Android app on Windows Surface 8.1 - Microsoft Surface

So I've been doing a lot of looking around and I got a surface w. 8.1 for work as I needed MS Office. The only thing that I would like to be able to do is to MOD it so that I can put Google play on it and run android apps. I see that there is application called BlueStacks an emulator, I downloaded the .exe but the surface gives me the message that it can't run the exe. I went into the device and configured it to all untrusted apps via a YouTube I found and that did not work.
I'm not looking to make major changes to it. I am happy with it but want to add my android app. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Btw I am a complete noob on how to do this.

eyesofice said:
So I've been doing a lot of looking around and I got a surface w. 8.1 for work as I needed MS Office. The only thing that I would like to be able to do is to MOD it so that I can put Google play on it and run android apps. I see that there is application called BlueStacks an emulator, I downloaded the .exe but the surface gives me the message that it can't run the exe. I went into the device and configured it to all untrusted apps via a YouTube I found and that did not work.
I'm not looking to make major changes to it. I am happy with it but want to add my android app. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Btw I am a complete noob on how to do this.
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I use DuOs. Haven't had one issue with it at all. It uses a newer version of android than bluestacks runs everthing like an android tablet would. They give you a free trial soo after that its not free. But i think the trial is like 30 days.

Cool do you have a direct link?

Ya I did some looking up online and it doesn't say a whole lot on where to start and get set up with the 30 day trial and what not. Any suggestions

Here's the link. Like i said, it's a free trial with all the features for 30 days. Then after that its a one time charge. I liked it soo much that I bought it and have been using it for a couple months without issues. Once installed you'll have to setup the android stuff just like its dual booting. You'll have to type in the wifi passwords and select the wifi networks. There's also a box to check in the android settings to give full root access to run android programs that require a rooted device. One thing that i recommend is closing the DuOs program completely when finished. You can switch between windows and android just like using a regular windows program but it doesn't like when windows goes in "sleep" mode while its running. I always close the program when i'm not using it. The app can be ended by entering windows task manager if it ever becomes unstable but i haven't experienced anything other than the waking up from "sleep" mode. I've noticed with several games that my surface running Duos, plays them smoother and more responsive than my Sony Xperia Tab Z. Hope this helps!
http://www.amiduos.com/

Thank you I downloaded the .exe and it will not run on my tablet. There was jail break .bat file that I ran on the surface but how do I check to see if it worked ?

eyesofice said:
Thank you I downloaded the .exe and it will not run on my tablet. There was jail break .bat file that I ran on the surface but how do I check to see if it worked ?
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What model surface are you using? Is the os win 8.1? Everything that i've installed on mine installed just like a pc.

windows rt 8.1
32 bit os
arm processor
2gb ram
NVidia tegra 3 quad core cpu 1.30GhZ
The error that I get states that it can't run this app on this PC.

eyesofice said:
windows rt 8.1
32 bit os
arm processor
2gb ram
NVidia tegra 3 quad core cpu 1.30GhZ
The error that I get states that it can't run this app on this PC.
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That's your problem there. As I understand it, you cannot install third party apps on the RT version of windows. You will only be able to install apps from the microsoft store.

Damn regretting RT 8.1 more an more everyday

Related

Very low cost tablet

Hi all, i'd like to buy a chinese android based tablet (price should be around 100€), i'd like to ask you which one do you suggest to buy.
I've seen one from my friend and i liked it, i didn't remember the model but i tought that the android market was not the official one, can it be? If so, there's any way i can install it? Or i can install other apps without the market?
Another question, are these upgradable? I thought that the Android inside the tablet was pretty old (1.6 maybe), this was not a problem in everyday use, but i'm a maniac and i like to have everything up to date, if i can.
Please let me know
Just bought the TechPad Android Tablet
I guess we'll see what can be done with these. I don't need an ereader so I am looking for this to be an extension of my android phone, GPS - browser - etc. I should receive it by the 9-25-10
It has OS 1.6 Android 7 Inch Tablet with a 800MHz processor, 256 MB of RAM, 1Gb ROM, WiFi, and the Google Android Marketplace.
superchaos said:
I guess we'll see what can be done with these. I don't need an ereader so I am looking for this to be an extension of my android phone, GPS - browser - etc. I should receive it by the 9-25-10
It has OS 1.6 Android 7 Inch Tablet with a 800MHz processor, 256 MB of RAM, 1Gb ROM, WiFi, and the Google Android Marketplace.
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Look at this: http://www.slatedroid.com/
There are many store where you can buy that table you can do your own research on the web so you can select the right store that will meet your budget.
@superchaos
so did you get the 7 inch techpad unit yet? if so how is it?
I did.
It is not replacing my phone, I seem to be able to see a lot of the apps in the market but I am unable to download them. It just gets stuck at the starting download screen. Wifi connects really well and has a great connection.
Some apps just won't install like google earth, Google sky map, Swype doesn't recognize the device, etc.
The touch screen is kind of weak and you really have to press to get it to get the typing to work. The system files are accessible and there is a "su" folder. I am not real good at getting into anything. It looks to me like it is rooted but I have not figured out how to get into a recovery mode.
I have tried to connect it to the SDK from google and it does not recognize the device. If anyone has any ideas, I am open to suggestions.
Market issue is likely just Google servers. Happens all the time.
You need to test root by running an app like titanium backup which needs root, and see if it works.
For recovery, you would only get a stock one, and I doubt you will get a custom one online if the device is not common.
Is USB debugging enabled for adb, and have you looked for it in device manager to see its hardware id and check if the id is listed in the adb driver list?
@superchaos
judging from the price the screen probably is not capacitive type but resistive. how's the battery holding? how long does it last before you have to recharge? does it look like it's upgradable to android 2.2?
thanks.
pulser_g2 said:
Market issue is likely just Google servers. Happens all the time.
You need to test root by running an app like titanium backup which needs root, and see if it works.
For recovery, you would only get a stock one, and I doubt you will get a custom one online if the device is not common.
Is USB debugging enabled for adb, and have you looked for it in device manager to see its hardware id and check if the id is listed in the adb driver list?
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It doesn't seem to be rooted. To get the adb shell to recognize the device and to get Dalvik Debug Monitor to see the device, I followed the instructions here rbgrn.net/content/399-how-to-get-archos-5-internet-tablet-adb-working-on-x64-windows
I used HiDROID instead of Archos5 and the device id is USB\VID_18D1&PID_0002&MI_01
I run winXP not win7 and this worked. Screen capture works too. The programs I installed that require root just force close.
tlusg said:
judging from the price the screen probably is not capacitive type but resistive. how's the battery holding? how long does it last before you have to recharge? does it look like it's upgradable to android 2.2?
thanks.
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The screen could be a lot better. It is like there is a film on top of the screen for touch capabilities. The battery holds really well unless you are watching videos. 4-5 hours of constant use. You can leave it plugged in too. I am hoping it is upgradeable. The OS is built for a phone.
How do I get a list of hardware devices in the phone? Not just the specs on the pamphlet but actual hardware names/mfg's?

[Q] Run Windows (86x) on Shield

Hey
I'm happy to have the LTE Version of the Shield (EU).
Now it would be very intresting to run a Normal Windows. Which one i don't care.
It would be nice for work cause I we have Professionally surveillance and there all companys say you Need to use Microsoft Internet Explorer to Flash Cameras or Recorders without Errors...
Do you see any way?
-> Tried with Bochs but i'm new on Android World so i'm not good with this.
-> Don't care i understand much things but normaly i'm "at home with Windows Devices".
Would be nice if you can help me.
SaintAsonia said:
Hey
I'm happy to have the LTE Version of the Shield (EU).
Now it would be very intresting to run a Normal Windows. Which one i don't care.
It would be nice for work cause I we have Professionally surveillance and there all companys say you Need to use Microsoft Internet Explorer to Flash Cameras or Recorders without Errors...
Do you see any way?
-> Tried with Bochs but i'm new on Android World so i'm not good with this.
-> Don't care i understand much things but normaly i'm "at home with Windows Devices".
Would be nice if you can help me.
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You will not get any x86 version of Windows to run since the Shield is powered by an ARM processor.
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nrage23 said:
You will not get any x86 version of Windows to run since the Shield is powered by an ARM processor.
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Hey
Yes i know i mean about Emulator like i wrote already Bochs or something. But i didn't found a working Bochs Edition for my Shield.
I Know there are different Archidectures etc. but i like to emulate it. If it's slow i don't care. It just have to work
BTW: For my Skill: I've a MCSE Windows 8.1 and MCSA Windows Server 2012 R2 (actually i'm learning for MCSE)
You can use virtual desktop software like Chrome Remote Desktop or VMware, but Windows can't run on the Shield itself.
There's a very very high chance that there will be an ARM version of win10. They have already announced it. Should be a developer preview online someplace. Doubt it will work straight away though.
There is a also a version of Ubuntu Linux for shield
x86 applications can be run using Eltechs Exagear and wine using Ubuntu on the shield. IE should work. Run over to the thread on running Ubuntu natively using multirom. Must have root and new recovery etc. Is not for the notice.
geotherm said:
x86 applications can be run using Eltechs Exagear and wine using Ubuntu on the shield. IE should work. Run over to the thread on running Ubuntu natively using multirom. Must have root and new recovery etc. Is not for the notice.
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Worth a quick mention that exagear is 30 bucks. It's the only thing holding me up from trying to get elder scrolls oblivion running on Ubuntu for shield. Any ideas there would be great.
Hi guys
Now it works much better..
But! which Emulator do you know?
-> Bochs don't work.
-> Limbo at last it work. But on Windows 95 -> Win XP it's checking Hardware in a Loop. Win Vista or newer -> Limbo Crash..
Maybe now someone want to help me?
Pariahnoble said:
There's a very very high chance that there will be an ARM version of win10. They have already announced it. Should be a developer preview online someplace. Doubt it will work straight away though.
There is a also a version of Ubuntu Linux for shield
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nice

Note Pro 12.2 - Fully Running Windows 10.

Hello All,
I know this may be a long shot, but at CES this week Samsung announced the new TabPro S running Win10. I got curios and saw my Note Pro with a huge screen and thought... "What if there's a way of getting Win10 running on my NotePro". So here i am, I've spent the better half of the night till morning searching the internet for a blimp of something related and came up with nothing. So im here today to ask:
1. Is it possible to boot Win10 on the NotePro?
2. How can i determine if it can or cannot?
3. Whats needed to make it work?
4. Find the blocks preventing it from working and find a way around it or thru it.
Would be cool to make it dual boot. Have it ask you "Android or Windows?" When it turns on. Lets make this happen!
The desktop version of Windows 10 does not support ARM, so it isn't possible. Windows 10 Mobile is designed for ARM but I would say that there is no way to get that version to boot either. And I don't think there is any reason to even try, as Android is really superior to Win 10 Mobile.
When you say Win10 mobile, do you mean Win10 IoT (Internet of Things)?
I know IoT is compatible with Raspberry Pi 2 and Arduino devices, I wonder if someone works on it, it could be installed on android tablets and phones...

Wine 3.0 on Android

It is here,
https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/android/
But ain't working on pixel. I am pissed off. Any workarounds?
It is not compatible with Oreo yet.
Just let them know on their forums:
https://forum.winehq.org/viewforum.php?f=2
NoobInToto said:
It is here,
https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/android/
But ain't working on pixel. I am pissed off. Any workarounds?
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Look into Crossover. It uses WINE. http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/07/crossover-android-chrome-os-enters-open-beta/
skawtnyc said:
Look into Crossover. It uses WINE. http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/07/crossover-android-chrome-os-enters-open-beta/
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Unfortunately, it is not for ARM devices...
I hope they'll update it so it's compatible with Android Oreo devices.
Looks like the new WIne 3.0 is ARM-compatible, and has been compiled for ARM devices:
https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/android/
I have Oreo on my Nexus 7 2013, wine works, tried to install some apps but no luck, only errors. Internet Explorer works, but i see only blank white web pages
numbazZ said:
I have Oreo on my Nexus 7 2013, wine works, tried to install some apps but no luck, only errors. Internet Explorer works, but i see only blank white web pages
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what kind if binaries / apps were u trying to run?
nine7nine said:
what kind if binaries / apps were u trying to run?
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Tried Live For Speed installer, also exe from unpacked game, and some photoshop cs6 repack) as i know LFS works good on wine.
Will try something else tomorrow
numbazZ said:
Tried Live For Speed installer, also exe from unpacked game, and some photoshop cs6 repack) will try something else tomorrow
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how about trying actual arm binaries?
ie; windows rt, win8 arm && win10 arm PEs
last I heard, while the wine devs are working on x86 on arm, it wasn't ready - when compared to say; win10 for arm's x86 emulation layer...
I also know that in the past to run x86 binaries in wine on arm, you have to have binfmt_misc enabled in the kernel + qemu (emulator) to make it all work...
not sure, where things are at, at the moment. but I'd try running actual Arm compiled windows app and see if they run.... idk, I can't imagine that Wine is super useful on android yet. that said, I am curious - as I used to maintain buillds and patchsets for wine...
Only binaries compiled for ARM will function under Wine. You can find an updated list in the second post of this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
skawtnyc said:
Only binaries compiled for ARM will function under Wine. You can find an updated list in the second post of this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
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it should be noted, this is specifically windows rt / win8 arm apps... and hasn't been updated in 3yrs.
I suspect that if u were to investigate the windows app store / UWP apps - there are probably a much higher number of windows apps that potentially could run in wine / for arm - but then you would likely require the Microsoft store or some other way to get the apps running in wine (not sure if wine even supports them).
skawtnyc said:
Looks like the new WIne 3.0 is ARM-compatible, and has been compiled for ARM devices:
https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/android/
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It is not pixel compatible, and that is all this thread is about.
NoobInToto said:
It is not pixel compatible, and that is all this thread is about.
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To be honest I only installed it on my Pixel C, not my Pixel phone. Doing so would have been pointless since the resolution makes it very difficult to use. Also there's no way to access the software keyboard, making it even more difficult to use.
Even if you could install it, and those other issues were resolved, it doesn't have a x86 emulation layer so you're pretty much stuck with those old Windows RT apps and not much else. You're looking at something that really doesnt have much more value than proof of concept. I'm probably going to end up migrating my tablet to something like the Pixelbook so I can run Crossover on it and have both android and x86 Windows apps run natively.
skawtnyc said:
To be honest I only installed it on my Pixel C, not my Pixel phone. Doing so would have been pointless since the resolution makes it very difficult to use. Also there's no way to access the software keyboard, making it even more difficult to use.
Even if you could install it, and those other issues were resolved, it doesn't have a x86 emulation layer so you're pretty much stuck with those old Windows RT apps and not much else. You're looking at something that really doesnt have much more value than proof of concept. I'm probably going to end up migrating my tablet to something like the Pixelbook so I can run Crossover on it and have both android and x86 Windows apps run natively.
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Well, I would still like to try it out. If they manage to make it work with windows 10, say, windows 10S , it would be cool, since windows 10 is more touch friendly than 7 . It is in the works I believe, to be made possible via qemu (full arm compatibility). Time will tell.
NoobInToto said:
It is not pixel compatible, and that is all this thread is about.
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NoobInToto said:
Well, I would still like to try it out. If they manage to make it work with windows 10, say, windows 10S , it would be cool, since windows 10 is more touch friendly than 7 . It is in the works I believe, to be made possible via qemu (full arm compatibility). Time will tell.
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My biggest regret about this is that I don't have an emulator to run Diablo II on my tablet. Sure, there are other games, but they don't really capture the experience the same way.
skawtnyc said:
My biggest regret about this is that I don't have an emulator to run Diablo II on my tablet. Sure, there are other games, but they don't really capture the experience the same way.
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I managed to make doom 3 to work on my phone ( I don't recollect which one, pixel or nexus 6p, I switched to pixel about 2 months ago). I am not sure about diablo.
NoobInToto said:
It is not pixel compatible, and that is all this thread is about.
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beyond installing, it doesn't seem to work for me... also, i'm unclear on whether this build is arm64 compatible.? (I know wine has an arm64 preloader though).
skawtnyc said:
Even if you could install it, and those other issues were resolved, it doesn't have a x86 emulation layer so you're pretty much stuck with those old Windows RT apps and not much else. You're looking at something that really doesnt have much more value than proof of concept. I'm probably going to end up migrating my tablet to something like the Pixelbook so I can run Crossover on it and have both android and x86 Windows apps run natively.
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I suspect that running qemu + wine-x86 would be the better route to go (vs wine-arm or running qemu + windows)... i'm not too sure what the overhead would look like, but people are doing it on the rasberry pi 2/3...
it's probably also possible that using some of wine's env variables would improve performance (realtime priviledges for wineserver, critical threads, etc) and patching wine to support other enhancements (which is what I would do anyway, on my linux box).
NoobInToto said:
Well, I would still like to try it out. If they manage to make it work with windows 10, say, windows 10S , it would be cool, since windows 10 is more touch friendly than 7 . It is in the works I believe, to be made possible via qemu (full arm compatibility). Time will tell.
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i'd like to, as well...
technically, you can run qemu + x86 wine on arm, right now. I just don't believe that anyone has packaged it up nicely for android...
and it would require additional manual configuration, init script, possibly a script/wrapper for launching apps too, depending... Another issue would be the vast majority of stock kernels don't have the support or enable stuff that is going to be required... mine suports binfmt_misc (which qemu will require), but i think other stuff may be needed. not positive.
it can't be that hard though, but I don't have much experience with qemu (and none on android), wine on the other hand - lots of experience with on linux. same goes for winelib...
does anyone know how to get access to the internal storage?
I cant even try to install anything, because I dont know where the Wine-Files are located.
Btw I'm using a Lenovo YogaBook
Thanks
trfr3ak said:
does anyone know how to get access to the internal storage?
I cant even try to install anything, because I dont know where the Wine-Files are located.
Btw I'm using a Lenovo YogaBook
Thanks
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you'll have to figure out how to get into your internal storage yourself, but having a a proper file manager helps. you may need root to view the files (I did on my pixel)... also, not sure why you are asking for help for your yogabook in the google pixel forum...? (you probably shouldn't be).
as for where the files are. it's android, so app data is usually stored in /data/data/your.app.name... and this would be where wine installs it's binaries and prefix too. (org.winehq.wine)
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so yeah. looking at the binaries. they are compiled as arm-v7a. ... they should run (although, by default after install, they aren't in the PATH / can't be executed from a terminal)....
I guess maybe the arm64 version just isn't ready at this point && wine-3.0 for arm requires some manual setup on the pixel... might tinker with it later, or look into qemu + wine x86... we'll see

Windows 10 on ARM for Surface RT

Hello.
Microsoft is working on an ARM version of Windows 10. It is already possible to get this working on a Raspberry PI 2.
According to this article:
https://www.modmy.com/developers-successfully-run-windows-10-surface-rt
someobdy managed to get Windows 10 partially working on a Surface RT. Is there any update on this? Considering Microsoft has an ARM version of Windows 10, what are the issues in getting this working?
kephax said:
Hello.
Microsoft is working on an ARM version of Windows 10. It is already possible to get this working on a Raspberry PI 2.
According to this article:
https://www.modmy.com/developers-successfully-run-windows-10-surface-rt
someobdy managed to get Windows 10 partially working on a Surface RT. Is there any update on this? Considering Microsoft has an ARM version of Windows 10, what are the issues in getting this working?
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Windows 10 on ARM is exclusively for ARM64 devices. The version that runs on the raspberry pi 2 is Windows 10 IoT. Win10 iot can run on the surface tablet, but due to lack of apps, it is practically useless.
There is any news about win10 on arm on Surface rt ?
Lord-THX said:
There is any news about win10 on arm on Surface rt ?
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No
Thanks
https://m.ithome.com/html/469731.htm
Here ^^^^
wangxiaohu said:
Here ^^^^
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Does that really work on a Surface 2? I could never get nvpep to work, it would always cause a bluescreen on boot (irql_not_less_or_equal).
I can't download your Surface 2 English WIM from that site, can you tell me if there is there a mirror? Failing that a tip on how you got nvpep working would be interesting
Thanks!
wangxiaohu,
I managed to get your Surface 2 WIM, works great aside from the expected Bluetooth issue. Use the Uart16550tegra driver from Surface RT on Surface 2, once this is installed the Bluetooth will work.
Thanks to Ranomez for the tip
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Does that really work on a Surface 2? I could never get nvpep to work, it would always cause a bluescreen on boot (irql_not_less_or_equal).
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Just spotted where I went wrong. I've been using sdbus.sys and sdstor.sys from a factory Surface 2 RT8.1 install, using these got me to desktop but I could never get nvpep to work without a BSOD on boot. Just noticed the sdbus.sys from the Chinese WIM is older than the one I took from my Surface 2 RT8.1 install.
sdbus 9.3.9600.16497 bad, 9.3.9600.16384 good. Combo of any nvpep and sdbus 9.3.9600.16497 under 15035 will break it.
wangxiaohu said:
https://m.ithome.com/html/469731.htm
Here ^^^^
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Wait what?!? Is this the real Windows 10 ARM Edition running on a Surface RT/2? Not IoT? If so, where did this come from? I thought Windows 10 ARM Edition was ARM64 not ARM32. I can kind of follow it, but relying on browser translation of the page...
domboy said:
Wait what?!? Is this the real Windows 10 ARM Edition running on a Surface RT/2? Not IoT? If so, where did this come from? I thought Windows 10 ARM Edition was ARM64 not ARM32. I can kind of follow it, but relying on browser translation of the page...
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Yes. But it's also last build that can run ARM32. We won't see newer version of Windows 10 on rt most likely.
domboy said:
Wait what?!? Is this the real Windows 10 ARM Edition running on a Surface RT/2? Not IoT? If so, where did this come from? I thought Windows 10 ARM Edition was ARM64 not ARM32. I can kind of follow it, but relying on browser translation of the page...
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_CNR_ said:
Does that really work on a Surface 2? I could never get nvpep to work, it would always cause a bluescreen on boot (irql_not_less_or_equal).
I can't download your Surface 2 English WIM from that site, can you tell me if there is there a mirror? Failing that a tip on how you got nvpep working would be interesting
Thanks!
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Yes it works... There are some caveats not stated in the instruction.
wangxiaohu said:
Yes. But it's also last build that can run ARM32. We won't see newer version of Windows 10 on rt most likely.
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That's really cool! I had no idea there was a build of Windows 10 ARM Edition that would run on the Surface RT/2. Thanks for posting the link to those instructions!
I suspect you're correct about no newer builds. Though considering my old Surface RT is still running RT 8.0 for the jailbreak, any version of 10 would be a lot newer. Am I correct in assuming all the open-source apps compiled for RT (since they're ARM32) would also run on this build of Windows 10? I'm going to have to try this when I get some time.
domboy said:
That's really cool! I had no idea there was a build of Windows 10 ARM Edition that would run on the Surface RT/2. Thanks for posting the link to those instructions!
I suspect you're correct about no newer builds. Though considering my old Surface RT is still running RT 8.0 for the jailbreak, any version of 10 would be a lot newer. Am I correct in assuming all the open-source apps compiled for RT (since they're ARM32) would also run on this build of Windows 10? I'm going to have to try this when I get some time.
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I want to set expectation clear that I still find rt with Windows 10 useless since it's doesn't have any perf improvement. Experience is awful. Camera doesn't work. Photo and Mail apps don't install. Edge browsing is more compatible with sites than IE, but extremely slow.... So, don't bother unless u want to enjoy the 'upgrade' per se.
wangxiaohu said:
I want to set expectation clear that I still find rt with Windows 10 useless since it's doesn't have any perf improvement. Experience is awful. Camera doesn't work. Photo and Mail apps don't install. Edge browsing is more compatible with sites than IE, but extremely slow.... So, don't bother unless u want to enjoy the 'upgrade' per se.
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I appreciate the warning! I am not surprised to hear that it is slow, otherwise Microsoft might have actually released it officially. I probably will wait to try this until I have no other use for the device (once the Netflix app stops working). Still, it's neat to see it is actually possible.
wangxiaohu said:
Yes. But it's also last build that can run ARM32. We won't see newer version of Windows 10 on rt most likely.
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There are apparently newer ARM32 builds but its very unlikely we will ever get to see them and as it stands I think we are lucky to have 15035.
wangxiaohu said:
I want to set expectation clear that I still find rt with Windows 10 useless since it's doesn't have any perf improvement. Experience is awful. Camera doesn't work. Photo and Mail apps don't install. Edge browsing is more compatible with sites than IE, but extremely slow.... So, don't bother unless u want to enjoy the 'upgrade' per se.
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My nvpep troubles:
I found where I was going wrong with my WIM (thanks to your WIM) and what was causing nvpep to trigger a BSOD on boot. I don't understand the underlying cause but I was using sdbus 9.3.9600.16497 from my Surface 2 RT8.1 install (Surface2_BMR_20.2.19.0 recovery media), once I switched to sdbus 9.3.9600.16384 everything was fine.
Once that was sorted I was able to make my own working WIM and I've been playing with making it work as well as possible on my Surface 2:
Error on first boot:
Before allowing 15035 to boot for the first time create a new directory (\EFI\Microsoft\Recovery) and create an empty BCD store there.
Camera fix:
Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Media Foundation\Platform]
"EnableFrameServerMode"=dword:00000000
Bluetooth fix:
Use the Uart16550tegra driver from Surface RT on Surface 2, once this is installed the Bluetooth will work.
Edge Tweaking:
Edge can be made a little better from about:flags - enable canary and allow high memory usage. This is not my tip but it seems to help, only real issue I have with Edge at the moment is YouTube but I've been told to give myTube a try.
Build Expired Nag Window:
Delete File \Windows\System32\LicensingUI.exe
Apps Working:
So far managed to get working the following MS apps: Onedrive, Remote Desktop, Skype, Photos, Camera, Scan, Films & TV, Mail & Calendar. Oh, and also an old version of Maps that still works - GPS is good. Third party apps tried so far - Team Viewer & VLC.
Pictures: https://imgur.com/a/ujnLlFI
List of apps that that seem to work on Windows 10 15035 so far - newer versions may work but would require manifest mods:
Code:
Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_2019.1019.1.0_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe
Microsoft.WindowsStore_11811.1001.2713.0_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe
Microsoft.MicrosoftSkyDrive_17.30.3.0_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe
Microsoft.RemoteDesktop_10.1.1107.0_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe
Microsoft.SkypeApp_12.1815.210.1000_neutral_~_kzf8qxf38zg5c
Microsoft.Windows.Photos_2017.35063.44410.1000_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe
Microsoft.WindowsCamera_2017.727.40.2000_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe
Microsoft.WindowsScan_2014.523.326.3026_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe
Microsoft.ZuneVideo_2019.18052.10711.0_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe
Microsoft.WindowsCommunicationsApps_16005.11001.20116.0_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe.appxbundle
Microsoft.WindowsMaps_4.1509.50912.0
TeamViewer.31414B719FA93_15.0.100.0_neutral_~_89446h4zmeyyt
VideoLAN.VLC_3.2.1.0_neutral_~_paz6r1rewnh0a
Not exactly current in some cases but they still seem to function.
These I have installed but not used. It would be a surprise if the wireless display worked (I don't have the adapter) and I'm not a telegram user but will sign up to test later.
Code:
Microsoft.SurfaceWirelessDisplayAdapter_3.4.137.1000_neutral_~_8wekyb3d8bbwe
38833FF26BA1D.UnigramPreview_3.6.2286.0_neutral_~_g9c9v27vpyspw
I'm not really a big app user so I've just been adding stuff to make 15035 feel a little less empty
There is this version of Maps:
Code:
Microsoft.WindowsMaps_2017.1003.1829.0_neutral
Should work on 15035 but it requires 15063 as a minimum to install and I have not looked into what's required to modify the manifest, repack and sign yet. For the moment I've focused on what will work without too much trouble.
Qiangong2 said:
No
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@Qiangong2
Are you going to try this? Need your feedback.
k4955 said:
@Qiangong2
Are you going to try this? Need your feedback.
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I tried but the install was so glitchy that I reverted back to RT 8.1.
Qiangong2 said:
I tried but the install was so glitchy that I reverted back to RT 8.1.
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Once installed its not bad, I've got a dual boot setup on my Surface 2 just to be on the safe side though.

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