Hello Friends.
I am new to the world of Android and hence have a couple of general queries with regards to rooting.
When I have garnered sufficient knowledge and understanding, I will post in the appropriate section corresponding to my device.
I am vaguely aware of rooting but do not know a bit on how to proceed. Hence, I am here to learn from you all.
I have few basic understandings, please do correct me wherever I am wrong.
My presumptions are -
1] Rooting is reversible. I can un-root my device whenever I desire.
2] Before I root my device, it is highly recommended to backup the Stock ROM and other essentials such as Contacts and Messages, along with the personal data such as photographs, videos etc.
3] After rooting my device, I will be able to remove whichever pre-installed app (bloatware) on my device.
4] I am aware that the rooting process is usually different for every Android device.
5] I am also aware there are pre-rooted stock ROMs that exist as well.
My queries are -
1] Is it advisable to root my device first, then remove the desired bloatwares and after that, backup the stock ROM?
2] What is a pre-rooted stock ROM?
3] After my device is rooted, can I acquire official updates from the manufacturer of my device?
I beg every member to forgive my naivety and plead for your patience. I am not ashamed to admit I am a proverbial "noob".
I await your informative responses. Thank you all in advance.
YLNdroid said:
Hello Friends.
I am new to the world of Android and hence have a couple of general queries with regards to rooting.
When I have garnered sufficient knowledge and understanding, I will post in the appropriate section corresponding to my device.
I am vaguely aware of rooting but do not know a bit on how to proceed. Hence, I am here to learn from you all.
I have few basic understandings, please do correct me wherever I am wrong.
My presumptions are -
1] Rooting is reversible. I can un-root my device whenever I desire.
2] Before I root my device, it is highly recommended to backup the Stock ROM and other essentials such as Contacts and Messages, along with the personal data such as photographs, videos etc.
3] After rooting my device, I will be able to remove whichever pre-installed app (bloatware) on my device.
4] I am aware that the rooting process is usually different for every Android device.
5] I am also aware there are pre-rooted stock ROMs that exist as well.
My queries are -
1] Is it advisable to root my device first, then remove the desired bloatwares and after that, backup the stock ROM?
2] What is a pre-rooted stock ROM?
3] After my device is rooted, can I acquire official updates from the manufacturer of my device?
I beg every member to forgive my naivety and plead for your patience. I am not ashamed to admit I am a proverbial "noob".
I await your informative responses. Thank you all in advance.
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1) No. First root, then backup, then remove bloatware
2) Its a stock ROM (that comes with the phone) with root access
3) Yes u can receive official updates. Also called OTAs. (Over the Air)
Clarification,
I understand the usefulness of back ups, however, I don't keep them... call me dangerous, yes I have soft bricked my phone at work once... I have learned a few tricks along the way for getting out of a bind.
Also most custom ROMs are rooted, ie have su binaries installed and superuser app. They will usually produce a pure stock ROM in order to be "un-rooted."
The OTA question, though, is a trick question. No you cannot receive a pushed OTA if you are on a custom ROM. You may be able to if you were stock rooted. Realistically, you don't want to take an OTA, as it will likely break your root and you may be stuck until a new exploit is found. You will want to un-root to a version with a known root exploit.
You are on the right track and are smart for doing your research before you dive in. Be sure you are comfortable with the procedure and know your options and possible errors.
I am curious to know your device, and hear back with your progress!
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YLNdroid said:
My presumptions are -
1] Rooting is reversible. I can un-root my device whenever I desire.
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I don't know if you can, but it is reversible.
YLNdroid said:
2] Before I root my device, it is highly recommended to backup the Stock ROM and other essentials such as Contacts and Messages, along with the personal data such as photographs, videos etc.
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Without root, you usually can't backup everything, certainly not the complete ROM.
YLNdroid said:
3] After rooting my device, I will be able to remove whichever pre-installed app (bloatware) on my device.
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Yes, (there might be a difference with HTC devices see 'S-Off', i don't own a htc)
YLNdroid said:
4] I am aware that the rooting process is usually different for every Android device.
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The basics are usually the same, get the superuser binary and a management app on your device and make sure they are executable and have the right permissions. HOW they get there is what differs.
YLNdroid said:
5] I am also aware there are pre-rooted stock ROMs that exist as well.
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Yes
YLNdroid said:
1] Is it advisable to root my device first, then remove the desired bloatwares and after that, backup the stock ROM?
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No, backup the stock ROM first, if you screw up and remove too much or the wrong thing, you have something to go back to.
After you are done removing bloatware, you can backup again. Transfer the backups off your phone on your computer if they take too much space.
YLNdroid said:
2] What is a pre-rooted stock ROM?
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Its the ROM that came with the device, with the only difference that it has already been rooted (su binary and app added).
YLNdroid said:
3] After my device is rooted, can I acquire official updates from the manufacturer of my device?
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If you just root your device, yes.
Though you will mostlikely loose your root after you updated and have to root again.
Friends, thank you for your responses. Presently, I am pressed for time. Once university obligations have been fulfilled, I will steadily commence with my humble research and come back with eventual queries.
imheroldman said:
I am curious to know your device, and hear back with your progress!
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imheroldman, an uncle of mine gifted me a Samsung Galaxy Note during Easter.
Hello Friends, I am about 95% finished with university obligations and very eager to start with the rooting (and tweaking!) process for my device.
During my hectic schedule, I did try to read and research to the best of my capabilities. Thus, I have my further queries.
1] I understand Rooting and Flashing are two different phenomena. Hence, should I discuss my queries relating to flashing ROMs in this very thread or should I start a separate one?
2] From what I have been advised through your replies, I understand I should -
(i) root my device first
(ii) back up the stock ROM and preferably transfer this back up to my computer
(iii) remove the desired bloatwares
(iv) back up the 'tweaked' stock ROM again and transfer it to my computer
I suppose it would do no harm in keeping two different backups, one with the stock ROM in its entirety and the other with bloatwares removed!
3] When the manufacturer releases an official update, I can avail this by restoring the back up created in (ii) of my query 2], and then un-rooting, right?
4] After I root my device, will the Binary Counter increase? I have been unable to read and research on the aspect of the binary counter.
I thank you all for your continued patience with my "noobish" behaviour. I am an infant in this domain and I have just started learning from you all.
Awaiting your highly valued expertise.
YLNdroid said:
Hello Friends, I am about 95% finished with university obligations and very eager to start with the rooting (and tweaking!) process for my device.
During my hectic schedule, I did try to read and research to the best of my capabilities. Thus, I have my further queries.
1] I understand Rooting and Flashing are two different phenomena. Hence, should I discuss my queries relating to flashing ROMs in this very thread or should I start a separate one?
2] From what I have been advised through your replies, I understand I should -
(i) root my device first
(ii) back up the stock ROM and preferably transfer this back up to my computer
(iii) remove the desired bloatwares
(iv) back up the 'tweaked' stock ROM again and transfer it to my computer
I suppose it would do no harm in keeping two different backups, one with the stock ROM in its entirety and the other with bloatwares removed!
3] When the manufacturer releases an official update, I can avail this by restoring the back up created in (ii) of my query 2], and then un-rooting, right?
4] After I root my device, will the Binary Counter increase? I have been unable to read and research on the aspect of the binary counter.
I thank you all for your continued patience with my "noobish" behaviour. I am an infant in this domain and I have just started learning from you all.
Awaiting your highly valued expertise.
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It most definitely never hurts to back up your roms as I've learned the hard way, cool tip, if you're keeping more than one backup make sure you liable them so as to make them distinguishable for future reference.
Removing bloatware is pretty easy, a lot of rooms out there even do it for you and now with the aroma installers a lot of the devs are using it makes it pretty cut and dry picking and choosing what you want installed or don't.
I wish you luck in your endeavors, its pretty awesome all the work these guys have done to make things way easy for beginners like us. Just be patient and read EVERYTHING I can't stress that enough, do your research if you encounter problems before you contact the dev because 9 times out of 10 someone else is having or had the problem before
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Venomusdragon said:
It most definitely never hurts to back up your roms as I've learned the hard way, cool tip, if you're keeping more than one backup make sure you liable them so as to make them distinguishable for future reference.
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Thank you Venomusdragon, I will definitely label my backups so that I can distinguish between them if and when the need arises to refer to the said backups.
I am awaiting further responses from the veteran members as well.
YLNdroid said:
Hello Friends, I am about 95% finished with university obligations and very eager to start with the rooting (and tweaking!) process for my device.
During my hectic schedule, I did try to read and research to the best of my capabilities. Thus, I have my further queries.
1] I understand Rooting and Flashing are two different phenomena. Hence, should I discuss my queries relating to flashing ROMs in this very thread or should I start a separate one?
2] From what I have been advised through your replies, I understand I should -
(i) root my device first
(ii) back up the stock ROM and preferably transfer this back up to my computer
(iii) remove the desired bloatwares
(iv) back up the 'tweaked' stock ROM again and transfer it to my computer
I suppose it would do no harm in keeping two different backups, one with the stock ROM in its entirety and the other with bloatwares removed!
3] When the manufacturer releases an official update, I can avail this by restoring the back up created in (ii) of my query 2], and then un-rooting, right?
4] After I root my device, will the Binary Counter increase? I have been unable to read and research on the aspect of the binary counter.
I thank you all for your continued patience with my "noobish" behaviour. I am an infant in this domain and I have just started learning from you all.
Awaiting your highly valued expertise.
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Friends, I eagerly await your expertise.
I sincerely apologise if I have put off any of you due to my paramount stupidity and naivety.
With utmost humility, I am keen on getting started with the first step - Rooting.
A humble request to the Superiors.
Could this thread be moved to the Android Q&A category of the Android Development and Hacking sub-forum, please?
Try searching in youtube for a more detailed explanation like i have
For a galaxy note,I believe ODIN is the best rooting tool.
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Hello Friends, please pardon my daft queries below.
I am aware that a device is required to be rooted in order to flash a custom firmware/ROM. Is it the same with a stock firmware/ROM?
Do I need to root the current stock firmware before I flash another stock firmware of my choice?
My device is a Samsung Galaxy Note GT-N7000. :silly:
Thank you for your patience.
YLNdroid said:
Hello Friends, please pardon my daft queries below.
I am aware that a device is required to be rooted in order to flash a custom firmware/ROM. Is it the same with a stock firmware/ROM?
Do I need to root the current stock firmware before I flash another stock firmware of my choice?
My device is a Samsung Galaxy Note GT-N7000. :silly:
Thank you for your patience.
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Custom firmware is not the same as stock firmware. Stock firmware is 'official' update and doesn't need rooting.
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Allanitomwesh said:
Custom firmware is not the same as stock firmware. Stock firmware is 'official' update and doesn't need rooting.
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Thank you for your apt response Allanitomwesh.
Your welcome.
Only consider rooting for stock firmware if it isn't available in your country.
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Allanitomwesh said:
Only consider rooting for stock firmware if it isn't available in your country.
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Allanitomwesh, could you kindly explain or describe a relevant scenario?
Thank you once again.
YLNdroid said:
Allanitomwesh, could you kindly explain or describe a relevant scenario?
Thank you once again.
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So you have an android phone. It is locked to your carrier. Google releases a new version of android,and the phone manufacturer makes a new firmware (new android + factory skin like say sense or touchwiz)
So,if your phone was unlocked you'd get firmware right away,but instead,the manufacturer is told by the carrier that the new android isn't good for their customers (interferes with bloatware or messes with internet,something like that) so you and everyone with your phone on that network gets skipped when the update rolls out. But you really want that new android...
That's when rooting your phone and flashing stock makes sense. Otherwise, custom roms usually have more features.
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Allanitomwesh said:
So you have an android phone. It is locked to your carrier. Google releases a new version of android,and the phone manufacturer makes a new firmware (new android + factory skin like say sense or touchwiz)
So,if your phone was unlocked you'd get firmware right away,but instead,the manufacturer is told by the carrier that the new android isn't good for their customers (interferes with bloatware or messes with internet,something like that) so you and everyone with your phone on that network gets skipped when the update rolls out. But you really want that new android...
That's when rooting your phone and flashing stock makes sense. Otherwise, custom roms usually have more features.
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Allanitomwesh, thank you very much for the explanation.
I suppose I need not worry as my device is the International version of the Samsung Galaxy Note [GT-N7000] and was sim free. :silly: