Bluetooth earpiece that supports Moto Voice/Google Now - X 2014 Accessories

I actually have not yet received my Moto X, but I am looking for a new earpiece to go with it. I obviously want something comfortable with good sound quality, but my "killer feature" would be one that supports Google Now or Moto Voice search when pressing the button. I saw that the Moto Hint is "always listening," and while I don't need that I would take it if there was an earpiece with better battery life/sound quality than the Hint.

raptir said:
I actually have not yet received my Moto X, but I am looking for a new earpiece to go with it. I obviously want something comfortable with good sound quality, but my "killer feature" would be one that supports Google Now or Moto Voice search when pressing the button. I saw that the Moto Hint is "always listening," and while I don't need that I would take it if there was an earpiece with better battery life/sound quality than the Hint.
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Pretty sure most bluetooth earpieces support it. Most of them have a voice command button now that works with Siri and Google Now. I have the Aftershokz Bluez 2 and they work with both Siri and Google Now/Moto Voice.

I use the lg tone pro Bluetooth. Works perfectly plus there's an app that offers just a little extra functionality... Don't know how many bluetooths offer that

_MetalHead_ said:
Pretty sure most bluetooth earpieces support it. Most of them have a voice command button now that works with Siri and Google Now. I have the Aftershokz Bluez 2 and they work with both Siri and Google Now/Moto Voice.
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I currently have an older Jabra BT2080 and the voice command button pulls up an old-style "voice dialer" on my Nexus 5. My Moto X is arriving today so I can test it there but I assume it may be the same. Also, I am really looking for an earpiece, not a stereo headset.

raptir said:
I currently have an older Jabra BT2080 and the voice command button pulls up an old-style "voice dialer" on my Nexus 5. My Moto X is arriving today so I can test it there but I assume it may be the same. Also, I am really looking for an earpiece, not a stereo headset.
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I wasn't actually recommending them, just using them as an example. Though I do recommend them for someone who is looking for that type of headset.
I'm sure any newer earpiece will advertise if it works with Google Now. The Moto X actually alerted me when I first paired my headset saying that I can use the button with Moto Voice/ Google Now.
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I use Moto Buds and seem to work fine with the Moto Apps.

_MetalHead_ said:
I wasn't actually recommending them, just using them as an example. Though I do recommend them for someone who is looking for that type of headset.
I'm sure any newer earpiece will advertise if it works with Google Now. The Moto X actually alerted me when I first paired my headset saying that I can use the button with Moto Voice/ Google Now.
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Ah, thank you. I am finding a few that advertise they are Google Now compatible but it seems to only be the more expensive options of each line, like the Jabra Stealth but none of the cheaper options. Even Motorola's own Motorola Boom doesn't advertise itself as being compatible like the Buds and Hint do...

I had the Motorola boom and it worked great with my Moto x 3013 and 2014. You just push the button on the side of the headset and say your command. I would say it worked well 95% of the time. I lost the earpiece and decided to get a Plantronics edge since it had built in sensors. That way I could just stick the earpiece in my ear to answer the call. However, support for Google now and moto voice is not so good. I push the button on the side of the headset and tell it to call someone specific and most of the time it dials the wrong contact. While the Plantronics edge is nice I would not recommend it if you are looking for Google now and Moto voice support.
However, I would recommend the boom. It works great, sounds good and has long battery life. Also, it can be had for about $50.

I also have the boom. Works great with the 2014 X.

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N1: Best Bluetooth Headset?

Looking to get a new bluetooth headset. Got the Jawbone ICON and volume is really low, so I'm looking for another one... Any ideas? Thanks
http://reviews.cnet.com/headsets/plantronics-voyager-pro/4505-13831_7-33628984.html?tag=mncol;lst
Seems to get the best overall reviews of any headset... Though it isn't "stylish" -.-... I prefer function over form though. Google searches + review sites generally give good overall reviews of different devices. I research EVERYTHING before I buy... If I was buying a headset, this is what I'd own.
For now though, the only time I use my phone with bluetooth is while in the car... And for that, I use the Kenwood KDC-x993 . (Now THAT, is a wonderful device )
I have a few, Blue Ant Z9, Z9i, and a Jawbone (using the jawbone now). While the Jawbone is the most aesthetically pleasing, I find it pretty damn uncomfortable. :-\ Haven't really had a problem volume wise though, and it's range is quite a bit better than the Z9's.
I have the Sennheiser mm200. They sound just as good as the cx300's in terms of sound quality. Call quality is good also.
Mi|enko said:
I have a few, Blue Ant Z9, Z9i, and a Jawbone (using the jawbone now). While the Jawbone is the most aesthetically pleasing, I find it pretty damn uncomfortable. :-\ Haven't really had a problem volume wise though, and it's range is quite a bit better than the Z9's.
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Do you have any problem with your Z9 and your rooted N1? My N1 cannot see the Z9. Maybe I need to update the Z9 firmware?
I've been using my Moto S9 and although the quality is good I'm looking to buy a regular headset for just calls. I've seen some talk about Jawbone's Icon. For those of you that do have it how good is it?
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I've been using my Moto S9 and although the quality is good I'm looking to buy a regular headset for just calls. I've seen some talk about Jawbone's Icon. For those of you that do have it how good is it?
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I've read several positive reviews of the Jawbone Icon, but that's about it.
I have the Jawbone Ace. I also use myTalk as well. The only negative is that the N1 does not support voice dialing from the BT headset. I mean come on, voice commander for WinMo can do it...wtf? hehe
But I have used the Icon a few times and being a longtime Jawbone fan, I can say its worth the price. The noise assassin is actually better IMO than the prior Jawbone I have and I thought that kicked a$$. I use my plantronics 590 to stream music and answer calls too if needed.
And the other negative is the lack of volume control on the headset itself. The only way to adjust it is on the phone, which is odd, but he technology methods change every day.
OT: Any comments on my custom signature logo? LOL
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And the other negative is the lack of volume control on the headset itself. The only way to adjust it is on the phone, which is odd, but he technology methods change every day.
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I'm a bit disappointed in the face that it doesn't have a volume rocker ... Does it display the battery meter on the N1 or is that just for the iPhone?
The batt icon is only for iPhone
i have the Plantronics Discovery 975 and i LOVE it. its loud, comfortable, great charge, and it has an awesome case wich has a battery in it for on the go charging which is awesome for me.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/headsets/plantronics-voyager-pro/4505-13831_7-33628984.html?tag=mncol;lst
Seems to get the best overall reviews of any headset... Though it isn't "stylish" -.-... I prefer function over form though. Google searches + review sites generally give good overall reviews of different devices. I research EVERYTHING before I buy... If I was buying a headset, this is what I'd own.
For now though, the only time I use my phone with bluetooth is while in the car... And for that, I use the Kenwood KDC-x993 . (Now THAT, is a wonderful device )
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Great. Now I want one.
I have two my main one is a plantronics voyager pro which i absolutly love, and when it dies i have some jabra one.
I have motorola h17 and works great with n1 and the good is that h17 is not always on with the phone only when you need it ....
I have had zero issues with my Icon. I've used it in the car and turned the volume up pretty loud on the radio while talking and didn't have any issues, and neither did the person I was talking to...
The Icon is much much better than all prior Jawbones...
I'm not sure why you're having an issue with the volume? Maybe try different ear pieces to make it fit better so the sound will enter your ear better?
motorola H 790 crystal talk
stereo bt headset
I've had my ht820 for about 3 years. Still working great with every phone I've had, from win-mo to android. Calls come in clear, and you can be heard pretty well, even outside, although the wind does bother at times, but that should be true of most headsets.
After an hour or so the back of your ear starts to bother. Other than that they work pretty well. I usually use it for excercise or around the house (when its not connected to the laptop or ps3)
I have the Motorola S9 and Jabra BT620s... and both work brilliantly with the N1... no connection issues... full A2DP audio streaming... clear in-call voice... Though I like the S9 better since it's easier to carry and is sweat-proof!

Inear headphones with inline mic and play/pause button

Has anyone tried MEElectronics SP51P Sound Preference In-Ear Headphone with Sound Tuning w/Microphone to check compatability with the G2x?
Or does anyone have a set of inear headphones with inline mic and play/pause button that they can verify works with the normal music player on the G2x?
No interested in opinion just facts
I'd also like to know of a set of inline headphones with music controls for the G2X. I sold my SGS4G to get the G2X and decided to keep the headphones after learning the G2X doesn't come with headphones. The only issue I have is that the PowerAmp headphone control(s) that worked on my SGS4G do not work on my G2X. I could pause play and skip songs on the S4G, but I can't even pause/play with the G2X. I'm using the same headphones and music player so I'm at a complete loss. I'm willing to buy headphones with built-in music controls if they'll resolve the issue but I'd love to have proof.
I have a set of nuforce ne-8. The buttons could pause/play/skip but now that i try to do it, it won't do it. I gotta play around with it some more. These headphones are wonderful for the price.
I bought Jlab j3m headphones with mic and button from amazon for $20 for the G2x.
All functionality is there (answer/hang up, play/pause) except for voice dialer. In fact, a long button press will bring up the voice dialer, but it gets stuck on starting up.
Hopefully there will be a fix for this...
MEElectronics M9P: The headset sounds GREAT but mic/button functionality is a bust. When using the headset to answer a call, the mic randomly works and the phone drops the call. Could be a bad set???
Plantronics Backbeat 216 All controls work except volume but SOUNDS LIKE CRAP
I'll be returning The 216's and exchanging the M9P's. All I really want is great sound and ability to take phone calls for <$60. Any suggestions?? Thinking about Jbuds J3M or J4M; Klipsch Image S2m; or Monster iBeats (refurbs)
Any experience with these?
*I'm using G2X with PowerAMP music app
My klipsch image s2 button does not work for controlling playback on my g2x....bummer.
Bose MIE2: it is tricky to control music. You have to have the correct timing to make it work.
Sennheiser MM60: play/next works
Griffin iphone remote ( http://www.jr.com/griffin-technology/pe/GRF_GC17061/ ) : play/next works (recommended)
Audio Technica iphone remote ( http://www.jr.com/audio-technica/pe/AT_ATMP100/ ) :it also works
Anybody tried any skullcandy buds on this phone yet? What's better jbuds j3, or scull candy titan mic'd?
I bought the Jlab J3Ms, have been using them extensively, and enjoy them very much except for one flaw.
All functionality is there (answer/hang up, play/pause) except for voice dialer. A long button press will bring up the voice dialer, but it gets stuck on starting up.
Has anyone successfully used voice dialer with Wired headphones with an inline mic?
I can live without the voice dial, but my klipsch s2m's that worked great on my n1 are a nightmare on the g2x. Button does not work, phone randomly pauses playback, voice dialer actually opens on it's own sometimes. It seems like it is getting false button presses. Really annoying to have to pull out my phone when doing something active to have to answer call/resume playback/skip track.
Here's a question? Does anybody know if the Optimus 2X headphones work on the G2X, if so it may or may not be worth just picking up a pair of those. Which will probably be much easier to get a hold of. Just a thought. I might do that. (USA version got shafted on accessories)
Spoke with jbuds rep and they confirmed that the g2x jack is setup differently than most phones. I don't know what to do about this. Here is the link they sent me. Jbuds are setup for Mic, ground, l, r
http://pinouts.ru/HeadsetsHeadphones/lg_tu550_headset_pinout.shtml
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bamabruin said:
I bought the Jlab J3Ms, have been using them extensively, and enjoy them very much except for one flaw.
All functionality is there (answer/hang up, play/pause) except for voice dialer. A long button press will bring up the voice dialer, but it gets stuck on starting up.
Has anyone successfully used voice dialer with Wired headphones with an inline mic?
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They don't have a skip button?
Yeah they do, you just double click the button.
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jsauce75 said:
Yeah they do, you just double click the button.
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Awesome, these might be IT for me then.
Please let me know how they work if you get them. I spoke with a jlabs rep and they confirmed the jack on the g2x is laid out differently than what the jbuds are designed for, but if they work, they work. Everyone designs their headphones to work with apple products, so outside of lg directly I think finding headphones designed to work with this jack layout isn't going to happen.
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I have iphone head phones with mic and htc head phones with mic the only features that function are the play and pause Iam trying to find a way to get all the features of the htc head phones to work (skip/back)
I spoke at length with people at lg and jbuds. Basically they won't work unless the board in the mic assembly is compatible with the phone. So an adapter won't fix it. There are reports that jbuds work, the rep couldn't verify because they don't have the phone there, but he has heard they work too. I'm going to give them a try when I have a little extra cash. The other options are lg wired headphones or stereo bluetooth.
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These work great
I've been using the Nuforce-NE-700M. They work great! I'm using them with the paid PowerAMP app on stock G2x. The only thing is no response to long press for voice dialer. Since I haven't heard anyone else using long press successfully, I'm guessing it may be a software issue. The mic,play/pause, skip, back and ans/hu functions all work flawlessly. The voice dialer does work but only if you initiate it from the phone. Setting up a short cut/gesture should be an easy work around. (I here gestures may be apart of the CM7 release for G2X..??)
They're a little pricey for some at $75. However the sound quality is equivalent to headsets that sell for double.
I produce and engineer in my home studio and have compared them to my over-the-ear SONY MDR-7506 which are a professional standard. IMHO the NE-700M's actually perform better. Bass is full, tight and punchy and doesn't distort mid-range. Highs are crisp and mids are well defined. Isolation is supreme. As with most high-end speakers, they will need a few hours "burn in" time out of the box, but seem to sound better each time I use them.
BTW for those that don't know-press mic button twice to skip track and 3 times for previous track. Here is a pic of my settings in PowerAMP (I believe they are the same for the stock player)
jsauce75 said:
I spoke at length with people at lg and jbuds. Basically they won't work unless the board in the mic assembly is compatible with the phone. So an adapter won't fix it. There are reports that jbuds work, the rep couldn't verify because they don't have the phone there, but he has heard they work too. I'm going to give them a try when I have a little extra cash. The other options are lg wired headphones or stereo bluetooth.
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A guy previously in the thread said they work just fine with his G2x?
edit: just ordered them from Amazon. Will report back and confirm.

Headphones that you have verified that the mic and music control function properly.

It seems that people are having compatibility issues with headphones working on the g2x. I thought it would be nice if there was a thread where people can list what headphones work and those that don't. I can verify that the buttons do not work on the klipsch image s2 and the headphones that came with the nexus s.
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It seems that people are having compatibility issues with headphones working on the g2x. I thought it would be nice if there was a thread where people can list what headphones work and those that don't. I can verify that the buttons do not work on the klipsch image s2 and the headphones that came with the nexus s.
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Just got my Zagg SmartBuds, and they all functions work perfectly, from volume control to answering/ending calls. PLUS they not only sound great, but w/all the sliders I can keep the cord from going rogue on me. They also came w/4 additional [5 total] ear bud adapters to fit different ear sizes.
I was worried, but I figured [since I bought them during the 50% off sale] worst case scenario I got a gift for my girls iPhone. Was a win-win, depending on how you look at it, more of a win for me.
Are they water/sweat proof?
fatal27 said:
Are they water/sweat proof?
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and this is their fatal flaw... well, of sorts. No, they aren't. Zagg does have some that are, but you lost the phone/audio controls.
Here are the links...
SmartBuds
AquaBuds
I do work outside here in Oklahoma and seeing how we've already had our first 100+ degree day, I see much sweating in my near future. I'll keep you updated.
jsauce75 said:
It seems that people are having compatibility issues with headphones working on the g2x. I thought it would be nice if there was a thread where people can list what headphones work and those that don't. I can verify that the buttons do not work on the klipsch image s2 and the headphones that came with the nexus s.
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Yeah, I have the Klipsch Image S5i headset and the play button works to start/stop music and answer/hang-up calls but the + & -- buttons don't do anything.
The Image S5i's are designed for Apple products, I have compared the 3.5mm tip connections and they are the same configuration layout that I need for my G2x, but there is obviously something different in the command structure to activate functions.
I love the quality of sound from the S5i's and they are more rugged than the Image S4's I have. I am crossing my fingers that someone will come out with an app that will allow all the functions to work. I found one on the Android market that looked promising -- but it only works with Gingerbread, and I am running Froyo (rooted), so we may just have to wait a little longer for the compatability/upgrade to be introduced in order to get the headsets fully operational (hope it is very soon).
I use my iPod earphones.. the mic works great and so does the play/pause/skip control, the only thing that doesn't work is the volume up/down
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i bought the Jaybirdgear sportsband. they are more useful for people who excercise but they work great. all buttons work as well as mic
If you have Mortplayer Music, give it a try.
I can do play/pause (one press), next (two rapid press), previous (three rapid press) with Audio Technica iphone headset adapter.
Anyone tried the nexus one headphones with the g2x? Pause/play works but next/previous track buttons don't with stock player, winamp, or poweramp.
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Moto ROKR S9 HD
I can confirm my bluetooth Moto ROKR S9 HD's work just fine, I would def recomend those if you hate wires like me
Teidullie said:
I can confirm my bluetooth Moto ROKR S9 HD's work just fine, I would def recomend those if you hate wires like me
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looks good. can you buy one for me?

What headphone music controls will work with the Moto X 2014?

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I bought the Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear (Android Version) back in October. They worked great with my Nexus 5 and the Note 4 I owned briefly. The buttons worked to control music playback and volume with no issue. On my Moto X 2014, the controls do not work at all. Play/pause, volume, skip track, etc... are all completely non-functional.
I thought that there were only two standards, iPhone and Android, and that all Android phones should work with the controls designed for any Android phone. Obviously I was wrong. Does anyone have IEMs/headphones that have in-line controls that actually work with the Moto X 2014? Note I am speaking only about wired headsets, not bluetooth.
My LG HBS-800s work perfectly with my Pure edition running Lollipop. I have only tested it with Play Music though.
Thank you for the recommendation. I am really looking for wired options though.
I have the Bose IE2 and the newer version and they both work.
I have noticed that my Samsung headphones dont work with the X either. Volume pause etc. Not sure why but I think it is on motos end why it doesn't work.
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I bought the Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear (Android Version) back in October. They worked great with my Nexus 5 and the Note 4 I owned briefly. The buttons worked to control music playback and volume with no issue. On my Moto X 2014, the controls do not work at all. Play/pause, volume, skip track, etc... are all completely non-functional.
I thought that there were only two standards, iPhone and Android, and that all Android phones should work with the controls designed for any Android phone. Obviously I was wrong. Does anyone have IEMs/headphones that have in-line controls that actually work with the Moto X 2014? Note I am speaking only about wired headsets, not bluetooth.
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We had this conversation over on the Motorola site. Android does not bake in headphone control (except pause/pick-up/hang-up). Some manufacturers have, such as Samsung and I guess LG, and those work with all of the controls. Motorola does not add in the functionality. There are some headphones that work with a software driver (app) that looks for button press, but I've never tried those. I have gone to bluetooth for my phone.
My skullcandy Ink'd work. Play, pause, skip, previous.
Not my preferred pair but when I need the controls...
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We had this conversation over on the Motorola site. Android does not bake in headphone control (except pause/pick-up/hang-up). Some manufacturers have, such as Samsung and I guess LG, and those work with all of the controls. Motorola does not add in the functionality. There are some headphones that work with a software driver (app) that looks for button press, but I've never tried those. I have gone to bluetooth for my phone.
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Hm, that's... odd since the headphones work on Nexus devices. And I would assume anything built in to a Nexus device is baked into Android...
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My skullcandy Ink'd work. Play, pause, skip, previous.
Not my preferred pair but when I need the controls...
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My skullcandy 50|50 did not work very well, the link control didn't work and i always heard electrical noise at the beginning of music or movie
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I have the Amazon Premium Headphones; they work very well. (the controls work too)
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We had this conversation over on the Motorola site. Android does not bake in headphone control (except pause/pick-up/hang-up). Some manufacturers have, such as Samsung and I guess LG, and those work with all of the controls. Motorola does not add in the functionality. There are some headphones that work with a software driver (app) that looks for button press, but I've never tried those. I have gone to bluetooth for my phone.
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Android (software) does have it baked in most nexus(hardware) have it
Nexus 5(lg) nexus6 (Motorola)
Android supports but hardware needs support it too
Like HTC LG Samsung Nokia Sony
I've been using the Plantronics BackBeat GO Wireless Headphones.
Controls:
Accept or Bypass Calls
Volume Up & Volume Down
Up & Down Skip Tracks
Pause & Play Music

Xiaomi Piston 2 In-Line Mic?

Hi,
I've just received my Xiaomi Piston 2's and the in-line volume buttons don't appear to work on the Moto X. The central pause/play button works fine. They work fine on a Nokia Lumia that I have lying around, so I don't think it's a problem with the earphones. I haven't had a chance to test them in any other Android phones though.
Additionally I'm having an issue with Moto Voice. I can launch Moto Voice by pressing and holding the central button, but it appears to be listening through the phone's microphone, not the in-line mic on the earphones. When using Google voice search straight from the home screen it picks it up fine from the earphone's mic. The microphone works fine in-call. I am disappointed because one of the main reasons I purchased these was to use Moto Voice while cycling.
I'm on stock Lollipop 5.0. I haven't tested them on KitKat.
Anybody experience anything similar? Any tips or advice?
I have the same issue as you
My headset works fine with nexus 5 but not with Moto X
I have the same problem with 5.0.2 in my Moto X2 but in my Samsung S2 the volume buttons works fine, so as you said its a Moto X2 problem
The volume controls on all three of my headsets (various manufacturers) do not work on my Moto X. I'm pretty sure it's just not compatible with volume controls.
The earphone buttons work grand in my other phones...
Does anybody know any workaround or "fix" for this? I'd really love to be able to use these with my Moto X instaed of bringing the Windows Phone around with me...
I was reading reviews about the Xiaomi Piston 2.1 headphones and came across this:
"remapping the button controls on android are a little more challenging. Your options are apps in google play to do this, going to mi.com and downloading/flashing xiaomi mi launcher for android, or living with the mapping as is. Volume up down for the two button side and pause, or answer call on the one button side."
I was reading reviews about the Xiaomi Piston 2.1 headphones and came across this:
"remapping the button controls on android are a little more challenging. Your options are apps in google play to do this, going to mi.com and downloading/flashing xiaomi mi launcher for android, or living with the mapping as is. Volume up down for the two button side and pause, or answer call on the one button side."
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Thanks, but I think that's just for remapping them, they *should* work fine without assigning custom actions to them.
I'm after dropping my set out of my pocket while cycling home so unfortunately I can't test it...
OT: Does anybody have any suggestions for earphones that do work with the Moto X (specifically with Moto Voice through the in line mic) ?
Xiaomi Piston 3 - also not work with MotoX
I have a Xiaomi Piston 3 and only middle button works to play/stop music.
Anybody founds a solution for others buttons?
it probably is an uncompatibility with audio jack in moto x 2014. these headsets uses ctia plugs, while moto x 2014 uses omtp jack. dont know if a conversor would make it work.
ps.: sorry, i'm not good in english
vigia122 said:
it probably is an uncompatibility with audio jack in moto x 2014. these headsets uses ctia plugs, while moto x 2014 uses omtp jack. dont know if a conversor would make it work.
ps.: sorry, i'm not good in english
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I think that's the case. Moto x 2014 as well as Moto X 2013 just don't support volume controls on headsets. Shame on Motorola. Those were not budget phones to cut the functionality.

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