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[Q] unlock bootloader or downgrading system under 9.18.79.XT926

I have motorola Razr Maxx HD... recently I updated system to 9.18.79. However, today i saw cyanogenmod 10.2 version roll out and I really want to try 4.3 version since I have been stuck on 4.1 for almost a year. Unfortunately, when I try using motopocalypse to unlock bootloader, it keeps failing. Than I was thinking maybe I can downgrading back to the old version than unlock bootloader but on the website it says DO NOT USE THIS UTILITY ON THE LATEST 4.1.2 OTA UPDATE. I guess 9.18.79 is the newest OTA version. Therefore, I was wondering if there is anyway that i can unlock bootloader under 9.18.79 or downgrade whole system to lower version. So I can install cyanogenmod 10.2
Thank you

You're out of luck, sorry. There's no way to unlock after taking the newest OTA.

I believe that the correct answers to your questions about your recently updated Razr Maxx HD are -- NO, at this time there is no way to unlock the bootloader if you've installed the 9.18.79 update, YES, you can still root your phone. YES, you can downgrade your phone to 9.16.6 (but you still won't be able to unlock your bootloader after doing so). I have a Maxx HD with exactly this set of circumstances. The phone was running 9.18.79 when I got it. After having no luck unlocking the bootloader (as expected) I was able to root it using a method I found in this forum, then installed SafeStrap, then installed a couple of older stock kernel-based custom ROMs. It's certainly not as good as before the update but I'm rooted, all my apps run and I'm rid of all the Verizon bloatware. Not perfect but not bad.

lesdense said:
I believe that the correct answers to your questions about your recently updated Razr Maxx HD are -- NO, at this time there is no way to unlock the bootloader if you've installed the 9.18.79 update, YES, you can still root your phone. YES, you can downgrade your phone to 9.16.6 (but you still won't be able to unlock your bootloader after doing so). I have a Maxx HD with exactly this set of circumstances. The phone was running 9.18.79 when I got it. After having no luck unlocking the bootloader (as expected) I was able to root it using a method I found in this forum, then installed SafeStrap, then installed a couple of older stock kernel-based custom ROMs. It's certainly not as good as before the update but I'm rooted, all my apps run and I'm rid of all the Verizon bloatware. Not perfect but not bad.
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Thank you for the reply...yeah i am able to root my phone...but performance is still under my expectation...Just really want to try out of 4.3 because it seem to have much better optimize. Thank you for all the information..

jackforever said:
Thank you for the reply...yeah i am able to root my phone...but performance is still under my expectation...Just really want to try out of 4.3 because it seem to have much better optimize. Thank you for all the information..
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Well that's why you never take updates without knowing for sure you can still use tools. Lesson learned.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX

deeje00 said:
Well that's why you never take updates without knowing for sure you can still use tools. Lesson learned.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX
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I'm in the same boat, I have one question. Does anyone use the Motorola way to unlock bootloader? I found the website to unlock, wondered why that isn't an option.

It's for developer editions only.
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Thanks for answering these questions. Who and how close are they to unlocking it? Do you see it happening soon?

dudewithspots said:
Thanks for answering these questions. Who and how close are they to unlocking it? Do you see it happening soon?
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I don't think anyone is working on this. The guy who came up with the exploit to unlock the bootloader in the first place said immediately after releasing it that he isn't touching Motorola devices' bootloaders anymore because they have become so difficult to crack. The update in the 9.16 OTA patched a pretty big security hole in the basic Android framework. That was a good thing because it prevents thieves from hacking your phone (hopefully) but it also took away a lot of our "freedom" with these devices, unfortunately.
Basically the process of finding a way to unlock the bootloaders is extremely difficult and not a rewarding enough venture for anyone to bother with right now. Don't hold your breath for a bootloader unlock anytime soon (likely never). If you've updated to 9.16 (I'm with you here, after replacing a bootloader unlocked, rooted and running CM10.1 phone with a cracked screen through insurance and receiving a replacement with an un-unlockable bootloader out of the box) kiss your ROMing dreams goodbye. The best you can do with the phone now is root it, install SafeStrap and run ROMs based off the stock kernel.
My advice to any and all willing to listen:
Get away from Verizon as fast as you can. They are making sure their phones release now-a-days with un-unlockable bootloaders. The upcoming Droid Ultra, Maxx, and Mini as well as the Moto X will all be locked down with no hope of unlocking their bootloaders on Verizon. The ATT Moto X will also not have an unlockable bootloader.
The best carrier for devs and flash hounds will be T-Mobile from here on out as they are marketing to people with their own devices and not locking down the software the way the big V is.
This really sucks because my favorite thing about my Razr HD Maxx is the battery, and the only thing close to or better as far as battery size/life coming out is the new Droid Maxx. With out being abkle to install a custom ROM, though I feel like I'm using an iPhone. But a good alternative may be an S4 on T-Mobs with an extended battery (thanks to Samsungs removable batteries) or charging case or something like that.

You are a wealth of information, thank you!
Would I be able to install any rom with safestrap? and then I would just be stuck with current kernal? Or does the rom have to be special in some way? I want to get the CyanogenMod 10.3 version. Thoughts? If I can't, what would be the best option as far as stock kernal rom?

swboland said:
I don't think anyone is working on this. The guy who came up with the exploit to unlock the bootloader in the first place said immediately after releasing it that he isn't touching Motorola devices' bootloaders anymore because they have become so difficult to crack. The update in the 9.16 OTA patched a pretty big security hole in the basic Android framework. That was a good thing because it prevents thieves from hacking your phone (hopefully) but it also took away a lot of our "freedom" with these devices, unfortunately.
Basically the process of finding a way to unlock the bootloaders is extremely difficult and not a rewarding enough venture for anyone to bother with right now. Don't hold your breath for a bootloader unlock anytime soon (likely never). If you've updated to 9.16 (I'm with you here, after replacing a bootloader unlocked, rooted and running CM10.1 phone with a cracked screen through insurance and receiving a replacement with an un-unlockable bootloader out of the box) kiss your ROMing dreams goodbye. The best you can do with the phone now is root it, install SafeStrap and run ROMs based off the stock kernel.
My advice to any and all willing to listen:
Get away from Verizon as fast as you can. They are making sure their phones release now-a-days with un-unlockable bootloaders. The upcoming Droid Ultra, Maxx, and Mini as well as the Moto X will all be locked down with no hope of unlocking their bootloaders on Verizon. The ATT Moto X will also not have an unlockable bootloader.
The best carrier for devs and flash hounds will be T-Mobile from here on out as they are marketing to people with their own devices and not locking down the software the way the big V is.
This really sucks because my favorite thing about my Razr HD Maxx is the battery, and the only thing close to or better as far as battery size/life coming out is the new Droid Maxx. With out being abkle to install a custom ROM, though I feel like I'm using an iPhone. But a good alternative may be an S4 on T-Mobs with an extended battery (thanks to Samsungs removable batteries) or charging case or something like that.
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Hey man, So I have SafeStrap but I am having a hard time finding roms that will work with safestrap. do you know of any?

dudewithspots said:
You are a wealth of information, thank you!
Would I be able to install any rom with safestrap? and then I would just be stuck with current kernal? Or does the rom have to be special in some way? I want to get the CyanogenMod 10.3 version. Thoughts? If I can't, what would be the best option as far as stock kernal rom?
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None of the new roms only roms based on stock. Your gonna have to dig to roms started before April.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX

no exciting news about the current version of unlock still?

The new one probably won't be unlocked.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX

I unfortunately upgraded to 9.18.79 a while back and now that i'd like to unlock the bootloader, I can't.
However, I do have best buy insurance, assuming my screen is broken, I can get the device replaced with a refurbished unit. What are the odds the refurbished unit has not been updated to a version that cannot be unlocked?
thanks

ajent said:
I unfortunately upgraded to 9.18.79 a while back and now that i'd like to unlock the bootloader, I can't.
However, I do have best buy insurance, assuming my screen is broken, I can get the device replaced with a refurbished unit. What are the odds the refurbished unit has not been updated to a version that cannot be unlocked?
thanks
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The odds are getting slimmer and slimmer as the days go on, but I have still seen a few people get replacements that have not been updated.

Moto Noob Here - Used To HTC Phones

Hey Guys! So I'm coming from a HTC Incredible, Incredible 2, Rezound, and One and now here I am with a new Droid Maxx and I'm trying to figure out just what I need to do in order to root his badboy and get all this crap that Verizon put on it off. I'm looking around and I'm seeing a few different threads about rooting but not to much about custom roms. What I'd be looking to accomplish is either 4.2 or 4.4, don't care to much which one but I want all this bloat gone as well as the ability to do a WiFi tether without giving Verizon even more money per month like I used to do on my HTC devices. Thanks in advance peeps!

AlmostTactful said:
Hey Guys! So I'm coming from a HTC Incredible, Incredible 2, Rezound, and One and now here I am with a new Droid Maxx and I'm trying to figure out just what I need to do in order to root his badboy and get all this crap that Verizon put on it off. I'm looking around and I'm seeing a few different threads about rooting but not to much about custom roms. What I'd be looking to accomplish is either 4.2 or 4.4, don't care to much which one but I want all this bloat gone as well as the ability to do a WiFi tether without giving Verizon even more money per month like I used to do on my HTC devices. Thanks in advance peeps!
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rooting depends on whether you are still on JellyBean 4.2.2 or not. If so make sure your system version is 12.15.15 then head on over to the original development section and use RockMyMoto to get root. Check out the SlapMyMoto thread too and use MotoWpNoMo to turn write protection off permanently. If you're already on Kit Kat then you're out of luck for the time being as there is no direct root for KK and no way to downgrade to 4.2.2 to get root.
As for custom ROMs... there aren't any and you'll have to use TiBu to debloat your phone. Other than that welcome to the Maxx.

BladeRunner said:
rooting depends on whether you are still on JellyBean 4.2.2 or not. If so make sure your system version is 12.15.15 then head on over to the original development section and use RockMyMoto to get root. Check out the SlapMyMoto thread too and use MotoWpNoMo to turn write protection off permanently. If you're already on Kit Kat then you're out of luck for the time being as there is no direct root for KK and no way to downgrade to 4.2.2 to get root.
As for custom ROMs... there aren't any and you'll have to use TiBu to debloat your phone. Other than that welcome to the Maxx.
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Thanks so much for the information! I am still on 4.2.2 and I just checked my version and it is in fact 12.15.15. I'll check out those threads and get all this crap off my phone lol. Once I do this, if we get an OTA 4.4 will I still be able to upgrade?
Side question, why the lack of ROMS? Is the phone not mod friendly? I remember having an HTC it seemed like I had a TON of ROM choices.

AlmostTactful said:
Thanks so much for the information! I am still on 4.2.2 and I just checked my version and it is in fact 12.15.15. I'll check out those threads and get all this crap off my phone lol. Once I do this, if we get an OTA 4.4 will I still be able to upgrade?
Side question, why the lack of ROMS? Is the phone not mod friendly? I remember having an HTC it seemed like I had a TON of ROM choices.
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You'll still be able to upgrade. It just takes jumping through a few hoops to keep root after the upgrade.
Moto kind of pushed the Moto X more than the Maxx/Ultra since it is multi-carrier so more people have the X and hence, more development. The lack of an unlocked bootloader has really hurt the VZW droids.

Awesome, the phone is incredible so I'll be happy with just ditching the bloat...none of the HTCs that I had come close to this as far as battery life is concerned...not even when I put an extended battery on them. Needless to say I'm super happy with the phone
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BladeRunner said:
You'll still be able to upgrade. It just takes jumping through a few hoops to keep root after the upgrade.
Moto kind of pushed the Moto X more than the Maxx/Ultra since it is multi-carrier so more people have the X and hence, more development. The lack of an unlocked bootloader has really hurt the VZW droids.
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Sorry to hijack, but you are answering something right along the lines of what I've been searching for. I've done all OTA updates, and I'm showing Android 4.2.2. I'm then showing 12.15.15.obake_maxx_version for system. I'm guessing then that kitkat was only something a person could forcefully update towards. As in it's not yet available via an OTA?

Hey, so KK was only available for a short time before VZ pulled the update due to issues. You can still get it here by jumping through some hoops, and you can get it while retaining root by jumping through flaming hoops with 3 suicidal midgets strapped to your back. That being said the root process is a bit lengthy, compared to an HTC device, but was super simple with the amount of instruction given by our devs
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root on locked bootloader KITKAT in DROID RAZR MAXX HD? ?

have any one with root on latest kitkat with locked bootloader in MOTO DROID RAZR MAXX HD?

sachi9121 said:
have any one with root on latest kitkat with locked bootloader in MOTO DROID RAZR MAXX HD?
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No, Its currently not possible, and it isn't very likely that a way will be found.

TXKSSnapper said:
No, Its currently not possible, and it isn't very likely that a way will be found.
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Why is EVERYONE so quick to shoot down the fact this cannot be rooted. Is anyone trying?

Kin Kira said:
Why is EVERYONE so quick to shoot down the fact this cannot be rooted. Is anyone trying?
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if you were as fast at reading a few post in the General forum on this exact topic, as you are at posting about it here. you would already know, this has been gone over extensively, by people who know what they are doing. you would also know, that every option suggested has been thoroughly explored and tested. you would also know, that as far as anyone is aware, no one is publicly working on a solution, as this phone is past its prime and most if not all of the people capable of finding an exploit are not willing to spend time finding one.
had you read for 5 minutes before posting, you would already know this, #Just-Sayin

TXKSSnapper said:
No, Its currently not possible, and it isn't very likely that a way will be found.
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bweN diorD said:
if you were as fast at reading a few post in the General forum on this exact topic, as you are at posting about it here. you would already know, this has been gone over extensively, by people who know what they are doing. you would also know, that every option suggested has been thoroughly explored and tested. you would also know, that as far as anyone is aware, no one is publicly working on a solution, as this phone is past its prime and most if not all of the people capable of finding an exploit are not willing to spend time finding one.
had you read for 5 minutes before posting, you would already know this, #Just-Sayin
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There's phones well over a year and a half old still being played with. I'm simply shocked this isn't.

Kin Kira said:
There's phones well over a year and a half old still being played with. I'm simply shocked this isn't.
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last i checked the s5 kitkat root bounty was over $17,000, and thats a new phone.
that should tell you something about how hard it is on kk.

bweN diorD said:
last i checked the s5 kitkat root bounty was over $17,000, and thats a new phone.
that should tell you something about how hard it is on kk.
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Oh damn. It's KitKat that's the issue than? I'm out of the loop it seems. I was under the assumption it was the phone itself people couldn't root. It's KitKat that's causing the issue. Okay. Hmm, I wonder if there's any root methods for 4.4.2 yet....

Kin Kira said:
Why is EVERYONE so quick to shoot down the fact this cannot be rooted. Is anyone trying?
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Yes, attempts have been made. Alas, without any success. See here. And this is the thread for it.

Kin Kira said:
Oh damn. It's KitKat that's the issue than? I'm out of the loop it seems. I was under the assumption it was the phone itself people couldn't root. It's KitKat that's causing the issue. Okay. Hmm, I wonder if there's any root methods for 4.4.2 yet....
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Uh, that's what we've been saying. No, there's not except possibly for a few phones and all those methods have been tried with this and they didn't work as Motorola had already fixed those exploits.
The only way to root this phone under KitKat is to have an unlocked bootloader, and there is NO way to do that anymore, period.
The original unlocking exploit took the Dan a long time to find it and a lot of testing. That exploit is long gone and cannot be put back onto the phone as it was patched into a protected zone of the phone that even unlocked bootloaders do not have access to write to. So, there is NO way to flash back to a previous version of JB that had the exploit and have it "patch" the exploit back in. Yes, you'll go back to JB, but not exploit will be there.
And please understand the frustration from some of us - you're is possibly the 200th time this was asked. If you actually searched the forums and read the postings, you would see there are huge threads about this issue. That's the main reason why so many of us are frustrated with this question because it keeps getting asked and it's sitting right here in other threads and so, the forum is getting polluted with the same question being asked, over and over again. If people would just take the time to research for themselves rather than just jumping in and asking the question, it would make this forum lest polluted. What's funny is, the questions all come from people who have just registered on this forum (they all had posts < 10). It's very frustrating.

Root for Maxx on 4.4.4?

Hey Guys, so I purchased my Maxx on release day and I'm currently on 4.4.4. I was just wondering if there was a root method available for me as I would like to have native tethering again.
Thanks for the help!
Matt

BMWPower06 said:
Hey Guys, so I purchased my Maxx on release day and I'm currently on 4.4.4. I was just wondering if there was a root method available for me as I would like to have native tethering again.
Thanks for the help!
Matt
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No there isn't.

Extremely unlikely.

No working method.. U have to pay 45$ atleast for unlocking BL if u r lucky.. I did in my droid maxx

Doesn't anyone search anymore there are 3 posts all in a row asking the same ? With the same answers.
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me too
am also interested, thanks

root question
i have a Droid Maxx with unlocked bootloader and rooted on 4.4.4 and i was wondering if i take the update to 5.0 lollipop will i be able to get root again since i have the bootloader unlocked. Guess i am wondering if i can take the update and load Super user through my twrp recovery

Frank T said:
i have a Droid Maxx with unlocked bootloader and rooted on 4.4.4 and i was wondering if i take the update to 5.0 lollipop will i be able to get root again since i have the bootloader unlocked. Guess i am wondering if i can take the update and load Super user through my twrp recovery
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I debated way to long to respond to this, so I am just going to do it.
but.....
You're kidding right? :angel:

ssb13 said:
I debated way to long to respond to this, so I am just going to do it.
but.....
You're kidding right? :angel:
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no im not kidding hence why im a junior member and new to this stuff

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no im not kidding hence why im a junior member and new to this stuff
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Fair enough. However, if your BL is unlocked and you are rooted, I doubt you are that much of a junior.
That being said, its pretty hard to have an answer about a update that hasn't even been released yet.
Basically, once it hits, some will take it for the team, either on purpose or on accident, and information will be flowing...until then its only speculation.
I'm sorry if I came across like a DB.

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Fair enough. However, if your BL is unlocked and you are rooted, I doubt you are that much of a junior.
That being said, its pretty hard to have an answer about a update that hasn't even been released yet.
Basically, once it hits, some will take it for the team, either on purpose or on accident, and information will be flowing...until then its only speculation.
I'm sorry if I came across like a DB.
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Thanks for the answer

Frank T said:
i have a Droid Maxx with unlocked bootloader and rooted on 4.4.4 and i was wondering if i take the update to 5.0 lollipop will i be able to get root again since i have the bootloader unlocked. Guess i am wondering if i can take the update and load Super user through my twrp recovery
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Unlocked BL means you always have root

[Q] Root help needed. sch i545 kit kat 4.4.2

I bought a verizon galaxy s4 a few weeks ago and foolishly updated it. I now want to root it and i havent rooted anything in months but i wasnt to worried until i cant seem to find if you can root with version VRUFNK1. I found 1 thread where someone said they bricked there phone trying on this version. If it possible please let me know and what method to use.

you can actually root it safely only if you downgrade back to the VRUFNC5 bootloader , the use the vroot method.

eb6 said:
you can actually root it safely only if you downgrade back to the VRUFNC5 bootloader , the use the vroot method.
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Thanks thats exactly what i wanted to know!

eb6 said:
you can actually root it safely only if you downgrade back to the VRUFNC5 bootloader , the use the vroot method.
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I done some research and am very lost as to what to do. there are no clear instuructions on how to downgrade from vrufnk1 to vrufnc5 at all that I can find. can someone elaborate on this and give me a little more detailed instuctions and possibly links to the files ill need or websites where to find them. And is it possible to even downgrade without first being rooted? Sorry its been years since i have done this and it was way simpler on the kindle fire.

I have a buddy thats in the same boat, he's got a newer s4 and wants to rom it for his first time.

I am also in this predicament. I had a galaxy nexus that I would flash different roms to every week but I upgraded via Verizon to the S4 a few months ago -- bloatware is awful and is taking up over 7GB of my 16... Would love to get a jump on rooting, but I can't find anything on this build aside from this thread and another few posts that were also unanswered. Any help or direction would be great -- do y'all think there will have to be another way to root this build, or can downgrading be okay?

Same boat
I too am in the same boat, for some reason with i545vrufnk1, I can't root so want to downgrade the firmware to a firmware that allows me to root, tried all the various methods to root but for some reason I can't, think it might be the firmware or the knox software package.

I believe you could root with Towelroot.
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towel root won't work
I tried it with the latest official update and it won't work. I'm looking to root as well.

[How-To] Root I545VRUFNK1 4.4.2 (12-1-2014)
Look for this thread on xda search tab. It worked for me. Just follow closely.

I followed the downgrade instructions and got root back. Is it Verizon that makes it a pain in the ass? I don't know what I would do without this place and helpful people
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2735172

chris1945 said:
[How-To] Root I545VRUFNK1 4.4.2 (12-1-2014)
Look for this thread on xda search tab. It worked for me. Just follow closely.
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i tried this guide verbatim, mine bootlooped and rebooted after i tried connecting to wifi every time.
had to go back to nk1 and its stable now. farkin verizon...