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I’m going to be buying a new phone soon. I’ve been eyeing up the Galaxy S II but I thought I might as well wait and see what is announced this month. One thing that all top end rumoured phones have in common is a 720p display. I have to admit this alone has tempted me to wait. But then I got to thinking, aside from the ‘cool’ factor. What benefit in the real world will a 720p display bring us?
The two main advantages that I can see are improved PPI and the obvious advantage when playing 720p videos. But a higher PPI means more processing power, which in turn means lower battery life. Also from an admittedly purely lazy point of view it means having to zoom in further to be able to read text.
A 720p display will now mean that 480p videos on youtube and the like will be upscaled and won’t look as good. ‘Just choose the 720p option’ you say. Fine, so long as you’re on wifi. Until 4G hits and is widespread (which in the UK is going to take a while) it will mean longer waits and buffer issues.
Yes I’m nit picking but I’d genuinely like to hear your thoughts on the pros and cons of a 720p display. I know there will be many more I’ve missed.
i see it from 2 sides....
720p = really nice picture quality
720p bad for some apps/games, which might no longer run properly, unless fixed, or some how the hardware can auto adjust the resolution to stretch it to fit.
720p can be a bit of a pain, if some Apps/Games developer decide to use too small of a touch area, due the larger dot-pix available in the 720p area
that also means DVD quality or lower quality videos played on the 720p will look like blurry or smeared, that can be fixed with software/hardware correction, like games.
^^ All that.
Plus, I don't really see the need for a 720 screen that's around the 4" size. Do you really need pixels that small? They'll be smaller than photons if we carry on like this and then it'll be reality that'll have to catch up with our tech
Personally, I wouldn't hold back for purely that one feature, but who knows what else is round the corner. Get a phone and let it be the best for a few months and then slowly drop down the list. As everyone always says, there's always something better coming, and if you waited then you'd never get anything.
Incidentally, I do have the SGS2, and it is REALLY nice
well definitely 1080p will be around the corner as we already stepped into the 720p kingdom
so 1080p on a 4" display would not be a long wait, but it will really make you think, what's the point of cramming so much in such a little screen
i can see 1080p to be a normal thin on a 10" tablet, but on a phone... that's a bit much
i do hope they don't go beyond 720p on any screen smaller than 5"
imagine running Windows Vista/7 on 15" wide LCD at 1080 (there are many laptops that are actually like that) it's soooooo eye strain-ful, it literally kills the eyes
i always down set the resolution back to something more readable to not strain my eyes
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i always down set the resolution back to something more readable to not strain my eyes
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Do you need your reading glasses as well, so you can find your pipe and slippers?
i don't wear glasses, and i intent to keep it that way, reason why i prefer an easy reading, on 480 vs 720
on 720 i'll have to probably the the font size twice as big, to make it easily legible when you are in the car, bus/subway, or walking
no i don't get dizzy reading while doing any of the above
many people can't read if they are in a moving vehicle
probably due the same relevant issue about having to scan the text in a small device and straining your vision, while trying to keep an eye on the road and not crashing
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i don't wear glasses, and i intent to keep it that way, reason why i prefer an easy reading, on 480 vs 720
on 720 i'll have to probably the the font size twice as big, to make it easily legible when you are in the car, bus/subway, or walking
no i don't get dizzy reading while doing any of the above
many people can't read if they are in a moving vehicle
probably due the same relevant issue about having to scan the text in a small device and straining your vision, while trying to keep an eye on the road and not crashing
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I agree with you, therebisbreally no reason to go above 720p resolution on small smartphone devices. I myself notice my eyes begin to hurt after more than thirty minutes or so of heavy reading on my Sensation. Now I know my Sensation does not have 720p but I am just saying the size of the screen and the text on that screen is no doubt a strain on the human eye after extended reading done on the device. 1080p is definitely so,ethimg that should just make it to the larger tablets and not smartphones.
Oh and yes actually paying attention to the road while you are driving is a highly recommended activity lol.
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that also means DVD quality or lower quality videos played on the 720p will look like blurry or smeared, that can be fixed with software/hardware correction, like games.
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This is just plain wrong, low resolution video will look just as good on 720p displays.
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Maybe i miss-understood your question, but i am using the Galaxy SII
I never had any screen / resolution issues
Well,first off,let's not forget that Android supports changing the DPI in build.prop(I think-haven't bothered in a while).I don't think manufacturers will leave 220-240 dpi of the current devices on 720p devices,but they would rather pump it up,so that everything stays the same size,but is just crisper.That's just my thought though.
On another note,lower resolution videos won't look worse at all.Resolution in that aspect is irrelevant.The same way that you can play a 720p video on a 480p screen without problems,you can do the opposite just as well.Unless some manufacturer decides to f*ck it up with upscaling tricks and stuff that will defo make the image blurry and ugly.
The only really valid argument on the topic,in my opinion,is the possible lack of processing power,especially when it comes to GPUs.We even saw the Mali MP-400,the most powerful GPU on a PHONE (DON'T SAY ABOUT THE A5 IN THE iPAD!!!!) to date,struggle to keep up in the case of the Galaxy Note's resolution.If the next gen of SoCs doesn't improve quite a lot in that aspect,we'll see some performance drops for sure.Not to mention the worst thing,the losses of battery life in case that extra power is met.Not that I mind about battery life as long as it makes it through the day,but many many people do.
Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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progressive, opposed to the i of interlaced.
Technically 720i use half the vertical pixels for each frame.
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Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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Yes man,we know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p
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Will s8＋ have longer battery life than s7 edge?
Samsung claims the battery life will be relatively the same:
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-battery-claims/
It's kind of hard to really say if their claims will be accurate or not as there's multiple factors to consider. Firstly, the 8+ battery is 100 mAh smaller than the S7e, and it also has both a larger display, and more pixels in its display, which effects battery life dramatically. However, with a new, supposedly markedly more efficient processor, it's perfectly possible that it will be able to offset the loss of mAh and the larger display.
At very least, I think it's safe to say it will not have longer battery life than the S7e.
CConn882 said:
Samsung claims the battery life will be relatively the same:
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-battery-claims/
It's kind of hard to really say if their claims will be accurate or not as there's multiple factors to consider. Firstly, the 8+ battery is 100 mAh smaller than the S7e, and it also has both a larger display, and more pixels in its display, which effects battery life dramatically. However, with a new, supposedly markedly more efficient processor, it's perfectly possible that it will be able to offset the loss of mAh and the larger display.
At very least, I think it's safe to say it will not have longer battery life than the S7e.
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It's a shame really, that's what we get for the current trend of slim is better. It's all about the aesthetics now...well that and the lessons learned from the Note 7 debacle. I'm sure they are nervous about making big changes in the battery department. Hopefully one of those battery breakthroughs that often get reported in the tech news see the light of day sooner rather than later.
I never get more than around 5 hours screen on time with any of the Galaxy series that I have owned. Even if I'm just doing light browsing and shut everything off lol. The Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus I have now gets me 7-9 hours and that's pretty insane, even with more intensive stuff. Pity it's not that great a phone. The camera sucks compared to my old S7. Oh well, at least the battery charges fast and there is an abundance of portable battery packs these days.
i hope it's the same, because i am tired of my S6 battery life, have to charge it 2-3 times everyday
abdelha said:
i hope it's the same, because i am tired of my S6 battery life, have to charge it 2-3 times everyday
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would have lost 20-30% of its max capacity by now. That's another problem with batteries that has been going on for far too long. That's something that needs innovation and fast.
Highspeed123 said:
It's a shame really, that's what we get for the current trend of slim is better. It's all about the aesthetics now...well that and the lessons learned from the Note 7 debacle. I'm sure they are nervous about making big changes in the battery department. Hopefully one of those battery breakthroughs that often get reported in the tech news see the light of day sooner rather than later.
I never get more than around 5 hours screen on time with any of the Galaxy series that I have owned. Even if I'm just doing light browsing and shut everything off lol. The Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus I have now gets me 7-9 hours and that's pretty insane, even with more intensive stuff. Pity it's not that great a phone. The camera sucks compared to my old S7. Oh well, at least the battery charges fast and there is an abundance of portable battery packs these days.
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Eh, I think it might just be that cellphone manufactures have a mark they want to hit with battery life, and don't usually seem too interested in extending it beyond that. Every major flagship now seems to be in that 4-6 SOT range without much variance. Whether it be the iPhone, or G6, or Moto phones, they all seem to end up in that ballpark.
Personally, I get 4-5 hours of SOT with my S7 - and if I'm using my phone constantly using wi-fi, I can get get almost 6 hours of SOT under it. If the 8+ can be 15% better than that, like it should be, I'll be quite pleased.
CConn882 said:
Samsung claims the battery life will be relatively the same:
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-battery-claims/
It's kind of hard to really say if their claims will be accurate or not as there's multiple factors to consider. Firstly, the 8+ battery is 100 mAh smaller than the S7e, and it also has both a larger display, and more pixels in its display, which effects battery life dramatically. However, with a new, supposedly markedly more efficient processor, it's perfectly possible that it will be able to offset the loss of mAh and the larger display.
At very least, I think it's safe to say it will not have longer battery life than the S7e.
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It will be shorter on the S8. What Samsung are not telling people is that the battery stats for the S7 were done at it's full 1440p resolution (because Nougat was not out and resolution could not be changed at that time). The S8 battery stats are done using it's "default" resolution of 1080. So the numbers are manipulated to look similar but they are not comparing the same resolution, so the S8 will last LESS than the S7 if you run it at its 1440p resolution. IMO Samsung are intentionally misleading people to hide this fact.
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It will be shorter on the S8. What Samsung are not telling people is that the battery stats for the S7 were done at it's full 1440p resolution (because Nougat was not out and resolution could not be changed at that time). The S8 battery stats are done using it's "default" resolution of 1080. So the numbers are manipulated to look similar but they are not comparing the same resolution, so the S8 will last LESS than the S7 if you run it at its 1440p resolution. IMO Samsung are intentionally misleading people to hide this fact.
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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exactly, you can't just assume that they were talking about 1080p resolution, we have to wait and see....
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would have lost 20-30% of its max capacity by now. That's another problem with batteries that has been going on for far too long. That's something that needs innovation and fast.
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they say that their new battery can hold 95% of its age even after two years....
Highspeed123 said:
You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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Credible source? Samsung's own documentation credible enough for you? They state the "default" resolution is 1080 in the documentation. They are NOT going to state that and then provide battery stats based on 1440 are they, now THAT would be stupid.
You'll see soon enough once someone does a good test of 1440p vs s7 at 1440p and 1080p vs s7 at 1080p. Don't say you weren't warned.
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You can't create your own facts. You need to provide a credible source to back up your claims. I personally don't believe it. Same res, similar battery and a less power hungry SoC. I'm pretty sure they have been further optimising their software too (for what that's worth). I'm almost certain that the battery will be on par with last year's model. I can't see any reason why not.
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While I agree, I actually had the same suspicion as ewokuk.
I think it comes down to what is the default resolution the phone is shipping with.
The S8 and S8+ ship with FHD res, which is why I think their stats are for this resolution. What's the default res on the S7?
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Credible source? Samsung's own documentation credible enough for you? They state the "default" resolution is 1080 in the documentation. They are NOT going to state that and then provide battery stats based on 1440 are they, now THAT would be stupid.
You'll see soon enough once someone does a good test of 1440p vs s7 at 1440p and 1080p vs s7 at 1080p. Don't say you weren't warned.
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You are talking about things as if they are fact when in reality, you are making your own opinions.
Yes the default is 1080p so what? That just means the phone is set at FHD out of the box. Not that they did battery tests at that resolution. You need facts before telling people it's a reality. You putting two and two together is not a fact.
If you look at it from a more intelligent point of view, the battery is pretty much the same, the SoC is more battery efficient. Minus the larger screen battery drain and it should even out to be on par with the S7. What makes you think it will be worse battery life when you consider the hardware?
Mate, it'll be the same or not far off in either direction. The battery life of Samsung phones isn't great and people already know that. It's going to be average as usual. It's a pointless conversation. The phone will be bought by many regardless.
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While I agree, I actually had the same suspicion as ewokuk.
I think it comes down to what is the default resolution the phone is shipping with.
The S8 and S8+ ship with FHD res, which is why I think their stats are for this resolution. What's the default res on the S7?
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It's 1080p, as introduced by Android N. It didn't start that way however as it was launched with a default of QHD. The point is, there is nothing to suggest it will have worse battery life because the hardware says otherwise. It's an opinion until we have a definitive answer through testing and reviews. I can't say it will be more or less, it's only my OPINION that it will be on par with the S7. Ewokuk is pushing his suspicion as fact so I replied. That is all.
Edit- Just want to add that changing the resolution barely makes any difference to the battery life if any. It still has a QHD screen even if you change the res. You can't change the pixel count. It's more about giving you better performance in games etc. We will have to see.
Highspeed123 said:
You are talking about things as if they are fact when in reality, you are making your own opinions.
Yes the default is 1080p so what? That just means the phone is set at FHD out of the box. Not that they did battery tests at that resolution. You need facts before telling people it's a reality. You putting two and two together is not a fact.
If you look at it from a more intelligent point of view, the battery is pretty much the same, the SoC is more battery efficient. Minus the larger screen battery drain and it should even out to be on par with the S7. What makes you think it will be worse battery life when you consider the hardware?
Mate, it'll be the same or not far off in either direction. The battery life of Samsung phones isn't great and people already know that. It's going to be average as usual. It's a pointless conversation. The phone will be bought by many regardless.
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It's 1080p, as introduced by Android N. It didn't start that way however as it was launched with a default of QHD. The point is, there is nothing to suggest it will have worse battery life because the hardware says otherwise. It's an opinion until we have a definitive answer through testing and reviews. I can't say it will be more or less, it's only my OPINION that it will be on par with the S7. Ewokuk is pushing his suspicion as fact so I replied. That is all.
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Oh come now, are you seriously telling me you think they set the default resolution to 1080 and then tested and made public battery expectations based on 1440 (AND didn't bother to tell people that these were based on 1440)? Wake up man, the company isn't THAT stupid, in fact the way they have done it is quite clever (enough to fool many people clearly). It won't be long until I am proved right when the proper tests come out. :good:
As for changing the resolution not having much effect on battery, that is only the case if all you do is browse the web. At 1080p it is still lighting up the full 1440p pixels yes, but it does not have to do the increased calculations to display a sharper image. This is why a graphics card on a pc (which does work in exactly the same way) can output a higher FPS when you lower the resolution.....it has far few calculations to do......but the monitor is still using the same number of pixels. The more graphically intense your usage, the worse the battery drain will be at 1440. So that will be videos and games like you say.
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Oh come now, are you seriously telling me you think they set the default resolution to 1080 and then tested and made public battery expectations based on 1440 (AND didn't bother to tell people that these were based on 1440)? Wake up man, the company isn't THAT stupid, in fact the way they have done it is quite clever (enough to fool many people clearly). It won't be long until I am proved right when the proper tests come out. :good:
As for changing the resolution not having much effect on battery, that is only the case if all you do is browse the web. At 1080p it is still lighting up the full 1440p pixels yes, but it does not have to do the increased calculations to display a sharper image. This is why a graphics card on a pc (which does work in exactly the same way) can output a higher FPS when you lower the resolution.....it has far few calculations to do......but the monitor is still using the same number of pixels. The more graphically intense your usage, the worse the battery drain will be at 1440. So that will be videos and games like you say.
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Nope, I'm saying that you don't know the battery life by looking at a spec sheet and neither do I. It's your opinion vs my opinion. Neither of our opinions are facts until proven.
I know how resolution works, how hardware works and you are correct in some ways. It's just that testing on the S7, while changing resolution has proven to not make a big difference in battery life. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe it's not truly changing the res as you would when setting it on your PC. All I know is that I didn't gain much in terms of battery when I tried it
What would be causing the S8 to have inferior battery life over the S7? The hardware suggests it should be around the same, forget about resolution and look at it that way. As you say and I agree with, we will have to wait and see.
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Nope, I'm saying that you don't know the battery life by looking at a spec sheet and neither do I. It's your opinion vs my opinion. Neither of our opinions are facts until proven.
I know how resolution works, how hardware works and you are correct in some ways. It's just that testing on the S7, while changing resolution has proven to not make a big difference in battery life. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe it's not truly changing the res as you would when setting it on your PC. All I know is that I didn't gain much in terms of battery when I tried it
What would be causing the S8 to have inferior battery life over the S7? The hardware suggests it should be around the same, forget about resolution and look at it that way. As you say and I agree with, we will have to wait and see.
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The thing I most disagree with ewok here about is how much effect the screen resolution has on battery life. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the S8 ends up having less battery life than the S7, but from what I know about phones, that will be FAR more likely due to screen size, processor, and the overall optimization of the phone than the screen resolution.
I mean, just as evidence of that, look at the Exynos and Snapdragon versions of the S7. Despite having the same screen resolution, size, etc., the Snapdragon variant of the phone ended up with poorer battery life due to poor optimization of the processor.
Hi,
Wich resolution you use ? (1080P/1440P)
And why ?
Please say if you have an S8 or S8+.
It would be Better if you are on Oreo (Samsung have working on it in Oreo for less difference on both resolution )
I use 1080p cant see the difference im on s8
Mads4295 said:
I use 1080p cant see the difference im on s8
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Thank, you are on Oreo?
1440P oreo. can see the diffirence in resolution, but not in the battery
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Thank, you are on Oreo?
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Yes im on Oreo
1440p for sure. If I need to last battery like for a long time (and forget my powerbank) i´ll just probably use battery saver - 720p. Don´t see reason why use 1080p anyway...
Problems with facebook on 720p. Pictures and videos are cropped.
I have seen big difference in smoothness .
For compared in fhd+ my s8 is more fast than mate 9 of my wife and In qhd+ the mate 9 win .
There's minimal battery difference between running it in fullhd+ and qhd+, the only way you would find some battery savings is if you play games a lot. I'm on oreo beta exynos
1440p. I'd rather it look better than get an extra 15 minutes of battery life
Wow...I can't believe people aren't using the full quality of the screen. You do realise the battery difference is negligible right? Whether you use FHD or QHD+, the display is still having to power up all the pixels. You save maybe 15 minutes of battery, nothing more, by using FHD.
Personally I can definitely see the difference in visual quality.
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Wow...I can't believe people aren't using the full quality of the screen. You do realise the battery difference is negligible right? Whether you use FHD or QHD+, the display is still having to power up all the pixels. You save maybe 15 minutes of battery, nothing more, by using FHD.
Personally I can definitely see the difference in visual quality.
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Yes agree with you but in term of performance the difference are no negligible.
Wtf are you guys talking about? The gpu is always running and rendering for full resolution. From what I understand, this "Screen resolution" setting is nothing like the "Screen resolution that you observe in Windows OS...". The difference is just the percieved resolution (BY APPS!!!) similar to what is done on MacOS..
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Wtf are you guys talking about? The gpu is always running and rendering for full resolution. From what I understand, this "Screen resolution" setting is nothing like the "Screen resolution that you observe in Windows OS...". The difference is just the percieved resolution (BY APPS!!!) similar to what is done on MacOS..
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Sorry but I don't agreed with you .
The operation of the gpu is the same as that on video games. If you play in FHD or QHD the request for power is not the same and you need a gpu/cpu more powerful .
A pixel is a pixel is a pixel. The higher the resolution, the "smaller" they seem.... You are still powering on all the pixels regardless ofthe resolution... The resolution, as it was mentioned before, is for the apps to use for scaling (if you ever develop anything for Android, read this article https://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html)
Resolution has little to no effect on battery, everyone stop crying about it...
1440p because I wasn't raised in a barn.
Haha! I just had to put that. I do use it but I have no good reason.
I have to agree with an earlier post that the higher resolution would impact performance.
I tried the highest resolution and I agree, everything looks much better and has close to 0 impact on battery life (if that's your thing) but I did notice a significant drop in performance.
That being said on 1080 there 0 lag, while on the higher resolution there's lag even in basic apps like messaging or contacts.
But that's my experience.
I don't really care that much about battery life on the s8 as it always got me through a whole day of usage, regardless of the settings, but I do care about performance.
I am 99% sure changing the resolution has an impact on gpu.
It's correct that I doesn't impact display power consumption but the gpu has to render more, so it will impact gpu performance.
Just my 2cents
I am using 60Hz refresh rate as well as FHD+
I do not watch high resolution movies on my phone (I prefer an 80" TV for that) but I have tried running the phone at 90HZ and QHD+ and I just do not see, or feel any difference! My scrolling through apps, and pictures, and web pages move just as fast on 60Hz as they do on 90Hz. The screen resolution also does not appear to change at all between FHD and QHD. Don't get me wrong, my phone is on 10 and running like a champ! I do not know if my battery would run out sooner on the higher rates but I just think that this thing is so fast as it is with all the top line hardware that running it at the higher rates would just use more battery with very limited, to no real benefit.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
As someone who uses a 144Hz gaming display and 90Hz OP7Pro daily 60Hz is painfully choppy...
jaseman said:
I am using 60Hz refresh rate as well as FHD+
I do not watch high resolution movies on my phone (I prefer an 80" TV for that) but I have tried running the phone at 90HZ and QHD+ and I just do not see, or feel any difference! My scrolling through apps, and pictures, and web pages move just as fast on 60Hz as they do on 90Hz. The screen resolution also does not appear to change at all between FHD and QHD. Don't get me wrong, my phone is on 10 and running like a champ! I do not know if my battery would run out sooner on the higher rates but I just think that this thing is so fast as it is with all the top line hardware that running it at the higher rates would just use more battery with very limited, to no real benefit.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
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I would like to know why you bought a 1440p 90hz panel if you wish to use 1080p 60? 1440p is obviously more sharper and cleaner image and higher refreshrate = smoother experience I hate to see these comments "I don't see the difference" I always feel like the user is blind to me the difference is so obvious. But as the comment bellow I also game on a 144hz panel so anything less is choppy to me too. So I guess if you never used a high refresh panel it might be not noticeable to you.
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I would like to know why you bought a 1440p 90hz panel if you wish to use 1080p 60? 1440p is obviously more sharper and cleaner image and higher refreshrate = smoother experience I hate to see these comments "I don't see the difference" I always feel like the user is blind to me the difference is so obvious. But as the comment bellow I also game on a 144hz panel so anything less is choppy to me too. So I guess if you never used a high refresh panel it might be not noticeable to you.
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I do not play games on a phone. I have more important things to do with a $700.00 tool. I see just fine. I do not buy a phone based on screen refresh rate or resolution. 1080p on a 6 inch screen is better than many 55 inch TV's. I buy my phones based on price, battery size, and a few other features. So my perception is not wrong. I have tried multiple combinations of the various settings and there is LITTLE to NO appreciable difference! Maybe it makes a difference for games, but come on, games? Oh well, to each his own!
Liam definitely has a point. Although I never use 1080 I can understand how 1440 might not be a big enough difference that the extra battery is worth it. However the 90hz is much smoother during everyday use than 60hz. I use forced 90 and it hurts scrolling in any other phone. Don't know how much it affects games
jaseman said:
I do not play games on a phone. I have more important things to do with a $700.00 tool. I see just fine. I do not buy a phone based on screen refresh rate or resolution. 1080p on a 6 inch screen is better than many 55 inch TV's. I buy my phones based on price, battery size, and a few other features. So my perception is not wrong. I have tried multiple combinations of the various settings and there is LITTLE to NO appreciable difference! Maybe it makes a difference for games, but come on, games? Oh well, to each his own!
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I'm pretty sure he was talking about gaming on a 144hz monitor, not on his phone.
So theoretically going from 144hz to 60hz would be a HUGE difference and would definitely be noticeable.
jaseman said:
I do not play games on a phone. I have more important things to do with a $700.00 tool. I see just fine. I do not buy a phone based on screen refresh rate or resolution. 1080p on a 6 inch screen is better than many 55 inch TV's. I buy my phones based on price, battery size, and a few other features. So my perception is not wrong. I have tried multiple combinations of the various settings and there is LITTLE to NO appreciable difference! Maybe it makes a difference for games, but come on, games? Oh well, to each his own!
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90Hz is not only good for gaming. There's was a time when Google Chrome stopped supporting 90Hz (I think it was a month ago). At the very first second I was using Chrome with 60Hz without knowing I just thought "wtf why is it so laggy". So yeah, the difference between 60Hz and 90Hz is very big. Glad chrome supports 90Hz again.
90Hz ftw!
I guess it all boils down to not only "what" you do on your phone, but also "how" you choose to do it...as in which app(s) you choose to get things done. I keep changing settings and even rebooting between changes just to make sure they really take. And I do not see any appreciable difference! Not trying to make trouble, not disparaging this phone at all because I am enjoying it very much! But for me, the way I use it, and the apps that are important to me..the faster refresh rate as well as the higher resolution are anecdotal at best. The whole purpose of this thread for me was to make sure that my phone was truly working properly when using the higher settings. Evidently it is??? YMMV
This is an age-old battle and it's pointless as this is very subjective and changes over time.
Understand that it is normal for a person not to percieve huge difference between 60 and 90Hz if you are used to 60 and going to 90 short term. Your brain needs time to adjust and "speed up" your perception and it takes weeks or months. After that period of getting used to the fluidity of higher refresh display, going back to 60 should seem like a slideshow. Someone used to 60Hz will not see a huge difference, someone coming from 144Hz will immediatelly feel the screen lag at 60. Another thing is dark mode, dark mode indirectly raises your pixel response times, making movement more blurry and the 90Hz less prominent.
As for resolution on this phone, you can clearly see the small text in browsers is more blurry and causes more eye fatigue.
At the end of the day if you value the battery more than screen clarity, it's better to keep both low before you spoil yourself and there's no going back
we all know that on Android 9, not all the apps runs at 90Hz inclued Chrome, the reason is the battery consumption of course
idk if this still true on Android 10, but Chrome is runing at 90Hz on Android 10
so i guess, 1+ unlock the 90Hz to more apps, still mix it with the 60Hz to optimize the battery, so that is why we kind of dont see any differences
the only method to compare is download the Auto90 app from appstore, force the phone to runs at 90Hz all the time then you'll see there is differences or not
I dont mind about resolution since FHD+ is more than Reasonable with color tuning , but the frame rate is one of the main pros of one plus new line up .
So i force all them 90hz on all apps . Leaving iphone users insecurely baffled
I'm usually on a 240hz monitor. The 90hz screen is very nice feeling and whenever I look at my 6t I want to throw up.
^^LOL, good one's
Now that the embargo is up, one of the things I've found interesting from the reviews is that the 7 Pro screen resolution defaults to 1080p, and you have to go into the settings to switch it to 1440p.
Maybe Google thinks people will notice the improved battery life more than they will notice the reduced resolution.
Unless you hold the phone a few inches from your face, or you use a magnifying glass, you will NOT see any discernable difference. So it depends on what is more important to "you", longer battery life per day, or imaginary higher screen resolution?
Interesting, I didn't know that. Does that really save that much battery? The whole screen is still being used.
It's also a weird thing to do marketing wise - hey you've got a great display, but we'll show you worse quality...
What's the point of having the higher resolution if many people will never use it?
jbaysingar said:
Now that the embargo is up, one of the things I've found interesting from the reviews is that the 7 Pro screen resolution defaults to 1080p, and you have to go into the settings to switch it to 1440p.
Maybe Google thinks people will notice the improved battery life more than they will notice the reduced resolution.
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Sometimes they just make us do all the settings which are suitable for us!
mko000 said:
Interesting, I didn't know that. Does that really save that much battery? The whole screen is still being used.
It's also a weird thing to do marketing wise - hey you've got a great display, but we'll show you worse quality...
What's the point of having the higher resolution if many people will never use it?
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Some people are into specs and will buy based on that alone, whether it's the SOC, the screen resolution, the refresh rate, or the camera modules even though in real world use most of the specs make no discernable difference to 99% of end users.
Is it possible to make a Toggle to switch between 1080p and 1440p in Tasker?
I'm leaving mine at 1080p. It's plenty good. Hardly even noticable.
I cant tell a difference, well not one that makes any difference so i'll leave it at 1080p if its going to give a bit more battery life.
Has anyone done a comparison on the difference between 1080 and 1440
Paz9 said:
Has anyone done a comparison on the difference between 1080 and 1440
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The only thing I can reliably see is when in the setting itself when you toggle between the two resolutions I notice that the clock in the notification shade will move about 1/8th inch to the left on QHD and then move back to the right on FHD. Give it a try and see.
Paz9 said:
Has anyone done a comparison on the difference between 1080 and 1440
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As I mentioned previously, I currently have an S21 ultra (snapdragon) and evaluating via this forum my buying the 7 Pro. On my S21U I have the Display Tester app (available in both free and "Pro" versions). The S21U also comes, out of the box, set to 1080P. However, when you look at 1080P using Display Tester you will see that the gamma of the display is out of wack. There the gamma is around 1.4 or so, leading to a somewhat washed out image. Setting it to WQHD+ (3200 x 1400) Gamma goes to 2.2, the accurate setting.
Interested if anybody wants to test this out on the 7P.
peterg21 said:
As I mentioned previously, I currently have an S21 ultra (snapdragon) and evaluating via this forum my buying the 7 Pro. On my S21U I have the Display Tester app (available in both free and "Pro" versions). The S21U also comes, out of the box, set to 1080P. However, when you look at 1080P using Display Tester you will see that the gamma of the display is out of wack. There the gamma is around 1.4 or so, leading to a somewhat washed out image. Setting it to WQHD+ (3200 x 1400) Gamma goes to 2.2, the accurate setting.
Interested if anybody wants to test this out on the 7P.
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Just tested it. Same exact results you report on the S21
peterg21 said:
As I mentioned previously, I currently have an S21 ultra (snapdragon) and evaluating via this forum my buying the 7 Pro. On my S21U I have the Display Tester app (available in both free and "Pro" versions). The S21U also comes, out of the box, set to 1080P. However, when you look at 1080P using Display Tester you will see that the gamma of the display is out of wack. There the gamma is around 1.4 or so, leading to a somewhat washed out image. Setting it to WQHD+ (3200 x 1400) Gamma goes to 2.2, the accurate setting.
Interested if anybody wants to test this out on the 7P.
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What's the main issue with this?
Paz9 said:
What's the main issue with this?
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According to my (possibly fallible eyes), it’s 1.4 @ 1080 and between 2.2 and 2.3 at 1440.
RebDovid said:
According to my (possibly fallible eyes), it’s 1.4 @ 1080 and between 2.2 and 2.3 at 1440.
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How is that a bad thing exactly?
Paz9 said:
How is that a bad thing exactly?
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Here are a couple of links which explain Gamma and why it is important:
The Main Reason Monitor Calibration Is Essential
Gamma is used in digital photography to determine the image's brightness and is important to understand.
www.lifewire.com
The importance of gamma
"Gamma" has to do with how a display translates input signal levels into the intensity of output light. We show you how to understand the relationship.
www.androidauthority.com
This should be tested in both 60hz and Adaptive/120hz mode as the calibration between different refreshrates can differ.