I came from a G2, this phone is tons slower. Unlock after pattern takes a whole second. It's terrible.
Try removing unwanted widgets on your home screen, I tried to make mine very minimalist and it's working fine. Battery life is terrible though
No widgets. There is something very wrong here. Battery life is ultra terrible, you're right. If they don't update the firmware then it'll be a disaster and LG will lose whatever goodwill they built the last few years with the g2 and G3
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This phone seemed rushed and not polished hope a 5.1 update fix this issue with the phone. For a 1080p screen battery drains to much considering the battery size.
I had the same problem with the g3. Laggy and very poor battery life be lucky to have 20% left after 5hrs
this will help with lag
If you do an immediate factory reset after the initial startup when getting it it helps immensely with the lagging issues mine is crazy fast now
The Verge tech site did a review and they observed same lags:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/13/8206953/lg-g-flex-2-review
From the review:
"Did I mention that the scrolling is laggy? That chronic lag also spoils the other jewels in Android’s crown"
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If you do an immediate factory reset after the initial startup when getting it it helps immensely with the lagging issues mine is crazy fast now
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You're not kidding, right? Maybe a dalvik cache flush would work for me. How do you enter recovery on this thing?
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Now that I'm rooted and able to change my gov from interactive to ondemand i see the phone i paid for!
Yes, there is a lag here and there but I don't have any complaints about battery life. It's not as good as G3 but a whole league better than my previous Galaxy S5.
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Yes, there is a lag here and there but I don't have any complaints about battery life. It's not as good as G3 but a whole league better than my previous Galaxy S5.
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I seriously doubt that, like how I doubt that you only get little lag.
No need to lie, man. We all hate it when we dump $700 on a "premium" phone that feels and responds like something out of Fischer Price. I've been there too.
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I seriously doubt that, like how I doubt that you only get little lag.
No need to lie, man. We all hate it when we dump $700 on a "premium" phone that feels and responds like something out of Fischer Price. I've been there too.
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YMMV but I don't have any need to lie. My S5 would go from 100 to 20% in 8 hours with screen off.
G3 under the same conditions, same config/apps 2 days easy.
Flex 2 100 to 50% in 24 hrs.
Edit: Last time I took my wife to a dinner and used my S5 for navigation there. When we left, the phone was 100% charged. When we got back home after approx 3 hrs, the battery was at 15%. That's when I decided I need to try something different (again)
The lag I would compare to my old Note 2 (I still use) which I agree, is unacceptable considering Flex 2 has much better hardware.
I also had a few FCs on contacts which seems to be a common bug of L. (had the same thing with S5 after I upgraded to lollipop)
Lets hope it'll get ironed out with next update.
Oh and it looks like the signal strength is considerably better compared to any of my Galaxies BUT the handoff is slower.
This is the lag you'd get, after running geekbench 3 times in a row.
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And here's the ****ty battery life.
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Well I don't know why but these are my results:
Three times in row. The first two were much better (about 2x better) but the third one... not that stellar. Maybe the much discussed heat throttling? But the phone didn't feel especially hot.
I still cannot complain about the battery.
Both our results are very very bad for an 810 chip
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This is the lag you'd get, after running geekbench 3 times in a row.
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And here's the ****ty battery life.
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Out of curiosity, why did you buy the device and why haven't you returned it yet?
Your lagging issues and battery problems are very common with the Flex 2 because of the power-hungry 810 processor.
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/03/17/lg-g-flex-2-review/
Performance is unbelievably terrible
I could potentially overlook some of the missing Lollipop features and broken system tools (that’s a lie, I probably couldn’t), but the level of jank and lag in this phone is something you just can’t avoid. I don’t know if LG had to throttle the hell out of the Snapdragon 810 to keep it from melting all of this plastic and so it just can’t keep up, or if Lollipop’s memory leak is to blame, but what I do know is that this phone is the worst performing phone I have used in probably four years. It stutters while swiping between screens. It also needs to be rebooted multiple times per day to function properly. It gets so bad some times that it can’t even load websites properly in Chrome without completely freezing up. I can’t even tell you the number of times that I got so frustrated that I went from hammering on back, home, and app switcher buttons to try to kill current tasks, to being moments away from throwing the phone against a wall. It simply cannot be understated how terrible this phone is to try to complete anything on.
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I bought the flex2 because I didn't believe that it was as terrible as the press claimed, and had to see for myself. What I saw is worse than the press said.
In my country we can't just return things, it has to be defective to return things. Singapore.
Based on some accounts we read here, saying that it's just a batch problem, I can then build a case for return.
I also like to buy bleeding edge devices and see what can be done to redress their problems.
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I bought the flex2 because I didn't believe that it was as terrible as the press claimed, and had to see for myself. What I saw is worse than the press said.
In my country we can't just return things, it has to be defective to return things. Singapore.
Based on some accounts we read here, saying that it's just a batch problem, I can then build a case for return.
I also like to buy bleeding edge devices and see what can be done to redress their problems.
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I think the press was too lenient with this device. It seems like all of them were trying to downplay the lagging issue to get on Qualcomm and LG's good side.
Anyway, I hope everything works out for you, and if you plan on buying another high-end phone this year, I suggest you stick with Samsung.
It seems all the bad rumors about the 810 are true, so it's logical to assume that any phone from LG, htc, SONY, and other OEMs not named Samsung will have the same problems as the G FLex 2.
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I think the press was too lenient with this device. It seems like all of them were trying to downplay the lagging issue to get on Qualcomm and LG's good side.
Anyway, I hope everything works out for you, and if you plan on buying another high-end phone this year, I suggest you stick with Samsung.
It seems all the bad rumors about the 810 are true, so it's logical to assume that any phone from LG, htc, SONY, and other OEMs not named Samsung will have the same problems as the G FLex 2.
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Hi Apple, I dislike Touchwiz intensely. My family has myriad Samsung devices, they suck. The G2 and G3 were masterpieces. I hope that LG can fix this. I'll try switching the device tomorrow but I hope that I will get some information on WHAT serial number works and what doesn't.
My serial number for sucky Flex 2 is 502KPCA003579 LG-H959
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If the N5 doesn't live up to your expectations which phone would you prefer instead even if cost were not a factor?
Is there another carrier flagship phone that you are satisfied would be flexible enough for you to be able to do all of the following?
root, rom;
restore to stock rom if necessary;
return to store after restoring stock rom;
upgrade via carrier upgrade plan after restoring stock rom?
make a potential carrier warranty claim after restoring stock rom?
If the Nexus 5 doesn't list up to my expectations, I will go back to my Galaxy Nexus. It may not be the most state of the art device but with CM ROM's and faux123's kernels, I can't go wrong with it.
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If the Nexus 5 doesn't list up to my expectations, I will go back to my Galaxy Nexus. It may not be the most state of the art device but with CM ROM's and faux123's kernels, I can't go wrong with it.
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That's actually the phone I own also but I've got it pretty heavily loaded over the last 2 years. I really think I need at least another gig of ram to run well and a faster processor wouldn't hurt. The non-removable 2300 battery on the N5 is just a real disappointment. I've only owned nexus devices so far and I'm a bit concerned that a carrier flagship may not be flexible enough.
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That's actually the phone I own also but I've got it pretty heavily loaded over the last 2 years. I really think I need at least another gig of ram to run well and a faster processor wouldn't hurt. The non-removable 2300 battery on the N5 is just a real disappointment. I've only owned nexus devices so far and I'm a bit concerned that a carrier flagship may not be flexible enough.
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A non-removable battery might be a deal breaker for me. I like to be able to just swap batteries if needed. I sure hope it doesn't end up with a non-removable battery. I am not a fan of LG stuff in the first place and I avoided the Nexus 4 for various issues. With T-Mobile not announcing another Sidekick anytime soon, I need to upgrade. I don't like the physical home buttons on phones so that has kept me away from the S4 and other phones. My original Galaxy Nexus actually got damaged due to heavy rain I got caught in and I couldn't get another from my carrier. I ended up getting an S4 to trade my mother for her Galaxy Nexus.
To be honest, nothing beats the Nexus experience to me, and I can't even think of other choices with what I have experienced. When I think of a Nexus Phone I don't really give a huge deal for the hardware internals, because it's not really meant to be a show off with the latest hardware and the largest battery. Samsung soon will hit a 1000 cpu cores into their Exynos bully maybe, and yet their Touchwiz phone LAG and stutter. A properly minimally optimized OS over a good deal of hardware is what Google brings, not to forget the minimal design of the phone, and oh for a damn good price - I wouldn't ask for more.
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A non-removable battery might be a deal breaker for me. I like to be able to just swap batteries if needed. I sure hope it doesn't end up with a non-removable battery. I am not a fan of LG stuff in the first place and I avoided the Nexus 4 for various issues. With T-Mobile not announcing another Sidekick anytime soon, I need to upgrade. I don't like the physical home buttons on phones so that has kept me away from the S4 and other phones. My original Galaxy Nexus actually got damaged due to heavy rain I got caught in and I couldn't get another from my carrier. I ended up getting an S4 to trade my mother for her Galaxy Nexus.
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I played with the LG G2 for over an hour, and decided it was too Samsung 'cheapie' plastic to suit me. The HTC One Max would be my next phone, despite an S600 chipset, based on durability and useability, and those speakers would come in quite handy at times.
prob moto x
If the Nexus is a no-go on Verizon I'll likely wait until the Moto Maker site goes live for VZW and at least get 32 gigs of internal storage. Feels really good in the hand and super smooth
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No choice but to keep it if i go n5.. i currently own a note3 and waiting to return for a n5... if i dont like it.. then too bad for me
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A non-removable battery might be a deal breaker for me. I like to be able to just swap batteries if needed. I sure hope it doesn't end up with a non-removable battery.
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+1 - love just been able to swap a fully charged battery. Extremely convenient... though from the leaks it looks very unlikely. Though I'm quite over my S4 atm and wanna try something different - the N5 looks like it could be a good choice.
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+1 - love just been able to swap a fully charged battery. Extremely convenient... though from the leaks it looks very unlikely. Though I'm quite over my S4 atm and wanna try something different - the N5 looks like it could be a good choice.
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That it does. That's why I have been looking forward to it. The camera sticking out a bit also bugs me about the phone also. These two things are bugging me very much. With the time I get out of my Galaxy Nuxus battery on normal use, it might be fine for me for normal daily use. If I need to go out of town though, camping, or some where I just can't get to a charger, I'll have to hold on to my Galaxy Nexus to make sure I've got something I can stretch out for a couple of days.
The wireless recharging for the Nexus 5 is something that really caught my attention as a good thing. Being able to just sit my phone down on my desk when I get in and have it charge is awesome! The screen also looks very nice for slightly under 5 inches. Hopefully the announcement and launch kicks off today.
Who buys carrier branded crap phones with their ugly logos ... Nothing can beat a Nexus in Android world.
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Who buys carrier branded crap phones with their ugly logos ... Nothing can beat a Nexus in Android world.
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Amen brother! Been on the nexus line since the nexus one. Hell sometimes I still miss the trackball. Lol
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A non-removable battery might be a deal breaker for me. I like to be able to just swap batteries if needed. I sure hope it doesn't end up with a non-removable battery. I am not a fan of LG stuff in the first place and I avoided the Nexus 4 for various issues. With T-Mobile not announcing another Sidekick anytime soon, I need to upgrade. I don't like the physical home buttons on phones so that has kept me away from the S4 and other phones. My original Galaxy Nexus actually got damaged due to heavy rain I got caught in and I couldn't get another from my carrier. I ended up getting an S4 to trade my mother for her Galaxy Nexus.
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yeah me too about the battery thing. I like to have a removable batt so I can buy an extra and swap it if my other one drains. But I think powerbanks are also helpful for non-removable batteries as well. #confusing hahaha
The Nexus has always been a developer only phone. But as it is for the camera that megapixels don't matter, so it is for the battery that the mAh won't matter. We have previously seen that the phones with an extra large capacity battery yet not perform as per the expectations. Atleast Google doesn't stuff their phones with bloatware like Samsung. A Nexus always comes with a minimal OS coupled with a balanced hardware at an unrivalled price. A non-removable battery & no expandable memory have always been the let downs, yet 32GB is enough for me for storage & a battery lasting just over a day is well enough for me. Nexus ftw !
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LG G2 Google Play edition.
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+1 - love just been able to swap a fully charged battery. Extremely convenient... though from the leaks it looks very unlikely. Though I'm quite over my S4 atm and wanna try something different - the N5 looks like it could be a good choice.
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I'm currently on an OG Note, recently bought a new battery and I have little problems with it. I'm mainly bored with it now and the USB port has some problems (€10 to fix). Minor issues and I'm sure I could use the phone for another year without ever really being bothered by it. I don't play games, so I don't really need all that raw power the new devices have. I have been looking for a new device for some time, just to have a new gadget and all.
I work for HTC indirectly so I have a One lying around here that I can use, but I can't root it so I have no use for it. I can't get used to the new Sense and their strange softkey layout (though that's more the fault of developers that don't keep to the design guidelines of Android, than it is HTC's).
I also had the S4, which I liked overall, but I found it too expensive, it had useless functions which I didn't want to pay for. Especially since you lose a lot of them when you put a stock rom on it. It has an AMOLED screen which, after two years of the Note, I'm not very happy about (uniform colours are a pain, and it degrades too fast). And it looks just like any other Samsung device (and I'm bored now). - I did get hooked on the infrared functionality though. I miss that every day.
Then the Z1 came along, looked refreshing and the waterproof stuff is a giant pro. Useless camera, but the rest was pretty good. Unfortunately the screen dissapoints.
So now I'm waiting for the Nexus 5. Absolutely no useless functions. Just a good and powerfull device that can last for another two years. No screwing around with roms and stuff and a good price.
If it dissapoints, I might go for an S4 as they're now in the pricerange of the Nexus 5 or I'll stick to the Note for another year, to see if something better comes up.
If not the Nexus 5, I'd go for the Oppo N1.
With out of the box CyanogenMod, IPS 5.9 inch display, and top-notch camera optics and dual user-controllable flash.
I have (had) the S4 and sold it today. I was extremely dissapointed with it in just about every way, and with the addition of Knox locked bootloaders being sneaked in by Samdung, that iced the "sell it now" cake for me.
I'm actually back to using the SIII in the meantime, and even with piss-poor driver support, it runs CM very well.
my choise is between Nexus 4 or Nexus 5
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LG G2 Google Play edition.
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Actually, as far as the hardware goes, I am quite impressed with g2. That display seems so much larger than other phones of the same physical dimensions. Battery, processor, storage, etc. no limitations except no wireless charging. (except verizon version)
A play edition would be very tempting. Unfortunately it doesn't seem likely with the N5 being a somewhat close cousin. If the N5 had the exact same g2 hardware it would be a no-brainer for me even at a much higher cost.
I have a H959 version of the LG G Flex 2.
Some of the phones fly, some are very laggy.
Can anyone tell me how to differentiate by serial number what's good and what's bad?
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I have a H959 version of the LG G Flex 2.
Some of the phones fly, some are very laggy.
Can anyone tell me how to differentiate by serial number what's good and what's bad?
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Are you getting lag on H959 then?
I've registered on these forums as I was worried about this lag issue...
My model number is H955 and I'm experiencing serious lag...
Restarting appears to temporarily fix the problem.
very serious lag http://forum.xda-developers.com/g-flex2/general/lg-g-flex-2-lags-crazy-t3055041
They ALL lag.
The people who claim they don't are lying to justify dumping $700 on this phone.
Thank you, caysman, for speaking the truth. OEMs will never want to improve if all we have are people protecting their ego and arrogance. Just admit that you bought the wrong phone. Is that so difficult?
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They ALL lag.
The people who claim they don't are lying to justify dumping $700 on this phone.
Why are you such a d*ck? You haven't tried every phone. You don't know that they all lag. You probably don't even have one. Go back to your iphone. Stop calling everyone a liar!
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My first device was slow and had screen issues and didn't charge. Took it back to Sprint and the one im using now don't lag at all and if it did i would of taken it back to Sprint and got something else and the guy above saying people lying is full of sh=t . Every devices that comes out have good and bad units this ain't something new. My phone now is completely fine night and day difference from my first phone. Sprint give you 14 days to return or get something else im keeping mine it works fine. Stop trolling if you don't have the device stop the( i read on this or that website b.s )they don't even use the Sprint Version.
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They ALL lag.
The people who claim they don't are lying to justify dumping $700 on this phone.
Thank you, caysman, for speaking the truth. OEMs will never want to improve if all we have are people protecting their ego and arrogance. Just admit that you bought the wrong phone. Is that so difficult?
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Quit Trolling you're making yourself look really stupid buddy... Can someone please ban this troll..
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I just have to say we buy what we like. I bought this phone because I like the way it looks, feels, and works. I see some lag but have seen it in other phones. Most of the time it is the skin that is on top of the android software that causes this and once rooted and a different rom is put on there the lag goes away. That is just the way it is I do not understand why people complain about this phone just take it back and get something else and let us that do keep this phone enjoy it.
This is supposed to be the world's fastest phone. It lags like hell because of a defect. Manufacturers should be made aware of their buyers' complaint so that they prioritize a remedy.
This is not slight lag. It is a big **** lag, a very serious mistake or problem. It is something extraordinary not a slight performance issue.
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i think lg made the phone less powerfull to avoide the overheat problem form the snapdragon 810 loser like you are runnig on power saving mod
its the worst phone i have owned on years
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i think lg made the phone less powerfull to avoide the overheat problem form the snapdragon 810 loser like you are running on power saving mod
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This phone really sucks, i owned the flex 1 and even the screen was a **** (slow and grainy) and the camera soso, the speed, battery life and temperature were fine, i was happy with that phone. Then bought the flex2, the screen looks better same as the camera but is really lagging, no matter using the web browser or just checking the notification panel, very often gets slow, for charging i must use the supplied charger because if use a battery pack charge only at 490 mah, the battery life also sucks (compared to the flex1), also already took 2 times to warranty because a yellowish shade on the screen. I wont recommend buy this phone to anyone, LG really made a big mistake, Anyways afraid of buy anything with snapdragon 810 (maybe that is the main problem). I bought the Hong kong version
damn thie phone really sucks
Took my flex 2 back to sprint because of heat issuses and the screen died the 3rd day owning the phone. Since i was within my 14 days i turned it back in for a note 4 and can't be any happier. Stay away from this phone if your planning on spending money for it. I thought it was just my device but it's every flex 2 buy if you want but you been worn people are not lying this phone got issuses software can't help.
Dont know what you guys are doing wrong but it´s a nice phone.
Mine had a Display with an yellow spot Problem but it´s not so bad because I get a new one.
Everything else is fine except the lags but thats only a software Problem.
It was not overheating. The Benchmarks shows that this phone have a great Performance but the ui is not optimized.
Except the 2GB RAM it´s the best phone in My opinion because
- Flex Display (not everyone got that)
- newst CPU
- LG UI (i know it lags but it will be solved . LG gives you much more Options to customize than Samsung and HTC)
- Buttons on the back
There are HTC One M9, Samsung Galaxy S6 but except the S6 Edge there isnt anything much new where you would say that is the Money worth if you got a phone which is still good.
I got a note 3.
In 2 or 3 days I get a new one and then I will Report. If there are Issues which I didint see, I will Report.
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Dont know what you guys are doing wrong but it´s a nice phone.
Mine had a Display with an yellow spot Problem but it´s not so bad because I get a new one.
Everything else is fine except the lags but thats only a software Problem.
It was not overheating. The Benchmarks shows that this phone have a great Performance but the ui is not optimized.
Except the 2GB RAM it´s the best phone in My opinion because
- Flex Display (not everyone got that)
- newst CPU
- LG UI (i know it lags but it will be solved . LG gives you much more Options to customize than Samsung and HTC)
- Buttons on the back
There are HTC One M9, Samsung Galaxy S6 but except the S6 Edge there isnt anything much new where you would say that is the Money worth if you got a phone which is still good.
I got a note 3.
In 2 or 3 days I get a new one and then I will Report. If there are Issues which I didint see, I will Report.
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By lg update history you going to be waiting a great time for that update to fix those issues. The g4 will get all the updates the g flex 2 will be just like the og flex stuck on 4.1.1 hopefully the g4 rom can be ported to work on this phone. The lag didn't bother me just the heat issuses i know there's some good lg flex 2 without issues out there but the i had were bad ones . My first one ran fine no over heating or nothing then when i went to go to make a phone call and the screen was all blk and when i try to pull status bar down it was all kinda funky colors.
Got my update and mine is flying hehehe
Not sure what everyone is complaining about. I get a little stutter here and there but that has been the same thing with pretty much every Android phone I've owned that is not running vanilla Android on it. I have 0 complaints about this phone.
I think it's all about RAM size
I have serious issues when the phone is connected trhough 4G. The phones gets very laggy, and is hotter.
I got my new one since yesterday and now without any problem.
It lags less than before. Only little shutters sometimes but much better since the OTA update.
I like this phone
My first one had an yellow spot on the display. Except that there was only the lag problem but it was without the update.
Working in a phone shop I have noticed that the demo g flex 2 has a very different screen. There is no graininess, or greyish hue. And battery seems to be so much better. Left the demo video playing on full brightness on for 8 hours before it conked out. And seem to be getting much better benchmarking scores even though it is full of bloat ware.
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Well i have the Sprint flex 2 and the screen seems just as good as my g3. Idk why this phone is hated so much i love my flex 2 alot better than my nexus 6 i got rid of. Better specs and more software that utilizes the screen is a win in my book. People complain about to much gimmicks or bloat but ain't no way in hell i will ever touch a nexus device again. The nexus 6 has way more issues than this device but people enjoy it. So with that said if you don't like it don't buy it. This phone was not made for everyone, but for the people that it's made for they will find it more than adequate for daily use.
I had a Sprint flex 2. The screen was great. I had no problem at all with over heating. Battery was bad the first day, but after a reset, it was much better. Had some occasional lag, and hot spot wouldn't work. But I read all the bad reports on the forums, and returned it. Now I wish I had it back. I keep checking swappa for a used one at a good price. When I find one, I will be back on it.
It will only become more popular! I'm impressed with its specs (except ram) and considering an unlocked one for my T-Mobile usa.
Also, US Cellular will be getting it 3/26/15: http://www.androidauthority.com/us-cellular-g-flex-2-march-26-596394/
Apparently... there are batches of s%itty phones and batches of good ones. I'm the lucky one with a good one. The software is clearly not fully optimized hence the (in my case) occasional lag.
I think the thermal throttling is set to be too safe, but on the other hand... considering how some phones heat up, it's quite understandable. I wish I could change the throttling settings because mine doesn't heat up AT ALL. I was running Antutu and Geekbench about 7 times back to back. It just got kinda warm. The only time I noticed it getting warm-er was when I did the factory reset and was downloading all (68) apps over 4G with one bar. So I believe it was the radio what contributed to the increased temperature.
Btw, I found that Geekbench is the only benchmark (I tried) that drops score significantly at the third run. With Antutu I found, the drop isn't that significant even after 5 runs back to back.
Edit: Actually, I take that back. Antutu drops about 8000 points (from 53000 to 45000) the third run (64bit mode)
But as with everything and this phone especially, YMMV.
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I had a Sprint flex 2. The screen was great. I had no problem at all with over heating. Battery was bad the first day, but after a reset, it was much better. Had some occasional lag, and hot spot wouldn't work. But I read all the bad reports on the forums, and returned it. Now I wish I had it back. I keep checking swappa for a used one at a good price. When I find one, I will be back on it.
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Same here. Swapped it over twice and then got a note edge. Since then have got another g flex which so far has been suprisingly good.
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I also have a Demo unit which was supplied by LG and Sprint and I find it runs quite well except that there is no Wi-Fi Calling. Everytime I try to enable wi-fi calling, it goes into Device Self Service and tries to load something then gives a me a network error message to call customer service. Everything else works fine.
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So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
Thoughts?
dimex said:
So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
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There are no guarantees but I am happy with my choice. I use the us model which has 3 GB of ram. Never even had one stutter. It also does not get very warm like my nexus 6 did. The only downfall I have is being on at&t I will likely never see an update.
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Well, here it goes..
First of all, I have H955 version ( 16gb/2gb).
A couple of days ago , I read that a 5.1.1 update is starting to roll out, which is pretty great, taking the fact that many MANY other devices are still on 4.4 and 5.0. That said, a user that got the update , said that now we have an option for OEM unlock, which is a step closer for getting custom roms ( at least, I think ). Also, update also brings some under the hood optimizations , such is less buggy home and lower temperature while using the phone.
Now, my opinions with the current 5.0.1 - and you have to believe me on this - I have no lags. At all. Those slow downs are just not there - luncher gets reset sometimes after using chrome, and the phone gets hotter when using it for a long period of time, but other than that.. Phone works awesome, apps open instantly, launcher is not buggy etc..
Next the heating issue - it is only there when I play games, browse in chrome for some time (although, sometimes faster , after 2,3 minutes of browsing - dont know why).
The screen - this is very IMPORTANT . Some users, like me, have yellow spots on display when there is a grey background - only visible on that and maybe some greyish bcgrnds AND with brightness turned to 0%.. A say this is important because it can be annoying from time to time - IF YOU CAN SEE IT! Some users have no such issue (if it is an issue). It is a part of production process etc etc etc.
To summarize - I like my g flex 2 . You can see that from all the above. It is great looking, fast phone with great camera. What else is there not to like? It is a personal preference though. There are many great phones out there, like the upcoming LG G4, SG Note 4, HTC OneM9 and many other phones. If you ask me , I would always choose flex 2, and with the upcoming 5.1 android (I cant wait for it) it is a win. I am aware that many users are reporting lags and issues with the phone but I dont have them.
Take your time. Take in consideration , for example , new LG G4. Talk to someone else who has this phone. But in the end, dont let someone convince you in to buying any phone - you will be using it, and you will have to live with its pros and cons. Big text, I know, live long and prosper.
And I think the same way. Is it possible that the G Flex 2 so bad? I have a G3 with CM based rom and I am very pleased with it. But the design of the G Flex 2 like very much. Weak development support for it worries me and if so I'll probably have to skip it.
dimex said:
So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
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If you can, i suggest that you wait 2-3 months. Not only for price drop but to see how the other 810 phones settle down. If you read reviews of other810 phones and check their performance all seem to suffer fron the same problems. For example xiaomi mi note pro, nubia z9,htc m9, even oneplus 2. If you like big dev community oneplus 2 is your choise.
I personally bought flex2 because we had in greece a big discount for only one day 300euro unlocked. If i had missed the discount i would have waited 2-3 months
dimex said:
So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
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For me this is my 6th phone in one year so I can compare pretty good.
I must say it is not a bad phone. Have some lag here and there but it is manageable. It is not that smooth as an oneplus one for instance.
The heating is there, don't expect to play games for long, as the heating eats the battery.
General Battery performance is ok, I have there no complaints.
I also like the camera it is one of the best I used so far.
I think this is a solid phone but the standard price is just to high. If you pay the full price I would not go for the Flex. For that money you are better of with a more standard phone like the G4. It is more reliable and will get more attention during the years.
I got my for 400USD, for that I think it is okay, but still not that good value as an oneplus one.
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I really love mine although I had my problems with it at first. Mine had a tendency to thermal throttle fairly easily but even then it was quite fast and smooth. After adding a copper shim and modifying the thermal configuration file I like it a lot more. Although it wasn't slow before it's now even smoother and faster. I have the AT&T 3GB version which seems to not suffer from the kind of lag the 2GB version initially had. I'm also really impressed at how many apps I can open without them closing in the background. Battery life is about the same as my Galaxy S4 with a 3000mah battery. It really depends on what you do. It has great standby time but if you push it really hard like a complex 3d game it may not be so great. On normal use I get about 4 to 5 hours of on screen time. Mine also came with light yellowish tint that really wasn't very obvious unless I had a white or grey background. I still asked AT&T for a replacement and the new one came with a much even toned display and no more yellow.
dimex said:
So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
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Best thing to do is wait a bit if you can, just to see if development picks up.
Thanks everyone for your feedback. Ya, this phone interested me for some reason.
I'll keep checking back.
My 50 cent's
G3 is a little smaller with same screen size, a lot better resolution (i can see pixels on G Flex2 from close distance) on a nearly half the price, so it is up to You
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G3 is looking better (but this is personal teist)
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I have G3 and from 2 days is using Flex2
I love the Flex 2. it's a great phone. i am using it since release in Germany and in the first two weeks it gets very fast very hot, but since an update everything is fine. Great battery life, a lot of Power. But if i can change it, i would pick the 3GB RAM model
I dont have the phone either so im in the same boat as you. I would wait for the g4 to come out not just because its going to be an amazing phone. But if lg is using some unlockable bootloader they will probably use it on the g4 as well and if that happens it will get unlocked much faster since its a flag ship. With any luck then that can be applied to the g flex and cm for all.
TheAxiks said:
I love the Flex 2. it's a great phone. i am using it since release in Germany and in the first two weeks it gets very fast very hot, but since an update everything is fine. Great battery life, a lot of Power. But if i can change it, i would pick the 3GB RAM model
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I also have the 2gb ddr4 version. The 3gb version has ddr3 or ddr4?
kutulu32 said:
I also have the 2gb ddr4 version. The 3gb version has ddr3 or ddr4?
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I didn't think the Snapdragon 810 could use anything but DDR4. Honestly I don't think there's a way to tell but considering how much the 3GB version costs as well I would assume it does have DDR4.
you are probably right! I just couldn't confirm it 100% the reason that the difference doesn't show up in benchmarks maybe be fault in memory controller. lol
I got a really good price for the phone so I'm biased. That being said I did go for the phone because of the design itself and it's not a choice that I regret.
For the first couple of days having the phone I did experience the overheating issue. I tend to back up my devices and reset them often and in this case I found that a full factory restore solved the overheating issue.
As for the lag it's noticeable from time to time if you have multiple things going on at once like playing a game while downloading files while streaming music.
As stated earlier with the g4 right around the corner I was certainly wait and see how that one pans out giving its going to have that much better of a system on the inside, and possibly the ability to use custom roms, which I do miss.
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I had the LS996 (32GB/2GB) version of G Flex 2. It is freakin terrible. If I wasn't so busy this past month, I would've traded it in. It was so bad that I spent a hundred dollars and got a GS5. Even after the ZV5 update and the thermal and hotplug mods I've made, it still over heated, froze, and lagged... I called it quits when I started having to do a force shut down (holding the power button until the phone turns off).
I have the 32GB / 2GB model. In my experience, the screen is a little grainy, but I'm fine with it. With the latest 10d update, the phone is a lot cooler, although it will still thermal throttle after some usage. Performance is a lot better as well, but it still can be improved. It continues to freeze in Chrome, so I use the stock web browser that comes with it. When the phone is hot, browsing through menus becomes sluggish and slow, something I really hope they will fix. Battery life is okay, but when you start playing games, or do any processor intensive stuff, it becomes real bad. (Probably the Snapdragon 810's fault) Camera photos are a little washed out, not as sharp as other phone cameras out there, but it produces very vibrant colours. Focusing is a little slow at times, laser focus not working too well, especially up close to an object. The self-healing back isn't doing a very good job. Just being in my pocket (with nothing else) and placing the phone on some tables, it has collected up many scratches. Screen brightness doesn't go very low, so I use an app called Lux to take care of that.
The Dual Window feature is limited to certain apps, unlike Samsung's Multi-Window, but at least it's there. QSlide is useless for me, and so is Quick Memo. Knockcode, on the other hand, is nice to have, very convenient to unlock the phone with one hand. But if you happen to use face unlock, it might interfere with knock code, and you might end up just locking the phone by using the double tap feature, since the phone unlocks when you are still knocking the code.
It's still running Android 5.0.1, so I hope all of this can change with the 5.1 update or when Android M gets released in the future.
I got this phone, because I wanted to try something new. It's a curved screen that can bend, of course it would catch my eye. Even hearing about all the overheating problems, I decided to invest in this two years journey with this phone. Overall, I regretted, an S6 is a better choice in my opinion, it runs a lot better. But if you are all-in for the curved screen, I suggest you wait a while more to see how this phone performs in future updates.
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I have the 32GB / 2GB model. In my experience, the screen is a little grainy, but I'm fine with it. With the latest 10d update, the phone is a lot cooler, although it will still thermal throttle after some usage. Performance is a lot better as well, but it still can be improved. It continues to freeze in Chrome, so I use the stock web browser that comes with it. When the phone is hot, browsing through menus becomes sluggish and slow, something I really hope they will fix. Battery life is okay, but when you start playing games, or do any processor intensive stuff, it becomes real bad. (Probably the Snapdragon 810's fault) Camera photos are a little washed out, not as sharp as other phone cameras out there, but it produces very vibrant colours. Focusing is a little slow at times, laser focus not working too well, especially up close to an object. The self-healing back isn't doing a very good job. Just being in my pocket (with nothing else) and placing the phone on some tables, it has collected up many scratches. Screen brightness doesn't go very low, so I use an app called Lux to take care of that.
The Dual Window feature is limited to certain apps, unlike Samsung's Multi-Window, but at least it's there. QSlide is useless for me, and so is Quick Memo. Knockcode, on the other hand, is nice to have, very convenient to unlock the phone with one hand. But if you happen to use face unlock, it might interfere with knock code, and you might end up just locking the phone by using the double tap feature, since the phone unlocks when you are still knocking the code.
It's still running Android 5.0.1, so I hope all of this can change with the 5.1 update or when Android M gets released in the future.
I got this phone, because I wanted to try something new. It's a curved screen that can bend, of course it would catch my eye. Even hearing about all the overheating problems, I decided to invest in this two years journey with this phone. Overall, I regretted, an S6 is a better choice in my opinion, it runs a lot better. But if you are all-in for the curved screen, I suggest you wait a while more to see how this phone performs in future updates.
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For the dual window there is a mod if you check the android developement thread. It needs editing build. prop. It works ok as far as i experienced.
kutulu32 said:
For the dual window there is a mod if you check the android developement thread. It needs editing build. prop. It works ok as far as i experienced.
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Yeah, was using it until the 10d update. There seems to be a problem during the rooting process after the update, so I can't use the mod now.
I've always had an android phone. My love relationship with them started with Verizon and the Moto Droid. Needless to say flashing roms and rooting phones is part of the reason I but phones.
I'm not a big fan of the progressive size increase in cell phones, but I owned a fee large phones. My wife got and iphone 6 dividing our house a few months ago and while I would not get an iPhone, I marvelled at how is was small and manageable. Yet able to perform any task and take great pictures.
So I sold MY white LG g3 to get a blue 64gb S6. I rooted it immediately and it was quite impressive. It offered all of the things I like about the iPhone 6 and a great fingerprint scanner. I have two young boys and a selfish obsessed wife and the cameras on this phone are great. So great my wife takes pictures with my phone when we are out.
One day I decide I want a white S6. So I purchased one on Swappa.com and sold mine there as well. I confirmed that it still had a root able version of lollipop, but when I get the phone the seller upgraded the phone the day he shipped it. So I tried to rock with the unrootable S6 checking everyday to see if OF1 version of lollipop had been rooted. I hated the phone. For anyone that is stuck with a S6 on stock OF1, I understand your pain. In my opinion Samsung is losing money because of restrictions on the stock version of this phone. So I'm currently selling that phone on Swappa.com for reasonable price.
I went and purchased a gold 64gb S6 and it came rooted and the feel if the phone is night and day. The speed it just how I remember the phone a drunken my battery life is sick. With stock OF1 I would only average 11-14 hours with maybe 2-3 hours of screen time. This is my first day with the rooted s6 and I'm currently at 11 hours and 2 hours of screen time with a few restarts to flash different themed items and I still have over 40% of battery life left.
My recommendation is that of you love the form factor of this phone and everything else it has to offer and you are stuck on OF1 version of lollipop, sell your phone to get a root able version of the s6. You will practically break even with the swap.
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Bxrider117 said:
I've always had an android phone. My love relationship with them started with Verizon and the Moto Droid. Needless to say flashing roms and rooting phones is part of the reason I but phones.
I'm not a big fan of the progressive size increase in cell phones, but I owned a fee large phones. My wife got and iphone 6 dividing our house a few months ago and while I would not get an iPhone, I marvelled at how is was small and manageable. Yet able to perform any task and take great pictures.
So I sold MY white LG g3 to get a blue 64gb S6. I rooted it immediately and it was quite impressive. It offered all of the things I like about the iPhone 6 and a great fingerprint scanner. I have two young boys and a selfish obsessed wife and the cameras on this phone are great. So great my wife takes pictures with my phone when we are out.
One day I decide I want a white S6. So I purchased one on Swappa.com and sold mine there as well. I confirmed that it still had a root able version of lollipop, but when I get the phone the seller upgraded the phone the day he shipped it. So I tried to rock with the unrootable S6 checking everyday to see if OF1 version of lollipop had been rooted. I hated the phone. For anyone that is stuck with a S6 on stock OF1, I understand your pain. In my opinion Samsung is losing money because of restrictions on the stock version of this phone. So I'm currently selling that phone on Swappa.com for reasonable price.
I went and purchased a gold 64gb S6 and it came rooted and the feel if the phone is night and day. The speed it just how I remember the phone a drunken my battery life is sick. With stock OF1 I would only average 11-14 hours with maybe 2-3 hours of screen time. This is my first day with the rooted s6 and I'm currently at 11 hours and 2 hours of screen time with a few restarts to flash different themed items and I still have over 40% of battery life left.
My recommendation is that of you love the form factor of this phone and everything else it has to offer and you are stuck on OF1 version of lollipop, sell your phone to get a root able version of the s6. You will practically break even with the swap.
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I've been thinking of selling my rooted S6 so I can leave Verizon. I didn't see any other White 64GB S6s that were rooted on Swappa so I wonder if there's a decent demand.
I love almost e everything about the phone and it is rooted the biggest main issue i have is it lags alot for me. Yes i have a decent amount of apps but my m8 is set up exactly the same and it doesn't lag at all even with just 2 gigs of ram. And my other issues which this is mainly because of verizon is development is almost not there. I am grateful for the roms we do have but it still takes away from the phone for me somewhat.
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I HATE my s6. The cell reception is fine, I'm lucky enough to be rooted as well, but this thing is junk IMO. Don't get me wrong, the camera is ok and it was the primary reason to get this phone. I use it daily for pictures and it performs pretty well actually. The fingerprint reader works pretty fast most of the time as well, but I would absolutely 100% not buy this phone again or recommend it to anyone else. Even during pictures this thing is hot and battery life is unimpressive. Yes wireless charging is included, but once again super hot while charging as well.
Battery life got much better after root and the screen is amazing, but I'm jumping ship here in a few months, I actually consider it a downgrade from my LG G2 except for the camera
I miss my HTC ONE M8. Totally rootable, totally customizable. Love the specs on the S6, but Verizon is making a huge mistake locking their phones down. It's the antithesis of Android, Linux, and open source in general.
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dispozable said:
I HATE my s6. The cell reception is fine, I'm lucky enough to be rooted as well, but this thing is junk IMO. Don't get me wrong, the camera is ok and it was the primary reason to get this phone. I use it daily for pictures and it performs pretty well actually. The fingerprint reader works pretty fast most of the time as well, but I would absolutely 100% not buy this phone again or recommend it to anyone else. Even during pictures this thing is hot and battery life is unimpressive. Yes wireless charging is included, but once again super hot while charging as well.
Battery life got much better after root and the screen is amazing, but I'm jumping ship here in a few months, I actually consider it a downgrade from my LG G2 except for the camera
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Lol wat? You absolutely hate the phone because it gets hot? That's like the only negative thing you said
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Lol wat? You absolutely hate the phone because it gets hot? That's like the only negative thing you said
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Yea I guess I should of clarified on that one, it was a long day
-The lack of a removable battery is a killer. My battery drain is pretty serious and needs charging throughout the day. Eventually I will need to swap that battery....
-My two S6s have both lagged from day 1. Removing bloatware helped but still laggy. Have to clear our app caches once a week or so.
-The camera lens is elevated from the back of the phone and makes it not lay flat well. Not a biggie, but annoying.
-Touchwiz.... I hoped we would have CM by now or something close but its a big setback.
Most of the other issues I have are software related and would be fine when/if we can unlock the bootloader. I've come to learn over the years that a waterproof phone is a big advantage here in Florida too, my gf's old S5 was actually just used during the last flood we had and was great. I guess I agree with the OP, it is a love/hate, just mine is more hate than love.
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Yea I guess I should of clarified on that one, it was a long day
-The lack of a removable battery is a killer. My battery drain is pretty serious and needs charging throughout the day. Eventually I will need to swap that battery....
-My two S6s have both lagged from day 1. Removing bloatware helped but still laggy. Have to clear our app caches once a week or so.
-The camera lens is elevated from the back of the phone and makes it not lay flat well. Not a biggie, but annoying.
-Touchwiz.... I hoped we would have CM by now or something close but its a big setback.
Most of the other issues I have are software related and would be fine when/if we can unlock the bootloader. I've come to learn over the years that a waterproof phone is a big advantage here in Florida too, my gf's old S5 was actually just used during the last flood we had and was great. I guess I agree with the OP, it is a love/hate, just mine is more hate than love.
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I agree with the camera lens. I like cases but hate that I need a case to protect that.
My battery gets me through and average day. But that is always a user experience. I can see how it wouldn't be enough for many users.
I've never hated it but there are days where I am less impressed than others. Where TouchWiz shows its ugly side. Hopefully whenever you get next works out better for you
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Yea I guess I should of clarified on that one, it was a long day
-The lack of a removable battery is a killer. My battery drain is pretty serious and needs charging throughout the day. Eventually I will need to swap that battery....
-My two S6s have both lagged from day 1. Removing bloatware helped but still laggy. Have to clear our app caches once a week or so.
-The camera lens is elevated from the back of the phone and makes it not lay flat well. Not a biggie, but annoying.
-Touchwiz.... I hoped we would have CM by now or something close but its a big setback.
Most of the other issues I have are software related and would be fine when/if we can unlock the bootloader. I've come to learn over the years that a waterproof phone is a big advantage here in Florida too, my gf's old S5 was actually just used during the last flood we had and was great. I guess I agree with the OP, it is a love/hate, just mine is more hate than love.
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Get a battery case. It's the only way.
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Yea it seems so I'm only stuck with it for a few more months and the gf and I are both bailing. Its a shame too because these phones are damn sexy too lol. Right now I'm stocked up on wireless chargers and have them strategically placed around work and home and it seems to be working out ok. Its not too terrible since there are no plugs to charge.
Came from a rooted s4 with xposed to the g6 and I feel lost. The g6 gets good battery life and works just fine but I am having major Bluetooth issues between that and sync for my car that I never had with the s4. I will do better research before making my next purchase. I don't care how good the camera is etc... If the boot loader is locked down I will purchase a different phone. Not everyone wants to use samsungs bloat ware. Also if I want to turn the volume up and blow my ear drums out I don't need a visible warning to appear telling me I might do that....I can hear just fine Samsung....
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Get a battery case. It's the only way.
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Came from a rooted s4 with xposed to the g6 and I feel lost. The g6 gets good battery life and works just fine but I am having major Bluetooth issues between that and sync for my car that I never had with the s4. I will do better research before making my next purchase. I don't care how good the camera is etc... If the boot loader is locked down I will purchase a different phone. Not everyone wants to use samsungs bloat ware. Also if I want to turn the volume up and blow my ear drums out I don't need a visible warning to appear telling me I might do that....I can hear just fine Samsung....
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I'm pretty sure the BT is a known issue. Does anyone know if the update fixes that? I know I cant get more than 5m or so from my phone before it cuts out. I used to get almost double that with my G2. I agree with you on the headphones warning too lol. Almost as bad is the Verizon crap it tries to install each time you hook it up to a computer. I flashed the fix but it sure was annoying waiting on root first. Guess we can blame V for the bloatware too.