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Notice for s-off/SunShine
SunShine 2.8.1 and up include WeakSauce2 , and no longer require you to use this APK. If you came here to get WS2 to use with SunShine, no need, as it will have it built in.
For Verizon devices only, run WS2, and it will get root. It will try and reroot each reboot.
WeakSauce 2.0: The Habanero's Revenge by @beaups and @jcase
Wanna donate for this effort? sent via paypal to [email protected]
This is a variant of Weaksauce that evades HTC's patches. We were saving it for 5.0, but HTC has patched in in 5.0.
It will work on most verizon HTC devices, HTC DNA, m7 m8 and others.
If SunShine won't work for you now, please wait for the 3.0 release, we are aiming for (but no promises) early january.
All those hating us about charging for SunShine (http://theroot.ninja), please ignore weaksauce 2, since we developed it too.
Install WeakSauce2, run, install supersu. WeakSauce2 will reroot each boot.
FAQ
Q: OMG YOU GUYS ROCK YOU ARE JUST ELITE BOSSES
A: Sir, we know and this isnt a question.
Q: I use ART And blah blah it doesn't work
A: Yeah ART hates my build setup
Q: The SU binaries are out of date and it wont let me update them
A: Yeah i know, ill fix that soon
Nice work jcase, I went head and bought the sunshine license this morning and went that route, thanks for all your work
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Thank You now i can hopefully give you my 25 dollars lol
Nice work guys i figured youd get 4.4.4 cracked
wileout said:
Nice work guys i figured youd get 4.4.4 cracked
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Been cracked since before release
In the form of a question....
What is OMG YOU GUYS ROCK YOU ARE JUST ELITE BOSSES?
Sorry..... too early in the morning and I couldn't resist.
Awesome work!! Thank you very much!
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I one of the unlucky ones (verizon) stuck on 4.4.4 with s-on so i had nothing to lose. Ran weaksauce2, let it reboot, ran sunshine, let it do it's thing, success - S-OFF
xsteven77x said:
Awesome work!! Thank you very much!
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I one of the unlucky ones (verizon) stuck on 4.4.4 with s-on so i had nothing to lose. Ran weaksauce2, let it reboot, ran sunshine, let it do it's thing, success - S-OFF
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Second vzw user confirming right now too.
@jcase I missed the part about Santa in the faqs.
dottat said:
Second vzw user confirming right now too.
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Are you guys on factory installed 4.4.4 on devices that have never been s-off/unlocked??
beaups said:
Are you guys on factory installed 4.4.4 on devices that have never been s-off/unlocked??
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They are. @beaups anyone who turned it back on should try my s-on vzw ruu and then re-running this process too probably.
dottat said:
They are.
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I don't know whether to laugh at HTC or be embarrassed for not testing on my VZW device.
beaups said:
I don't know whether to laugh at HTC or be embarrassed for not testing on my VZW device.
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Laugh and celebrate. Gotta love the chase.
Nice u guys r brainiacs now everyone can have fun [emoji106]
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Stock vzw 4.4.4 confirmed s-off. Thanks so much for all your work @jcase & @beaups
Thanks so much! Was finally able to use Sunshine on my Verizon 4.4.4. M8!! Great Work!
im incorperating WS2 into sunshine right now. I'm on generator power and internet is on/off, but it should be seamless once i get it up
i'm on vzw 4.4.4 and no dice for me says "at this time sunshine can not work on your phone, this is a known issue and we are working to address it.
looks like im waiting till after the 1st .
great development so far guys. cant wait for the future release
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im incorperating WS2 into sunshine right now. I'm on generator power and internet is on/off, but it should be seamless once i get it up
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BOOYEAH!!! It works like a charm!!
I just picked up another M8 a couple days ago, a warranty replacement device I found on Craigslist. It was 4.4.4 (and untampered with) when I got it. Thanks to all your hard work, it's now unlocked and S-off. Now, I can install CleanRom and get rid of all the bloat!
Oh, and I have NO qualms about giving you the $25 for your efforts! :good:
Do you guys think this can work on my 4.4 3 HTC__332?? Because I already tried sunshine before with no success but this weaksouce don't
marken said:
Do you guys think this can work on my 4.4 3 HTC__332?? Because I already tried sunshine before with no success but this weaksouce don't
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No.
http://www.androidcentral.com/android-50-lollipop-rolls-out-htc-one-m8-verizon
Great to hear, looking forward to the new radios
update for GSM
hey!Im currently using this phone on a gsm carrier. .anyway i can update the phone directly by putting it in CDMA mode or something?Or do i need to wait for a RUU to flash?Thanks!
Has anyone been able to get the ota update from verizon ?
I went back to completely stock 4.4.4 rom with no system roms removed, stock 4.4.4 recovery and I flashed back to 4.4.4 firmware and the verizon ota updates keeps coming up that I have the latest software.
I know its out because verizon itself even shows it on the net going over the update in detail. They even show you can also get the update through the htc sync software by plugging your m8 in to yuour computer usb port and downloading the update. Which the htc sync software keeps showing no update either.
It would show a repair software option though which I tried that knowing I would still have s-off even if they did relock my bootloader because I could change my cid and use htc dev to unlock that if I needed to.
Anyone have any luck going back to stock and taking the LP ota from verizon ?
M9guy said:
Has anyone been able to get the ota update from verizon ?
I went back to completely stock 4.4.4 rom with no system roms removed, stock 4.4.4 recovery and I flashed back to 4.4.4 firmware and the verizon ota updates keeps coming up that I have the latest software.
I know its out because verizon itself even shows it on the net going over the update in detail. They even show you can also get the update through the htc sync software by plugging your m8 in to yuour computer usb port and downloading the update. Which the htc sync software keeps showing no update either.
It would show a repair software option though which I tried that knowing I would still have s-off even if they did relock my bootloader because I could change my cid and use htc dev to unlock that if I needed to.
Anyone have any luck going back to stock and taking the LP ota from verizon ?
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Just be careful when flashing the new lollipop. Jcase has said get root before flashing lollipop.
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No mention of enabling VoLTE...
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
No mention of enabling VoLTE...
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That would be most annoying if they did not. Seems like other handsets the same age have it. If this is a ploy by HTC to get you to keep buying phones I might reconsider another HTC..
carm01 said:
Seems like other handsets the same age have it. If this is a ploy by HTC to get you to keep buying phones I might reconsider another HTC..
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The Lollipop update to the AT&T version of the M8 has VoLTE, indicating it's probably a carrier thing more than an HTC thing.
FoxFi
Does anyone know if FoxFi will still work after the Lollipop Update?
Has anyone actually received it? Droid-Life said it started rolling out last night.
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The Lollipop update to the AT&T version of the M8 has VoLTE, indicating it's probably a carrier thing more than an HTC thing.
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Imagine Verizon ruining the experience.. like their bloatware lolz
I wonder since it has not been tweeted, and stated on the HTC site if vzw prematurely posted the update info page on their site?
carm01 said:
Imagine Verizon ruining the experience.. like their bloatware lolz
I wonder since it has not been tweeted, and stated on the HTC site if vzw prematurely posted the update info page on their site?
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The sites reporting it as already rolling out should wait until someone actually gets it.
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I wonder since it has not been tweeted, and stated on the HTC site if vzw prematurely posted the update info page on their site?
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Probably. HTC's update page still says that it's in the "3 - Certification stage of the Android Lollipop Release."
Although Mo Versi did say to expect it the first week of March. So must be close.
I just ordered an m8 from Verizon and I really hope it didn't come with lollipop.
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Mo Versi replied this morning: "It's approved, you should receive the OTA soon. Thanks!"
Pretty sure one site saw that the lollipop documentation was up and just assumed the ota was released and then all the other sites just copy and pasted it and now its a runaway train. And it being approved is not the same as the update being pushed out. Pretty sure we got played as far as getting it today.
Alton (Halo 2) said:
I just ordered an m8 from Verizon and I really hope it didn't come with lollipop.
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You'll be fine, just Sunshine before you accidentally hit update.
Just wait until our devs get their hands on the update that you dont shoot yourself in the foot
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You'll be fine, just Sunshine before you accidentally hit update.
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Will it ship with the first firmware ? (4.4.2) or the latest? (4.4.4)?
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Alton (Halo 2) said:
Will it ship with the first firmware ? (4.4.2) or the latest? (4.4.4)?
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At this point your odds are 4.4.4. There is practically zero chance of it having lolligagger on it.
Lollipop is coming any minute now and it's funny because I just started looking into rooting my phone, but should I just wait and upgrade my phone first or does that mean all the "roots" will be out of date?
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Lollipop is coming any minute now and it's funny because I just started looking into rooting my phone, but should I just wait and upgrade my phone first or does that mean all the "roots" will be out of date?
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If you accept the OTA update, it is highly unlikely you will be able to achieve root or S-OFF.
Root or S-off?
The simple answer is you should never wait. Bird in hand is better than a possible one in the bush.
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Root or S-off?
The simple answer is you should never wait. Bird in hand is better than a possible one in the bush.
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well on that note I guess ill just update lollipop since its easier than all this rooting **** lmao
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well on that note I guess ill just update lollipop since its easier than all this rooting **** lmao
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Actually.. if your device is supported by sunshine it doesn't get any easier than that. An app to s-off. An app to install root.
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Actually.. if your device is supported by sunshine it doesn't get any easier than that. An app to s-off. An app to install root.
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Yea I'm a total noob when it comes to rooting as I've never done it before. Are you saying I just have to pay for Sunshine, run it and then run something else and it will be rooted? Won't the lollipop update make it so I can't root until the proper updates are made??
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Yea I'm a total noob when it comes to rooting as I've never done it before. Are you saying I just have to pay for Sunshine, run it and then run something else and it will be rooted? Won't the lollipop update make it so I can't root until the proper updates are made??
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you should try sunshine while you still can. It will tell you if it's compatible before asking for paypal info. IF you jump to lollipop you will have to wait even longer for sunshine.
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you should try sunshine while you still can. It will tell you if it's compatible before asking for paypal info. IF you jump to lollipop you will have to wait even longer for sunshine.
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I guess the fact that it costs $25 and I'm worried I will brick my phone make me not want to do it (I'm only 18). Thanks for all the help though I think I understand rooting better now and hopefully I will do it in the future when I'm less afraid lmao
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I guess the fact that it costs $25 and I'm worried I will brick my phone make me not want to do it (I'm only 18). Thanks for all the help though I think I understand rooting better now and hopefully I will do it in the future when I'm less afraid lmao
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if you put it off you might not be able to in the future..... it will NOT charge unless it knows it can work.
dottat said:
if you put it off you might not be able to in the future..... it will NOT charge unless it knows it can work.
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Why won't I be able to do it in the future? Don't people always eventually find a way to root, it just takes time?
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Why won't I be able to do it in the future? Don't people always eventually find a way to root, it just takes time?
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There's no guarantee you'll be able to do it in the future. More than likely HTC has plugged the hole that Sunshine exploited on previous versions of the OS. There maybe another version of Sunshine waiting in the wings but I wouldn't count on it. Jcase (one of the 2 devs who came up with Sunshine) tweeted last week that if you want to s-off, better do it before the lollipop update. That's about all he said about it so I don't know if that means you're out of luck if you don't or not. It could be they have another version that they're holding back until the update is rolled out but they have no way of knowing if it will work for sure on official lollipop since nobody has received it yet. Or it could be that they've gotten a leaked version somehow and can't find a way in. Whatever the case, If you want s-off I would suggest you heed his warning and get it now while/if you can.
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There is no promise that a new exploit will be found. There isn't always someone doing the work to find an exploit. A great example is the SGS3 which after its last OTA updated was locked down tight and nobody ever bothered to find an exploit for it, and that's how it's been ever since. Sunshine and root are extremely low risk. I'd definitely do it just like Dottat suggested. The guy knows his stuff and wouldn't give you errant advice.
Verizon is rolling out Stagefright OTA patch for Galaxy S5. I installed and tested the patch. My phone is stock/un-rooted, and appears to be working fine after the patch.
What android version?
G900VVRU2BOG5 is the new update VZ rolling out...
I have captured the update.zip OTA ..
Let me know if some needs for research. .
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JavaManRules-GS4 said:
G900VVRU2BOG5 is the new update VZ rolling out...
I have captured the update.zip OTA ..
Let me know if some needs for research. .
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I think you missed posting in a couple hundred other threads...
Or you can just use viper4android, kill stagefright, and tell Verizon, "Thanks, but no thanks--I'm in this for _me_ now."
I am not entirely sure what that means, but man, the day when this contract ends cannot come soon enough.
What version of android OS are we at now with all these updates? Is it still 5.0???
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What version of android OS are we at now with all these updates? Is it still 5.0???
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5.0.2 I think... but does this mean the OE1 unrootable phone is fixed? Can the G900Vs with this build be rooted now?
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What version of android OS are we at now with all these updates? Is it still 5.0???
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Pretty sure it's still 5.0. I don't think the S5 will be getting any more updates, it's at the end of its software cycle since 5.0, this update was only released for the stagefright fix.
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5.0.2 I think... but does this mean the OE1 unrootable phone is fixed? Can the G900Vs with this build be rooted now?
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No. Verizon's own custom OE1 is the reason that it's not rootable. Once you have the OE1 Kernel or higher, you cannot root unless they find another exploit. I doubt they will considering it's an older phone that's already being phased out in terms of support.
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5.0.2 I think... but does this mean the OE1 unrootable phone is fixed? Can the G900Vs with this build be rooted now?
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You forgot "Am I currently dreaming? ? Bfkddg? ? "
So... no carbon rom.... Do I need to take my phone back since I still have about 9 days and get something different, or deal with it...?
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So... no carbon rom.... Do I need to take my phone back since I still have about 9 days and get something different, or deal with it...?
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If it doesn't already exist for this phone, it won't in the future.
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If it doesn't already exist for this phone, it won't in the future.
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It does exist, but my phone cant be rooted now...
Which brings me to my next question...
As of today, which Verizon Phones can be rooted still?
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So... no carbon rom.... Do I need to take my phone back since I still have about 9 days and get something different, or deal with it...?
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Take it back. You have a "new" phone that basically has no support for it anymore. If you have something to use currently other than the S5, I'd consider waiting till the new Google Nexus 5 or 6 2015 edition coming out this year. That should have root and an unlocked bootloader (Google wouldn't stand for Verizon locking down their phone).
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It does exist, but my phone cant be rooted now...
Which brings me to my next question...
As of today, which Verizon Phones can be rooted still?
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You would have to find a phone you like, go to that forum, and check. I believe any phone with an unlocked bootloader can always be rooted? And I'm pretty sure the Google nexus 5/6 (the old ones) will always be rootable.
I'm jumping ship from Samsung (I wanted to move to the Note at one point, but Samsung screwed up big time with their phones trying to make it like an iPhone, and with Samsung/Verizon in bed with locking up root/bootloader).
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If it doesn't already exist for this phone, it won't in the future.
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Spartan117H3 said:
Take it back. You have a "new" phone that basically has no support for it anymore. If you have something to use currently other than the S5, I'd consider waiting till the new Google Nexus 5 or 6 2015 edition coming out this year. That should have root and an unlocked bootloader (Google wouldn't stand for Verizon locking down their phone).
You would have to find a phone you like, go to that forum, and check. I believe any phone with an unlocked bootloader can always be rooted? And I'm pretty sure the Google nexus 5/6 (the old ones) will always be rootable.
I'm jumping ship from Samsung (I wanted to move to the Note at one point, but Samsung screwed up big time with their phones trying to make it like an iPhone, and with Samsung/Verizon in bed with locking up root/bootloader).
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What about the HTC One M8 and M9. Are they rootable? I just want to be able to customize more than my wallpaper and font.. I want themes and color schemes and message skins that aren't apps because that drains my battery.
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What about the HTC One M8 and M9. Are they rootable? I just want to be able to customize more than my wallpaper and font.. I want themes and color schemes and message skins that aren't apps because that drains my battery.
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There's a search bar at the top of XDA where you can enter a device. It also allows you to specify which carrier as well. This is from the M9 forum. Says you need a JAVA card which is expensive, but it unlocks the phone/allows root. You can also donate (usually $20-60) users to do it for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...t-s-off-how-root-s-off-verizon-m9-20-t3123178
I have no idea about the M8, seems to be the same, have to have S-OFF or whatever the heck that means. Do research yourself if you want the phone.
I don't think I saw anyone ask this yet...
If I'm currently rooted with OE1, can i take this update and stay rooted? or will i loose root and not be able to get root again?
thanks
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owenrg said:
I don't think I saw anyone ask this yet...
If I'm currently rooted with OE1, can i take this update and stay rooted? or will i loose root and not be able to get root again?
thanks
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Follow the instructions in muniz_ri's thread. He hasn't released the deodexed version though. You should never take ota when rooted, and you should actually have it disabled as soon as you root. One user reported that they ota updated without losing root, but I'd never recommend it.
There is no benefit in disabling it. You have to authorize any update, so it cannot overwrite it on its own. The only reason to disable it is the popup after an update comes out which can be stopped by deleting the update.zip then having the install fail.
Two or three updates ago, I lost the ability to rotate my screen unless an app forces it to rotate, now with this update my phone no longer reads sd cards, and in fact boot loops if there is one inserted. I've done a lot of searching, both when the initial problem manifested, and now with the new problem, but haven't seen anyone with a fix. Any suggestions?
Verizon sm-g900v, latest update g900vvru2bog5,
Mo Versi @moversi
Verizon HTC One (M8) Owners! Marshmallow OS coming on 3/7! TA received today - Great work @ARPU31
Link to tweet:
https://twitter.com/SantodMods/status/705562421344120832
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For custom rom users, particular those using NuSenSeVen, is there a way to get the OTA on 3/7 or is it better to just wait for enterprising young developers to debloat and release a rooted rom?
jakegub said:
For custom rom users, particular those using NuSenSeVen, is there a way to get the OTA on 3/7 or is it better to just wait for enterprising young developers to debloat and release a rooted rom?
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Personally I would just wait for the debloated rooted ROM.
need some help
My software number on verizon htc one m8 is 3.28.605.4 , i wanted to update via phone system update > check new , but its not happening .
Please let me know how i can update my software manually .
Thanks
I wonder if we're getting VoLTE (Advanced Calling 1.0), and Free visual voicemail with the update?
bigblueshock said:
I wonder if we're getting VoLTE (Advanced Calling 1.0), and Free visual voicemail with the update?
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Not sure about either but you're probably better off using Google Voice for voicemail anyway. It's free, accessible on any device, and does text translations.
dante020 said:
Not sure about either but you're probably better off using Google Voice for voicemail anyway. It's free, accessible on any device, and does text translations.
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I've always wanted to try, but what if my Google Voice number is different than my regular phone number? I have them separate. Also, I wouldn't necessarily want to fully port my verizon number to google voice. Am I thinking too much into it?
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I've always wanted to try, but what if my Google Voice number is different than my regular phone number? I have them separate. Also, I wouldn't necessarily want to fully port my verizon number to google voice. Am I thinking too much into it?
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That's what I'm doing. It's been a while, but essentially what you do is forward unanswered calls to Google Voice which takes care of the voicemail part. You can get voicemail on your phone through Hangouts or on any browser in Gmail or Google Voice. You might want to check out this link - https://support.google.com/voice/answer/165656?hl=en
Sorry for off topic :good:
Is it possible that MM will allow those of us still s-on and unrooted to root and s-off without sunshine? I was dropped from asurion nearly a year ago, so, if I'm going to buy sunshine, I'm going to wait till I get a replacement device. Hoping that I'll be able to root for free with MM though!
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Is it possible that MM will allow those of us still s-on and unrooted to root and s-off without sunshine? I was dropped from asurion nearly a year ago, so, if I'm going to buy sunshine, I'm going to wait till I get a replacement device. Hoping that I'll be able to root for free with MM though!
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S-OFF will not be free because of MM...
As soon as someone sees the update being pushed out, please let us know.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/htc-one-m8-update/
I've been trying to understand that page for the past 20 minutes... lol.
I thought our latest update with stage fright patch was 4.17.605.9. That official Verizon page shows two other versions...
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http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/htc-one-m8-update/
I've been trying to understand that page for the past 20 minutes... lol.
I thought our latest update with stage fright patch was 4.17.605.9. That official Verizon page shows two other versions...
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Marshmallow is a two part update.
Pre-update and actual update.
Those are the two versions shown there...
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dante020 said:
Not sure about either but you're probably better off using Google Voice for voicemail anyway. It's free, accessible on any device, and does text translations.
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Marshmallow is a two part update.
Pre-update and actual update.
Those are the two versions shown there...
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Ah yes, the pre-update.
I can't wait. When Marshmallow comes out and a stock rooted RUU is released, I am going to do a factory reset and wipe within stock recovery as well. This will clean up everything, fresh NV partition as well as new radios.
Can't go wrong!!
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Ah yes, the pre-update.
I can't wait. When Marshmallow comes out and a stock rooted RUU is released, I am going to do a factory reset and wipe within stock recovery as well. This will clean up everything, fresh NV partition as well as new radios.
Can't go wrong!!
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I should be able to get that posted today....
T-Mobile update rolled out early this morning. Nothing yet from Verizon.
just lou said:
T-Mobile update rolled out early this morning. Nothing yet from Verizon.
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VZW is typically noon EST or later.. and usually right on an hour.
Awwwwww man! Time to bust out Titanium Backup... or, wait... isn't that NOT a good idea with MM? What's the best mechanism going to be to back up my Lollipop system? I have a ton of apps that won't restore properly from the cloud, gotta manually back up.
Gurm said:
Awwwwww man! Time to bust out Titanium Backup... or, wait... isn't that NOT a good idea with MM? What's the best mechanism going to be to back up my Lollipop system? I have a ton of apps that won't restore properly from the cloud, gotta manually back up.
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I've flashed between mm builds a few times and I always have the play store download and install my user apps automatically as part of the first time initialization then I use tibu to restore their data. I restore very little system app data (just android id & sms/mms usually) I've never had a problem.