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Just wanted to know who plans on not purchasing the dock(since that was the main selling point.) How do you think you will do without a usb port?
For me personally if it wasnt for the dock (full keyboard, extra battery and full size usb ports) id have just gotten the Tab 10.1 in june instead. Although its too bad they're using tegra 2 and not their own chips for the tab but oh well.
I'm not planning on it as of right now. Once I have it in my hands and start messing with it, I can reassess the need for it from there.
personally i would like the dock however it all depends upon the price of it here in the UK !!
I do not plan on it...anything i need that would normally be synced through a USB can be put on the device with bluetooth or pulled off my wireless network. I honestly dont think I will mind not having one (besides needing to charge on that darned proprietary cable!)
Once there is any temp. price drop that makes keyboard dock for $90 or so I can get ..other wise....big NO
I don't think I'm getting the dock either. Firstly the price is too high, if it was less than $100 i would have considered it, i have 3 laptops already so I dont need it to do any work or typing. I actually may even get rid of the transformer depending on how the samsung is reviewed since its lighter and thinner. If i end up keeping it for the long term I may get the dock later but only if it comes down in price.
One of the main reasons that I'm getting the Transformer over any of the other Android tablets is the keyboard dock (which isn't sold in the US yet!).
So I definitely plan on getting on when they start being sold here.
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Supposedly there is an adaptor accessory that will provide a USB port.
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I most definitely WON'T buy the keyboard dock.
I simply don't need it - my house is already littered with computers (2 laptops, 2 desktops, 1 server).
I needed a lightweight, always-on, touch device, not another notebook
I don't plan on buying the dock anytime soon as mostly I will be using it to read books, browsing the internet and few other things which would not require dock. Moreover, the price of the dock is (errrmmm keyboard ) is just too much for me to come to terms with it. So, unless it drops down to like $79 bucks, it won't happen in next year or so.
One of my main uses for the Transformer is writing, and conducting the research for writing. I wanted a device that will last for a long, long time on a charge so that I can be ready to write in any situation. Also, I got tired of setting up my HP Envy notebook on the tray and hassling with the power cable every time I wanted to do some writing late at night in bed.
So, the dock is the entire point of buying the TF for me. A physical keyboard is necessary for long-form writing, of course. The extra battery means it'll last a full day of writing, so it'll always be available. And because there's also no heat and thus no fans, I don't have to mess with power cables and lap trays when I want to write at night. Just plop it right on top of the covers, no problem.
The dock will also serve as a cover (I imagine I'll pretty much carry it around with the dock most of the time, but I did buy a sleeve just in case) and a prop. Overall, I think the price is good enough for a 24.4Whr battery and portable charging station, with a hardwired keyboard (avoiding Bluetooth connectivity issues) and trackpad.
I know the thread was about people NOT buying it, but I thought I'd interject. Just 'cause I like talking about it, and need something to do until it arrives later today.
I will buy it, since I don't have a personal laptop (do have a work laptop, that's it) and only a high end desktop.
The long lasting battery and dual option (tablet and netbook) do it perfectly for me. Also, my 30" desktop monitor is IPS panel, so I won't go anything below that in picture quality.
Currently I have no interest. Not because I think it's a dumb idea, I just don't need it for a tablet, that's not how I'm using mine. I do appreciate the idea, though. If it cost less, I'd probably bite just to have the option handy, but $150 is too much for something I'd rarely use. I find that the on-screen keyboard is very good for the amount of typing I do on the Transformer (I do find myself hitting the keyboard minimize button by accident too much, I wish it wasn't underneath the shift key).
The dock should turn it into a Windows laptop, have the cpu etc in the dock.
I'd pay for that, but see no reason for a Honeycomb tablet dock unless it was $60 or so.
I'm not much interested in the keyboard dock. I've got a laptop with a 9 hr battery and bigger screen that weighs three pounds, I'd use that. I might be interested in the desktop dock thing that just charges it and holds it though, if the price was right and they ever became available.
If the dock without a keyboard has battery inside I might not buy the keyboard dock and go for the keyboardless dock.
i'm also torn between getting the dock or not. i do like the idea of extended battery and the ability to type with a physical keyboard. but then i already have my laptop for that. another thing is the price - $150 is kind of high. but then i already preordered it from amazon. lol. if anything it'll be a pure impulse buy or i end up forgetting that i preordered and then it ships. haha
Never intend of getting the keyboard in the first place, if I need a keyboard I will use my notebook.
Hi, i just got my transformer and have no idea how to charge it up.
the charge came with a section for the usb to plug into, then a second section which has the plug on it. I cant get these bits to fit together at all, they keep falling apart, and when they do decide to stay i don't get any indication that my tablet is charging. I also plugged into the usb into my laptop and the charging indicator still didn't appear.
Any help is appreciated, thanks!
the 2 parts of the charger snap together, at first I thought I had mine together but got the same result you're experencing. You have to put the 2 parts together till you hear or feel the snap,I had to apply a fair amount of pressure to get the 2 pieces connected. It's not you, the charger pieces are just really a snug fit and need a bit more force than one would think to get them connected.Once you've got it connected you'll know as you'll feel the difference immediately. Hope that helps.
Thanks for the help, they snapped together after i put quite a lot of force into it, it seems to be charging now, thanks!
i had to initially push past the point i thought i'd break it in half to get the two pieces joined together.
I actually thought my charger was defective when I first tried to assemble it. It just wouldn't go in.
Finally after 2 weeks of trying here and there, it snapped in. Good thing (actually not a good thing) that Asus Support is so unreliable because they still haven't shipped a replacement adapter.
Guess I should cancel with the Asus RMA but I'm not even sure if they were ever going to send it...
Anyway, the adapter is really a bad piece of hardware: it felt like I was going to break the damn thing at times. (I guess it isn't as widespread or maybe some people were luckier than others because I haven't really seen a huge commotion about it)
For those that aren't sure why their tablet isn't charging then this is probably why.
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Anyway, the adapter is really a bad piece of hardware: it felt like I was going to break the damn thing at times. (I guess it isn't as widespread or maybe some people were luckier than others because I haven't really seen a huge commotion about it)
For those that aren't sure why their tablet isn't charging then this is probably why.
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So it's a bad piece of hardware because it doesn't break when strained and connects very securely? Wow your view sure is skewed. Yes it's hard to press it into the other piece, how is this a bad hardware problem?
i won't use such complicated transformer . too complex . quit to use
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So it's a bad piece of hardware because it doesn't break when strained and connects very securely? Wow your view sure is skewed. Yes it's hard to press it into the other piece, how is this a bad hardware problem?
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Because had I actually broke the damn thing, I would be liable for damages. It's still plastic so it is still breakable. Plus, the metal part is bendable given enough pressure.
Did you even think that maybe they should have made a one piece for the adapter to begin with? Or at least assembled it at the factory so that consumers don't need to deal with it at all?
Second, I shouldn't have to spend an exorbitant amount of time figuring out why this thing wouldn't connect. Where in the manual did Asus say you needed to apply a large amount of pressure? In what other electronic device/adapter do you have the same amount of difficulty assembling the device?
Remember, if you break this thing, then you have no way of replacing it without buying a new TF because Asus's support is that terrible. (I am not the only one who can testify to this)
Maybe it is a feature for YOU; but having adapter assembly difficulties is not something that I would consider as "good hardware". Excuse me if I don't want to ruin something I just spent $550 (tablet + dock) on -- especially since I have no other way of charging it besides the extremely slow USB option.
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Because had I actually broke the damn thing, I would be liable for damages. It's still plastic so it is still breakable. Plus, the metal part is bendable given enough pressure.
Did you even think that maybe they should have made a one piece for the adapter to begin with? Or at least assembled it at the factory so that consumers don't need to deal with it at all?
Second, I shouldn't have to spend an exorbitant amount of time figuring out why this thing wouldn't connect. Where in the manual did Asus say you needed to apply a large amount of pressure? In what other electronic device/adapter do you have the same amount of difficulty assembling the device?
Remember, if you break this thing, then you have no way of replacing it without buying a new TF because Asus's support is that terrible. (I am not the only one who can testify to this)
Maybe it is a feature for YOU; but having adapter assembly difficulties is not something that I would consider as "good hardware". Excuse me if I don't want to ruin something I just spent $550 (tablet + dock) on -- especially since I have no other way of charging it besides the extremely slow USB option.
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But you didn't break it. Because it's built well. It doesn't say large amount of pressure but it does say how to assemble it in the manual. Besides my HTC charger is made in the same fashion, a little easier to assemble but it's done to reduce production cost and make it easily adaptable (hence the 100~240v range) by more than just Asus.
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But you didn't break it. Because it's built well. It doesn't say large amount of pressure but it does say how to assemble it in the manual. Besides my HTC charger is made in the same fashion, a little easier to assemble but it's done to reduce production cost and make it easily adaptable (hence the 100~240v range) by more than just Asus.
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I may not have but what if someone broke the adapter because of the difficulty, then who is to blame? And when I said it was a "bad piece of hardware", I meant the design, which is an integral part of any hardware. (also, just because something doesn't break, doesn't mean it was built well. But, that is another issue entirely) I don't want to feel that I might break something that I invested a large sum of cash in. I am not the only one that felt that felt like they were going to break the adapter. Some people are even afraid to disassemble it because of the frustration they dealt with when putting it together in the first place.
And where in the manual does it say how to assemble the adapter? You mean that one picture -- with no words at all -- where they draw an arrow in between the two parts? Yeah, big help -- like if I couldn't tell in the first place. They don't even tell you that you need to push it in all the way. The first time I tried, I pushed it in half because it wouldn't go deeper. How was I supposed to know that you needed to apply much more pressure? Also, how do costumers know if their device is defective if there are no instructions and assembly is more difficult than should be?
Again, assemble it at the factory or make it a one piece. Do you have a source for production costs? I find it difficult to believe assembly costs would be that much higher if they had just put it together. This isn't like plugging in the USB cable where everything is a nice and easy fit; it was way too frustrating than it should have been. Asus probably saves money from having to deal with consumers complaining about the charger if it came ready to use.
To me, hardware depends on the experience and that includes assembly. I don't want to worry about whether or not I might break it. (it is just an adapter, it shouldn't be this troubling!) I have never had an HTC adapter so I can't speak for that but I have never had trouble with adapters before. All companies want to save money but I don't have difficulty with their adapters. It's ridiculous that I have to talk about the adapter since with every other device/company, it is a non-issue. Again, the worst part is that you have no backup option besides buying a new TF to get a replacement adapter in case anything goes wrong.
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I may not have but what if someone broke the adapter because of the difficulty, then who is to blame? And when I said it was a "bad piece of hardware", I meant the design, which is an integral part of any hardware. (also, just because something doesn't break, doesn't mean it was built well. But, that is another issue entirely) I don't want to feel that I might break something that I invested a large sum of cash in. I am not the only one that felt that felt like they were going to break the adapter. Some people are even afraid to disassemble it because of the frustration they dealt with when putting it together in the first place.
And where in the manual does it say how to assemble the adapter? You mean that one picture -- with no words at all -- where they draw an arrow in between the two parts? Yeah, big help -- like if I couldn't tell in the first place. They don't even tell you that you need to push it in all the way. The first time I tried, I pushed it in half because it wouldn't go deeper. How was I supposed to know that you needed to apply much more pressure? Also, how do costumers know if their device is defective if there are no instructions and assembly is more difficult than should be?
Again, assemble it at the factory or make it a one piece. Do you have a source for production costs? I find it difficult to believe assembly costs would be that much higher if they had just put it together. This isn't like plugging in the USB cable where everything is a nice and easy fit; it was way too frustrating than it should have been. Asus probably saves money from having to deal with consumers complaining about the charger if it came ready to use.
To me, hardware depends on the experience and that includes assembly. I don't want to worry about whether or not I might break it. (it is just an adapter, it shouldn't be this troubling!) I have never had an HTC adapter so I can't speak for that but I have never had trouble with adapters before. All companies want to save money but I don't have difficulty with their adapters. It's ridiculous that I have to talk about the adapter since with every other device/company, it is a non-issue. Again, the worst part is that you have no backup option besides buying a new TF to get a replacement adapter in case anything goes wrong.
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Or you could, you know, buy a new adapter.
Besides, I've not seen a single report of a broken power adapter because they tried to assemble it so your complaining about something that hasn't even happened and will unlikely happen since it's obviously made to take the strain if thousands of people were able to put it together without breaking it.
Personally I feel secure in the fact knowing that it's well built and wont come apart easily like other similar style chargers I have seen, but I guess pressing 2 parts together is a giant issue which is nearly impossible to do and oh god, you might even break your nail!
And yes paying a bunch of people to click 2 parts together is quite costly.
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Or you could, you know, buy a new adapter.
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Where do buy a new adapter for this? I've been waiting for one since I got mine a while ago. The cord is too short, the power adapter shakes around in the wall socket, and you can't buy an extra charger because no one makes them except for Asus at this point (and even Asus doesn't have them to buy separately at this point).
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Where do buy a new adapter for this? I've been waiting for one since I got mine a while ago. The cord is too short, the power adapter shakes around in the wall socket, and you can't buy an extra charger because no one makes them except for Asus at this point (and even Asus doesn't have them to buy separately at this point).
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there's a "coming soon" page for a wallcharger with a few online retailers.
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Or you could, you know, buy a new adapter.
Besides, I've not seen a single report of a broken power adapter because they tried to assemble it so your complaining about something that hasn't even happened and will unlikely happen since it's obviously made to take the strain if thousands of people were able to put it together without breaking it.
Personally I feel secure in the fact knowing that it's well built and wont come apart easily like other similar style chargers I have seen, but I guess pressing 2 parts together is a giant issue which is nearly impossible to do and oh god, you might even break your nail!
And yes paying a bunch of people to click 2 parts together is quite costly.
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Buy a new adapter... Have you been reading any of my posts? Okay, sell me yours for market price. There aren't any for sale if you haven't noticed. And no, I don't count waiting a month for a pre-order as an option. If you're willing to deal with one month of charging it through USB alone then by all means, give me yours.
Frankly, if I broke a nail then yes, it is badly designed. Not sure why you think that adds to your point.
"And yes paying a bunch of people to click 2 parts together is quite costly."
And you know this for a fact because...? I asked for sources and you give me, "trust me, I know." Do you even realize how much they pay their factory workers in China? (Apple factory workers get around $1 an hour when factoring in overtime) Do the math: if that one guy can put together 50 an hour, then that's 2 cents in extra costs per tablet order. (they are actually much more efficient) The most expensive part is getting the materials -- NOT the labor. Compare that to saving money on customer service for complaints on the charger.
I honestly don't care if you have a different opinion. But, keep your snide remarks to yourself. If you don't wish to participate in a friendly debate and continue to flame then fine, you win. It's really not worth my time. Try to realize that some people might have different opinions from yours.
Clearly, almost everyone had difficulty putting the damn pieces together. Do you honestly think people share your views on that being a good thing?! I really don't know what chargers you've used but I've never had trouble with others. I have never broken an adapter before so that means, they must be well built, right?
Even you admitted that it was more difficult to assemble than other chargers. How is that a good feature when most other chargers don't require assembly at all? Again, it cost almost nothing to have it assembled in the factory to begin with AND all the tablets I've seen didn't have this adapter "feature"-- so, what is your argument again? (I guess Asus, the multi-billion dollar company, can't afford it) Hell, why did they even assemble the tablet? Save costs! Send me just the case and the insides next time too.
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Where do buy a new adapter for this? I've been waiting for one since I got mine a while ago. The cord is too short, the power adapter shakes around in the wall socket, and you can't buy an extra charger because no one makes them except for Asus at this point (and even Asus doesn't have them to buy separately at this point).
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Exactly my point.
I really don't see how pre-ordering one with no timetable for release is an option.
And you're exactly right: the cord is much too short. I guess that's okay since it saves production costs
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Buy a new adapter... Have you been reading any of my posts? Okay, sell me yours for market price. There aren't any for sale if you haven't noticed. And no, I don't count waiting a month for a pre-order as an option. If you're willing to deal with one month of charging it through USB alone then by all means, give me yours.
Frankly, if I broke a nail then yes, it is badly designed. Not sure why you think that adds to your point.
"And yes paying a bunch of people to click 2 parts together is quite costly."
And you know this for a fact because...? I asked for sources and you give me, "trust me, I know." Do you even realize how much they pay their factory workers in China? (Apple factory workers get around $1 an hour when factoring in overtime) Do the math: if that one guy can put together 50 an hour, then that's 2 cents in extra costs per tablet order. (they are actually much more efficient) The most expensive part is getting the materials -- NOT the labor. Compare that to saving money on customer service for complaints on the charger.
I honestly don't care if you have a different opinion. But, keep your snide remarks to yourself. If you don't wish to participate in a friendly debate and continue to flame then fine, you win. It's really not worth my time. Try to realize that some people might have different opinions from yours.
Clearly, almost everyone had difficulty putting the damn pieces together. Do you honestly think people share your views on that being a good thing?! I really don't know what chargers you've used but I've never had trouble with others. I have never broken an adapter before so that means, they must be well built, right?
Even you admitted that it was more difficult to assemble than other chargers. How is that a good feature when most other chargers don't require assembly at all? Again, it cost almost nothing to have it assembled in the factory to begin with AND all the tablets I've seen didn't have this adapter "feature"-- so, what is your argument again? (I guess Asus, the multi-billion dollar company, can't afford it) Hell, why did they even assemble the tablet? Save costs! Send me just the case and the insides next time too.
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I never said it was good that it's harder to put together, I just said I like it. My only original point, which still stands is that it's a solid built charger which is only proven more by the fact that even though we have to press quite hard to put it together there isn't a single report of a broken charger. You can say all kinds of other non-related nonsense but the fact remains; it's well built, even if it's hard to put together.
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I never said it was good that it's harder to put together, I just said I like it. My only original point, which still stands is that it's a solid built charger which is only proven more by the fact that even though we have to press quite hard to put it together there isn't a single report of a broken charger. You can say all kinds of other non-related nonsense but the fact remains; it's well built, even if it's hard to put together.
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I've never seen a adapter from a big company that wasn't "well built". And my argument still stands that they could have made it less frustrating especially given the fact these adapters are hard to come by. (I guess this is the nonsense part: me expecting a more fluid experience)
Anyway, I'm done arguing about a stupid charger.
My original intent was to help others who didn't know why their chargers weren't working. This was the case until you came out of nowhere and called my views "skewed" about a single comment I made on the quality/design of the hardware. (like if this thing was God's gift to the world and the other manufacturers were making crappy chargers; like if that was the whole premise of my post) Do you think it really matters if this charger should be classified as good or bad hardware?! (well, to me it doesn't) If you want, I will go back and edit my original post because that wasn't part of my original intent anyway.
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a) If the device doesn't have the thunderbolt sign, then it isn't charging.
b) The adapter needs to be pieced together fully. (even if it feels like it won't go in)
c) Force is needed until you hear a click sound.
If you don't mind, I would like to continue helping those who need troubleshooting on their devices.
This adapter is a piece of crap. My adapter melted the first time I plugged it in. Well built. haha... I went to best buy and picked up a Dynex Ultimate charger for 30 bucks. It has a 10 foot cord and works great it charges at 11 volts/1.5 amps.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dynex&#...d=9462949&st=dynex ultimate charger&cp=1&lp=1
ohh, here is a pic of my melted adapter
Soooo, does anybody know why in god's name the adapter was shipped in two pieces? lol
I really wanted this to be a winner. The light bleed is horrible. I have a big gap on the left of the screen that is now starting to separate. It is starting to creak really bad when I hold it. Its now doing the thing where it won't wake up and I have to hard shut it down (my xoom did this all the time, which was one of the main reasons i returned it.) The dock is nowhere to be found. The lag, especially when typing, is getting old.
I am going to give honeycomb time to mature, and then try another tablet. The samsung looks like a better build quality, so hopefully it will get a more finished version of honeycomb. I think asus could have had a real winner here with the price and the dock, but the build quality is atrocious and honeycomb is just too buggy. I could deal with the honeycomb bugs if the hardware wasn't so junky.
I really love android and my HTC inspire, so it amazes me how buggy this is in comparison.
Good luck everyone.
Sorry it didn't work out for you. I too have the light bleed glitch, it's not major but it's enough to annoy me. I'm going to contact Comet and see if they can exchange the unit.
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I really wanted this to be a winner. The light bleed is horrible. I have a big gap on the left of the screen that is now starting to separate. It is starting to creak really bad when I hold it. Its now doing the thing where it won't wake up and I have to hard shut it down (my xoom did this all the time, which was one of the main reasons i returned it.) The dock is nowhere to be found. The lag, especially when typing, is getting old.
I am going to give honeycomb time to mature, and then try another tablet. The samsung looks like a better build quality, so hopefully it will get a more finished version of honeycomb. I think asus could have had a real winner here with the price and the dock, but the build quality is atrocious and honeycomb is just too buggy. I could deal with the honeycomb bugs if the hardware wasn't so junky.
I really love android and my HTC inspire, so it amazes me how buggy this is in comparison.
Good luck everyone.
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I went through 4 Transformer's and came to the same conclusion. Going to wait till the tab 10.1 is released and take a look at that as well as re-evaluate the build quality of the transformer and see if there is better qc. I really did like it alot.
Need to sell my dock now :-(
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Sorry to the OP for the issues you have had. I got my Transformer on US launch day (returned my Xoom to get the Transformer also), and have not had any light bleed or build quality issues.
Actually I prefer the build to the Xoom especially the textured back. The Xoom's black glossy finish had me going nuts just keeping prints off of it.
I have had minor issues with the Sleep of Death issue but they have been rather negligible. I will be receiving my dock tomorrow so hopefully that will be smooth with the latest US patch I have installed.
Asus had the best overall design with the Transformer in my opinion. The dock is just to good of a concept. I'm willing to hang in with them until they patch these issues away. Build quality issues seems to be another issue and with the difficulty they have had delivering the units to the masses I know an RMA has to be a nightmare right now.
I'll stick with them on the Transformer but if they don't fix this stuff I won't buy another Asus tablet until they show and prove. I've been using and loving their motherboards for years, hope they get the tablet game strong.
The thing is though you give up quite a bit with the Galaxy Tab. I too thought about purchasing one (currently have a G-Tablet) but it uses the same Tegra 2 processor, has no USB port, has no HDMI port, and has no microSD card slot. All in all it just doesn't seem like much of an upgrade. Also Android 3.0 will always be Android 3.0 no matter what hardware is running it. I'm sure updates will further refine the OS but the Galaxy Tab will run Honeycomb no better than the Transformer.
I have an Asus transformer and have only a few small concerns with it. The light bleed is due to the IPS panel I believe, the ipad 2 has the same issue.. I dont even notice it really, The plastic back only flexes if I am squeezing harder than I ought to, and remember that its plastic, if you continually flex the back panel its going to get softer and softer. I haven't had it lock up on me, although a few apps have fc'd on me, but I think its more of a compatibility issue. My camera dust cover has dust under it ironically although it hasnt been noticeable in any pictures and the only reason I took a picture with my tablet is to see if the dust was apparent. Its a little too unwieldy for regular picture taking anyways.
I think its a great piece of equipment and at 100 dollars less than anything else out there I am very pleased with it.
If a product doesn't work for you, absolutely, return it. I don't really get why so many people think it's necessary to go to a forum and post that they're returning something, but to each their own, I suppose. I'm returning my Xoom, but since I got the Transformer and decided to keep it instead, I haven't been back to the Motorola forum since. I certainly won't be going back just for the express purpose of announcing my decision.
I mean, it's not like I'd be saying anything about the Xoom that's not already been said there many times. It would almost seem like I was just complaining for no reason other than to spoil the experience for someone else.
Anyways, yeah, whatever. I do have to say as well that I don't really get this fascination with the Galaxy Tab 10.1. It seems like its only advantage is that it's thinner and lighter. It doesn't appear to have a better screen (maybe not even as good as the TF's), it has fewer expansion options, it has Samsung's software which depending on your perspective can be a positive or a negative, and it costs more. Confusing...
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If a product doesn't work for you, absolutely, return it. I don't really get why so many people think it's necessary to go to a forum and post that they're returning something, but to each their own, I suppose. I'm returning my Xoom, but since I got the Transformer and decided to keep it instead, I haven't been back to the Motorola forum since. I certainly won't be going back just for the express purpose of announcing my decision.
I mean, it's not like I'd be saying anything about the Xoom that's not already been said there many times. It would almost seem like I was just complaining for no reason other than to spoil the experience for someone else.
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The reason I posted this, and I suspect why others so it as well, is for perspective buyers who read these forums looking for opinions. If I can help educate someone before buying this then I will.
Anyways, yeah, whatever. I do have to say as well that I don't really get this fascination with the Galaxy Tab 10.1. It seems like its only advantage is that it's thinner and lighter. It doesn't appear to have a better screen (maybe not even as good as the TF's), it has fewer expansion options, it has Samsung's software which depending on your perspective can be a positive or a negative, and it costs more. Confusing...
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The fewer expansion options may be with just the limited edition one they gave out at Google I/O. The ones given out there differ from what was last shown to the public. That being said, I have the original iPad and I have never filled the onboard storage, do I have never had a need for expandable storage or USB ports. So for me, and I suspect a lot of others, it would be a non-issue anyway. Hell I wish I could pay less money for a tablet if I could get the cameras, microSD, and USB ports removed.
Samsung's software is just a bunch of widgets on top of Honeycomb, just like Asus's. It's not a skin like you see on Android phones.
Build quality and weight ARE the big reasons that people such as myself are very interested in the Samsung. i could probably ride out Asus's software issues if I thought the hardware was solid enough to last, but from the unit I got I believe it would be in the trash within a year. Ultimately I am looking for very high build quality with software that is good enough that can/will be upgraded over time.
Reading this place i'm quite happy that i'm made to wait till next month before i can pick TF+scandi dock here.
Hopefully it has gotten better on the hw and soft front. If i'm not pleased there's always Samsung that i can throw money at.
I don't really see blacklight bleeding as a noteworthy subject (Unless of course it's a problem on a bigger scale, which unlike the iPad 2 this doesn't seem to be).
You'll always have devices that slip through QA tests with blacklight bleeding or dead/stuck pixels, the only thing to do is to return it if you get a device like that.
As for the competition, the Xoom is very expensive, and without a dock, the back looks kinda weird honest, where the Asus one look a lot more consist. There's no keyboard-docking at launch, on the upside it does support hacking out of the box.
The Samsung Galaxy Tab I/O-version is gorgeous to say the least, also very hackable, unfortunately that may not be the case for the final version, though i figure it will still be a nice design. Pricing will like the Xoom probably be through the roof, and again, as far as i know, no launch-keyboard docking.
So i'm going for the Transformer, even if i have to send it back because of blacklight bleeding, because i think this is the only tablet sofar that've really made sense from a usability standpoint.
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If a product doesn't work for you, absolutely, return it. I don't really get why so many people think it's necessary to go to a forum and post that they're returning something,
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+1 ...I'm just tired of reading those posts telling the whole world about returning a whatever it is.... seriously..why even bother....
I'm just happy to say my TF has been working very well... there is lightbleed..but it's negligible in daily use and my IPad 2 is no better than that..and the keyboard docking is the deciding factor here for me..
I totally understand how frustrating it can be when you really want to like a piece of tech but it just doesn't pan out. Asus has a terrific concept on their hands and it seems the execution is a bit off. I have never been impressed with their netbooks and laptops in regards to apparent build quality (key word "apparent" since I have no personal experience with them). I have used and swear by Asus motherboards for over 10 years and keep expecting better hardware builds from them.
Nobody has mentioned it, but I have my eye on the new Toshiba coming out in June. USB ports, HDMI and SD. Looks to be solidly built. I also played with an Acer Iconia yesterday it felt pretty nice but wasn't crazy with the type of plastic they used on the ends. They also don't have a great track record with their h/w.
The tech is still awfully young with no one having any track record except Apple (and you've all heard the issues they have been having). I am impatient about this stuff as you all and being early adopters always comes at a cost. I am forcing myself to wait till I can check out these tablets in person before I plunk down my benjamins. I will check out the Transformer for myself when it finally makes it to the brick and mortars but I am rather skeptical of them. Toshiba seems to fit my wants pretty well. I also like it has a user replaceable battery.
most of these issues seem to be due to production variances since not everyone has the same problem. Which means you can easily find a better by exchanging your device.
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The reason I posted this, and I suspect why others so it as well, is for perspective buyers who read these forums looking for opinions. If I can help educate someone before buying this then I will.
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I appreciate you taking time to post your reasons for "throwing in the towel". However there is always a problem with these kind of posts. It suffers from "this is my experience, you can expect the same". You may not have meant it, but it can be preceived that way.
My experience has been just the opposite from yours... so who's experience with the TF is indicative of the product? Yours or mine?
I have yet to see any product that is massed produced from paperbooks, electronics, cars, to hamburgers ..... you name it, that doesnt have a few lemons get out there... its the nature of manufacturing. Its unavoidable.
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The fewer expansion options may be with just the limited edition one they gave out at Google I/O. The ones given out there differ from what was last shown to the public. That being said, I have the original iPad and I have never filled the onboard storage, do I have never had a need for expandable storage or USB ports. So for me, and I suspect a lot of others, it would be a non-issue anyway. Hell I wish I could pay less money for a tablet if I could get the cameras, microSD, and USB ports removed.
Samsung's software is just a bunch of widgets on top of Honeycomb, just like Asus's. It's not a skin like you see on Android phones.
Build quality and weight ARE the big reasons that people such as myself are very interested in the Samsung. i could probably ride out Asus's software issues if I thought the hardware was solid enough to last, but from the unit I got I believe it would be in the trash within a year. Ultimately I am looking for very high build quality with software that is good enough that can/will be upgraded over time.
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The one given away at the Google I/O is the same one that will be sold at retail sans the white back. There will be no USB on the device itself but instead there will be an adapter sold that will allow for USB connectivity. There will be no microSD because the microSD card slot will be the same slot that houses the SIM card. There will be microSD support on the wifi/3G model but not on the wifi only model. Seeing as how you've had an iPad and don't care for onboard ports and expandable memory (some of the biggest advantages of owning an Android tablet) then why not just buy an iPad 2? It appears to me that the Samsung tablet offers a gimped Android experience without handing over more money for the additional functionality.
EDIT: Also 32 gigs now days is fairly small when a movie itself takes up over a gig of space and music collections can span hundreds of gigs of space. Take into account memory reserved for the OS and apps and you're looking at only about 29 gigs of usable space on a 32 gig tablet for media.
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I went through 4 Transformer's and came to the same conclusion. Going to wait till the tab 10.1 is released and take a look at that as well as re-evaluate the build quality of the transformer and see if there is better qc. I really did like it alot.
Need to sell my dock now :-(
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ill buy the dock lol
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I appreciate you taking time to post your reasons for "throwing in the towel". However there is always a problem with these kind of posts. It suffers from "this is my experience, you can expect the same". You may not have meant it, but it can be preceived that way.
My experience has been just the opposite from yours... so who's experience with the TF is indicative of the product? Yours or mine?
I have yet to see any product that is massed produced from paperbooks, electronics, cars, to hamburgers ..... you name it, that doesnt have a few lemons get out there... its the nature of manufacturing. Its unavoidable.
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But by me not posting this, then potential buyers will not be aware of the potential issues. The problem exists both ways - if only unhappy users post, then everyone reading will think there is a problem. If only happy users post, then everyone reading will think the product is perfect. That's why I have chosen to post MY review of the product. It's up to the satisfied customers to do the same to balance out the equation.
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Seeing as how you've had an iPad and don't care for onboard ports and expandable memory (some of the biggest advantages of owning an Android tablet) then why not just buy an iPad 2? It appears to me that the Samsung tablet offers a gimped Android experience without handing over more money for the additional functionality.
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The reason I am not buying an iPad 2 is the same reason I switched to Android after having iPhones for 3+ years - I want to be in control of the device I own. I want to customize it. I do not want the manufacturer deciding if the content is appropriate or not. I do not want my device held hostage by a CEO with an ego the size of the universe. I want to switcher launchers. I want to switch default browsers. I want real background tasks and real multitasking. That's why I have chosen Android. I am so sick my Apple stuff it's ridiculous.
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But by me not posting this, then potential buyers will not be aware of the potential issues. The problem exists both ways - if only unhappy users post, then everyone reading will think there is a problem. If only happy users post, then everyone reading will think the product is perfect. That's why I have chosen to post MY review of the product. It's up to the satisfied customers to do the same to balance out the equation.
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I think there are plenty of posts here that discuss the problems that users encounter and the shortcomings that some users see. You see the same exact posts in every forum for every device so if a user only goes by that he/she will NEVER find a device. There will be just as many people hating and returning the Galaxy Tab 10.1 as there have been returns for the XOOM, the Acer and the Transformer. You made your decision and that's good. I just sold my XOOM, not because I was unhappy with it, but I wanted different features that the TF offers. Maybe I am too realistic to expect the perfect tablet. For me personally the TF has everything I need. Hopefully the 10.1 will be the right tablet for you!
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Can some of you post some pictures of your light bleed problems?
I have light bleed but to notice it, you'd have to crank the brightness up to max and be in a dark room. (Not a common situation I find myself in) Even when shutting off the lights, dimming down the brightness helps and the picture is still pretty clear. Also, light bleed is quite common in LCD screens.
I'm just having trouble understanding how light bleed can be so debilitating that some people would actually go through the trouble and exchange their unit multiple times.
I also have the creaky problem when I put moderate pressure on the back of my device but putting on the sleeve helped. (though it is not compatible with the dock)
Finally, I sympathize with your wake problems because my Xoom had this problem as well. I haven't experienced it with my TF but I can see how it can be an annoyance. Most of the other problems you can fix or put a band-aid on; but this one, you really can't. Not sure why we all aren't getting this problem since we are basically running the same software -- perhaps it's a problematic app or maybe an app triggered some sort of internal problem. (that's why I didn't dl the task killer this time)
Anyway, I'd try again but a refund isn't too bad either. We are still at an early stage with tablets so waiting a couple of months (but most likely sometime in 2012) might pay off.
Looks freaking sweet.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/29/this-is-the-asus-padfone/#bXpulseX
That bulge in the back after docking is gonna feel weird.
i dont think so. i bet the phone gunna be light as a feather, but then again no one knows what ASUS has up there sleave untill tomorrow when they give a full preview on it
pics of the intire unit next to a transformer
http://androidcommunity.com/asus-padfone-press-photos-full-view-breaking-leak-20110529/
That looks odd. And heavy.
I think it's brilliant.
Hum, not really seeing the utility, should just get the phone you want, the tablet you want and then, invest in a good syncing apps? looks weird too...
I like the way it looks, I for one love this idea cause I'm always misplacing my phone and I'd rather have all my info and apps in 1 device, for instance if you're playing a game on the go, and you come home, you can plug it into the dock and play the same game, instead of having 2 different devices. I think it looks better than the TF. My only concern is price. Cause I don't really care about it being 1 mm thinner than an iPad or 1 mm thicker, unless its 2 inches thicker, I don't care, also don't care too much about weight as long as its under 2.5lbs. As long as it has a quality build, and the price isn't way out there than I am very interested in this.
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I like the way it looks, I for one love this idea cause I'm always misplacing my phone and I'd rather have all my info and apps in 1 device, for instance if you're playing a game on the go, and you come home, you can plug it into the dock and play the same game, instead of having 2 different devices. I think it looks better than the TF. My only concern is price. Cause I don't really care about it being 1 mm thinner than an iPad or 1 mm thicker, unless its 2 inches thicker, I don't care, also don't care too much about weight as long as its under 2.5lbs. As long as it has a quality build, and the price isn't way out there than I am very interested in this.
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We dont know if the phone is going to be supplying the gpu and cpu just yet. I bet the tab will work with out the phone and cost 400$ and plugging in an optional phone will do sonething else to the tablet.
I'm also glad there focus is not all on how thin it is like samsung. Rather waist time on being diffrent than looking at apples notes and ideas to copy.
Perhaps the tablet works by itself, but popping in the phone provides 3G/4G connectivity and phone functionality (e.g., SMS, voicemail, taking calls through the tablet). If they went crazy and made it compatible with the Transformer dock, I'd be sold. Doesn't look like they did, however.
Very cool concept. Looks like Asus is working hard to be the real innovator in this new space.
There's no latching points on either of two longer sides, so no, it looks like it's not compatible with the Transformer's dock. That's a really pity, because I'd love a phone/tablet/netbook all-in-one. Having said that, I think something like that would be more suited to a Tegra 3 chip.
i think its a great look, use the phone for daily use pop in in a tab for leasure and movie watching and news reading. I mean come on no crazy latch on keyboard like the motorola atrix <--huge fail. If your gonna do a phone slash tab all in one this is the way to do it.
to bad the phone's not on the bottom of a keyboard dock for the TF
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to bad the phone's not on the bottom of a keyboard dock for the TF
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Wouldn't make much sence imo . Then your forced to carry everything to use the phone function
Not seeing a dock connector at the bottom. Shame. Bit of a waste. But I'd never buy a slate phone anyway regardless of its docking options.
Although I admire their innovation given that a lot of android devices end up the same, I think it looks dire. That bulge at the back sucks. The fact that your phone will be stuck in the tablet when you get a call sucks as well. Also I highly doubt this tablet is going to be running honeycomb, as it will almost certainly run from the phone's hardware, and that in itself is reason enough not to buy one if you ask me. I imagine it will end up being 2.2/2.3 with custom ui over the top like on the prototype transformer. Just my guess though.
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pics of the intire unit next to a transformer
http://androidcommunity.com/asus-padfone-press-photos-full-view-breaking-leak-20110529/
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Although I admire their innovation given that a lot of android devices end up the same, I think it looks dire. That bulge at the back sucks. The fact that your phone will be stuck in the tablet when you get a call sucks as well. Also I highly doubt this tablet is going to be running honeycomb, as it will almost certainly run from the phone's hardware, and that in itself is reason enough not to buy one if you ask me. I imagine it will end up being 2.2/2.3 with custom ui over the top like on the prototype transformer. Just my guess though.
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U won't know yet till tomorrow yep
I used to live in the bay area back before cell towers provided internet service and we had to use these cool custom radios that were about the size of a walki-talkie to get our mobile internet. Our solution for integrating the mobile internet to our laptops was this really sweet invention called Velcro... I'm thinking if the folks at Asus had seen my 2001 laptop they might have opted for Velcro too instead of adding a glove box to a tablet.
Hey All,
So I have had a pretty bad run of tablets here in the Salt Lake Valley. Not sure If its because of the way they are transported through the valley or maybe my Best Buy(s) have gotten bad shipments. Here is my track record thus far:
Purchase 1: Soft Spot under Left Speaker, Caused bad creaking whenever you gripped the left side of the tab.
Exchange 2: Perfect Case (I was so excited), But... had Bad speakers (Made crackling/popping noises when sounds were played after about 5 seconds of sleep)
Exchange 3: Back Panel of the entire tab was loose.. I could physically wiggle the back plate Very freaky.
Exchange 4 (My Current device): Speakers are great, but the bottom of the tablet (mostly the left side and the area around the Charging port) "Snaps" or clicks... Like maybe the case wasn't secured there.
So I am going to ask you all this, Should I try one more exchange, or should I just settle for this small defect and hope it doesn't become something of a larger problem. It DID take an unusually long time to charge to full power (Almost 12 hours from 22% to 100%), However, I have read that due to the huge battery in these things than compared to the GalaxyTab 10.1 could be the primary cause of that.
Anyhow, your input is greatly appreciated. The Clicking on the bottom anytime I pick this thing up gnaws at me... I hate to think I paid 500 Bucks for a ton of defects... My other main worry is if the case is loose or something that I will end up with Dust under my screen.
Thanks so much everyone!
Miles
You might consider purchasing from a different place. Amazon has a good return policy and pay shipping on returns if it's defective.
I've been surprised at the lack of complaints so far, so I think in general the qc is pretty decent.
Charging should not take that long. I plugged mine in last night around 10 and it was charged at 6am. That was from 7% with the stock charger. Use the task manager to close apps and don't use it while you charge it. If you use it while you charge it will take a long time.
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It sounds like you went beyond your means to buy something you can't afford and are looking for reasons to return it.
I'm not looking to return... I really love this device and just feel for 500 bucks it should be as close to perfect as it can be. I'm just wondering if exchanging it again is worth it, or if I should just live with the small defect. I really do love Samsung and its Devices, as I am upgrading from a Galaxy Tab 10.1. However, for the few I have tried so far, the defects have been pretty large... So to keep an item with a faulty speaker or a a Bad case seems slight silly to me for 500 dollars.
Try again. but dont be so determined on finding a defect. the mind will easily manifest one if your mind set on that there will be a defect.
I'd say get a refund because you're spending much more time looking for faults than you're actually using it.
Thanks so far everyone. I think you're probably all right and letting these little faults get into my mind is probably the worst part. Seeing as this is the only "Computer" I have I suppose I do look awfully hard for perfection, mostly out of worry. I travel a lot and have chosen the tablet as my primary means of communication and such over a laptop. While Work provides me a laptop for work... They often time swap it out or give me hassles over its use for personal means. And since I travel so much I don't see much point in carrying two laptops or having a Desktop at home I can't take with me... Plus I have a 2 year old with another on the way.. so Being portable is extremely important to me as well. I spend most my time at home with my Son and thus being able to whip out my Tablet somewhere and check my emails and such from a small messenger bag is perfect.
Thank you again everyone for your input and perhaps I will just keep this one and let the little click go. It doesn't seem to be an issue as far as I can tell, just a minor annoyance.
OT but I just have to laugh at you younger folk thinking $500 is a lot to pay for technology of this level.
My first cell phone cost $1200 on contract. My first Pentium laptop was $3500. The first Razor flip phone (that wasn't even a smart phone) was $500 on contract.
Don't get thrown off by comparing the $200 7 inch models to this. I have a 7 inch tablet. It is a big phone basically. I found myself surfing the web on my E4GT as often as I did on my tablet. Now that I've bought the SGN10.1, I haven't picked up my phone once to surf the web (except when I was away from home).
The 10.1 inch real estate with the s-pen makes this tablet a workhorse at only $500.
** Sorry you are having such bad luck dude. My first SGN10.1 had light bleed on the bottom left hand corner so I feel your pain. My second one was perfect though so I guess I got lucky.
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I'm not looking to return... I really love this device and just feel for 500 bucks it should be as close to perfect as it can be. I'm just wondering if exchanging it again is worth it, or if I should just live with the small defect. I really do love Samsung and its Devices, as I am upgrading from a Galaxy Tab 10.1. However, for the few I have tried so far, the defects have been pretty large... So to keep an item with a faulty speaker or a a Bad case seems slight silly to me for 500 dollars.
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Return it to Best Buy and buy from Amazon.
Be aware Best Buy has a policy that when you reach a magic number of returns (and they won't tell what that number is) they will refuse to let you get a refund or return even if the item is defective and when you get a price match it counts as a return.
I rarely buy from them. OTOH Amazon has full rights to my credit card.