Not much of a photographer, so don't really know what to look for when comparing the two. Has anyone compared the stock ICS camera vs Camera Zoom FX and, if so, which do you prefer?
I always used Zoom on GB, but I know the camera in ICS is supposed to be better. Just looking for some opinions, and sorry if this has been asked before.
Sorry for bringing up something that might already have been covered, but there's one thing that I haven't understood completely.
There's quite a lot of talk about the camera not really performing that well, but looking into the matter I also read that this might be more software related than a hardware problem. (Another app might do the trick?)
The reason for asking is that I am thinking about maybe replacing my Samsung Galaxy S3 with the 16GB version of the Moto G, but I'm a bit hesitant because of the camera - especially since the one in the S3 is quite good.
I don't really care that much for MP's - they never really tell the full story - but if the quality between my current S3 and the Moto G differs to much...
Any input?
Thanks in advance,
/gosa
It'll be more the sensor that software...
Anothe camera app wouldnt make a massive difference to quality of the photo tbh.
Its just one of the tradeoffs for a cheaper phone unfortunately.
King p1n said:
Anothe camera app wouldnt make a massive difference to quality of the photo tbh.
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The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
shaftenberg said:
The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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Like I said a different app wouldnt make a huge difference.
And to me it doesnt have much of an effect from your photos imo.
shaftenberg said:
The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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I had an LG P920 and have used the Snap Camera with a significant improvement in the quality of the photos. In Moto G use the default camera app just for movies slow. For photos I use Snap Camera and I am pleased with the results.
King p1n said:
Like I said a different app wouldnt make a huge difference.
And to me it doesnt have much of an effect from your photos imo.
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The photos he displayed to show the difference when using stock and snapchat show a vast improvement in my opinion.
Look at the post-it note text for the biggest difference.
Obviously software can only go so far, but the stock camera app I feel is clearly doing something wrong with how it sharpens/smooths the image. I'm guessing their sharpening algorithm is assuming a much bigger resolution and using too large of a kernel size for us. So it ends up looking blurry because the blurring becomes exaggerated. Regardless, using a different camera app will help out with these things. That is, assuming they aren't doing these corrections somewhere in the kernel before it even reaches user-land.
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[..] That is, assuming they aren't doing these corrections somewhere in the kernel before it even reaches user-land.
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100% not.
I decompiled the stock camera app and switched off the Noise Reduction just to see how the sensor sees the image, look here:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-5.html#post6803183
The stock app softens the image massively and then set a bad compression level. Look at the pattern at the Gauloise package from my other post and see how the stock app filters out all small lines.
shaftenberg said:
100% not.
I decompiled the stock camera app and switched off the Noise Reduction just to see how the sensor sees the image, look here:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-5.html#post6803183
The stock app softens the image massively and then set a bad compression level. Look at the pattern at the Gauloise package from my other post and see how the stock app filters out all small lines.
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So its the app compressing them?
Im not too knowledgable on this stuff.
Could you not 'decompile' the stock and change the compression softening settings or something? If its the app
I've seen this about compression removal for Droid Maxx worth a lookl?
http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/24758/motorola-razr-maxx-compression-removal
Also some ROMs have the following line in build.prop:
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=2000000
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Might be worth adding and changing the value to see if there is any benefit.
Guys,
Thank you all for your inputs, it's made for some interesting reading. Especially those example pics that shaftenberg posted gave quite a bit of info.
Yesterday I ordered the 8GB version for my wife to replace my old water damaged Desire that - after over a year of running "post-swim" without any kind of problems - is dying on her... I'm confident that the change Desire - Moto G will make a huge difference in image quality for her.
I think now the plan is to compare her Moto G with my S3 for some time and then - if I feel ok with the image quality - go for the 16 GB version.
Some people might think it's a bit strange to swap out the S3 for a Moto G, but the benefits of getting something more updated with regards to OS (and more open if you compare with Samsung and Exynos) and such... the only thing that worries me is image quality.
/gosa
I find that VSCO Cam is also better than stock camera, and probably also even better than Camera Zoom FX.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vsco.cam
The one thing I've found a huge benefit of the Moto g over the n4 and s3 is that its made for one hand. I often find with phones now days I end up when sitting down using them I use my thumb and for finger to support the phone and only half wrap my hand round it to get full use of the screen. There are no such issues with this phone.
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This phone's camera is clearly not tuned well. The noise reduction is wayyyyy too high and the white balance is off.
The Moto X had similar issues and it was mostly fixed with an update. The same will probably happen with this phone, likely bundled with the Kitkat update.
Hi guys
I have a OnePlus inbound and asked myself this: Users of about every single device from every single manufacturer have to make due with a worsened camera quality experience when moving away from stock ROMs to AOSP-based or vanilla Android builds. This is usually due to closed-source implementation of proprietary camera features which can only be enabled or accessed when using the stock camera app on a stock ROM etc and holds true for Sony, Samsung, LG and probably many more. Even Nexus-devices under certain circumstances. Usually caused by post-processing and image enhancement mechanisms to go haywire and (native/hardware) HDR being absent, resulting in much worsened image quality when taking pictures.
Is the OnePlus One also affected? When moving away from CM11S to AOSP, CM11, CM12 or ParanoidAndroid, will the camera experience be worse or are the OnePlus camera features documented well enough, so that custom ROMs can maintain the stock camera quality?
Thanks for answers.
You can use the CM11S camera on any ROM for this device.
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No decline in quality when switching back and forth between whatever ROM fits this device then.
Good to head and thanks for answering.
Sorry for the noob question but I'm trying to decide to keep the G3 or trade for OnePlus One. Taking good photos is important to me and I'd like to be able to do things like slow motion. 4k is not that important. I know some are using the moto camera but having trouble with video (which is also important to me). I'd really rather stay with a CM style OS if possible
So keep the G3 and run stock or trade for OnePlus?
If you want a great camera on AOSP, you might as well ditch the G3. You could still take pretty good pictures in good conditions, but will have problems in low light, high contrast, and anything requiring fine details.
You can't take advantage of the G3 camera's processing and hardware on anything but stock-based ROMs. People will tell you the M9 camera port is as good as stock, but they're not photographers with any sort of discerning eye. There's no comparison. No camera apps can match what's possible on a stock-based ROM.
That being said, the OPO camera isn't that great. It would be silly to trade to that phone for the camera IMO.
Some stock-based ROMs for the G3 are getting closer to AOSP-style. The latest Cloudy build is pretty good, and there are a few theme options. You just have to choose what sort of trade-off you want --
+ smoother AOSP ROM with crappy camera, or
+ decent ROM with great camera
I'd go for the latter, but I'm a photographer and bought the G3 for its camera.
Thanks for the feedback. I've tried some ROMS though I have not tried Cloudy. I'm not a photographer and my eye is not that discerning.
Has anyone noticed that the quality of pictures taken on cos12.1 are better than on cm12.1?
For me pictures taken with google camera looked nearly identical on cos 12.1 and cm 12.1.