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So I have this issue. I'm completely against Google Play Services, the massive battery drain on my device should be enough of an excuse to not have it installed. It's been constantly badgering me recently about how Google Maps won't run without Google Play Services installed. Now let me say this, I don't use to many Google apps aside from Gmail. Google Maps rarely comes in handy for me, and I normally just end up looking up destinations on my browser. Will deleting Google Maps from my phone fix this problem? (And yes, my phone is rooted)
You could try Greenify!
Aaand if you want to remove the apps, you'll probably need ''Link2SD'' for that.
Also Link2SD can freeze the apps!
Or use app quarantine from play store to freeze Google play services
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I disabled Google Play Services and Google Services Framework on my Moto G, because I don't need them and the Play Store (I sideload all my apps from the pc).
But there's a big problem: if I disable even one of them, and try to enable the geolocation, it only uses the option "high precision" and, worse then that, it makes all the android framework crash and reboot if I try to open any geolocation-using app (like Google Maps or the camera with geo-ON). Any hint to solve this issue? I really want to get rid of these services, for battery and privacy reasons (in particular, battery improvements are really noticeable!).
UPDATE: I don't get this bug UNLESS I reboot the phone. If I do, I get this issue. If I don't, Maps still works even with these services disabled. I'd like anyway to solve this problem so I don't have to make laborious procedures everytime the phone reboot (I already have to kill 5 motorola processes, i.e. Motocare and Motorola Services ones).
I've attached a pair of screens to clarify my situation. I'm on the STOCK and NO-ROOTED rom.
Thank you very much in advance
So you do need Google services? But don't want to need them, my advice flash stock android ROM without using G-apps
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So you do need Google services? But don't want to need them, my advice flash stock android ROM without using G-apps
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No, I'm on the stock android and not need them. But if I disable them, and I reboot the phone, all the geolocating app I use make the system crash, that's a weird behaviour. To convince yourself, you can disable both the services, restart the phone, open Google Maps and press the location button.
If I don't reboot the phone, instead, Google Maps continues to work even with this two services disabled... that's what confuses me
I basically meant stock and stripped like CM11 without Gapps
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zack.1988 said:
No, I'm on the stock android and not need them. But if I disable them, and I reboot the phone, all the geolocating app I use make the system crash, that's a weird behaviour. To convince yourself, you can disable both the services, restart the phone, open Google Maps and press the location button.
If I don't reboot the phone, instead, Google Maps continues to work even with this two services disabled... that's what confuses me
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Basically, you're going to have to root and flash your phone. You can't remove Google services on stock.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
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I am one of those who do they everyday work without google stuff and without gapps. I found out several problems:
Some apps do not install because of missing Google Maps API
Some apps fc at startup bacause of missing Maps API or market license check issues
Some apps hardcoded links to several Google Apps and therefor fc or react unexpectedly on certain cases.
No access to Play Store (i tried nearly every alternative market, but nothing is as good for free apps as play store) Meanwhile, F-Droid provides nearly everything you need
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this thread may interest your needs
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
this thread may interest your needs
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Thank you for the intereeting link. Unluckily it regards mainly rooted devices... Pretty interesting though
Let me see if I get this right. You purchased a phone manufactured by Google, using a stock Rom compiled by Google, and you are trying to used Google software (Google Maps or Motorola Camera software- by Google) and you find it surprising that the system crashes after disabling Google's framework? And you are hoping to solve this without rooting or flashing a custom Rom? Seriously?
Sorry for the ironic tone, but you really need to give the idea of making a thread for this a second thought, my friend.
No problem for the ironic tone,but I can ensure you that I'm running Google Maps and (Motorola, not Google!) Camera App geotag WITHOUT having these two services enabled, and they work flawlessy the problem is ONLY when I REBOOT the phone, in which case I must enable and disable again these services in order to make apps with geolocation work without crashing the system. I will attach a screenshot of my running processes in the STOCK and NOROOT rom, and I ensure you that apart this small, boot-time issue, everything works great on my phone (with a great battery boost, I've been able to achieve 9 hours of screen time plus 1hr of calls, what do you think?).
I've about 50 apps installed, I just don't like Motorola and Google ones because they keep running about all the time, sucking out a lot of private data and battery juice
Well I am new to Android and also have/had problems using the moto g. I disabled all Google apps and stuff I could find and the OS is not really stable, I get quite a few hiccups and the phone crashes every now and then. I thought the nova launcher might be the problem, but I also suspect the OS in general.
But unlike you I don't use any Google stuff, so not even maps.
Well, I am selling the phone anyway.
No crashes here apart this Maps tweak, so it sound's really weird... maybed you disabled some critical services. On my device, with kitkat 4.4.2, ART compiler, everything is more than stable. You could try a factory reset or switching from Dalvik to ART too...
Sounds like a gigantic hassle. I don't think these services use much battery at all.
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Sounds like a gigantic hassle. I don't think these services use much battery at all.
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Before saying that, try and let me know
(as soon I will use it in a regoular way - I.e. not gaming and not browsing all the time - I'll post a screenshot proving the 9 hours of screen time, that I wasn't able to reach with Google services enabled)
Ive had 9 hours screen time with google services enabled but that was just doing light stuff ,got 2.5 days out of my last battery charge but that was with only 5 hours screen time but mine is rooted and greenified now.
Cant think of a solution to your problem sorry,guess you will just have to avoid rebooting.
yes, I guess so...
I need to reinstall Google play services on my moto g how do I do this?
This thread is over a year old and totally unrelated to your question. Searching the forums is my advice because you are pretty unlikely to find an answer to your question by posting in this particular thread
I came across an interesting workaround today regarding the annoying refusal of Google Play Store to run when Google Play Services is not enabled. Running the following in a terminal will disable a component of Google Play Services that prevents the check when you start the Play Store:
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pm disable com.google.android.gms/com.google.android.gms.recovery.RecoveryService
Note: I have not tested this enough to know if there are any significant drawbacks yet.
I can say that this will finally allow Google Play Services to be greenified (although other components such as Google Backup Transport seems to occasionally prevent greenification). In addition, it seems to stop all those logs from being written to /data/system/dropbox/, which I personally found to be very irritating, and found the alternative solution of setting the folder to read-only to be problematic.
Unfortunately it looks like google play services is necessary to allow you to download apps from the play store. I didn't realize it at first because the checkin service had already done its thing and I was free to use everything until it was time for the next checkin. I'll post here if I find out any way to overcome this, but it looks like Google Play Services is probably necessary for the Play Store to function.
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Unfortunately it looks like google play services is necessary to allow you to download apps from the play store. I didn't realize it at first because the checkin service had already done its thing and I was free to use everything until it was time for the next checkin. I'll post here if I find out any way to overcome this, but it looks like Google Play Services is probably necessary for the Play Store to function.
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I tried and failed. There's no workaround. >.< Play Store needs Google Play Services in order to work properly.
sonyu said:
I tried and failed. There's no workaround. >.< Play Store needs Google Play Services in order to work properly.
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Yeah, there is absolutely no workaround.Play Services forms the core for the Google Playstore App.hence it can't function without it.
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Will try this when I get the root.
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Yea, go ahead.
...Just wanna let you guys know, there's a google thread, in which people talk/ed bout the purpose of .services. Turns out you really need that sh*t!XD
It's like a framework you simply need to have installed- just like @donniemceduns said. ^ ^
Off-topic ― now, I'm on CM11, with no Google Play installed, therefore no .services running. I simply installed an alternative market. ^ ^
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Wow.. Can you tell me what alternative market you installed?
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I tried them all — Mobogenie used to be ****ty, works fine now.
.apk link- DIRECT DOWNLOAD LINK
Has all the apps from Google Play. No sign-in required.
I didn't like it; it's okay now. Use it as my primary market
If you find a better market, make sure to share a link!
didito said:
Thanks for the link. One question though. Lets say I install a kitkat rom. Can I remove all the Play Store services and their dependencies to improve my phone's performance? I plan to do this and let Mobilegenie be my only market. If this is possible how can I remove these services for good?
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Hi Didi,
Yea, sure.
You already know this, but for all the people who didn't bother to read the thread, removing .services will result in errors, whenever you try to open a google application(Play store for instance), which requires .services.
I used a kitkat ROM before- deleted all G-apps and installed my alternative market. No errors! ^ ^
As for Mobogenie, it's my primary market on CM11. It features autoupdates, even auto-install if your device is rooted. Sweet! :good:
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Oh, sorry @didito! Didn't notice the "how can I remove these services for good" part.
Install an Uninstaller app for rooted devices( Your device must be rooted).
In-app: Navigate to SYSTEM APPS & remove google play services and google play store.
If you're not sure which app to use, try "Root App Delete".
Question... Or, an observation anyway... Sorry to bring back an old thread but I've been wondering a similar thing
On my newer device, Samsung Galaxy s5 neo, play services are needed to run the play store. *however*, on my older device, Samsung captivate glide, play services are not required to open the store.
Both using stock but rooted software from Samsung.
Why would this be that it's possible on 1 but not the other?
Unless maybe because I have already debloated my older device, maybe removing other gapps is what it would take?
I don't have a data plan and therefore wouldn't use much if any of them (maps, etc)
It just has me wondering what has changed between the 2, and maybe even if I'd be able to use and run my other devices play store app, and then use disable service to stop it from fully updating?
Hmm... I know everyone else has likely given up long ago.... But I've been curious today.
Hi all, hope all is well. I encountered a problem on my OPO and I didn't manage to solve it, even after searching and reading relevant threads on this forum.
Currently my OPO (not rooted) is running Android 4.4.4 (stock Cyanogen OS 11.0). I am still running Android 4.4.4 as when Lollipop was issued many complained of battery drain issues so I didn't update. Yesterday, Google Play Services updated automatically to version 9.0.82. After the update Chrome, Play Store, Gmail and Google Now are exiting as soon as I try to use them. Thus, I decided to uninstall the Google Play Services updates and I manually installed a version (8.7.03) that doesn't cause the problems mentioned. However, this morning when I connected to WiFi, Google Play Services updated and the problems restarted.
Does anybody know how I can prevent Google Play Services from automatically updating please? If this is not possible, I am considering updating to Marshmallow with Cyanogen OS 13. Is it possible to update to the latter without updating to Lollipop please? Moreover, does the OPO suffer from major bugs/ issues when running Marshmallow please?
p.s: previously I denied both "keep awake" and "wake up" in the Privacy Guard menu of Google Play Services as it fixed the message "Unfortunately Google Play Services has stopped". Yet, this message is appearing again every time I connect to WiFi.
Many thanks, much appreciated!
Hi,
I've got a high battery drain problem with the latest Google Play Services (cmasystemupdateservices causing the wavelock).
There are a couple of reddits about this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus/comments/4jmw74/cmasystemupdateservice_wakelock/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidQue..._is_cmasystemupdateservice_its_preventing_my/
but no solution.
I'm running 4.4.4 as well, but my wife's Lollipop phone doesn't have this issue. Given that its an update service causing the issue I wonder if this is Google's way of getting us to upgrade!
If this was affecting all Android phones I'd expect to see more of an outcry about it.
Regards.
I too have this problem. Now have to rolled back to stock play services. Any solution?
Unchecked all in Google play settings
@pda1ey thanks for the Reddit links! Unfortunately, as you mentioned they don't offer solutions to our problems.
@vl319 did Google Play Services autoupdate even though you rolled back to stock version please?
@drmuruga I think Google Play Services still autoupdates with those settings unticked.
Thanks to all for your feedback hope we find a solution.
After i rolled back to stock version, it doesn't auto update until now. But u will keep getting message saying apps wont run until play services is updated.... But it is fine for me.. I tried to reset app preference, disable greenify, amplify, privacy guard but none of these work. Probably we have to wait for new update or reinstall the device
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After i rolled back to stock version, it doesn't auto update until now. But u will keep getting message saying apps wont run until play services is updated.... But it is fine for me.. I tried to reset app preference, disable greenify, amplify, privacy guard but none of these work. Probably we have to wait for new update or reinstall the device
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I will follow your suggestion and roll back to stock Play Services. When I manually install Google Play Services 8.7.03 it automatically updates to 9.0.82 after a couple of hours. When you had version 9.0.82 were Gmail and Chrome force closing? Thanks!
I experience same problem on my wife's 4.4. cm and on my 5.1.1 android. Google play services automaticily updated to 9.0 and since then all google related apps is force closing. I noticed, that if I uncheck everything under google play services in privacy guard, apps will work, but then my phone's battery will go down the drain . Is it possible, that Google play services update only, when I open Play store and not completely automaticly?
solidstate94 said:
I will follow your suggestion and roll back to stock Play Services. When I manually install Google Play Services 8.7.03 it automatically updates to 9.0.82 after a couple of hours. When you had version 9.0.82 were Gmail and Chrome force closing? Thanks!
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I am using official COS13 and its stock version is 8.3.01, older than 8.7.03 and it doesn't auto update to new version. and i have no problem of syncing contact, calendar, keep and etc.
@vl319 my stock version is version 5. That's why I tried solving the issue by updating manually to 8.7.03. Unfortunately, my stock version is not compatible with the Apps I use. Thanks for the clarification!
@ircman maybe you can update to a newer version of Google Play Services on your phone to solve the issue. For instance, update to 9.0.83 or 9.0.82. Another user (drmuruga) in a previous post suggested to turn off automatic updates in the Play Store. However, I don't know if it works because I haven't tried it myself.
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@vl319 my stock version is version 5. That's why I tried solving the issue by updating manually to 8.7.03. Unfortunately, my stock version is not compatible with the Apps I use. Thanks for the clarification!
@ircman maybe you can update to a newer version of Google Play Services on your phone to solve the issue. For instance, update to 9.0.83 or 9.0.82. Another user (drmuruga) in a previous post suggested to turn off automatic updates in the Play Store. However, I don't know if it works because I haven't tried it myself.
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Sorry, I wasn't exact, now I am using 9.0.83. The problem apeared when the Google Play Services updated automaticaly to 9.0.83. Until that moment the phone and all the apps were working flawlesly. I belive that is something wrong with the newest version of Google Play Services, or that they don't want us to block things like Keep Awake, Location, Wake up, Auto Start (this things drains battery really fast).
Probably the only solution for now is to downgrade Google Play Services, and to somehow block automatic updates for Google Play Services.
@ircman as regards blocking the things you mentioned, I think you still can block them if you want.
Moreover, you can manually uninstall the updates of Google Play Services to temporarily solve the problem. Then either stick with the stock Play Services (vl319 clarified in a previous post that it won't auto update but some Apps might not work) or install a version of Play Services that doesn't cause problems as I did. However, after a few hours it auto updates and the problems start again. Thus, you need to repeat this process (I am repeating this process on average twice daily).
If anybody comes up with a permanent solution or has some advice, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hello everyone
I have the same problem you exactly with "google play service" in 9.0.82 release.
it drains my battery and my GPS connection has become very very slow (over 5 min) while with the 8.7.03 release I had no worries.
I am also in version 4.4.4 and I have my wifi, my connection and my GPS data which are off all the time except when I need them.
If anyone has a solution I'm interested
bion59 said:
Hello everyone
I have the same problem you exactly with "google play service" in 9.0.82 release.
it drains my battery and my GPS connection has become very very slow (over 5 min) while with the 8.7.03 release I had no worries.
I am also in version 4.4.4 and I have my wifi, my connection and my GPS data which are off all the time except when I need them.
If anyone has a solution I'm interested
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My problem with Google Play Services 9.0.82 is not related to battery drain and GPS. On my OPO 9.0.82 is causing some Google Apps to FC (as I explained in the first post).
If your OPO is rooted there are some solutions on this forum on how to block Google Play Services from updating. tc
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My problem with Google Play Services 9.0.82 is not related to battery drain and GPS. On my OPO 9.0.82 is causing some Google Apps to FC (as I explained in the first post).
If your OPO is rooted there are some solutions on this forum on how to block Google Play Services from updating. tc
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OK thank you for your answer.
I actually did a search on the forum and I find an application that seems to do the job is "disable service" findable on the play store.
Please update to latest play services 9.2.xx. It solves the issue
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Please update to latest play services 9.2.xx. It solves the issue
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Thanks for letting us know! Just upgraded manually to 9.2.56, till now everything seems fine. I wish there is a method which can block Play Services from auto updating.
solidstate94 said:
Thanks for letting us know! Just upgraded manually to 9.2.56, till now everything seems fine. I wish there is a method which can block Play Services from auto updating.
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I know there is a feature in titanium backup that allows apps to detach it from the market. Wonder if it works for play services.
pls i need good link to get google play services, the ones have been downloading keeps draining my battery...pls any help?
If it aint downloading it aint google play services...
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You don’t understand, I need a good link to download a non battery draining google play services. The ones have been downloading and installing keeps draining my battery.
Any link to download and install a good one?
vash_h said:
If it aint downloading it aint google play services...
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johnniearchangel said:
You don’t understand, I need a good link to download a non battery draining google play services. The ones have been downloading and installing keeps draining my battery.
Any link to download and install a good one?
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If it doesnt drain battery, it isn't Google Play Services.
Also, it is very advisable to stick to the one pre-installed on your phone. The ones you downloaded may not be suitable, or might been tampered with.
If you do not intend to use any google services, then just uninstall "updates" then disable it. viola power drain plugged. But be warned, you WILL get loads of FCs on apps or just by doing nothing. many many many apps / phone functions rely on Google Play Services.
having said all those, do you even know what google play services is? it drains battery for a good reason, because it is running many things in the background.
Google play services is involved in almost everything you do with your phone, from dialing numbers to sms to location services etc..
Also, when you say you have been downloading and installing different versions of Google play services, be warned, using the wrong version will cause a bigger drain on your phone battery.
thanks alot, i know what it is but i deleted the pre installed version on my phone (le max 2)...guess i will have to re install my OS then....sad and annoying
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If it doesnt drain battery, it isn't Google Play Services.
Also, it is very advisable to stick to the one pre-installed on your phone. The ones you downloaded may not be suitable, or might been tampered with.
If you do not intend to use any google services, then just uninstall "updates" then disable it. viola power drain plugged. But be warned, you WILL get loads of FCs on apps or just by doing nothing. many many many apps / phone functions rely on Google Play Services.
having said all those, do you even know what google play services is? it drains battery for a good reason, because it is running many things in the background.
Google play services is involved in almost everything you do with your phone, from dialing numbers to sms to location services etc..
Also, when you say you have been downloading and installing different versions of Google play services, be warned, using the wrong version will cause a bigger drain on your phone battery.
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