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Htc SuperStar with a NVIDIA AP16 chipset!!!

has any one read this and what are your thoughts on it. http://tiltmobility.com/htc-device-specs-leaked-out/
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TiltMobility said:
From one of our many resources hidden deep within the “bush” we bring to you a spreadsheet with some handy info on it… All the specs, names and chipsets of the upcoming HTC releases.
I am very curious about the Star and SuperStar… And I am VERY intrigued by the NVIDIA AP16 chipset.
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well i hope it comes with a keyboard hope just hope. most likely wont. what are your thoughts on this??? I was ready for a touch pro 2 now im not that sure any more.

Saw the same article over at PocketNow. Looks like we're finally getting some nVidia devices. Looks like I'm skipping most of the new phones this year to get that device.

do wish they at least get a leaked pic i wanna see it first 2 see if i should pass the pro 2 or not

Wow, that superstar w/ nVidia is very interesting news!

Wow!!
Interesting news!
Hope soon we can have a look to Superstar and Star
Thanks for sharing,

rip off. way to many phones with similar functions and programs. not forgetting similar issues which has to be solved by xda. but still i love it

That Star looks like the previously leaked Firestone.
Presumably the Star and SuperStar are related - I hope that the SuperStar isn't basically a Star with a keyboard...
Anyway, that's my phone shopping on hold until we find out more about the SuperStar.

The Thoth is 1ghz. The article/leak is from MobilityDigest which is affiliated with fuzemobility.com and tiltmobility.com - it was picked up by a bunch of other sites

aw man, the Nvidia device BETTER have FULL drivers for ALL of the S.O.C. or there'll be hell to pay
to make up for HTC's bull**** over the driver issue, they can make it an Android device to please me.
then i'll forget the whole HTC and Qualcomm in bed whoring incident.

when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp

Tabbe said:
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
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whilst there have been various devices with dedicated (extra) graphics chips like the goforce550 and gofroce6100, this nvidia chip is a SINGLE S.O.C. designed entirely by them based on an ARM CPU design.
there is a MUCH higher chance that nVidia provide documentation for their own SOC than compared to a secondary chip that goes into a device with a CPU they didn't design.
i'm hopeful anyway. if it's not going to be Snapgragon that provides the performance and features we want, it will be Nvidia, or samsung, or marvel......
someone will make what we enthusiasts want. and we will buy it

thinking positive is good
but they should still release doc on the secondary chip first as reputation for them is bad
base on brand is good & end consumers always think its better, but not for developers who have bad experiences when email to nvidia, they dont even bother to reply
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374678

Tabbe said:
thinking positive is good
but they should still release doc on the secondary chip first as reputation for them is bad
base on brand is good & end consumers always think its better, but not for developers who have bad experiences when email to nvidia, they dont even bother to reply
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374678
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whilst i do agree with that business practice, it seems most mobile makers are well aware of the fact that most people are dumb sheep and have short memories.
the people will by whatever the current media tells them to. look at iphone sales, in America Apple have an easier time to sell it to Americans because they are less knowledgeable about such things.
in Europe and Asia it isn't selling so well because the people there know more and don't fall for such hype. in Asia you can buy un unlocked iphone for 1/2 the price of a subsidized USA iphone.
enthusiasts like us are a very small minority so we will always get the best available for our needs. unfortunately i've been unable to find my needs, but that will change by the end of the year

Tabbe said:
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
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So how about MSM 7200A? for GF5500 at least tcpmp has full hardware acceleration for MPEG SP/ AVC Baseline, but AFAIK there's ONLY overlay support for MSM 7200A right now.

eoc said:
So how about MSM 7200A? for GF5500 at least tcpmp has full hardware acceleration for MPEG SP/ AVC Baseline, but AFAIK there's ONLY overlay support for MSM 7200A right now.
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with the devices that have the older goforce dedicated graphics silicone, the hardware is used for almost nothing. on the O2 Flame the camera uses it for photos(at least the viewfinder, probably not even for JPEG acceleration), but not video codec acceleration at all.
TCMP may use the goforce, thoughi never heard of it using the chip, just the MSM72xx's built-in graphics chip.
for all the goforce devices, the devices never used it. not even for more than a few games. the desktop/today screen, all of the 2D things you do with the devices like displaying menus,browser screens, scrolling.......never accelerated. ther CPU does all the work, taking more time (worse performance), and more battery (worse battery time)
a total waste of battery and chip.
this is why i believe there is a better chance of Nvidia's SOC having the full drivers to use the graphics part because it's an entirely owned SOC from one company, not an additional chip where they're not responsible for making sure the device performs.
Nvidia will have the the whole SOC to be accountable for and that means they are in a position where they are more expected to perform.
have a look at the videos where Nvidia shows off the Tegra series chip and think that they're showing a reference platform with one of their own designed interfaces for developers to use the code.
this is much more involved compared to Qualcomm and other chip makers that don't usually do anything except make the chips and provide a single reference driver. Nvidia is being very involved in the chip AND the software development.
their desktop graphics chips have very good software support for developers. think "the way it's meant to be played" campaign, CUDA,etc
Nvidia make chips, and make software to use them.
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...search_sort=relevance&search_category=0&page=

Tabbe said:
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
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I have the same concerns.

so is this the chipset we should be excited about? i now see people complaining about this nvidia chipset because the cpu is weaker compared to other upcoming phones. is that even true? i've yet to see a single video of any other chipset thats half as impressive as nvidia's.

xtop said:
so is this the chipset we should be excited about? i now see people complaining about this nvidia chipset because the cpu is weaker compared to other upcoming phones. is that even true? i've yet to see a single video of any other chipset thats half as impressive as nvidia's.
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it's possible (i'm thinking ~70%) that this is the chip as i believe it has the best chance of having full driver support from Nvidia.
even though by the time it comes out (later this year) it'll be almost a year late from it's announcement, it'll still be a contender.
the ARM11 CPU core will only have to do the normal CPU functions like in a desktop CPU, because the TEGRA has dedicated silicone for all the rest of the accelerated goodness that IS in Qualcomm MSM72xx chips, but sadly not used.
there are next gen chips from Qualcomm (snapdragon), TI (OMAP 3 & 4), Samsung,Marvel......
they all have good chips coming out, but it looks like Nvidia could have one of the best for a good few months.
the only other contender in the near future (for the rest of this year) is Snapdragon. that is a beast built on ARM's Cortex unit (like some of TI's & other chips coming later), and looks to be the only other chip to consider this year.
being Qualcomm, i'm not entirely hopeful they will change their behavior regarding driver support. their business model stinks and Nvidia have the upper hand with regard to providing hardware AND software support.
so for me, for this year, i like Snapdragon's hardware, but i love the idea of the Nvidia chip. it's the mos promising better balance.
let's hope it gets enough design wins and a few decent devices come out to show what Nvidia can do in this new market for them.
Nvidia showed what could be done with TEGRA running a netbook compared to Intel's Atom, it shamed it in the power efficiency stakes! if Nvidia can get some design wins, they may pull of their $99 netbook promise.

thanks p3ngwin, thats basically how i was feeling about tegra. i knew snapdragon was probably going to be the competition, but from what i was reading on other forums there was a lot of debate about which one was going to be better.
but from what i've seen from snapdragon compared to tegra, i don't know why anyone should be impressed with snapdragon.

xtop said:
thanks p3ngwin, thats basically how i was feeling about tegra. i knew snapdragon was probably going to be the competition, but from what i was reading on other forums there was a lot of debate about which one was going to be better.
but from what i've seen from snapdragon compared to tegra, i don't know why anyone should be impressed with snapdragon.
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snapdragon is a very powerful SOC, there are even netbooks being made with it just like TEGRA.
it's just that having the chip is not enough, the software needs to take advantage of all that power and that's where the idea of Qualcomm's snapdragon instantly gives me a sour state in my mouth.
Nvidia are new to this SOC biz, and i'm willing to forgive them for the crap devices other manufacturers made with the goforce series. Nvidia can make the chips and provide software, but they aren't in a position to demand it's optimal use as much as say MS can with a whole OS.
qualcomm and HTC had a deal on a ****-load of volume MSM72xx chips and HTC made truck loads of devices based on them. Qualcomm had a lousy business ethic regarding cost of chips and supporting software, and HTC were ok with that.
here's hoping Nvida have a better way of doing business.

[PROJ] Overclocking the Adreno GPU on Snapdragon Devices

I already posted this in the Nexus dev forum, and I hate to clutter the boards, but I know that there are a bunch of talented devs here that may not see it on those forums. If we can bust the 30fps cap for good, and get the GPU overclocked, then we could see some serious gaming performance out of our Snapdragon devices.
I'm sure we all heard about being able to overclock the GPU on some of the old MSM devices, but the Snapdragon handles the graphics chip in a different way. The goal of this thread is to try and overclock the GPU on Snapdragon devices as well.
There is nothing GPU related in acpuclock-scorpion.c (the Snapdragon cpu clock settings) at least for setting gpu clock speed as far as I can tell.
In board-mahimahi.c (Nexus board file) and board-supersonic.c (Evo board file) there is some kgsl init code, but so far as I can tell it isn't setting the clock there, instead it seems to be pointing to PWR_RAIL_GRP_CLK to set the clock in both devices. It defines the variable in each of those files but I'm not sure where that variable is set, since it doesn't seem to be in any of the other board files as far as I can tell. I could be completely off here too though.
In drivers/video/msm/gpu/kgsl/kgsl.c there is a method called kgsl_clk_enable that seems to be called whenever the GPU is enabled. It looks like this:
Code:
/* the hw and clk enable/disable funcs must be either called from softirq or
* with mutex held */
static void kgsl_clk_enable(void)
{
//clk_set_rate(kgsl_driver.ebi1_clk, 128000000);
clk_set_rate(kgsl_driver.ebi1_clk, 245000000); // Looks like it sets the GPU clock, right? Wrong.
clk_enable(kgsl_driver.imem_clk); // Enable the clock
clk_enable(kgsl_driver.grp_clk); // Enable another clock, but why?
}
The line that's been commented out is the original value, I replaced it with my value on the line below it in a failed attempt to overclock it. Probably a stupid effort on my part, I doubt it's that simple, but it was worth a shot. The comments at the end of the line are also my additions.
According to the clk.h files in the standard linux kernel, clk_set_rate is obviously a method to set the clock rate. The first variable is a struct that tells it which clock to set, and the second variable is a long value that is the rate you want it set at. Is it setting the right clock there for Snapdragon chips? Or is it only the clock for older chips?
I'm in way over my head with this source, I'm but a lowly Java dev, but I really wanna solve this. Can anyone with a little more experience than me throw in a little more info? Sorry if it doesn't make much sense, if it isn't clear just ask me & I'll try to explain a little more.
Regards,
Jesse C.
EDIT: Okay I did a little more digging and those kgsl settings should work for QSD8x50 chips. In the config file, under Drivers, Graphics Support, it allows you to enable 3D accelleration for QSD8x50 & MSM7x27 chips. The tag for that is CONFIG_MSM_KGSL_MMU. If you check in kgsl.c it checks to see if that is enabled in the config, and if it is then it compiles and uses kgsl.c & all of the kgsl code. That tells me that the clock is either not being set, or the wrong clock is being set. I'm adding some debug code right now so I can see in dmesg what code is actually being run.

Dude I have no idea how to do this but bump and best of luck
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Isn't this Helping ? http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=androidhtc/kernel.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/arm/mach-msm/clock-7x00.c;h=ef178abfcd46cf78dd47962d75298691f887ebf2;hp=d68fea09d1996daeff99365ced9785d65b1cb001;hb=23ff83048726252bc785699fc749a3e364a3bdb0;hpb=110e73c591db3fd23d8558659f8a6a0dfe5ba912
It looks like here he sets the clock writel(grp,MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE+0x84); 0x84
And here is the Orginal topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697673..

fstluxe said:
Isn't this Helping ? http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=androidhtc/kernel.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/arm/mach-msm/clock-7x00.c;h=ef178abfcd46cf78dd47962d75298691f887ebf2;hp=d68fea09d1996daeff99365ced9785d65b1cb001;hb=23ff83048726252bc785699fc749a3e364a3bdb0;hpb=110e73c591db3fd23d8558659f8a6a0dfe5ba912
It looks like here he sets the clock writel(grp,MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE+0x84); 0x84
And here is the Orginal topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697673..
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Yeah I saw that, but that won't work for us, because it is for one of the old MSM7500 chips instead of the new QSD chips we have in Snapdragon devices.
I am working on a few things now and I recommend you check the Nexus forum since that thread is a lot more active.

Geniusdog254 said:
Yeah I saw that, but that won't work for us, because it is for one of the old MSM7500 chips instead of the new QSD chips we have in Snapdragon devices.
I am working on a few things now and I recommend you check the Nexus forum since that thread is a lot more active.
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okey, But as far as I know that code is not standard... Becouse the Vugue msm7500 device is originally WM device.. so the Smart dzo managed this custom code.
I wil follow the nexus form .. This is Damn interesting !

i wish you guys the best of luck..wish i could help..i love xda..lol

I'm going to bump this, would be nice if more people were working on this.

Man... I absolutely love my phone. It really sux that this even needs to be asked. This device is so much more capable and I cannot understand why HTC would cripple it so badly. Look at the Samsung galaxy s or the Droid x. Or even a more similar phone like the nexus or incredible. They all stomp this phone when it comes to anything graphics wise even if it is just swiping home screens. It makes me sad. Lol

I love how it makes you sad, but you still lol. Lol (correctly placed)
This is big but first let's get a true cap fix!
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How is there such little interest in this subject? This intergrated gpu will probably overclock like a beast... and maybe we can get actual fps.

jigglywiggly said:
How is there such little interest in this subject? This intergrated gpu will probably overclock like a beast... and maybe we can get actual fps.
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I'm thinking this is also one of those things awaiting source. Even the overclocked kernals make my phone reset so I'm waiting for a more stable release myself. Since you're still posting here does that mean you decided to keep your evo?

psych2l said:
I'm thinking this is also one of those things awaiting source. Even the overclocked kernals make my phone reset so I'm waiting for a more stable release myself. Since you're still posting here does that mean you decided to keep your evo?
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I don't know, yet I am in deep havoc lol. I activated my phone on the 20th. I have till 13th of July to pay my bill, so don't know.
I mean the locked bootloader of the Droid X is kind of lame. Also on the Evo, I have a 10$ discount because of the IO conference... unlimited texts too, and I bought two batteries for it with a charger(for 10$ lol, and they actually last a long time 1500ma, I put the 2 extras in my wallet)
Also I think I can upgrade my phone right away already if I read things right, so if Sprint gets an awesome phone I can upgrade to that whenever.
Verizon is more expensive, but I like how they let me do a 1 year contract. The Droid X is also nicer, I mean it has a better camera, and the mic quality when taking videos isn't piss, hopefully someone fixes that. It also has a real graphics card.
So yeah, it's hard to decide. A better phone, vs saving me some money. Though I plan to attend the IO conference once again. I'm still porting my distrubuted prime client onto Android, hopefully it will be high performance. So it's not like I just go there for a phone ^^. Hell I didn't even know about the phones till they said "Where do you want the Droid delivered" I lol'd. Though my time is limited, summer classes at UC Berkeley are tough : /

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How is there such little interest in this subject? This intergrated gpu will probably overclock like a beast... and maybe we can get actual fps.
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Yep, looks like til we get the kernel in our hands they're tied.
Also what's the point of overclocking if their is still a limit on FPS..
Eventually this will be the next thing on our todo list

some of the source for the OpenGL ES GPU core was announced as being released today
Qualcomm releases open-source 3D Snapdragon driver
http://www.androidcentral.com/qualcomm-releases-open-source-3d-snapdragon-driver
havent looked at it yet, but im sure in the very least this should at least help shed some more light on overclocking the GPU and add another piece to the puzzle!
git location -
https://www.codeaurora.org/gitweb/q...b819424af4be;hb=refs/heads/android-msm-2.6.32

topdnbass said:
Yep, looks like til we get the kernel in our hands they're tied.
Also what's the point of overclocking if their is still a limit on FPS..
Eventually this will be the next thing on our todo list
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There isn't really a fps cap with the novatek kernel hack. It made the display much smoother for me and I am using it on EvolutionX. So beast.
Good news about the drivers, maybe we can actually see some overclocking now.

I want this to happen!
Nova runs pretty well on the Evo. Gameloft updated it recently.
I would just like for iphone ports to run well.
I hear the Palm Pixi has the same GPU. It is clocked at 190mhz. What about the Evo?

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I hear the Palm Pixi has the same GPU. It is clocked at 190mhz. What about the Evo?
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The Pixi doesn't have the same GPU, it has one of the low/mid-range MSM7227 (I think thats the model?) chips. It's similar as it's one of Qualcomms latest gen chips, but it is NOT a Snapdragon so it's different.
Also, the Snapdragon GPU's on HTC devices are clocked as follows:
GRP_CLK: The actual graphics clock, 256mhz
IMEM_CLK: The gpu memory clock, 256mhz
EBI1_CLK: As best I can tell, the bus that the GPU is on is EBI1, this is the clock for it, 128mhz
If you want more info, look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710850 since that thread is a lot more active, but please don't clutter it, there's actual devving going on there

Thanks for the info. I just wonder how they're going to get 3d games to work on the Pixi then... weird.
It was announced that the Pixi would get 3d gaming with the 1.4.5 update.

Much better (Y)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...ck-overclocking-tuning-snapdragon-s1-t2883708

Microsoft's quad-core tablet

So M$ flashed a quad-core tablet at the TechEd conference. Early previews of Windows 8 running Tegra 3 perhaps?
Article courtesy of Tom's Hardware:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Quad-core-Tablet-Windows-8-TechEd-BUILD,13302.html#xtor=998
Move over, dual-core Galaxy Tab. Microsoft's got a quad-core tablet in its arsenal.
Microsoft is currently holding its TechEd conference in New Zealand and where there's a conference there's usually a whiff of upcoming products, too. TechEd hasn't disappointed us, either, as Redmond this week gave attendees a sneak peek at an upcoming Windows tablet that's packing a quad-core processor.
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ZDNet reports that during the company's “Windows device session,” Microsoft Enterprise Strategist Jeff Johnson talked about the company’s tablet strategy and offered those in the audience a glimpse of two upcoming Windows tablets. The second tablet is said to have been thicker than the first and boasted a removable battery, but that's not really much to go on. The first tablet, however, Johnson described as a quad-core Windows slate that the company plans to announce at an upcoming Microsoft event. He didn't say much else, but it was enough to set tongues wagging.
This event Johnson is referring to is thought to be Redmond's BUILD conference set for next month and the device in question is believed to be a Windows 8 device. There's also rumors that Microsoft will be giving units away to paying attendees at BUILD so they could develop apps for Windows 8. September is just around the corner, so stay tuned!
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I hope the price is reasonable, I can afford
Perhaps windows 8 is gelivable

Would you really want to buy a tablet with an unstable, sluggish OS on it? I'm curious to see how the OS performs, even on exemplary hardware.

Niksko said:
Would you really want to buy a tablet with an unstable, sluggish OS on it? I'm curious to see how the OS performs, even on exemplary hardware.
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That's a lot of assumption on a product that's not even out yet. To be honest, windows7 actually runs pretty nicely on regular tablets (not slates) but it's just not finger friendly

this is going to need a lot of battery power?

Niksko said:
Would you really want to buy a tablet with an unstable, sluggish OS on it? I'm curious to see how the OS performs, even on exemplary hardware.
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did you actually read the article?, the devices will run quad core processors, and im sure microsoft has a slimmed and tuned version of windows 8 especially for the tablet devices to further improve it, and real drivers so everything will work
windows 7 runs well, it clearly outperforms windows xp on 800mhz cpu powered netbooks and i know this from personal experience with several netbooks.
windows 8 should be better,MS will most likely use win7 as the base with a finger friendly ui over the top kinda like media centre maybe.
i have been waiting for a real windows powered tablet for a long time, i hope they get it right.

if it has quad core its probably something designed by the likes of intel. please correct me if im wrong, but something to do with how a tegra and the likes (qualcomm, etc) design there chips means they only work with linux based kernels. they use ARM architecture or something??? which i believe windows won't run on, please correct me if im way out, im a little rusty on all this stuff, but yeah...

cliddell93 said:
if it has quad core its probably something designed by the likes of intel. please correct me if im wrong, but something to do with how a tegra and the likes (qualcomm, etc) design there chips means they only work with linux based kernels. they use ARM architecture or something??? which i believe windows won't run on, please correct me if im way out, im a little rusty on all this stuff, but yeah...
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Current version of windows doesnt support arm but microsft have publicily stated that they will support ARM in windows 8
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Hopefully the OS is built up around touch and mobility, and isn't just a desktop OS with a touch UI slapped on top.

seboj said:
Hopefully the OS is built up around touch and mobility, and isn't just a desktop OS with a touch UI slapped on top.
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They were showing up metro ui few weeks ago.
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had a dream last night i was playing wow on a windows tablet wonder if it will come true lol

ph00ny said:
They were showing up metro ui few weeks ago.
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M$ should've bought up the team behind Rainmeter's Omnimo series to design the new Windows 8 touch UI.

Windows file explorer 8 is everything but touch friendly. The ONLY thing touch friendly is the home shell with the panels.

Windows 8 will support SoC with ARM instruction set. And Windows 8 is the first step of mobile/tablet OS consolidation

Niksko said:
Would you really want to buy a tablet with an unstable, sluggish OS on it? I'm curious to see how the OS performs, even on exemplary hardware.
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eh... Aren't you an android user?

I don't like Windows 8 Explorer although it's may be more convenient!
//off
WP7 is awesome and my next phone will be a WP7 phone, soon!

con ga pc said:
I don't like Windows 8 Explorer although it's may be more convenient!
//off
WP7 is awesome and my next phone will be a WP7 phone, soon!
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The functionality of Windows 7 with the interface of WP7 would definitely be nice.

I wonder what the battery life is like on this thing.

Somehow I just don't see M$ getting this right.

Fedway said:
Somehow I just don't see M$ getting this right.
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In typical M$ fashion, they'll be a day late and a dollar short to the tablet wars.

dual core + ics

I'm currently running virtuous inquisition 1.3.0. I've tried all ICS roms and I must say I havent' seen much speed increase running single core vs dual core (enabled via system tuner pro). ICS was supposed to take full advantage of the dual core processor but - it's not doing that. I ran tests and after disabling one core the phone actually performs a bit faster - using all the tests I could find: linpack, Quadrant and CF-Bench. Could well be that it's just such an early release of ICS. But GB is actually performing better vs ICS at the current state of affairs.

Synthetic benchmarks are far from definitive.
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moto211 said:
Synthetic benchmarks are far from definitive.
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I'm comparing apples to apples numerous times, the disabled secondary core results are always a bit higher.

It's a test ROM. What did you expect?

1. It's an internal test LEAK with a pre-official base
2. Asynchronous smp. Wtf do people not understand about our phones being asynchronous smp architecture? Ics WILL NEVER change this. Ics made the whole rom multithreaded (taking advantage of multi core) and made apps aware of multicore, but nowhere did it EVER say it would change our phone from asynchronous smp to synchronous smp.
Our phones are only built to have cpu1 come on when the load (not speed) on cpu0 reaches a certain threshold.
ICS WILL NOT MAKE BOTH CORES STAY ON ALL THE TIME! this would mean changing the CPU architecture which is not happening after the whole SoC has been designed, layed out, and built (the physical chip and its design).
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aNYthing24 said:
It's a test ROM. What did you expect?
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I was expecting dual core perform at least on par with the single core, as ICS finally able to do it.
But you may be right - got trip's experimental beta and without even looking if it's running dual core - his rom smokes competition flat. Much better results than even the famed Galaxy S2.

I dont understand what are you guys talking about, im running ICS with sense for few days and its faster than anything before and benchmarks confirm it
2600 in quadrant and 6250 in AnTuTU and i couldn't get that much even with custom tweaked kernels with overclocked GPU..
Only problem is as its early stage dev rom, scores are some times "quirky" and drop in half but most of the times you get this high ones.
Also Browser is noticeable smoother, scrolling pages (XDA Sensation development) is smooth now and was laggy with ALL roms EVER. EStrong file manager also smooth as it should be..
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I dont understand what are you guys talking about, im running ICS with sense for few days and its faster than anything before and benchmarks confirm it
2600 in quadrant and 6250 in AnTuTU and i couldn't get that much even with custom tweaked kernels with overclocked GPU..
Only problem is as its early stage dev rom, scores are some times "quirky" and drop in half but most of the times you get this high ones.
Also Browser is noticeable smoother, scrolling pages (XDA Sensation development) is smooth now and was laggy with ALL roms EVER. EStrong file manager also smooth as it should be..
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Which Rom are you using? My benchmarks suck...
Matt

mrg02d said:
Which Rom are you using? My benchmarks suck...
Matt
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Using RCTeam first release 1.0 version.
Except i was inpatient to wait so i zipaligned and PNG optimized entire rom my self, and deleted bunch of HTC crap i dont use, including loggers...

ivicask said:
I dont understand what are you guys talking about, im running ICS with sense for few days and its faster than anything before and benchmarks confirm it
2600 in quadrant and 6250 in AnTuTU and i couldn't get that much even with custom tweaked kernels with overclocked GPU..
Only problem is as its early stage dev rom, scores are some times "quirky" and drop in half but most of the times you get this high ones.
Also Browser is noticeable smoother, scrolling pages (XDA Sensation development) is smooth now and was laggy with ALL roms EVER. EStrong file manager also smooth as it should be..
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quadrant doesn't support dual core & isn't a reliable benchmark.

sromer said:
quadrant doesn't support dual core & isn't a reliable benchmark.
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Enough with Quadrant bashing. It shows useful FPS information and is relative. Now, if it only went to 2500 no matter what ROM you are using then yes, it would be useless. But getting a 1400 on it with one ROM and then getting a 2600 on it with another ROM AINT useless information.
Matt

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quadrant doesn't support dual core & isn't a reliable benchmark.
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So your saying by disabling 2nd core you get same score? And tell me why is CPU usage on 100% during test for both cores if it doesnt support it..doesnt make sense to me..but who knows maybe your right...

mrg02d said:
Enough with Quadrant bashing. It shows useful FPS information and is relative. Now, if it only went to 2500 no matter what ROM you are using then yes, it would be useless. But getting a 1400 on it with one ROM and then getting a 2600 on it with another ROM AINT useless information.
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I'm not the only one on here that believes that it isn't a reliable benchmark.
Have a look at some of the threads about it.
Since android is a multi-tasking OS results will always vary from test to test in Quadrant.

Have a Snapdragon 820 S7 or S7 Edge? Lucky you! Try the Pyrope Web Browser!

Normally I wouldnt care much about any application since everyone has a favorite go to's depending on what it is that they are doing, but I stumbled on this accidentally last night as I was re-flashing my phone with a new kernel and re-installing all my apps from Google Play. Damn glad I did. Got me excited enough to make this post about it.
The browser is called Pyrope and seems reletively new. Im not to well versed in browsers (I used to use Chrome Dev, prior) but it seems to be based off of a Cyanogenmod browser (Gello) and Chromium / swe and is specifically optimized for Snapdragon processors.
If your phone has a Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ processor, performance can potentially be increased by 10% - 40%, which makes it even faster than most other browser
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The optimization that also seems to be Snapdragon specific is built in native ad/malware blocking. You no longer need to run a seperate application for blocking ad's when browsing the web since the application does it natively! Really good for anyone, both rooted and non rooted. One less app to take up memory on your phone. :good:
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It is pretty lightweight and is really REALLY fast as a browser. So much so, that I stopped using everything else to browse the web and set it as the default browser in 'Default Applications'.
If your using a Snapdragon variant of the phone, defintly test it out, you wont be disappointed! At least I am almost 100% certain you wont be, because I sure as heck wasn't! I think the entire installer was something like 35mb lol.
Here is the link for Google Play.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ninnix96.pyrope.browser
Just a heads up: The adblocking and malware protection wont work on the Enxyos based processor S7. I tested it on that phone. The browser itself was still quick, but its night and day in difference when you load it up on a Snapdragon variant. Someone should contact the dev, see if they can do the same thing for the Samsung processor as well.
Hopefully other Snapdragon owners can test it (doesnt even need to be an S7). Are you noticing the same difference in speed that I am? So far I havent found anything close to this and wanted to see if you experience the same!
Enjoy and best regards!
Sosjadd

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Normally I wouldnt care much about any application since everyone has a favorite go to's depending on what it is that they are doing, but I stumbled on this accidentally last night as I was re-flashing my phone with a new kernel and re-installing all my apps from Google Play. Damn glad I did. Got me excited enough to make this post about it.
The browser is called Pyrope and seems reletively new. Im not to well versed in browsers (I used to use Chrome Dev, prior) but it seems to be based off of a Cyanogenmod browser (Gello) and Chromium / swe and is specifically optimized for Snapdragon processors.
The optimization that also seems to be Snapdragon specific is built in native ad/malware blocking. You no longer need to run a seperate application for blocking ad's when browsing the web since the application does it natively! Really good for anyone, both rooted and non rooted. One less app to take up memory on your phone. :good:
It is pretty lightweight and is really REALLY fast as a browser. So much so, that I stopped using everything else to browse the web and set it as the default browser in 'Default Applications'.
If your using a Snapdragon variant of the phone, defintly test it out, you wont be disappointed! At least I am almost 100% certain you wont be, because I sure as heck wasn't! I think the entire installer was something like 35mb lol.
Here is the link for Google Play.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ninnix96.pyrope.browser
Just a heads up: The adblocking and malware protection wont work on the Enxyos based processor S7. I tested it on that phone. The browser itself was still quick, but its night and day in difference when you load it up on a Snapdragon variant. Someone should contact the dev, see if they can do the same thing for the Samsung processor as well.
Hopefully other Snapdragon owners can test it (doesnt even need to be an S7). Are you noticing the same difference in speed that I am? So far I havent found anything close to this and wanted to see if you experience the same!
Enjoy and best regards!
Sosjadd
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Agreed, super fast! Using pyrope now

BTW there is also an AdBlock Plus official extension specific for the Samsung stock browser that doesn't require root:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.adblockplus.adblockplussbrowser
Moreover there is even an official AdBlock Browser for Android (no root required):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.adblockplus.browser
So even without root (and for all the processors available) you can browse the net free of most annoying ads.

Interesting. These CAF optimised browsers have been out for a while, the fastest one I've found so far is YuBrowser. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mokee.yubrowser&hl=en
I'll give this one a shot too!

Sounds like an advertisement lol

Because it may be. See, the thing is, these CAF optimized browsers only exist because regular browsers perform really bad on last generation Snapdragon arm64 devices (SD810, SD810v2, SD808). I have compared two SD808 (Nexus 5X, LG G4) and one SD810v2 (OP3) device to the Exynos 7420 (S6 Edge +) and Exynos 8890 (S7 Edge). Unfortunately I had no time to do benchmarks but I was able to test Chrome on all four devices. The Snapdragon devices took very long from tapping the Chrome icon to the app completely opening (the point at which the start page has loaded and I could interact with it). Usually it took them 2 - 4 seconds longer compared to the Exynos devices. Both Exynos devices performed the same. Tapping the icon and the app fully loading is almost instant.
As always; Don't take my word for it. This is not a scientific test in a controlled environment or what so ever.

Shipoftheline said:
Sounds like an advertisement lol
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Might as well be.
Just was so shocked at the speed difference that I had to let the S7 community know about it lol. I liked using Chrome more than the Samsung Browser due to me not speaking Japanese at all and the built in Google translate helped a lot with webpages. This seems to have all the functionality I ever needed, but with embedded malware and ad protection.
So yeah, cant deny i'm advertising it. I dont even have 0.1% of the capacity of understanding why it works so well let alone program anything of this sort, so I was hoping more snapdragon s7 users can test it out, just to make sure im not going insane. :silly:
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Because it may be. See, the thing is, these CAF optimized browsers only exist because regular browsers perform really bad on last generation Snapdragon arm64 devices (SD810, SD810v2, SD808). I have compared two SD808 (Nexus 5X, LG G4) and one SD810v2 (OP3) device to the Exynos 7420 (S6 Edge +) and Exynos 8890 (S7 Edge). Unfortunately I had no time to do benchmarks but I was able to test Chrome on all four devices. The Snapdragon devices took very long from tapping the Chrome icon to the app completely opening (the point at which the start page has loaded and I could interact with it). Usually it took them 2 - 4 seconds longer compared to the Exynos devices. Both Exynos devices performed the same. Tapping the icon and the app fully loading is almost instant.
As always; Don't take my word for it. This is not a scientific test in a controlled environment or what so ever.
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I have both the 8890 and the 820 phones from samsung sitting right next to me. Luckily the job I work in provided them to me to test at free will, that means knox and warranty is not an issue. If you know of a way to benchmark these phones utilizing any specific browser or browsers, I can gladly help with it.
I can make sure to test them stock firmware or modded while they are connected to the same network at the same range. I have a solid symetrical 1GB/s connection and a lab to prevent thermal events from skewing results, though neither phone would actually benefit from such speeds and I am not sure a browser would actually heat up the phone enough to warrant the use of it.
But yeah sure enough, I cant deny the speed difference between the browsers on the snapdragon. Thank you for giving me some insight as to what these CAF browsers are. I'll do some more research on my side as well since I am rather new to this. Always thought a browser was just a browser until today.
Regards

I also just noticed the developer of the app is on XDA! http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-pyrope-browser-kk-ics-t3476944
I feel like a putz lol.
@Ninnix96 might be able to provide more information on why the heck it works so fast.

sosjadd said:
Might as well be.
Just was so shocked at the speed difference that I had to let the S7 community know about it lol. I liked using Chrome more than the Samsung Browser due to me not speaking Japanese at all and the built in Google translate helped a lot with webpages. This seems to have all the functionality I ever needed, but with embedded malware and ad protection.
So yeah, cant deny i'm advertising it. I dont even have 0.1% of the capacity of understanding why it works so well let alone program anything of this sort, so I was hoping more snapdragon s7 users can test it out, just to make sure im not going insane. :silly:
I have both the 8890 and the 820 phones from samsung sitting right next to me. Luckily the job I work in provided them to me to test at free will, that means knox and warranty is not an issue. If you know of a way to benchmark these phones utilizing any specific browser or browsers, I can gladly help with it.
I can make sure to test them stock firmware or modded while they are connected to the same network at the same range. I have a solid symetrical 1GB/s connection and a lab to prevent thermal events from skewing results, though neither phone would actually benefit from such speeds and I am not sure a browser would actually heat up the phone enough to warrant the use of it.
But yeah sure enough, I cant deny the speed difference between the browsers on the snapdragon. Thank you for giving me some insight as to what these CAF browsers are. I'll do some more research on my side as well since I am rather new to this. Always thought a browser was just a browser until today.
Regards
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You can use either, or all of these benchmark applications:
Sunspider
Mozilla Kraken
Browsermark
Peacekeeper

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Because it may be. See, the thing is, these CAF optimized browsers only exist because regular browsers perform really bad on last generation Snapdragon arm64 devices (SD810, SD810v2, SD808). I have compared two SD808 (Nexus 5X, LG G4) and one SD810v2 (OP3) device to the Exynos 7420 (S6 Edge +) and Exynos 8890 (S7 Edge). Unfortunately I had no time to do benchmarks but I was able to test Chrome on all four devices. The Snapdragon devices took very long from tapping the Chrome icon to the app completely opening (the point at which the start page has loaded and I could interact with it). Usually it took them 2 - 4 seconds longer compared to the Exynos devices. Both Exynos devices performed the same. Tapping the icon and the app fully loading is almost instant.
As always; Don't take my word for it. This is not a scientific test in a controlled environment or what so ever.
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The OnePlus 3 has a Snapdragon 820. Perhaps you meant OP2?

Shamako said:
The OnePlus 3 has a Snapdragon 820. Perhaps you meant OP2?
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Right! My mistake, sorry.

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You can use either, or all of these benchmark applications:
Sunspider
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Thanks for the list @nitrous².
Seems like some browsers cant run certain tests in some of those sites that you listed, e.g. Chrome Dev has trouble with parts of the test in Browsermark on both devices. Sunspider says its depreciated and replaced with a new benchmark according to the site? Peacekeeper looked really nice!! I didnt have a charger on hand in the lab lol. Screens kept turning off during the test, which got a bit frustrating...
I decided to use Mozilla Kraken for all the tests since it was pretty quick. Hope its alright?
Enyxos - Chrome Dev
Enyxos - Samsung Internet Browser
SD820 - Pyrope
SD820 - Samsung Internet Browser
Should probably list how I have both devices setup.
I left everything on the browser side as it came installed on both devices with clean caches and was connected over wifi in a 18c temp lab. Ran them both at the same time. Figured Pyrope is chromium and chromium is chrome?
The 935FD is running a rom called SuperStock and a Kernel called Prometheus. The speeds are 1.8 small/2.9 big/807 gpu
The SM-G9350 is running a rom called October and a Kernal called Beta7. The speeds are 1.5 small/2.1 big/624 gpu
Both devices are left in their default gov state (interactive iirc).
I can probably test and add Chrome Dev tonight to the SD820 list after work since I still have both devices. Can probably even run that long benchmark, peacekeeper as well. Really looked flashy! Decided to leave Chrome Dev out on the SD820 because I assumed Pyrope = Chomium = Chrome? Either way, its nagging me a little and I should probably run the test to keep it consistant.
But yeah, all browsers felt pretty snappy in daily use. Both seem to be pretty good on both phones. I think Pyrope might feel faster to me because it automatically blocks ads? Let me know what to make of these results. Not sure how to really interpret them. Still new to the Android world, I de-odexed a rom for the first time today! :good:
Regards and hope this helps,
Sosjadd

@sosjadd
Thank you very much. But I'm afraid these results can't be seen as conclusive since your not using a stock ROM nor a stock kernel. It's still very interesting to see.

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I think Pyrope might feel faster to me because it automatically blocks ads?
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I've this feeling too...
Non blocked ads might interfere in the speed comparison tests between non adblocked and adblocked browsers.
IMHO, for a more fair comparison, you should at least install the dedicated official AdBlock Plus extension to the stock Samsung browser.

No worries at all! I thought it was a fun test just not sure how to read the numbers. Im assuming the first link is what the benchmark is reporting back as being faster/slower compared to the second link?
Sorry about the rom and kernel craziness. Thats really my fault lol. These phones are just too much fun to play with! Didn't even use either phone for more than a day before messing around with them.
I think if it can wait until the weekend, I can make a TWRP backup of both phones and flash them back to the OEM rom and kernels to test it again if that something you wanna see?
Also, should I use Mozilla Kraken again or go for that longer Peacekeeper one?
Regards,
Sosjadd

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I've this feeling too...
Non blocked ads might interfere in the speed comparison tests between non adblocked and adblocked browsers.
IMHO, for a more fair comparison, you should at least install the dedicated official AdBlock Plus extension to the stock Samsung browser.
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Yeah I can definitely try that. I only recently found out there was one specifically for that browser.
Do you know if there is a way to integrate the google translate function like chrome has into the Samsung browser as well by any chance? For example, being a native English speaker, when visiting Japanese websites, that translate function is really handy at times. Havent figured out how to enable that on the Samsung browser, but it seems to pop up in chrome and pyrope.
Regards

How do u check which one u have? Snapdragon or not?
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How do u check which one u have? Snapdragon or not?
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I think, really think hahaha my signature explained which processor I have hahaha dee da deee
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