Hey.
So i got a chance to trade my used Oneplus one for a used Sony xperia z2 like new with all accessories sealed and the dock head to head.
What do you think I should do and why?
If you have experience with both please elaborate! What's better and what's worse?!
Thx.
Nope. No need to list pros and cons, it's a step backwards in every respect, you'd be trading down.
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The only things I would consider you would 'gain' are the dust proof and water resistance features, sd card slot (although like most phones its has a measley 16GB internal which isn't much for apps after the OS is taken out of it). With the OPO you have the benefits easy bootloader unlocking and the development community which is up there with nexus devices. Plus you have a CM based stock ROM right out of the box, faster updates without any bloat and further updates that OPO keep bringing ie the RAW functionality, MaxxAudio and much more to come with CM12S and OxygenOS, so as timmaaa says its a step backwards, unless you have some major preference for Sony devices.
Life Engineer said:
Hey.
So i got a chance to trade my used Oneplus one for a used Sony xperia z2 like new with all accessories sealed and the dock head to head.
What do you think I should do and why?
If you have experience with both please elaborate! What's better and what's worse?!
Thx.
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Tell me you are joking!
I had a Z2 for work, it is a really good phone. The screen is more vibrant, and the camera is just as good, if not better. You also get AOSP which is pretty cool, even though stock Sony Android isn't too bad.
You gain:
Probably better camera, although tastes differ
Nicer design, although tastes differ
Better build quality
Dust and water proofness
Nicer screen
MicroSD card slot, expandable storage
A better rounded, properly QA'd stock ROM experience
You lose:
Allround-hassle-free bootloader unlock experience of OPO (Sony is usually unlockable, you do lose DRM keys (and thus some features) doing it though; reversible if you take a backup prior to unlocking)
A bit larger dev community (number of custom and custom-custom ROMs)
64GB internal storage
RAW camera output
Tie:
CM and PA also on Z2
Sony also has audio EQ and such stuff, nothing lost actually rather won, IMO Sony does it even better than CM folks do
Battery probably comparable. Sony is outstanding, but so is OPO.
Stick with the opo, it's better. At the end of the day the opo is better in development department. Trade it only if you do not root and do not flash custom roms. Then the opo is nothing for you and go for the z2.
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Nope. No need to list pros and cons, it's a step backwards in every respect, you'd be trading down.
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"Every respect" is a bit extreme. To be fair, it's more like a step sideways rather than backwards. At a glance, they both sport:
Snapdragon 801
3 GB RAM
1080p displays
3000+ mAh batteries (OPO is 3100, Z2 is 3200)
The camera and flash are a bit hard to compare. Sony's is an all-Sony unit, but the OPO only has a Sony sensor. The rest is made by Sunny Optical, who are known more for their cost-to-performance ratio rather than overall quality. Also, the OPO's dual LED flash gives minimal advantage, if any. The Z2's larger sensor compensates for the lack of dual LED flash.
64 GB of internal storage vs. 16 GB + expandable are both good in their own ways, but I'd personally choose the latter over the former because I've never used up 16 GB worth of apps. It keeps system and user data separate, and if the phone completely dies at least you can just take out the MicroSD.
The transition from StyleSwap to an all glass and metal construction is a big step forward. Sandstone Black is by far the least durable material choice ever on a smartphone I've used. It has only been 6 months, and it's already showing signs of wear. Under the same usage conditions, none of my previous phones wore out so quickly.
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Sandstone Black certainly is unique, but I have a feeling OnePlus made the most wear-prone the most common one so you'll buy their replacement StyleSwaps. And if you buy a non-standard finish like bamboo, it will cost the same as (if not more than) buying a replacement screen assembly for the OnePlus One. It makes no sense, and it makes even less sense given that bamboo StyleSwaps are continually being manufactured, so it's not a supply thing.
schaggo said:
You gain:
Probably better camera, although tastes differ
Nicer design, although tastes differ
Better build quality
Dust and water proofness
Nicer screen
MicroSD card slot, expandable storage
A better rounded, properly QA'd stock ROM experience
You lose:
Allround-hassle-free bootloader unlock experience of OPO (Sony is usually unlockable, you do lose DRM keys (and thus some features) doing it though; reversible if you take a backup prior to unlocking)
A bit larger dev community (number of custom and custom-custom ROMs)
64GB internal storage
RAW camera output
Tie:
CM and PA also on Z2
Sony also has audio EQ and such stuff, nothing lost actually rather won, IMO Sony does it even better than CM folks do
Battery probably comparable. Sony is outstanding, but so is OPO.
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The Z2's camera is definitely better than the OPO's hardware-wise (sensor is larger, higher MP count, probably better optics too), and don't forget the Z2 also has a physical camera button. Just open up the viewfinder on both the Z2 and OPO, put them side-by-side, and observe the difference in viewfinder responsiveness, white balance and exposure accuracy/appropriateness. I find the advantages of RAW to be minimal at best. In most instances I would prefer not to mess around with RAW and just get the picture right the first time around.
You didn't mention the true stereo speakers! The OPO's [dual mono] are louder, but the Z2's have a better range thanks to a larger continuous enclosure.
I owned a Z1 compact before the OPO and still love it very much. I previously owned a Z, which I also still own. I have had time to play around with a Z2 and also a Z3. The steps Sony makes from revision to revision are - keep in mind it's only ever half a year between models - impressive for the time gap. The more recent Sony devices are truly impressive and very refined devices, definitely.
Personally, if I were presented with your offer, I would probably make the jump, although I really like the OPO the Sony device is definitely more refined. Brand new it does cost about twice what the OnePlus costs though, that must be kept in mind Value for money, I think the OPO beats every device on the market. Value alone, there's better offerings and, all around, I consider the Z2 to be one of them.
Anyway, you have a quite extensive list already of the pro and the con's of each device. If the con's do not matter that much to you and you really do like the pro's, then do the swap. If not, stay with the OPO. Quite simple
So I repeat, I really like my OPO, I won't trade-in my OPO for anything any time soon, but if I were presented with the chance to swap for a Z2 at no costs, I'd hands down do it. But that's just me.
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Didn't find a Lenovo K900 thread anywhere, on any site as a matter of fact, so I'm starting one. First phone from a Chinese company to get me excited. I'm still leery of ZTE and Huawei, but Lenovo has been making Thinkpads for several years now so I'll bite. This phone looks amazing, especially the diamond pattern. It's super blocky, but its so thin at under 7mm it makes it look really cool. The frame around the black glass front really makes it stand out in its own unique way. It even has a microSD slot. A big middle finger to all those other unibody phones that keep on saying no microSD is the future. The only thing I don't like is the look of the speaker grille. There's also a 13MP camera by Sony. Hopefully it is the new Exmor RS and not the old R. If it is the RS, it's kind of weird that Sony is not making their own sensor exclusive, and instead sharing the limelight with Lenovo on the same show. The Lenovo one is even thinner. Did I mention it has a 5.5" 1080p IPS screen?
Here's a fun video where the rep makes a bunch of mistakes. Poor guy confuses sim card with microSD card and internal storage with internal RAM. He also does this Sarah Palin-esque jumble of words about how he personally loves the phone, its good for low lighting, because he's a power user, and a whole bunch of other stuff that aren't necessarily connected. Does it in all the other videos too. Gotta dig how he says that 5.5" is the perfect size.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/ces-videos/hands-on-lenovo-k900-intel-atom-clover-trail-smartphone/
Here's a comparison with the Galaxy Note 2. Its a little bit taller, but looks a little bit less wide, if not the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsnX4qGERZI
Since you want thoughts, I have to say that IMO that's one of the ugliest phones to date. The shiny back thing worked well on phones like the Nexus 4 but on that it looks absolutely awful. From a specs standpoint it seems pretty decent, although I don't think it's any better than the Xperia Z or ZL (whichever one's better lol). The Xperias are infinitely better looking, too. However, as stated in the comments of the youtube comparison with a GNote 2, phablets are pretty pointless without some sort of special S-Pen like functionality.
I like the metal and those screws which make it look solid and upmarket even though being so slim. The diamond pattern version is not for me, although it does look like those engine turned instrument panels on pre-war Mercedes'. Performance wise I've seen initial benchmarks which look impressive. It does need an S-pen. At the moment the Note 2 is my favourite phone even though Samsung is using far too much cheap looking plastic.
i 'am using k900 now
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i 'am using k900 now
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Congratulations! Nicely designed hardware (the simple stainless version), unfortunately with really tacky overlay, but nothing that a good launcher can't help, I hope.
I just ordered one
Is the K900 definitely a WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100 phone? Most specs mention only 2100 for 3G, some add 900, but one of the shops confirmed, when questioned specifically, that the K900 covers WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100. This is important for the US users (and here is what Lenovo seems to be distributing: http://www.letsgomobile.org/images/news/lenovo/lenovo-smartphone.pdf)
How do you like it so far?
What is the battery life?
What is the camera like in low light?
I also have the HTC One Developer Edition on order, but will probably cancel it (the f/1.8 lens on the K900 was the tipping point for me, hope it's great not just on paper).
Also, does it have FM transmitter?
Most of the chips with FM receivers include a transmitter as well, just curious if there is an app on the K900 for the transmitter.
Camera Comparison: iPhone 5 vs Nokia 920 vs Lenovo K900
Use Google Translate:
http://mobile.zol.com.cn/373/3734242.html
To me, it looks like the iPhone 5 produces noticeably better photos....
MacGuy2006 said:
Use Google Translate:
http://mobile.zol.com.cn/373/3734242.html
To me, it looks like the iPhone 5 produces noticeably better photos....
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k900 and iphone 5 have their own strengths,in your link to zol.com.cn ,they show that iphone 5's photo is better at night,but ,Lenovo K900 is still very stable from the comparison of outdoor , indoor , macro , panoramic night view of these aspects , whether it is indoors or outdoors, Lenovo K900 can be very accurate in place to restore the colors and details . iPhone 5 because of its usual " automatic " style ,adjust the photo color , brightness to compare to please the eye , but During panorama shooting iPhone 5 " automatic " loss of efficiency , a significant drop in the brightness of the screen .
MacGuy2006 said:
Congratulations! Nicely designed hardware (the simple stainless version), unfortunately with really tacky overlay, but nothing that a good launcher can't help, I hope.
I just ordered one
Is the K900 definitely a WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100 phone? Most specs mention only 2100 for 3G, some add 900, but one of the shops confirmed, when questioned specifically, that the K900 covers WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100. This is important for the US users (and here is what Lenovo seems to be distributing: http://www.letsgomobile.org/images/news/lenovo/lenovo-smartphone.pdf)
How do you like it so far?
What is the battery life?
What is the camera like in low light?
I also have the HTC One Developer Edition on order, but will probably cancel it (the f/1.8 lens on the K900 was the tipping point for me, hope it's great not just on paper).
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Lenovo K900 is still very stable from the comparison of outdoor , indoor , macro , panoramic night view of these aspects , whether it is indoors or outdoors, Lenovo K900 can be very accurate in place to restore the colors and details . iPhone 5 because of its usual " automatic " style ,adjust the photo color , brightness to compare to please the eye , but During panorama shooting iPhone 5 " automatic " loss of efficiency , a significant drop in the brightness of the screen 。
The comparison of k900 and htc one in deferent brightness.
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for more outward appearance just go to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284530
and i will share more soon ~
for more photo shoot,use google translate to read http://mobile.zol.com.cn/373/3734242.html
Sure, the K900 has an overall fine camera with great wide aperture and hopefully the software side will be tweaked to make the shots better.
Thanks for the photos in the rooting thread you've started, it a great-looking phone.
Have you figured out if the phone has radio transmitter (so that you can stream music to FM frequency on your car radio, for cars without A2DP receivers)?
Also, have you come across any documentation on the 3G bands enabled (850 and 1900 are of particular interest)?
Oh, and can you get through the day without a recharge (with "normal" use)?
Thanks.
guys frankly before ordering i was thinking this is the best phone in the world in this price range but after i used it for 1 month ive realised that firstly..camera is good but it needs some settings every time.....guyz im not a developer but i guarantee u with roms like cm or miui this big beast will turn to a monster...problems is in its software"lenovo UI"..I WOULD APPRECIATE IF SOMEONE WOULD PORT ROMS ON K900
First I will explain my story: I went from owning the SGS 1, then SGS 2 and then I bought a Droid DNA for something different, but someone stole it. Luckily a friend sold me an SGS 3 for very cheap. By the time I played around with the SGS 3, I realised why I was getting bored of Samsung to begin with. It's because of the screen. Yes it looks sharp and clear but the amoled screen was so fake and forced with saturation which my Droid DNA wasn't suffering from. Not to mention the SGS 3 seemed exactly the same as my SGS 2 only a different shape and size. It was quite frankly boring!
After my insurance company replaced my Droid DNA I could no longer use the SGS 3 because of these facts. I continued to use the Droid DNA for the following months and I can not fault it besides the screen being too small for me now, I have simply outgrown it. I have since sold all of my phones including the DNA to purchase a new phone. I automatically wanted the Note 3 because of the size and hardware and well known projected development but my main questions are:
Is the screen on the Galaxy Note 3 improved with life like colours in comparison to the SGS 3?
Is the camera going to be good enough without OIS?
If you want to know my other choices and reasons why I am considering them please look below. (Was going to include Sony Xperia Z Ultra but the camera has no flash and is only 8mp and the size form factor is too much for me)
My first choice (hoping the screen doesn't put me off)
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Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Pros:
Biggest screen in a small chassis in comparison to any other phablet
Stylus might come in handy but I have never used one before
Has the best internals out of the competition Snapdragon 800/Adreno 330
Development support is massive for Samsung!
Massive battery
4K recording on specific model I am interested in
More RAM
Cons:
Amoled screens have always seemed boring to look at to me and everything seems fake, almost like a cartoon. I need to use the GN3 in person before I can be sure. They might have made it better than the SGS 3? - This is the main reason I am concerned about - My Droid DNA felt so lifelike and easy to look at)
Camera has no OIS (and apparently the auto focus is slow according to some reviews)
My second choice
Acer Liquid S2
Pros:
Screen appeals to me more as it is not amoled like the Note 3
6" display
Same internals as Note 3
Same battery capacity as Note 3
Highest contrast amongst my choices?
Better Front Camera than the other choices
LED Ring Flash (4 leds)
Cons:
Bigger than Note 3 and not sure if it is worth it for the size increase of the screen (TOUGH DECISION)
Has a slower clock speed at 2.2 instead of 2.3 in other Snapdragon 800 phones
If it is not a lot cheaper than it will make me lean towards the Note 3
Reflective screen might cancel out contrast levels outdoors
Not sure what development will be like?
My third choice (more information on release might push me to buy this phone)
Oppo N1
Pros:
Rotating 6 lens camera with F/2.0 Aperture
First Cyanogen Mod Integrated Phone
Duel LED Flash
Biggest battery of all of my choices
Back of the phone has a touch panel which I bet will become very customisable
Aluminium
Some images make it look like the phone is waterproof?
Cons:
Phone might be tooooo big
last generation internals Snapdragon 600/Adreno 320
My third choice tied (more information on release might push me to buy this phone)
HTC One Max ( Some specs might still be unconfirmed)
Pros:
Screen might appeal to me more as it is not amoled like the Note 3
Larger screen
Camera has OIS and might be great. (The HTC One camera didn't impress me too much however)
External surround speakers
Development has really started picking back up with HTC
Cons:
Physical size must be big considering the speaker layout and camera
last generation internals Snapdragon 600/Adreno 320
Another tied third choice (Price is so cheap it might make do)
LG Optimus G Pro (Was also looking at Note 2 but this trumps it in every way besides stylus/software which I am still unsure if I will use often enough and of course I prefer a non amoled screen)
Pros:
This phone is literally half the price as the note 3 costing me $450 vs $850 for the Note 3 (This phone might keep me going until a newer phone entices me and for half the price it is tempting)
Dolby mobile sound enhancement
Great sized screen
Big battery
Camera is better than average
The development is not tooooo bad
Cons:
last generation internals Snapdragon 600/Adreno 320
My fourth choice (most disappointing because screen is probably not going to be big enough!! but I love all of the other features. If this phone was 5.5" I would be getting it over anything else! I am so annoyed it has on screen keys and a smaller screen! - It's why I sold my Nexus 4 so quickly)
LG G2
Pros:
Screen appeals to me more as it is not amoled like the Note 3
Large battery for a small phone (not as good as the note 3 but the life should be close to the same as it has a smaller screen to power)
The phone is cheaper to buy outright by $200 dollars in my country in comparison to the note 3
Camera is outstanding - 4K record might be possible with firmware update - f/2.4 aperture and OIS has proven to take better images and video with the right settings in comparison to my other phone choices
Internals are the same as Note 3
Cons:
Screen is only a little step up in quality and size from my Droid DNA (especially if I choose to keep on screen keys active)
LG usually have little development support compared to Samsung
The button placement at the back makes the phone look weird and maybe awkward. I thought it was a camera lens cover when I first saw it
At the end of the day if the Note 3 didn't have an amoled screen and did have OIS I wouldn't be looking at other phones at all. Even if it just had a different screen it would probably lock me in to buying it. That goes the same for the LG G2 if it had a larger screen! To make a definitive decision, I need to use all of these phones in person but because I live in Australia, most of these phones aren't available to me. Makes it very hard to make a decision! I need to look at the Galaxy Note 3 screen and see if I can deal with the amoled, if I can I will buy it. It is released in Australia in 3 days for me to check out.
If I don't like the Note 3 screen, I will need to handle the Oppo, Acer and HTC One Max to see if I am comfortable with the size of them. If I am then I will buy whichever one I like better, the problem is these phone will probably not come to Australia anytime soon, if at all for me to test them so I can only go by user opinion!
If I am not completely happy with the Acer/HTC/Oppo size I will end up buying the LG Optimus G Pro for so much cheaper than the others and I will then look to replace it when I am happy with another phone even if the phone is lower spec, it has decent development and an upgraded screen size and quality over my DNA.
I also need to see the LG G2 in person to judge the screen size for myself, again the phone is not available in my country until November! and I will want to make a decision by then
Hey so I just saw a video on the Galaxy S6 and I'm a little unhappy that they're removing the ability to expand memory and swap batteries. But in the end it may be worth it. TouchWiz doesn't look so bad now and I can't even imagine what future phones by Samsung will look like because of this one. Do you think removing the ability to expand memory and swap batteries is a good step in phone development by Samsung?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m247fbdJoE
Just came to learn today that it will leave just over 23 GB out of its base 32 GB model to us. Of course I am not here to moan about the microSD expansion disability. I am just a bit hesitated as the number of my media files is increasing and so is the media file size. The 4k recording is also there. Once they left us with no option to expand memory by ourselves they could have been more economical about the usage of the OS and pre-installed app's memory space.
Definitely will not purchase a Samsung device because they removed those two features. I'll have to wait till Oneplusone 2 comes out and use CM12 on it.
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Hey so I just saw a video on the Galaxy S6 and I'm a little unhappy that they're removing the ability to expand memory and swap batteries. But in the end it may be worth it. TouchWiz doesn't look so bad now and I can't even imagine what future phones by Samsung will look like because of this one. Do you think removing the ability to expand memory and swap batteries is a good step in phone development by Samsung?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m247fbdJoE
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I think you're a bit late to the game with this discussion. This topic has been discussed pretty much in every single thread on this forum.
Thanks, yeah I had a feeling about that. I had a quick skim down the forms and I saw that most topics were about prices for the new devices.
Personally, I don't think it's an issue if they remove those two features. I assume the new devices will have quick charging times similar to the Galaxy Note 4 and the picture and 4k video could simply be moved to your desktop if you have one. So in conclusion, the new devices may be in favor to those who have a pace where they can place the large media files elsewhere.
i understand why they decided not to go for the removable back cover. but, the more I think about it, I can't understand why they can't allow some kind of spring loaded battery and SD card insert on the sides of the phone.
I believe it is because they're aiming for a bit of a more deluxe approach to their new phones similar to the iPhone
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I believe it is because they're aiming for a bit of a more deluxe approach to their new phones similar to the iPhone
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i thought the whole "deluxe" feel was about ditching the removable plastic back. i think they could easily retain the feel while adding slots in the sides. maybe they'd have to sacrifice a few mm's to do so, though.
Coming from a Nexus 4 and now a nexus 5 for the past year and a half here are my thoughts
Its no longer beneficial to be in the nexus program. Lollipop has been a buggy mess. I've put up with 2 cycles of really bad cameras and im not waiting for google to fix it. They cant even write a proper camera app. I'm getting home screen redraws and maps crashing. I'm just tired of putting up with the compromises the nexus line brings. It was okay when the phone was $350 but now with the 6 at the same price as the S6. its unacceptable
That saying i preordered the s6 today and played with it in store
Camera - Snappy and focuses fast. I think this might be the first time you can actually use an android camera like you use an iphone camera
yes i can get good photos out of my nexus 5 but the subjects must be static and the lighting must be perfect
build. feels very good. very nexus 4 like. feels good in the hand
Software - listen its samsung.Dont expect anything revolutionary in this area. As soon as i get the phone im slapping nova launcher on it and never looking back
It feels fast. I started running wifi direct sharing and bluetooth sharing and couldnt get it to slow up. My nexus 5 receiving the files was slowing down
Display - literally the best you can get on a phone right now. I'm a photo buff so this was huge for me. The nexus 5 display was good but not great. it will be nice to be on a top tier display
Overall im ready to move on from the nexus compromises and seem like i will finally get a phone that has my number 1 want. A solid camera and a good build. I really think samsung did well with the choices the made on this phone. Part of me wants to ride out my nexus 5 until the note 5 but i worry about the size
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I finally got to handle some S6 variants in person today.
Did anyone else notice that the white and black colors are different between the standard S6 and Edge? Haven't seen reviewers mention that.
On the standard S6, black is just straight black, but on the S6 Edge, it has a bit of blue tint to it, which looks better in my opinion than straight boring black.
As for white, the standard S6 is again just a straight color, white, but on the Edge, white is really more like a pearl color with more sheen to it, which actually looks worse than straight white in my opinion.
If I go with a standard S6 (most likely), then I will choose white, but if I were going Edge, I would choose the black version as the white Edge looks a bit girly and weird to me with that pearly sheen.
Is it possible to beat this dead horse anymore? DONT BUY IT!!!
I agree about the Nexus 5 and Active S6 may have SD card, WP, replaceable battery.
Lockeskidney, I agree with you about the Nexus. The Nexus seems to run best on 4.4.4 . I like Lollipop but the upgrades did not fix issues. The main and most pressing issue was dropped WiFi and data. I do know how to factory flash, wipe, and setup as new phone. I finally went back to 4.4.4 rooted with xposed and trying to wait until I can figure out what to get. The battery life and camera (slow focus makes it difficult to get the perfect shot--really noticeable when compared to iPhone) need improvements but otherwise a good phone. Loved freedom of unlocked boot loader and being able to root. Tweaks make the phone so much more functional and even can be personalized to individual wants and needs. With that said, I used stock roms with tweaks. Loved cyanogenmod 11 and tried 12 but also had connection issues.
I decided against s6 because the battery will require a service center for more people who are uncomfortable with the teardown procedure required. I have replaced iPhone batteries before and would attempt with Nexus, but s6 is a bit much more than I am willing to risk. This was the deal breaker for me.
Samsung made a point to consider about mixing two types of memory. Still the SD option is nice.
I would have liked waterproofing, but I could have probably fixed that with a case though they can be hard to hear on. Waterproofing built in is a strong plus! Life happens.
I am really tired of the "thinnest phone" form over function. Really, I' d rather have a longer lasting battery, extra storage if needed, and waterproofing. The s5 port looked easy to remove for those who did not want it.
There may be a S6 active variant for those customers on AT&T (and those who can get unlocked). THIS is what I want to see specs on before making decision. Otherwise, I am considering Samsung Note 4 or S5. Looks like it will be the same with exception of having hardware buttons, lower camera megapixels while keeping OIS, no heart rate monitor, and no fingerprint scanner. However, it is rumored to have larger capacity battery ( so maybe no wireless charging which is OK with me), SD slot, and waterproof! That would make sense for the other group of us that value function over form and are putting a case on it anyway . I would like Samsung pay too. For these things I might be willing to try phone as is without modifications.
For the record, I currently came from iPhone and have been using Nexus 5 for about 15 months.
Following the launch of three new variants of the Moto G today, Venture Beat is reporting that Lenovo will be renaming the Moto X to the Moto Z. The company will retain the Style and Play monikers introduced last year, while the Droid devices on Verizon are also getting renamed.
The higher-end model that features a quad HD 5.5-inch display and Snapdragon 820 chip with 3 or 4GB of RAM will be known as the Moto Z Style. Meanwhile, the lower-end device with a full HD 5.5-inch display and Snapdragon 625 chip is the Moto Z Play. The Style and Play names were first introduced with last year’s lineup of Moto devices.
On Verizon, Moto devices will no longer be rebranded as the Droid Turbo or Maxx. They will retain the Z Style or Z Play name and be known as the “Droid Edition”. While it is a clunkier naming scheme, it should help Lenovo with brand recognition as they try to expand their presence in Western markets.
Furthermore, Venture Beat is also reporting that the modular backplates for both Moto Z devices will be called MotoMods. Several are currently in the works, including a battery pack, camera grip with optical zoom and flash, stereo speakers, and pico projector. The devices are expected to be announced at Lenovo’s Tech World event on June 9th.
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http://9to5google.com/2016/05/17/lenovo-moto-z-x-rebrand/
http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-Motorola-Moto-X-series-is-dead-Moto-Z-will-take-its-place_id81186
I'll try to update the thread with more rumors/details when I get time.
Attached pic(s) are all just rumors/renders and not anywhere close to being verified images.
EDIT 6/9/2016:
It's officially been announced now.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2016/0..._campaign=Feed:+Gottabemobile+(GottaBeMobile)
Moto Z Force Specs
The Moto Z Force is technically the “flagship” high end smartphone from Motorola this year. Featuring a much bigger battery with even faster Turbo Charging (Quick Charge 3.0) a better camera and other changes we’ll detail below. Here’s the rundown.
5.5-inch 2560 x 1440 Quad-HD Display (Shatterproof)
Quad-Core Snapdragon 820 processor with 4GB of RAM
32/64GB storage with micro-SD expansion
Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow
21 Megapixel Rear Camera with Dual LED Flash, auto focus, phase detection focus, OIS
5 Megapixel Front Camera with auto-focus, LED flash, wide angle
Metal Design with MotoMaker customization and MotoMods
USB Type-C Port with Turbo Fast Charging, and USB-C Headphones (no 3.5mm port)
3,500 mAh battery
3.5mm to USB Type-C adapter for headphones
Water repellent nano-coating
The main difference here is the Moto Z Force has a shatterproof display, a bigger 3,500 mAh battery with faster charging, and a better 21 megapixel camera with the addition of phase detection auto-focus and other tricks. It’s also a little taller and a little wider for the bigger battery.
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Wow looks bad compared to the pure. Hopefully the Nexus is good this year.
Nexus can't be good, as none of them have an SDcard slot!
matthelm said:
Nexus can't be good, as none of them have an SDcard slot!
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Not everyone cares about or needs the sdcard capability. I personally like having one for ease of transferring between devices, but I could get by without if I have 64 GB or better storage. I regularly back up my pictures anyway and I can download movies and music again.
Honestly, I really hope the new High end motos won't actually look like that. I hate trying to hold onto all these phones that are just flat slabs of thin metal. They're hard to hold onto, and that chin looks stupid. lol
I agree. One of the selling points for me on the MXPE was the fact that the curved back with the stock silicone backing provides excellent grip and usability for a phone on this size category. Flat metal and smooth plastic and/or metal backs trend to slide too easily in my hand.
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Some sites are claiming this is the next generation Droid RAZR.
aybarrap1 said:
Not everyone cares about or needs the sdcard capability. I personally like having one for ease of transferring between devices, but I could get by without if I have 64 GB or better storage. I regularly back up my pictures anyway and I can download movies and music again.
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True, but as we found out last year with the S6, MOST people do. The large majority want sd cards, and they were the loudest, most vocal, and annoying about it I've ever seen/heard. Samsung will never make that mistake again!
So true. For the most part, Samsung users had always had the SD card slot. The absence was a shock. However in the case of NEXUS devices, the absence of the slot is the norm. As you stated, many complained (including my spouse but won her over with automated cloud backup via wifi). This just shows that nexus devices are not for everyone.
On a side note: My reasons for the MXPE over nexus was not SD card related. I liked the overall specs and size of the MXPE and it was a better bargain for the price. While receiving the latest updates quickly would be nice, it is not a crucial sales point, more so since I'm not a developer.
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Would it be worth it to buy the Moto x style or wait for the price to drop even further?
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Would it be worth it to buy the Moto x style or wait for the price to drop even further?
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For the price to specs value, it is an excellent buy now. It is hard to say if the price will drop much more if any. Usually price drops are to get rid of stock and if the stock is emptied at current prices, you will never get the chance for lower prices.
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OP updated with official announcement.
So, a [hopefully] unlocked bootloader won't be available till after the summer.
No worries. My MotoX is rocking steady.
Moto Z & Moto Z Force Release Date
So when can you get one?
Well, the Moto Z DROID and Moto Z DROID Force will be available exclusively in the United States “this summer” from Verizon Wireless.
Then, the Moto Z will be available unlocked (for most carriers) later this fall on Motorola.com and likely many other retail partners.
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AWW crap.
Sadly, the better Moto Z Force will only be available in the US from Verizon Wireless.
Everyone else will need to settle for the razor thin Moto Z with the smaller 2,600 mAh battery.
Motorola further explained that these phones will be available globally starting in September.
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Anyone here thinking about going back to a carrier locked phone?
Verizon isn't allowed to lock their 4G LTE phones. However the Droid branded phones may lack the proper radio frequencies to work well on AT&T and T-Mobile LTE.
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sherri said:
Anyone here thinking about going back to a carrier locked phone?
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Not a chance right now. There are enough options out in the wild with more than acceptable specs still. Of course, it will be another year or so before I get around to upgrading again so who knows.
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Kind of disappointed... like the curved back design better... and the first round of motomods is not so exciting to see. I wonder if they will keep motoaction?
And anyone saw the livestream yesterday? At one point it's weird Ashton Kutcher walked off stage, like he's not sure if he's still needed on stage or not... In general, I think the CEO doesn't need to be on stage that much if he doesn't have the charisma...
The production values of the presentation last year were far superior fwiw.
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Fewer LTE bands and no 3.5 mm jack so just not for me. I could probably live with the USB-C audio (I'll have to eventually anyway) but reduced band coverage is a deal-killer.
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Looks like we were wrong about the X line
Hello everyone,
I am planning to get the Xperia Z5 (Dual)
Is it worth it to buy this phone in 2016 (December)
- How is the hardware?
- The Software?
- I think i won't be flashing any rom but i will flash mostly audio mods
- What colour is great in your opinion?
Many Thanks for any feedback given
within SONY v/s SONY , from 2015 to 2016, from Z series to now X series , there hasn't much changed. accept few reports that xperia X software is much better and ram management is faster. (perhaps) but what hands on xperience i had, I found X pretty much same as Z5
when SONY v/s others. SONY is very expensive and one can carefully say it almost inclining toward unfair trade deal where price v/s hardware is concern!
Dont buy z5 heats too much sometimes unable to hold, poor camera at night
rajdeep312 said:
Dont buy z5 heats too much sometimes unable to hold, poor camera at night
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Bullsh*t...
This guy does not seem well informed.
Pls don't troll this forum!
The z5 is a great phone all round,the build quality is super, pretty good camera, batteery life is not bad, waterproofing is awesome and it sorta makes the phone feel undestructable.I purchased it last year new I got the gold color which looks nice but I also like the graphite black one too.
If you are planing on dropping 500$+ I would wait till ces or mwc 2017 where Sony will release its next flagship along with the smarthwatch 4.
What sorta makes me sad is that there is still not a lot of development support for the z5 from Sony, it sorta grinds my gears that Xperia x get the nougat preview and the z5 doesnt, heck even the z3 got marshmellow before us witch is confusing to me why Sony is ignoring z5 users.
Overall, hardware is great. Battery could be better.
Software is OK too, but since Z5 is over a year old, it's gonna get updates after XZ and X series. And probably the next update would be it's last.
I have a green one but I think black is better.
At the end, if you don't care about waterproofness, I'd suggest you to buy Xperia X. It's newer and better in many aspects.
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Bullsh*t...
This guy does not seem well informed.
Pls don't troll this forum!
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I think he is trolling but may i know the average temperature for the Xperia Z5?
Thanks!
reza_v said:
Overall, hardware is great. Battery could be better.
Software is OK too, but since Z5 is over a year old, it's gonna get updates after XZ and X series. And probably the next update would be it's last.
I have a green one but I think black is better.
At the end, if you don't care about waterproofness, I'd suggest you to buy Xperia X. It's newer and better in many aspects.
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Waterproof is something i need in my "phone upgrade checklist"
Perhaps i will consider the Z5 (black) or maybe gold
xperia z3 said:
The z5 is a great phone all round,the build quality is super, pretty good camera, batteery life is not bad, waterproofing is awesome and it sorta makes the phone feel undestructable.I purchased it last year new I got the gold color which looks nice but I also like the graphite black one too.
If you are planing on dropping 500$+ I would wait till ces or mwc 2017 where Sony will release its next flagship along with the smarthwatch 4.
What sorta makes me sad is that there is still not a lot of development support for the z5 from Sony, it sorta grinds my gears that Xperia x get the nougat preview and the z5 doesnt, heck even the z3 got marshmellow before us witch is confusing to me why Sony is ignoring z5 users.
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Nice review there, perhaps i might consider the z5
I don't know the exact temperature but sometimes it gets warm and only gets hot in heavy games which I'd say is normal.
And another thing I like to mention about the hardware is that the back glass isn't quite even with the metal frame, so you would feel the sharp edges of the frame when holding the phone. In other words, the metal frame is a hair thicker than the phone itself. You might not see that in the pictures but you'd certainly feel it. I'd say it's a design flaw but nothing you can't live with.
guys ill let me know u something...i had z5 and i was satisfied with the stock one.but then i had problems with heating and poor camera perfomance but then i bought galaxy s7 and yea i can say that it kills the z5 camera in speed and sharpnes but thats almost all...so i was using sgs7 for 4 months and gues what i gave it to my father and he gave me back my old z5 and then i saw that there are some roms and mods for this fella and of course i went for it so now im happy z5 user with bootloader unlocked rooted with camera and sound mod and yea lets dont forget the thermal mod witch is for me the best mod ever made for z5 becouse of this mod phone works like a charm...cheers guys hope i cleared someones mind
Ive had the Z5 for a while and it literally never gets hot though I dont stress the cpu with games or pi calculations to 15M
Camera is terrible with DRM enabled but it has almost perfect sharpness when DRM isnt working (-.- good job sony)
The camera is actually very good once you disable DRM but that does result in a instantly voided warrenty once you unlock the bootloader.
Personally I dislike over-saturation and i perefer richer colors to brighter colors
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And another thing I like to mention about the hardware is that the back glass isn't quite even with the metal frame, so you would feel the sharp edges of the frame when holding the phone. In other words, the metal frame is a hair thicker than the phone itself. You might not see that in the pictures but you'd certainly feel it. I'd say it's a design flaw but nothing you can't live with.
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I agree. Although I think it may be by design. My Z5 is far less scratched on the back ans easier to grip then my Z3.
The Z3 battery gives me 2 full days with my usage, the Z5 gives me 1!
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Ive had the Z5 for a while and it literally never gets hot though I dont stress the cpu with games or pi calculations to 15M
Camera is terrible with DRM enabled but it has almost perfect sharpness when DRM isnt working (-.- good job sony)
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Do you really mean what you wrote? Camera is better WITHOUT drm functioning?
Seems really strange to me. As far as I can say, it's not sharp but I never heard that sharpness appeared after unlocking the bL
ninestarkoko said:
Do you really mean what you wrote? Camera is better WITHOUT drm functioning?
Seems really strange to me. As far as I can say, it's not sharp but I never heard that sharpness appeared after unlocking the bL
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the cameras post processing is messed up, instead of it sharpening the picture and reducing the noise it over-does it and creates the oposite result (this didnt happen on 5.1.1 but does on marshmallow)
without DRM enabled the camera seems to be near perfectly sharpened on MM which I personally was quite happy about.