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Hey guys,
My biggest problem in Android has always been UI lag and jerkiness. For a touchscreen device, it's absolutely crucial that response to finger input is instantaneous and snappy. I still haven't used a dual core device, but I've never seen an android device achieve the level of responsiveness of the iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4.
I'm not saying I prefer the iPhones, just that they are the gold standard for scrolling, pinch-to-zoom and user interface responsiveness. I'm wondering why this is. I don't think it's a hardware issue, because LauncherPro is as smooth as the iPhone's homescreens even on a 600mhz processor.
So my question is:
Why can't phone manufacturers achieve consistent smoothness in their custom UIs? I'm referring specifically to Touchwiz and Sense - both the Galaxy S and Desire HD (and Incredible S) suffer from a bit of stuttering jerkiness. Why won't one of them just buy Launcherpro? What kinda technique are the launcherpro guys using to make their launcher so much better?
Why is the Android experience generally less smooth than the iPhone of WP7? This isn't to invite fanboyism or flaming, just a general question - I think even the most ardent Android supporter should be able to admit that Android is less smooth
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zuka
Hello, How comes some phones are more responsive than the others even if they have weaker processors? Why is an iPhone responsiveness higher than an ordinary touchscreen phone? What is the reason of the responsiveness of a phone?
Sorry if you couldn't quite understand my poor ingrish .
There are other factors besides the processor. The amount of free RAM, how well the software was written, what operating system version, etc will all have an effect on the speed of a phone. The iPhone runs a very simple launcher as its OS, plus they have the advantage of being able to design the OS around their phone.
I don't mean how fast it opens app. I mean how fast and easy you can swipe between screens. To the iPhone it seems faster to swipe between screens than on my sensation. Why is that?
I think I know what he's talking about.
Even on my old iPhone 3G, the way you swipe between home screens and overall usage feels a lot more "smooth" (for lack of better word) on iOS devices than any Android device I've ever used before.
My uneducated guess is that Apple runs SpringBoard at 60FPS with Vsync Tribble nuffer???? haha!
iinm ram can be one of the things that can come into play with that. Ios is more simple of an operating system. It's multitasking isn't like androids either. Try to swipe screens while a certain number of apps are open, try swiping again after closing all apps.
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Smexhy said:
I don't mean how fast it opens app. I mean how fast and easy you can swipe between screens. To the iPhone it seems faster to swipe between screens than on my sensation. Why is that?
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The iPhones are actually extremely powerful phones. Not only that, but Apple is able to tailor the CPU for the OS which isnt really quite there on Android thanks to multiple devices with different specs.
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Responsiveness ,depends on where the grapical calculations take place. As for WP in the GPU, as for andriod not only in GPU.
With a launcher or custom ROM, you can control quickness of swipe transitions between screens. For instance, TouchWiz on Samsung doesn't have a particularly fast default transition. I am using Apex launcher and I have specified for it to be faster (there's even a faster setting that I don't use because it was... too fast for me).
It mostly depends on the kernel from which the OS was built on. The way iOS was built, it focuses on touch gestures when completing tasks or rendering. When your finger makes contact with the screen, all of the resources focus on that touch which gives the illusion of fluidity in comparison to Android that instead splits it's resources between rendering or completing tasks and touch gestures. It's all on the Kernel level. If we're talking future then no OS will be as fast as BB10 due to QNX being a beast with unlimited potential... That's if BlackBerry implements it right.
Rather than having 500000000 threads comparing GS4 to One, put all your thoughts in here.
Don't forget to vote.
Here is a good list posted by -]Megacharge[- - which I think most would agree with - if you came to the thread looking for quick overview, here it is:
S4:
-Bigger screen
-Removable storage
-Removable battery
-Can use screen with gloves on
-Marginally faster benchmark scores in the S600 version
-Much faster benchmark scores in the Exynos version
-TouchWiz including a bunch of S-software (which some people may find useful - HTC's betting on design as their number one selling point. Samsung's doing the same with software features)
-IR LED (TV Remote)
-Android 4.2.2
[Gorilla Glass 3, 1.9MHz clock speed, DDR3, thinner, lighter, bigger display in smaller footprint]
One:
-Higher PPI and color accuracy
-Design
-IR LED (TV Remote)
-Dual front facing speakers (great speakers)
-Dual membrane mics
-Sense 5 (incredibly fluid with no lag and looks more "adult" than touchwiz)
-Low light camera performance
-Android 4.1.2
[Gorilla Glass 2, 1.7MHz clock speed, DDR2, chunkier, a little heavier, aluminium body]
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Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.
GS4
Better GPU
Lighter
Battery life
Faster CPU clock
Bigger Screen
HTC
Aluminum body
More PPI
Looks better imho
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This is not a troll thread - though I suspect it will be perceived as such.
I honestly want to know what it is people think is actually better about the GS4.
I'm sure some people will say "everything" but please vote for one, and then comment on why.
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Sadly this thread will turn into a flame war and will get shut down with the quickness. They both have their pros and cons.
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I'm not going to even comment on this thread (from now on) - my opinions will be kept entirely to myself.
I am honestly just curious.
PS - don't just comment - vote!
FYI I voted for Dev Support as I think we all know it will sell more.
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Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.
GS4
Better GPU
Lighter
Battery life
Faster CPU clock
Bigger Screen
HTC
Aluminum body
More PPI
Looks better imho
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You said aluminum body + looks better, don't they go together? HTC is trying very hard to sell its "premium look" more than anything else
Swyped from another galaxy
LOOkS and BUILD QUALITY-htc wins..
CPU - samsung.. because having those a15 is really gonna help that 1080 screen on heavy tasks..
GPU- samsung again.. people who game will really find it better.. and it being power vr means games wil get better optimized faster amd be better on the s4..
SD slot, removable battery- samsung
MUSIC HEADPHONE quality- no idea.. but beats suck
And dont know if samsung is using that wolfson dac which is good af
SCREEN- no one wins .subjective.. I love amoleds and that 1080 amoled looks sexy. But the htc also has one hell of an lcd screen
UI- subjective.. I find sense better but blinkfeed is nonsense. But touchwiz is functional
DEVELOPMENT- samsung... and S- off sucks..lol..
BATTERY- Ssamsung.. looking at samsungs history of phones, they always had better battery.. I heard htc one has come up though.. byt u bet the new s4 will be even better than the s3 and htc one
Samsung also has some extra features which maybe considered as gimmicks.. but zoe,drama shot , erase features and other editing stuffs are in both..
I might buy both... htc for that built, but in the end samsung for that power and development wins it all
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HTC has louder sound and better on speakers.
HTC is full of metal vs Samsung plastic - so better build quality.
HTC has better AnTuTu scores and higher clock. (GSIV has 1.6Ghz - says gsmarena.com).
HTC has famous "Sense" which is way better than Touchwiz in my opinion.
HTC's camera is better on dark places.
HTC is more compact.
HTC has better xda development. (Exynos is bad documentated and HTC already has great devs workin' on it - and yeah team Venom).
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Not sure about GPU, I'd say Samsung is better.
Samsung has bigger screen.
Samsung has head moving are pausing things
Floating touch (I would turn it off but I would say floating touch games maybe - that would be interesting).
Samsung will update its device way more than HTC to newer android versions.
Samsung has external SD up to 64GB. So you could have impressing 126GB of memory for your files!
Samsung has better camera in my opinion.
Samsung has bigger battery.
Samsung is more sold device - more support (bit that doesn't mean anything).
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Tie:
AMOLED vs SLCD - depends on person.
Hard to break or easily removable battery.
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Overall HTC is better as "pure android experience or AOSP and pure performance and great made phone".
And Sammy software things and functionality.
But I think I am going for HTC if screen is big enough.
I tried to do review not being fanboy of both!
Swisser said:
Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.
GS4
Better GPU
Lighter
Battery life
Faster CPU clock
Bigger Screen
HTC
Aluminum body
More PPI
Looks better imho
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I thought the GPU was the same?
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Removable storage is pretty much the key reason for me. I really don't understand why manufacturers chose not to include such an obvious feature in their devices...
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I thought the GPU was the same?
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No.lol.. the gpu in internationao s4 is powervr.. the one iphones and ipads use
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I'll break this down to two simple facts.
1. Expandable storage is a deal breaker for me. The One has no expandable storage, so when you run out of space, you're done - time to start eating up your mobile data plan for cloud services. Deal breaker.
2. S-Off is terrible. Something tells me one reason HTC stopped providing expandable storage slots in their phones is due to the way the Vivid had to be S-Off'ed. You have to short out a contact point on the phone's main board with the ground on the SD slot to hack the damn S-Off. Maybe this was a major flaw and combined with other reasons, they just decided they would scrap the storage slot altogether. Without S-Off, the whole process of flashing new ROMs becomes more tedious and annoying. And let's not forget that you can scrap the idea of flashing new radios to your device if you can't S-Off an HTC phone. HTC is not too developer-friendly lately...
Is it even possible to S-Off the One X or X+? I haven't looked at those boards in detail in quite a while.
Wow that was a long answer for two simple facts.
Sent from my HTC PH39100...soon to be Galaxy S4.
The fact that Samsung seems to be listening to their customers (unlike HTC), is what does it.
Advantages of the One:
-Premium build, subjectively better design
-Camera optimized for low-light environments
-Screen is objectively better at accurate color reproduction
-Stereo speakers
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Is that what customers want? Some, sure. But it seems like HTC is playing Apple's form > function game. And they won't win, because their software, battery life and camera are not up to par.
What does the S4 have?
-Packs a larger display into a body that is smaller, slimmer and lighter than the S3 (yet people will still go around complaining that 5" is 'just too big'), more ergonomic than the hard edges of the One's design
-Display benefits from power savings of PenTile matrix while the resolution nullifies any complaints about its perceived sharpness; EDIT: actually, the display utilizes a new, brighter PHOLED technology and a completely different PenTile 'diamond' matrix that seems to address most complaints about the S3's display on their own
-Display is subjectively better then the One's for some—AND has built-in screen tuning options for those that want accurate, natural colors (Movie/Cinema mode on the S3/Note 2 is comparable to sRGB emulation mode on a wide gamut monitor in my own side-by-side comparisons)
-Display's infinite contrast is objectively better, and the lower reflectivity and sunlight legibility is something other manufacturers have fallen behind with their 1080p displays
-Superior homegrown SoC (although I have no idea why the U.S. is stuck with Qualcomm again with all the new LTE tech the Exynos chipset has); people knocking the big.LITTLE architecture seem to be ignoring the purpose of it (it's not just 'twice as many cores' or 'not-really-eight-cores')
-1.7mm thinner than the One, yet it packs a larger, removable battery and microSD slot (deja vu)
-USB 3.0 on the Exynos
-TouchWiz is better than Sense, despite subjectivity over appearance: lighter, smoother, less buggy, closer to vanilla Android in functionality and packed with extra features (many which are actually useful) that can be easily turned off—vs. a bloated interface that tries to undermine the Android interface and sticks you with homescreen limitations like a Flipboard knock-off that can't be fully disabled; I personally find Sense even uglier than TouchWiz with its mix of colorful icons and flat black theming
-A camera that, for another generation in a row, doesn't ruin its image quality with overaggressive noise reduction and processing like HTC's offerings, while packing as many features as one would want into the camera app (like the ability to make animated GIF's with static backgrounds easily)
-Battery life that is sure to surpass its predecessor, unlike the lackluster battery performance seen in the One/Butterfly/DNA
-Gorilla Glass 3 over the One's Gorilla Glass 2
-Unified delivery to all carriers, while the One's future on a major carrier like Verizon is still just rumors
-Latest JellyBean 4.2.2 vs. One's JellyBean 4.1, and not only a much better commitment to and delivery of updates than HTC, but a commitment to and delivery of bringing new software features to older flagship devices when they don't depend on new hardware
-The ability to run ANY two apps side-by-side on the screen at the same time for multitasking—and the ability to run pop-up apps like the browser, video player, calculator, etc. on top of that
-Not only are features like the delivered Air Gestures and Eye Scroll useful and polished (maybe not so much with Eye Scroll's polish), but Floating Touch is major: completely new and unique screen tech that essentially gives you a mouse cursor for hovering, which is a boon for web browsing and Adobe Flash
-Unlocked bootloader vs. the One's locked bootloader (despite all the negative feedback HTC received previously)
While the S4 might not blow anyone away at first glance, it's clear that Samsung pays attention to things that matter when it comes to using your device, down to the details that everyone else seems to overlook. The One is a beautiful phone to look at and hold, but beyond that it holds the same disappointments that held HTC back the last time around.
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The fact that Samsung seems to be listening to their customers (unlike HTC), is what does it.
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I hope you're joking.
I know many people are not fans of the home button, but I use the hell out of it my S3 and I prefer to use it when activating the display from sleep mode. Many times when my phone is just laying on the table, I can just hit the home button and swipe down for messages or to change songs etc. I just find it much more easy to access than the power button. I do prefer the look of the HTC over the S4.
GGXtreme said:
The fact that Samsung seems to be listening to their customers (unlike HTC), is what does it.
Advantages of the One:
-Premium build, subjectively better design
-Camera optimized for low-light environments
-Screen is objectively better at accurate color reproduction
-Stereo speakers
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Stereo speakers on a device that small, the HTC One, is pointless anyway. The whole point of stereo is so you can differentiate the sounds in each ear, thereby creating the stereo effect. With two speakers so close together, the sounds will mesh together by the time they hit your ears anyway, making a more monaural sound.
I think the only real advantage HTC has is the build quality of the phone. But that advantage is moot to me because I always put a nice case on whatever phone I buy.
Sent from my HTC PH39100.
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Please point out any errors in my reasoning. I think I made a decent case, care to actually make one yourself?
When you compare the two there's not a lot that's unique going for the One except for it's beautiful all-aluminum design and dual speakers. The fact that it's the same physical size (while being thicker and heavier) as the SGS4 with last year's 4.7" display size isn't going to help it. Here's a quick run down comparing the two. It was the answer to "why would anyone buy the SGS4 over the One" from thier forum.
Larger 5" SAMOLED display with vibrant colors
Thinner and lighter with other dimensions being near equal
13MP camera (more detail)
Better battery life, bigger and removable battery
Replaceable back cover if its damaged
Expandable storage
Gorilla Glass 3 (versus 2)
Android 4.2.2 (vs. 4.1.2, at least for now)
Dual Camera (insert yourself in to photos you take)
Drama Shot (a simpler Zoe)
Sound and Shot to record voice comments on still photos
Story Album to create and send printed photo albums
Share Music to turn multiple SGS4's in to surround sound
Group Play to share content across multiple devices without the need for a Wi-FI connection
S-Translator integrated in to multiple apps like e-mail and the stock browser
Smart Pause/Smart Scroll to use your eyes to control the device
All the existing motion and voice controls Samsung provides in TW
Air View to expand content by hovering your finger over it
A display you can use with gloves on
S Voice Drive which maximizes the size of what's displayed and allows motion and voice to control things you use when driving
Optical Reader integrated in to stock apps to import data via the camera
S Health to track weight, blood pressure, exercise, etc.
I'll take a stab at the One's advantages over the SGS4. For the sake of discussion assume the SGS4 being compared against is an LTE version running S-600 too. Things like LCD vs. AMOLED and Sense vs. TW are obviously based on personal preference.
Beautiful all-aluminum unibody design
LCD display with bright realistic colors
Sense’s more aesthetically pleasing appearance
UltraPixels (better low light performance)
Dual front facing speakers
Zoe
BlinkFeed
It’s not made by Samsung (for the haters )
Other than Zoe and BlinkFeed Sense 5 is carry over from earlier versions. Even LG's doing a lot more with s/w than HTC. The lack of s/w features, whether they are real or gimmicks, is going to hurt the One with the masses who like "more" rather than less; especially at the same price.
LG already offers several special apps on its Android smartphones, like QSlide for viewing two apps at once on a device's display and QRemote for controlling home entertainment gear. Today LG expanded is software offerings with another new feature dubbed "Smart Video." According to LG, Smart Video takes advantage of eye recognition technology to track a user's eye movements while he or she is watching a video and, when it detects that user isn't looking at the device's display, it will pause the clip automatically. Playback will resume when the device detects that the user is once again looking at the screen. LG says that Smart Video will be rolled out soon as part of a Value Pack update. In addition to Smart Video, the Value Pack will include a Dual Camera feature that will take photos using the front and back cameras simultaneously, Magic Remote Keypad and Text Keypad additions to the QRemote app, Video Pause/Resume that will allow users to stop and start while capturing a video to create one continuous clip, and a set of color emoticons. The Smart LED Lighting surrounding the LG Optimus G Pro's physical home button will also be updated to allow users to assign colors to specific contacts.
Toleraen said:
Removable storage is pretty much the key reason for me. I really don't understand why manufacturers chose not to include such an obvious feature in their devices...
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I don't understand this storage business if the minimum available storage option for a phone is 32GB?
How many things do most people put on their phones? All the people I know who own a GS3 have a 16GB model with no micro SD card and they continuously make the lack of expandable storage on recent phones a big deal.
At the moment I have no idea which one I want more, I will likely get the GS4 because HTC One has a good chance at not showing up on Verizon. (entirely Verizon's fault though, looks like Verizon has been screwing over HTC for quite awhile recently, the lack of expandable storage was due to Verizon not HTC on the DNA; and the One's availability looks like to be another Verizon issue; I also am pretty positive for it developement being slightly better than the DNA since it is multicarrier)
I do really like the GS4 though, it's design was something I did not like on the GS3 either though.
TingTingin said:
Your intentions may be pure but you can't expect commentors to follow suit you'll be bombarded with opinions and border line exaggerations u should try android general
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This is one of the least trolly forums. Go hang on youtube for a while, the bottom of the internet comments there..
Hi,
So we all have phones that have something missing that other phones have... some things we wish our phones had!
I've made a Google form to allow everyone to "design" your ideal phone, I'm interested in seeing what people want from a new phone because for me I know that manufacuters keep introducing things that I know I wouldn't want and they negelect things that I do want.
I'd greatly appreciate if you'd be willing to fill in the following form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdBmFUmXMlSPw8rNAvo_9AhQi0aQQPpEOEFbi50xWiVTN-Tmg/viewform
Thanks!
Hyflex said:
Hi,
So we all have phones that have something missing that other phones have... some things we wish our phones had!
I've made a Google form to allow everyone to "design" your ideal phone, I'm interested in seeing what people want from a new phone because for me I know that manufacuters keep introducing things that I know I wouldn't want and they negelect things that I do want.
I'd greatly appreciate if you'd be willing to fill in the following form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdBmFUmXMlSPw8rNAvo_9AhQi0aQQPpEOEFbi50xWiVTN-Tmg/viewform
Thanks!
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Complete it. Pretty much my current phone with a few extras (Oppo Reno 10x zoom) to gain absolute perfection.
One part was a little restricting...Maximum CPU/high battery usage? My phone has maximum CPU with quality battery meaning lower drain (SD855 and 2day battery life)
Some interesting responses so far... people are wanting:
- A strong phone (better screen protection, better frame strength & high levels of waterproofing)
- Significantly better battery life by having a thicker and heavier phone.
- But also wanting higher refresh rates, higher resolution, more cameras, more network bands, more sensors and better GPU performance..
To get all of that, you are looking at much pricer phones...
I basically want a Nokia Sirocco (5.5" screen 141 mm tall) with Snapdragon 845 or 855, sd-card slot, 3.5 headphone jack, 1-2 mm thicker for 4000 - 6000 mAh battery. (5.5" is enough screen size for me.)
Plus a LED notification light. 3 or more colors.
When planning to buy a flagship smartphone, Pixel phones are a contender, but I have always eliminated them from the final list because of lack of features in Stock Android.
The one and only thing that makes Pixel devices a contender is their camera system. When we buy a phone, cameras are a very important consideration. BUT, there are a lot of other things too that are just as important, if not more.
The problem with Pixel phones is stock Android. While the clean UI and quick updates are a good thing about them, the lack of several useful features leaves a lot to desire for.
Android today is well optimised and doesn't suffer from problems like lagging, freezing, etc. The OEM versions from other brands, despite some bloatware, do not cause too much problems today. A lot of apps that come pre-installed can now be uninstalled or disabled.
In this scenario, the additional features that come packed with OEM versions of Android make them very desirable. Often, 3rd party apps do not work as well as built-in features such as scrolling screenshots, screen recording, etc. So having an OS that comes with these features is very desirable.
One can always spend some time uninstalling apps they don't need and disable unnecessary services via ADB. Once that is done (which might take a few hours, including research and finding the right tools), the experience going forward, that will last a few years, will be great.
The camera systems in flagship smartphones of any brand today are really good in capturing great photos and videos. This is sufficient for most users as minor differences between what makes one device a winner doesn't really matter.
Is there anything I'm missing here about Pixel phones? Or is clean UI and faster software updates the only thing about them?
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When planning to buy a flagship smartphone, Pixel phones are a contender, but I have always eliminated them from the final list because of lack of features in Stock Android.
The one and only thing that makes Pixel devices a contender is their camera system. When we buy a phone, cameras are a very important consideration. BUT, there are a lot of other things too that are just as important, if not more.
The problem with Pixel phones is stock Android. While the clean UI and quick updates are a good thing about them, the lack of several useful features leaves a lot to desire for.
Android today is well optimised and doesn't suffer from problems like lagging, freezing, etc. The OEM versions from other brands, despite some bloatware, do not cause too much problems today. A lot of apps that come pre-installed can now be uninstalled or disabled.
In this scenario, the additional features that come packed with OEM versions of Android make them very desirable. Often, 3rd party apps do not work as well as built-in features such as scrolling screenshots, screen recording, etc. So having an OS that comes with these features is very desirable.
One can always spend some time uninstalling apps they don't need and disable unnecessary services via ADB. Once that is done (which might take a few hours, including research and finding the right tools), the experience going forward, that will last a few years, will be great.
The camera systems in flagship smartphones of any brand today are really good in capturing great photos and videos. This is sufficient for most users as minor differences between what makes one device a winner doesn't really matter.
Is there anything I'm missing here about Pixel phones? Or is clean UI and faster software updates the only thing about them?
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Some people simply prefer to use AOSP as is without the embellishments and "improvements" many OEMs stack on top of it, along with bloatware. The Pixel series was always intended to showcase Android as is; in fact the system builds are extremely similar to the Generic System Image releases. The devices follow the Treble model, where the entire build and partition layout is modular; the devices are designed to use a common kernel and a common system image, with small device-specific functions being contained in device specific partitions.
Contrast this with Samsung, who obstinately insists on increasing overhead with their OneUI, going against the open nature of Android by preventing direct access to device partitions, and packing tons of unnecessary bloat into their system builds. My Galaxy Tab A 8.0 is slow as snot on the OEM Samsung firmware, but on an AOSP GSI, it's worlds better because of the reduced overhead.
V0latyle said:
Some people simply prefer to use AOSP as is without the embellishments and "improvements" many OEMs stack on top of it,
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Some of those improvements are indeed very useful. They make the whole experience much better, and more so if user can disable unnecessary apps, services and features.
V0latyle said:
along with bloatware.
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V0latyle said:
packing tons of unnecessary bloat into their system builds.
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A lot of that can be disabled today. Thanks to XDA
V0latyle said:
My Galaxy Tab A 8.0 is slow as snot on the OEM Samsung firmware, but on an AOSP GSI, it's worlds better because of the reduced overhead.
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Isn't that another reason why you shouldn't choose Pixel? If you are a user who wouldn't mind installing custom ROMs, you can always get a device with the best hardware (which Pixel devices are not) and then load the OS of your choice. This allows you to use the additional features (both hardware like S-Pen and software) not available on Pixel phones.
TheMystic said:
Some of those improvements are indeed very useful. They make the whole experience much better, and more so if user can disable unnecessary apps, services and features.
A lot of that can be disabled today. Thanks to XDA
Isn't that another reason why you shouldn't choose Pixel? If you are a user who wouldn't mind installing custom ROMs, you can always get a device with the best hardware (which Pixel devices are not) and then load the OS of your choice. This allows you to use the additional features (both hardware like S-Pen and software) not available on Pixel phones.
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Well, my daily is a Pixel 5. I don't see the point of a stylus, but to each his own. Regardless, OEM specific functions won't work on a GSI, unless specifically built with the necessary framework and additional software. AFIAK, AOSP does not have stylus support by default.
The reason I prefer Pixel devices is their openness and accessibility; unlocking and flashing them is extremely easy, unlike the convoluted gymnastics Samsung makes you jump through in order to run a non-OEM build. I can certainly agree with you on hardware though; Pixels have generally used midrange SoCs, instead of the top end processors expected of flagships. It's kind of disappointing that my Pixel 5 has the same processor as my wife's significantly cheaper 5a, the only difference being she has a bigger screen and battery, I have 2GB more RAM.
V0latyle said:
I don't see the point of a stylus, but to each his own.
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Stylus was just one example of extra hardware (in this case being unique to the S22 Ultra series). I personally barely use it, but it is useful for a specific userbase and also for all users under specific circumstances.
Other examples would include superfast charging available in most Chinese brands (which unfortunately isn't being implemented in other phones; not sure if there are any patent issues), dedicated cooling technologies, IR Blaster, FM radio, etc.
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OEM specific functions won't work on a GSI, unless specifically built with the necessary framework and additional software. AFIAK, AOSP does not have stylus support by default.
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Custom ROMs made for the device do support use of hardware available on the device in most cases.
V0latyle said:
The reason I prefer Pixel devices is their openness and accessibility; unlocking and flashing them is extremely easy,
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That's probably the only other benefit. This is also why I bought a OnePlus phone. Except for the cameras, I think it would beat the Pixel in every other aspect. Clean software, fast charging, good features set, etc.
V0latyle said:
Samsung makes you jump through in order to run a non-OEM build.
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That's true. But I don't mind that because Samsung phone is my primary phone and I'll keep it completely stock.
V0latyle said:
I can certainly agree with you on hardware though; Pixels have generally used midrange SoCs, instead of the top end processors expected of flagships. It's kind of disappointing that my Pixel 5 has the same processor as my wife's significantly cheaper 5a, the only difference being she has a bigger screen and battery, I have 2GB more RAM.
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That's true. When they launched the 1st Pixel phone, it had two unique advantages over competition: unlimited Google Photos storage in full resolution, and a camera system that was significantly superior to competition.
Now the Google Photos storage benefits has been withdrawn (I think it was only provided with the 1st Pixel device). And camera systems from competition in the same price category have become just as good, and those devices offer a much better value for the money as a package, all things considered.
Every time I think of buying a Pixel device, I really don't see anything of value other than the cameras. I will have to sacrifice/ compromise with a lot of useful features that are available with competition, and this keeps me away from getting them.
I think stock Android is overrated as Pixel devices don't offer any improvement in performance or battery life with their 'clean' software. What exactly did their 'clean' software achieve then?
TheMystic said:
Stylus was just one example of extra hardware (in this case being unique to the S22 Ultra series). I personally barely use it, but it is useful for a specific userbase and also for all users under specific circumstances.
Other examples would include superfast charging available in most Chinese brands (which unfortunately isn't being implemented in other phones; not sure if there are any patent issues), dedicated cooling technologies, IR Blaster, FM radio, etc.
Custom ROMs made for the device do support use of hardware available on the device in most cases.
That's probably the only other benefit. This is also why I bought a OnePlus phone. Except for the cameras, I think it would beat the Pixel in every other aspect. Clean software, fast charging, good features set, etc.
That's true. But I don't mind that because Samsung phone is my primary phone and I'll keep it completely stock.
That's true. When they launched the 1st Pixel phone, it had two unique advantages over competition: unlimited Google Photos storage in full resolution, and a camera system that was significantly superior to competition.
Now the Google Photos storage benefits has been withdrawn (I think it was only provided with the 1st Pixel device). And camera systems from competition in the same price category have become just as good, and those devices offer a much better value for the money as a package, all things considered.
Every time I think of buying a Pixel device, I really don't see anything of value other than the cameras. I will have to sacrifice/ compromise with a lot of useful features that are available with competition, and this keeps me away from getting them.
I think stock Android is overrated as Pixel devices don't offer any improvement in performance or battery life with their 'clean' software. What exactly did their 'clean' software achieve then?
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The unlimited photos feature was not withdrawn, but it was made so you have unlimited storage saver, not original quality.
TheMystic said:
Stylus was just one example of extra hardware (in this case being unique to the S22 Ultra series). I personally barely use it, but it is useful for a specific userbase and also for all users under specific circumstances.
Other examples would include superfast charging available in most Chinese brands (which unfortunately isn't being implemented in other phones; not sure if there are any patent issues), dedicated cooling technologies, IR Blaster, FM radio, etc.
Custom ROMs made for the device do support use of hardware available on the device in most cases.
That's probably the only other benefit. This is also why I bought a OnePlus phone. Except for the cameras, I think it would beat the Pixel in every other aspect. Clean software, fast charging, good features set, etc.
That's true. But I don't mind that because Samsung phone is my primary phone and I'll keep it completely stock.
That's true. When they launched the 1st Pixel phone, it had two unique advantages over competition: unlimited Google Photos storage in full resolution, and a camera system that was significantly superior to competition.
Now the Google Photos storage benefits has been withdrawn (I think it was only provided with the 1st Pixel device). And camera systems from competition in the same price category have become just as good, and those devices offer a much better value for the money as a package, all things considered.
Every time I think of buying a Pixel device, I really don't see anything of value other than the cameras. I will have to sacrifice/ compromise with a lot of useful features that are available with competition, and this keeps me away from getting them.
I think stock Android is overrated as Pixel devices don't offer any improvement in performance or battery life with their 'clean' software. What exactly did their 'clean' software achieve then?
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Clean software is made the way android was intended. Pixel has some features on top of stock android. I find their UI very nice and pretty, and it is easy to use. I also like that bullied into keeping it stock.
Arealhooman said:
The unlimited photos feature was not withdrawn, but it was made so you have unlimited storage saver, not original quality.
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Is unlimited storage (storage saver quality) still available for current Pixel devices?
Arealhooman said:
Clean software is made the way android was intended. Pixel has some features on top of stock android. I find their UI very nice and pretty, and it is easy to use. I also like that bullied into keeping it stock.
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Can you list some of those?
Except for GCam (original) and Google Recorder (with offline transcription), what other features make Pixel stand out above competition?
I have a Google One subscription (because I need additional cloud storage). This gives me some exclusive editing features in Google Photos. Are these features provided for free on Pixel devices?
As I mentioned earlier, the 'clean' nature of their software hasn't transformed into better performance or battery life for the user. The user essentially has to live without a lot of useful features such as scrolling screenshots, advanced screen recording, themes, Secure Folder (hardware based Knox) on Samsung devices, one-handed mode, Face Unlock (which finally arrived only on Pixel 7 series), App Lock in most Chinese brands, and above all a built-in firewall in brands like OnePlus, Xiaomi, Oppo, etc. There are other brand specific features that can be looked upon.
Pixel seems to be way behind when it comes to such useful features. iPhone users don't have an alternative if they want the highly limited iOS. But Android users have a plethora of choices and the Pixel phones are just no match when it comes to competition (except for the Camera system).
Just like iPhone users who have never used an Android phone in recent times, early adopters of Pixel who haven't experienced the other smartphone brands do not know what they are missing. They have fallen for the 'clean' software hype that hasn't made any meaningful difference to the user experience.
TheMystic said:
Is unlimited storage (storage saver quality) still available for current Pixel devices?
Can you list some of those?
Except for GCam (original) and Google Recorder (with offline transcription), what other features make Pixel stand out above competition?
I have a Google One subscription (because I need additional cloud storage). This gives me some exclusive editing features in Google Photos. Are these features provided for free on Pixel devices?
As I mentioned earlier, the 'clean' nature of their software hasn't transformed into better performance or battery life for the user. The user essentially has to live without a lot of useful features such as scrolling screenshots, advanced screen recording, themes, Secure Folder (hardware based Knox) on Samsung devices, one-handed mode, Face Unlock (which finally arrived only on Pixel 7 series), App Lock in most Chinese brands, and above all a built-in firewall in brands like OnePlus, Xiaomi, Oppo, etc. There are other brand specific features that can be looked upon.
Pixel seems to be way behind when it comes to such useful features. iPhone users don't have an alternative if they want the highly limited iOS. But Android users have a plethora of choices and the Pixel phones are just no match when it comes to competition (except for the Camera system).
Just like iPhone users who have never used an Android phone in recent times, early adopters of Pixel who haven't experienced the other smartphone brands do not know what they are missing. They have fallen for the 'clean' software hype that hasn't made any meaningful difference to the user experience.
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First question the anwser is yes kinda (I was wrong and it’s only pixel 3a-5). For second question, i found this new video
Arealhooman said:
First question the anwser is yes kinda (I was wrong and it’s only pixel 3a-5). For second question, i found this new video
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The features mentioned in that video are not for everyone. A very small niche of users would find them useful or use them regularly.
So they are focussing on providing non-essential features and ignoring the essential ones that almost everyone would find useful.