when I tried it
What would be causing the S8 to have inferior battery life over the S7? The hardware suggests it should be around the same, forget about resolution and look at it that way. As you say and I agree with, we will have to wait and see.
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Nope, I'm saying that you don't know the battery life by looking at a spec sheet and neither do I. It's your opinion vs my opinion. Neither of our opinions are facts until proven.
I know how resolution works, how hardware works and you are correct in some ways. It's just that testing on the S7, while changing resolution has proven to not make a big difference in battery life. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe it's not truly changing the res as you would when setting it on your PC. All I know is that I didn't gain much in terms of battery when I tried it
What would be causing the S8 to have inferior battery life over the S7? The hardware suggests it should be around the same, forget about resolution and look at it that way. As you say and I agree with, we will have to wait and see.
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The thing I most disagree with ewok here about is how much effect the screen resolution has on battery life. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the S8 ends up having less battery life than the S7, but from what I know about phones, that will be FAR more likely due to screen size, processor, and the overall optimization of the phone than the screen resolution.
I mean, just as evidence of that, look at the Exynos and Snapdragon versions of the S7. Despite having the same screen resolution, size, etc., the Snapdragon variant of the phone ended up with poorer battery life due to poor optimization of the processor.
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Now before ppl bite my head off asking why, whats the point, im butthurt etc., my reasoning is I, along with many others, did this on my Note 4 and noticed both an increased in performance and battery life. I am just wondering if anyone has tried this yet on the S6? I know the QHD is one of its selling points, but there are some of us who dont notice the difference between 1080p, yet bought the S6 for its excellent build and stellar camera. Anyways, drop a reply if you wanna weigh in!
i would like to know also whether it does increase battery life!
Once you figure out how to remove all those extra pixels, please let us know
I dont think it will improve things nor battery life.
The downscaled resolution will also be on the full screen and will use also all the pixels. Therefor still all the pixels will be used and will be powered on.
Forget it, no chance.
Guessing this would mean GPU working less and therefore less power used. Not sure it would do much though. Of course actual screen power used would not decrease.
The screen can only display it's native resolution. All lower resolution images are upscaled to the native resolution.
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I dont think it will improve things nor battery life.
The downscaled resolution will also be on the full screen and will use also all the pixels. Therefor still all the pixels will be used and will be powered on.
Forget it, no chance.
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Ah didn't think about that. It's weird though because I analy tested this on my note 4 and noticed a 2 hour difference without fail in battery consumption. Maybe something else I did contributed to that change?. Anyways thanks for weighing in!
I do like everything about this phone except battery size. Its sad that google did not upgraded battery and it remain 2700mAh which is rather poor for this price range . Would it give at least 4 hour screen on time with this capacity ? If not then what else phone you will recommend with camera as good as pixel 2 ?
I would expect similar to slightly better than last year's Pixel battery life. My opinion is based on what I've seen from next gen devices from the beginning of Android.
Rajaasim1980 said:
I do like everything about this phone except battery size. Its sad that google did not upgraded battery and it remain 2700mAh which is rather poor for this price range . Would it give at least 4 hour screen on time with this capacity ? If not then what else phone you will recommend with camera as good as pixel 2 ?
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I have the Z2 Force. With my usage between the Z2, S8+, Note8, and my Nexus 5X they get similar numbers with the 5X being the lowest overall time. Z2 Force did a lot better than I expected and people thought the battery was way too small.
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I would expect similar to slightly better than last year's Pixel battery life. My opinion is based on what I've seen from next gen devices from the beginning of Android.
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I have not used normal pixel though pixel XL was great in battery but what was the average screen on time for last year pixel with same battery size?
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I have the Z2 Force. With my usage between the Z2, S8+, Note8, and my Nexus 5X they get similar numbers with the 5X being the lowest overall time. Z2 Force did a lot better than I expected and people thought the battery was way too small.
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Yes I have also used 5X and excellent camera but very poor battery as i was getting maximum 2.30 to 3 hour screen on time so have returned it . 6P has no good reputation about battery either.
we dont have z2 force in here and i assume its camera is not as good as you get from note 8 or pixel..By the way if you have used boht note 8 and s8 plus then which camera is better between these two?
thought because of sd835, amoled display and 3520mAh batterylife will be nice but we will see in reviews.
Rajaasim1980 said:
Yes I have also used 5X and excellent camera but very poor battery as i was getting maximum 2.30 to 3 hour screen on time so have returned it . 6P has no good reputation about battery either.
we dont have z2 force in here and i assume its camera is not as good as you get from note 8 or pixel..By the way if you have used boht note 8 and s8 plus then which camera is better between these two?
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I am not much of a camera guy. They both look better than the Z2. I give the Note8 the edge because of camera tricks you can do cause other than that I can't tell the difference between photos. Personally if you like photos you can't go wrong with either.
The Z2 has those mods going for it. Personally I use 2 mods. The projector and the battery. With the battery I get 3 days of usage between charges. The projector I use it to watch something at night in my bed. Great for my neck lol.
Personally if I can get 6 hours of SoT per day is all good for me.
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I am not much of a camera guy. They both look better than the Z2. I give the Note8 the edge because of camera tricks you can do cause other than that I can't tell the difference between photos. Personally if you like photos you can't go wrong with either.
The Z2 has those mods going for it. Personally I use 2 mods. The projector and the battery. With the battery I get 3 days of usage between charges. The projector I use it to watch something at night in my bed. Great for my neck lol.
Personally if I can get 6 hours of SoT per day is all good for me.
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6 hour screen on time is excellent and few phones can give this SOT with consistency
I had s7 edge before and was happy with battery(5 to 6 hour SOT on 4G) but still photography was not as good as on Pixel or even Nexus 5x/6p .
I don't know why high end phones don't look at battery department because all midrange or low end phones coming up with 4000mAh aand 5000mAh capacity and that also on 720 p screen . I don't mind extra weight as long as battery is excellent
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6 hour screen on time is excellent and few phones can give this SOT with consistency
I had s7 edge before and was happy with battery(5 to 6 hour SOT on 4G) but still photography was not as good as on Pixel or even Nexus 5x/6p .
I don't know why high end phones don't look at battery department because all midrange or low end phones coming up with 4000mAh aand 5000mAh capacity and that also on 720 p screen . I don't mind extra weight as long as battery is excellent
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Sadly that's the problem. There are people want thinner, waterproof, and lighter phones. There has also been no strides is battery for the hardware department. There's some promising projects but the costs currently isn't worth it.
Ironically the only reason why I got the battery mod for my Z2 was because that phone is lighter than the 5X.
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The original pixel would last me a solid day. I don't watch a lot of videos though so... If you're a youtube fanatic you're probably screwed.
yeah, pixel 1 is 2700mah and it seems ok..honestly, i get the same battery life out of this (if not better) than i did my v20 which was like 3200mah
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The original pixel would last me a solid day. I don't watch a lot of videos though so... If you're a youtube fanatic you're probably screwed.
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I don't know too much about YouTube on mobile usage, but generally video playing doesn't requires too much finger input and that's what consumes more battery. And I don't consider YouTube in WiFi to be so battery killer.
What really kills my battery are video calls......I never had a good battery with video calls.
I don't think your statement about YouTube giving you better battery is accurate at all. In fact I think that's completely false. Almost everyone review site uses screen on while running video because streaming , brightness, and video all eat up your battery quicker than say a static e-reader image.
For instance, almost every review site uses video run down tests on the phone. The run down tests usually knock a battery out in half the SOT.
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I don't think your statement about YouTube giving you better battery is accurate at all. In fact I think that's completely false. Almost everyone review site uses screen on while running video because streaming , brightness, and video all eat up your battery quicker than say a static e-reader image.
For instance, almost every review site uses video run down tests on the phone. The run down tests usually knock a battery out in half the SOT.
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You are right, I don't know too much about YouTube because I always use it via WiFi. I should had mentioned "video playing" (and not YouTube), so I don't bring the battery consumption used by LTE modem into this. I'll edit my post.
Now, in my experience browsing (tapatalk, whatsapp, chrome, all the apps that constantly requires you to be touching the display) consumes more battery than a video (at least a local video or movie downloaded in your memory).
It's about the same capacity as last year, and the s835 seems to be rather more efficient than the s820/821 judging by other manufacturers' results, so I expect it will be fine.
Hi,
Wich resolution you use ? (1080P/1440P)
And why ?
Please say if you have an S8 or S8+.
It would be Better if you are on Oreo (Samsung have working on it in Oreo for less difference on both resolution )
I use 1080p cant see the difference im on s8
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I use 1080p cant see the difference im on s8
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Thank, you are on Oreo?
1440P oreo. can see the diffirence in resolution, but not in the battery
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Thank, you are on Oreo?
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Yes im on Oreo
1440p for sure. If I need to last battery like for a long time (and forget my powerbank) i´ll just probably use battery saver - 720p. Don´t see reason why use 1080p anyway...
Problems with facebook on 720p. Pictures and videos are cropped.
I have seen big difference in smoothness .
For compared in fhd+ my s8 is more fast than mate 9 of my wife and In qhd+ the mate 9 win .
There's minimal battery difference between running it in fullhd+ and qhd+, the only way you would find some battery savings is if you play games a lot. I'm on oreo beta exynos
1440p. I'd rather it look better than get an extra 15 minutes of battery life
Wow...I can't believe people aren't using the full quality of the screen. You do realise the battery difference is negligible right? Whether you use FHD or QHD+, the display is still having to power up all the pixels. You save maybe 15 minutes of battery, nothing more, by using FHD.
Personally I can definitely see the difference in visual quality.
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Wow...I can't believe people aren't using the full quality of the screen. You do realise the battery difference is negligible right? Whether you use FHD or QHD+, the display is still having to power up all the pixels. You save maybe 15 minutes of battery, nothing more, by using FHD.
Personally I can definitely see the difference in visual quality.
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Yes agree with you but in term of performance the difference are no negligible.
Wtf are you guys talking about? The gpu is always running and rendering for full resolution. From what I understand, this "Screen resolution" setting is nothing like the "Screen resolution that you observe in Windows OS...". The difference is just the percieved resolution (BY APPS!!!) similar to what is done on MacOS..
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Wtf are you guys talking about? The gpu is always running and rendering for full resolution. From what I understand, this "Screen resolution" setting is nothing like the "Screen resolution that you observe in Windows OS...". The difference is just the percieved resolution (BY APPS!!!) similar to what is done on MacOS..
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Sorry but I don't agreed with you .
The operation of the gpu is the same as that on video games. If you play in FHD or QHD the request for power is not the same and you need a gpu/cpu more powerful .
A pixel is a pixel is a pixel. The higher the resolution, the "smaller" they seem.... You are still powering on all the pixels regardless ofthe resolution... The resolution, as it was mentioned before, is for the apps to use for scaling (if you ever develop anything for Android, read this article https://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html)
Resolution has little to no effect on battery, everyone stop crying about it...
1440p because I wasn't raised in a barn.
Haha! I just had to put that. I do use it but I have no good reason.
I have to agree with an earlier post that the higher resolution would impact performance.
I tried the highest resolution and I agree, everything looks much better and has close to 0 impact on battery life (if that's your thing) but I did notice a significant drop in performance.
That being said on 1080 there 0 lag, while on the higher resolution there's lag even in basic apps like messaging or contacts.
But that's my experience.
I don't really care that much about battery life on the s8 as it always got me through a whole day of usage, regardless of the settings, but I do care about performance.
I am 99% sure changing the resolution has an impact on gpu.
It's correct that I doesn't impact display power consumption but the gpu has to render more, so it will impact gpu performance.
Just my 2cents
So, according to the new store page, in comparison to the pixel 4/xl they cut
- Soli
- Faceunlock
- Pixel Neural Core (WHAT?! Why?!)
- Tele-Lens
- Highend Chipset
- Active Edge
- QHD+ Display (from 537 ppi down to 432 ppi )
- ip68 rating (ty u/kelderic, reddit)
And they 'gave' us
+ bigger battery
+ fingerprint (why not both?!)
+ 5G
+ wide (remember Google from last year? "We don't need wide, tele is good")
- Measly +2 GB Ram, still no storage available beyond 128 GB
What do you guys think 'bout that?
Compared to the Pixel 4/xl this just feels like a downgrade, even to the Pixel 3xl it's no real upgrade. Most people who think budget will not turn to this phone and the highend-spenders will not be pleased by this. I don't see googles angle hear, however they haven't shown any good angle recently anyway. And the heck did they remove the neural core? Plus getting a weaker soc.. just madnes.
Apparently neural core made face unlock work quicker so no loss there.
About the only thing I would prefer is higher ppi but I sure don't want to spend $1000 to get it.
My next phone will be 5G so pixel 4/xl aren't an option.
If it's not enough bang for the buck then just wait for black Friday and/or opt for the 4a 5G.
Google phones have never been the best phone for everyone.
Most likely the machine learning Ai stuff is included in the snapdragon 765 so no more dedicated chip is necessary. I would not worry too much
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Most likely the machine learning Ai stuff is included in the snapdragon 765 so no more dedicated chip is necessary. I would not worry too much
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No it is not included. Where did you get that idea?
darkoroje said:
No it is not included. Where did you get that idea?
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https://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-765-specs-1059745/
"Finally, Qualcomm’s fifth-gen AI engine is ported over partially intact, with a Hexagon 696 DSP with a dedicated Tensor Accelerator. The setup sports 5.5TOPS of AI compute."
So still I don't know what Google are using but they wouldn't get rid of it if it impacts performance much. So I don't worry
The Samsung S20FE will be competition at the same MSRP, includes Snapdragon 865, 120hz display, 4500mah battery. Appears to be on sale for $599. Of course it isn't a clean google phone.
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https://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-765-specs-1059745/
"Finally, Qualcomm’s fifth-gen AI engine is ported over partially intact, with a Hexagon 696 DSP with a dedicated Tensor Accelerator. The setup sports 5.5TOPS of AI compute."
So still I don't know what Google are using but they wouldn't get rid of it if it impacts performance much. So I don't worry
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Seems to be the case https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php
The pro is the camera will be brilliant and it's running stock android.
Pretty much everything else about the pixel 5 sucks
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The pro is the camera will be brilliant and it's running stock android.
Pretty much everything else about the pixel 5 sucks
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Yeah, good battery life, more than enough processing power for non gamers really sucks
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Yeah, good battery life, more than enough processing power for non gamers really sucks
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Good battery life remains to be seen.
I stand by my original statement, however I suppose I could have made it more clear...for a mid ranger it's fine.
For a flagship (which it isnt). It sucks.
Better?
Pros:
A pure Google software experience
Fingerprint sensor is back( no more awful face unlock)
1080p screen
4080mAh battery
Aluminum back (well, mostly)
Cons:
That awful hole punch (that has me considering canceling my order)
Ultra wide camera replacing the telephoto
Too big
Slow processor
Active edge is gone
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Sure, we technically don't know what the battery life will be but just knowing a little bit about phone hardware and some common sense indicates that the battery life should be pretty good.
The biggest battery drain on any phone is the screen mainly due to the screen resolution. So take the Pixel 4 XL for example. The battery life wasn't too bad but not great either. Now increase the size of the battery 10%, decrease the number of pixels by 42%(that alone is huge), decrease the overall screen area by 11%, add in a slightly more power efficient processor, remove Soli and remove face unlock and you basically have the Pixel 5. The only thing really working against the Pixel 5 in terms of battery life is the 5G which I'm going to turn off anyways. I have no concerns about the battery life of the Pixel 5.
The more interesting comparison is to the 4a. A significant price difference but both are a similar size and real world performance would be similar too.
This just leaves wireless charging, IP and maybe 90hz as the tangible differences you would notice day to day. Maybe it will feel more premium in hand too but that is hard to know right now.
I got the 4a with the intention of giving it to one of my parents with the 5 landed, I am now hesitating though as the 4a is terrific and I am not sure the 5 is £250 better.
great battery life great phone.
I have only had my pixel 5 for a week and i am super impressed with the battery life. I have been getting 3 days out of it . At the moment it has 25 % left and it's used 8 hours and 26 minutes of screen use , that's using google to simply surf the net and as I am a distribution driver i use Google Maps daily, I also make multiple calls daily and use Bluetooth all day for my vans multi media unit and my zenwatch 3 all day I am 61 years old so I have had tons of phones and I have to say i think this phone stacks up with the best including the Asus rog 3
Pros: Battery, form factor/weight, software.
Con: Price for what is being offered. The speakers are just OK. The gap issue from production quality. Luckily I was able to get my P5 for net cost of about 461 including tax after stacking a bunch of promos, etc. Also no gap issue on mine.
I'm not an iPhone fanatic so I have nothing to say about the iPhone 12. The only phone that I currently have and would recommend is the S20FE, but not at MSRP AND if it doesn't have these touch screen issues that people are talking about. Only thing with Samsung phones is that you have to spend additional time to customize to your liking and reducing bloat. I was also pleasantly surprised with the camera qualify after making settings adjustments to reduce saturation and softening in photos.
After using mine for about a week, I am kind of regretting trading in my 4XL for one reason....the ear speaker quality. It is literally the worst sounding earpiece and is extremely quiet relative to my 4XL. I was driving on the highway yesterday and could barely hear my client on the other end. Had to plug in my wired headset. Unacceptable. I will probably send in for a new unit to see if its any better, but everyone seems to have the same comment as I.
I can settle with almost every concession Google took, and I do think the fingerprint is a big welcome back feature. I hate face unlock especially with having to wear masks. Never made sense to me. The hole punch doesnt both me.
As far as Active edge is concerned. I guess, apparently the feature isn't 'official' on the Pixel 5.
Check the apps,mods section here on xda.
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Pros: Battery, form factor/weight, software.
Con: Price for what is being offered. The speakers are just OK. The gap issue from production quality. Luckily I was able to get my P5 for net cost of about 461 including tax after stacking a bunch of promos, etc. Also no gap issue on mine.
I'm not an iPhone fanatic so I have nothing to say about the iPhone 12. The only phone that I currently have and would recommend is the S20FE, but not at MSRP AND if it doesn't have these touch screen issues that people are talking about. Only thing with Samsung phones is that you have to spend additional time to customize to your liking and reducing bloat. I was also pleasantly surprised with the camera qualify after making settings adjustments to reduce saturation and softening in photos.
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I've sold my FE for the Pixel. The screen issues are annoying albeit the last update seems to have sorted it, but I just cannot live with the Samsung nonsense like cannot delete Samsung photos app and playing a dance to get to Google Photos
It's a great phone the FE but not when you are Googled up for home and work and can't be bothered working around 2 of everything
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I've sold my FE for the Pixel. The screen issues are annoying albeit the last update seems to have sorted it, but I just cannot live with the Samsung nonsense like cannot delete Samsung photos app and playing a dance to get to Google Photos
It's a great phone the FE but not when you are Googled up for home and work and can't be bothered working around 2 of everything
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The Pixel 5 is great. It just works out of the box. I'm enjoying mine and it has been a couple of weeks. You can debloat Samsung, but obviously that's additional steps. It's not hard, but quite frankly I just don't want to invest time with custom ROMs, adb commands, etc. Those days are long gone lol.
No me neither, I don't even want to root phones anymore can't be bothered
The FE would be a winner of Samsung ran stock Android
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No me neither, I don't even want to root phones anymore can't be bothered
The FE would be a winner of Samsung ran stock Android
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A bit true..but this would never happen. Htc had 1 model with 2 versions ...one with htc software and one with google only ...
I don't mean this to be as incendiary as the title might suggest, but I bought a S22U last week and was shocked by just how starkly different my experience with it was compared to all of the reviews.
Like the screen and camera are nice, sure, and it charges relatively fast...but the UI is slow and stuttery. Even when it's technically not stuttering, it still feels way more jerky and abrupt than phones like the Pixel, OnePlus, and the iPhone.
The battery life has also not been good at all. It's far worse than the S21U, and accubattery is saying I should only get 6.5 hours of SOT vs. the Pixel's 7 hours (for the Pro) and 7.5 hours (for the standard 6). If I recall, accubattery clocked the S21U at like 8 or 9 hours.
Has anyone else had a similar experience with this phone?
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I don't mean this to be as incendiary as the title might suggest, but I bought a S22U last week and was shocked by just how starkly different my experience with it was compared to all of the reviews.
Like the screen and camera are nice, sure, and it charges relatively fast...but the UI is slow and stuttery. Even when it's technically not stuttering, it still feels way more jerky and abrupt than phones like the Pixel, OnePlus, and the iPhone.
The battery life has also not been good at all. It's far worse than the S21U, and accubattery is saying I should only get 6.5 hours of SOT vs. the Pixel's 7 hours (for the Pro) and 7.5 hours (for the standard 6). If I recall, accubattery clocked the S21U at like 8 or 9 hours.
Has anyone else had a similar experience with this phone?
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Battery life could be better, but if your UI is slow and stuttery it usually means some background task is running at high priority constantly. That would also explain your terrible battery life.
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Battery life could be better, but if your UI is slow and stuttery it usually means some background task is running at high priority constantly. That would also explain your terrible battery life.
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Oh trust me, I checked all of that, and set practically everything to not run in the background.
I've also had the S21U before and didn't have that issue (despite not even bothering to change the background allowances).
Something else that's really strange to me;
I bought a Tab S8 too. Same processor, same RAM as the Ultra, and I've had no issues with the UI. It's great. Completely fluid and smooth.
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I don't mean this to be as incendiary as the title might suggest, but I bought a S22U last week and was shocked by just how starkly different my experience with it was compared to all of the reviews.
Like the screen and camera are nice, sure, and it charges relatively fast...but the UI is slow and stuttery. Even when it's technically not stuttering, it still feels way more jerky and abrupt than phones like the Pixel, OnePlus, and the iPhone.
The battery life has also not been good at all. It's far worse than the S21U, and accubattery is saying I should only get 6.5 hours of SOT vs. the Pixel's 7 hours (for the Pro) and 7.5 hours (for the standard 6). If I recall, accubattery clocked the S21U at like 8 or 9 hours.
Has anyone else had a similar experience with this phone?
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Battery life is nothing to write home about...but for my uses it lasts me a the whole day not a problem...but not much more than that. As for the slowness, jerkiness and stuttering, I do not experience that and I have mine set to wqhd+ mode. Performance is one thing I have been very happy with (I have the 12GB/512GB version).
I think it's a masterful device. No issues at all on my end.
What an odd question? If it were a bad phone, how come you bought it?
Call the S22 Ultra bad, disappointing or whatever adjectives fit. Bottom line it has more reported defects than any Samsung device in many years. If you're happy good for you but as we can see many users aren't thrilled with the performance of this very expensive device. It is what it is.
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Call the S22 Ultra bad, disappointing or whatever adjectives fit. Bottom line it has more reported defects than any Samsung device in many years. If you're happy good for you but as we can see many users aren't thrilled with the performance this very expensive device. It is what it is.
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While I tend to agree, do you have any sources for that tidbit? So I can use it in the future
S21 Ultra has come a long way in terms of updates/bug fixes and I strongly feel S22 Ultra needs major updates to be on par with S21 Ultra as far as as UI/smoothness is concerned.
Unless both S21U and S22U are used side by side(with latest firmwares installed), probably one will not be able to feel the difference and might end up saying "no UI/lag issues with S22 Ultra".
As for batterylife, I did several tests using same mobile operators, on same location, over same Wi-Fi network - on similar settings+usage pattern(mostly) and the batterylife of S22 Ultra(Snapdragon) turned out to be way less than S21 Ultra(Exynos). Going further, I did factory reset both, waited for over a week to settle down and ended up having the same experience.
The overall experience with 22U isn't the best yet considering its potential and I hope to see a lot of these issues getting fixed through future updates.
I have had no issues with lag or stutter. I suspect that you may have a defective device perhaps?
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S21 Ultra has come a long way in terms of updates/bug fixes and I strongly feel S22 Ultra needs major updates to be on par with S21 Ultra as far as as UI/smoothness is concerned.
Unless both S21U and S22U are used side by side(with latest firmwares installed), probably one will not be able to feel the difference and might end up saying "no UI/lag issues with S22 Ultra".
As for batterylife, I did several tests using same mobile operators, on same location, over same Wi-Fi network - on similar settings+usage pattern(mostly) and the batterylife of S22 Ultra(Snapdragon) turned out to be way less than S21 Ultra(Exynos). Going further, I did factory reset both, waited for over a week to settle down and ended up having the same experience.
The overall experience with 22U isn't the best yet considering its potential and I hope to see a lot of these issues getting fixed through future updates.
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The s21u (Exynos) wasn't great when I first got it after release. It really improved with the big update it got last August which was supposed to be OneUI 3.1 but wasn't actually called that. I'm hoping the S22u gets a similar update this year. The April update improved the S22u (Exynos) for me but I think it still has a way to go before is can really be called "flagship".
S22 Ultra EXYNOS 512/12GB is the worst Samsung's flagship what I owned and I almost had all of them from S series before.
So poor UI and lagging performance I really starting to hate it. Battery performance I have to charge twice during working day! I'm not a mobile gamer at all. Hopefully Samsung will finally fix it with May update as already delayed as too many problems overall with crappy Exynos this year. On top of it 45W charging it is a joke
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..... On top of it 45W charging it is a joke
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100% agreed.
For better experience i suggest change animation length from x1 for 0,5 in developer option. I do it in every samsung device and i feel a lot of better running UI than before.
But i agree with above users that S22U still need updates for better running.
Comparing side by side my Fold 2 (yes android 11 is the best opton for fold, most stable and fast) to S22U.
Fold 2 with snapdragon 865+ is noticeably faster in opening for example default apps like phone dialer, messages, web browser etc and scrolling same webs fold 2 is smoother than S22U.
At this moment in my opinion S22U is only little better in day performance from Note 20U Exynos but skipping battery life which is a lot of better than Note.
But overall i like my S22U like previous Note series except Note 20 U
as _grizzly_ stated, ive not had animations turned on since they were first implemented back in gb days, not only does it save battery it makes the ui faster, we dont need it to look fancy switching between screens, we need it to do it quickly, that wont be a fix to all your issues but all journeys start with a single step
I'm fully updated. No issues at all. It does everything it's supposed to do. Battery life is sh1te though / no getting round that point! But it's really no worse than any other leading Samsung device I've had in the past few years. They all drop at about 10% per hour.
I have the absolutely worst version of the S22U I guess. 8/128gb, Exynos.
No issues whatsoever. Fast, smooth, good battery. No lag or crashes for the two weeks I've had it.
So FWIW I have no complaints.
Camera setup is mindblowingly good for a phone, quite frankly ridiculously good.
The only minor minus would be the lack of proper native 960fps slomo (very niche thing anyway) but that's about it. S22U does some AI interpolation stuff there, and that's okay with me I guess. I'd rather have a better overall sensor there than one tailored for Tiktokers.
I've upgraded from an 8GB/512GB Exynos Note9 to a Snapdragon 12GB/512GB S22Ultra (S9080) and I couldn't be happier. Battery life is quite frankly amazing. The UI is buttery smooth. I don't like the in-display fingerprint sensor as much as the rear one from the Note9 and the form factor is a fair bit bulkier, but on the whole I'm personally very happy. Maybe I've just been very lucky.
A good Android phone has fastboot mode...