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Hi!
A friend of mine is in NYC tomorrow, and as there is no way to get the Doubleshot out of the US, he'll grab me a no-contract myTouch 4G Slide.
The question is: will i be able to use it on french networks? I'm not a specialist so i can't give you more info, but i'm sure some of you are All i know is that there are classes problems (UMTS class 1, 2, 3, 4...) sometimes. So is there a risk than 2G or 3G won't work?
A big thank you for any help you could bring.
Knowing who your carrier is would help.
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Well, any carrier I'm on "Free mobile" for now, but that could change soon. I have no idea how to:
- check which bands are used by a carrier
- check weither the phone supports these bands.
Ninj said:
Well, any carrier I'm on "Free mobile" for now, but that could change soon. I have no idea how to:
- check which bands are used by a carrier
- check weither the phone supports these bands.
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You can easily google what 2G & 3G bands each carrier supports, but this page has the bands for the MT4GS.
Thank you for the link, it will be useful. However, i find it hard to get precise info about the bands used by the networks here: Orange, SFR, Bouygues, Free Mobile.
Simple question: are they any band in the world that this phone does not cover anyway?
Ninj said:
Hi!
A friend of mine is in NYC tomorrow, and as there is no way to get the Doubleshot out of the US, he'll grab me a no-contract myTouch 4G Slide.
The question is: will i be able to use it on french networks? I'm not a specialist so i can't give you more info, but i'm sure some of you are All i know is that there are classes problems (UMTS class 1, 2, 3, 4...) sometimes. So is there a risk than 2G or 3G won't work?
A big thank you for any help you could bring.
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I just came back from Norway last month and the phone worked just fine. I had Roaming service with Telenor.
The phone has Band I so the normal 3G service will work up to 14.4 Mbps HSPA+ if your carrier supports it. If not it will be normal 7.2Mbps 3G service speed.
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jjbz said:
You can easily google what 2G & 3G bands each carrier supports, but this page has the bands for the MT4GS.
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The bands equate to Band I and IV. Band I is the most common World Wide Band used in Europe, Asia (including Japan) and Australia.
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I'm using a MT4GS here in France.
It has a US T-Mobile SIM card.
It connects onto Orange network. Phone calls work great.
I didn't use data (quite expensive, I'm using Wi-Fi). So I have no input about that part.
If you are looking for a good phone with a physical keyboard - like the MT4GS - I'd try the Samsung Captivate Glide (only with AT&T - easy to unlock and root).
Great phone. Data (3G/3G+) works great here in France on Bouygues, Free, Orange.
In addition to that it packs a 4" screen and a Tegra 2 processor.
The best part is it has since a few days ICS !
I'm using the Glide here in France with French sim card. Works great. A lot more powerful than the MT4GS...
My 2 cents
Thank you forw these answers! Great pieces of info.
frav, you say the Samsung Captivate Glide is better, which i believe, but to be honest i'm a fan of Sense UI Also, the MT4GS has ICS too through custom roms. When you say "a lot more powerful" do you mean that much? Could you run Quandrant or something equivalent on both? Thank you
Is the MT4GS compatible with all 4G bands? I heard 4G is gonna be a mess about bands (using old 2G, and new frequencies...)
Thank you!
Back with 4G issue!
Hi again everyone. It's an old subject, but it comes under light today.
My carrier ("Free Mobile") opened today their 4G network. I'm in France (yes, still ).
In France, 2 bands are used: 800Mhz and 2600Mhz. Free Mobile only uses 2600Mhz, but that mau change in a near future.
My question is will i be able to get 4G on my MT4GS in France then?. I think not unfortunately, because it doesn't seem to support 800Mhz or 2600Mhz for 4G... but could you confirm?
Thank you
Ninj said:
Hi again everyone. It's an old subject, but it comes under light today.
My carrier ("Free Mobile") opened today their 4G network. I'm in France (yes, still ).
In France, 2 bands are used: 800Mhz and 2600Mhz. Free Mobile only uses 2600Mhz, but that mau change in a near future.
My question is will i be able to get 4G on my MT4GS in France then?. I think not unfortunately, because it doesn't seem to support 800Mhz or 2600Mhz for 4G... but could you confirm?
Thank you
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HSPA is only supported in the 1700mhz and 2100 mhz bands.
Free Mobile is rolling out LTE as 4G there is no chance that the MT4GS will be able to utilize that upgraded service. The freq is on 2600 mhz.
It appears their LTE network is in the early stages of roll out, you would likely have poor coverage anyway due to low numbers of towers in service. LTE on 2600 mhz would have poor building penetration and relatively short range due to the frequency being so high and that LTE needs a clean signal to noise ratio for decent reception.
To take advantage of the new service you will need a different device.
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Hi,
Thank you for your clear answer.
I am working at 50m from a Free 4G antena, and living at 200m of another one, so i would enjoy a great 4G if it was compatible. But as i was afraid, it is not. Too bad
I'll get another device when any manufacturer starts doing really good Android high end phone with keyboard
Have a nice day!
Just want to start off by saying I've read a lot of posts on this forum and love the people and the phoneis awesome and so I really want one, but I don't know which model to get? I live out in the Midwest using T-Mobiles network. Which model will work best with T-Mobiles network and is their a model that supports 4G LTE that works in the US? If anyone can provide a link to the right model to buy for my situation or any information will be greatly appreciated!
Baseballace122112 said:
Just want to start off by saying I've read a lot of posts on this forum and love the people and the phone is awesome and so I really want one, but I don't know which model to get? I live out in the Midwest using T-Mobiles network. Which model will work best with T-Mobiles network and is their a model that supports 4G LTE that works in the US? If anyone can provide a link to the right model to buy for my situation or any information will be greatly appreciated!
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You need to get model MT7-L09 with 16GB ROM and 2GB RAM. It is available for purchase on Amazon and ebay. The MT7-L09 is compatible with both the AT&T and T-Mobile GSM networks. LTE speeds should be available everywhere on T-Mobile with the MT7-L09, but it seems to only be available on AT&T in certain locations. I installed the LTE Discovery app from the Play Store on my Mate 7, and I verified that I am able to get an LTE connection on AT&T in certain places.
So I've found an MT7-L09 model on newegg but according to the info on it, it doesn't support 4G on T-Mobile. So does it truly support 4G or not?
Baseballace122112 said:
So I've found an MT7-L09 model on newegg but according to the info on it, it doesn't support 4G on T-Mobile. So does it truly support 4G or not?
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I've had my MT7-L09 for 6 months now with service through MetroPCS, which runs on T-Mobile's network and I have 4G coverage. I get absolutely great speeds with my phone. I purchased mine through BHPhoto.
Baseballace122112 said:
So I've found an MT7-L09 model on newegg but according to the info on it, it doesn't support 4G on T-Mobile. So does it truly support 4G or not?
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T-Mobile uses the following frequency bands for 4G/LTE:
1700 MHz & 2100 MHz AWS band 4
1900 MHz PCS band 2 (in refarmed areas)
Lower 700 MHz band 12 (in development) / in service in selected areas
The MT7-L09 supports bands 2 and 4, so it will get LTE data rates on the T-Mobile network pretty much anywhere. The phone will show "4G" when you are on LTE.
On the other hand, AT&T primarily uses 700 MHz band 17 for LTE. Since the MT7-L09 doesn't support band 17, you can't get LTE data rates on the AT&T network in most places. However, AT&T does use bands 2 and 4 in certain areas. Therefore, some people are able to get LTE data rates on AT&T with the MT7-L09, depending on where they are located.
I have AT&T, and my data rate alternates between LTE and HSPA+, depending on what part of the city I am in. Honestly, I don't even notice the difference between the two during normal use. I also own an iPhone with LTE, and the MT7-L09 seems faster even when it is on HSPA+.
As usual, a major phone maker from Asia is screwing over USA, by disabling US carrier compatible LTE bands in their flagship phone series. If anyone from US, or other parts of the world, left in the cold by Asus purchased this phone and would like to try this LTE unlock and report the results - that would be very much appreciated.
If anyone knows of an online store, which took the liberty of unlocking US compatible LTE bands (T-Mobile: 2,4,12, AT&T: 2,4,5,17) in Zenfone 3 Ultra - please post the link to the store.
Will Asus make a separate US version and sell it here, or will this phone be international only? I'm in the US on AT&T and would certainly like LTE capability, but I've been buying overseas phones for a while now and HSPA+ is certainly fast enough for my needs.
If Asus isn't planning on a US version i'll just get the international one...
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Will Asus make a separate US version and sell it here, or will this phone be international only? I'm in the US on AT&T and would certainly like LTE capability, but I've been buying overseas phones for a while now and HSPA+ is certainly fast enough for my needs.
If Asus isn't planning on a US version i'll just get the international one...
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Just get a Mi Max, it's cheaper. My friend picked me up a 4gb/128gb version when he was in China for $313. I don't see a reason to spend top dollar on the Zenfone 3 if it won't support LTE here. I'd love to see Asus support LTE here but it's a shame they always disable the US LTE bands.
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Just get a Mi Max, it's cheaper. My friend picked me up a 4gb/128gb version when he was in China for $313. I don't see a reason to spend top dollar on the Zenfone 3 if it won't support LTE here. I'd love to see Asus support LTE here but it's a shame they always disable the US LTE bands.
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I want the larger screen of the Zenfone. Thats really the only reason im not picking up a Mi Max...
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Just get a Mi Max, it's cheaper. My friend picked me up a 4gb/128gb version when he was in China for $313. I don't see a reason to spend top dollar on the Zenfone 3 if it won't support LTE here. I'd love to see Asus support LTE here but it's a shame they always disable the US LTE bands.
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I heard that the Mi Max only supports some of the T-Mobile bands so you won't get full LTE (only HSPA). Do you know what network your friend uses his on and if he gets full LTE?
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I heard that the Mi Max only supports some of the T-Mobile bands so you won't get full LTE (only HSPA). Do you know what network your friend uses his on and if he gets full LTE?
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None of these phones support any LTE bands in the US. You'll only get HSPA+ or 3G. My thought is why pay 400+ for a phone with no LTE capabilities here. My friend picked up the Mi Max for me, I own it.
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I heard that the Mi Max only supports some of the T-Mobile bands so you won't get full LTE (only HSPA). Do you know what network your friend uses his on and if he gets full LTE?
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you can consider huawei mate 8 for USA LTE support (ATT & T-Mo), it is however a 6 incher 'only' .. my only gripe is the kirin 950 SoC, while on par with other top-tier silicon in terms of performance, it is none the less huawei in house and they are not known for releasing source code, meaning no 3rd party roms and probably no upgrade beyond nougat ..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9878/the-huawei-mate-8-review
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Will Asus make a separate US version and sell it here, or will this phone be international only? I'm in the US on AT&T and would certainly like LTE capability, but I've been buying overseas phones for a while now and HSPA+ is certainly fast enough for my needs.
If Asus isn't planning on a US version i'll just get the international one...
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I purchased my Asus Zenfone 3 ultra (ZU680KL) from EBay (593.00 factory unlocked), thru Never -Msrp, out of Houston Texas, but I believe it's still the global version.
I purchased a Bring Your Own Phone Plan thru Cricket, which is owned by AT&T. So they use their towers. I have not notice any problems with getting 4g/Lte.
Getting very good call reception and internet download speeds thru Cricket. I have a HTC 10 that I gave to my wife. The download speeds are similiar on 4g with the HTC 10 and the Asus. Both phones have many of the same 4g/lte bands. Just a little faster with the HTC 10, which might be due to the HTC having a faster processor. Depending where I am at in my area, I can see the H+ changing to 4g up in the status bar of the Asus phone when driving. Consistent 4g speeds where I live here in WV. I am also not to far from an AT&T tower.
XDA has always helped me with valuable information over the years of many of my phone ownerships, so I hope this information helps.
Slbtrb79 said:
I purchased my Asus Zenfone 3 ultra (ZU680KL) from EBay (593.00 factory unlocked), thru Never -Msrp, out of Houston Texas, but I believe it's still the global version.
I purchased a Bring Your Own Phone Plan thru Cricket, which is owned by AT&T. So they use their towers. I have not notice any problems with getting 4g/Lte.
Getting very good call reception and internet download speeds thru Cricket. I have a HTC 10 that I gave to my wife. The download speeds are similiar on 4g with the HTC 10 and the Asus. Both phones have many of the same 4g/lte bands. Just a little faster with the HTC 10, which might be due to the HTC having a faster processor. Depending where I am at in my area, I can see the H+ changing to 4g up in the status bar of the Asus phone when driving. Consistent 4g speeds where I live here in WV. I am also not to far from an AT&T tower.
XDA has always helped me with valuable information over the years of many of my phone ownerships, so I hope this information helps.
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Just so people aren't confused... 4G and LTE are 2 different things.
4G = HSPA+ and is around 5-10Mbps.
LTE can be 20-30Mbps and also has much less latency.
Most people are looking for LTE in the USA and these international phones only support 4G (Which is slower than LTE but works good enough for me)
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Just so people aren't confused... 4G and LTE are 2 different things.
4G = HSPA+ and is around 5-10Mbps.
LTE can be 20-30Mbps and also has much less latency.
Most people are looking for LTE in the USA and these international phones only support 4G (Which is slower than LTE but works good enough for me)
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Thanks for your comments. I accept mostly what you wrote for most companies definition of 4G and LTE. I was going by my carriers definition or interpretation of what they call 4G LTE and just 4G. The confusion is more from the caps on the data speeds various companies have. Because to me there is little difference between saying LTE and 4G LTE.
Cricket is the carrier owned by AT&T. They call their data speeds 4G and 4G LTE. AT&T caps Cricket download speeds at what they say is 4G LTE at 8Mbps and 4Mbps download speed cap for just 4G (Referenced from Crickets's website and from www.gottabemobile.com 6/21/2015 article on this topic).
However, my earlier remarks about my Asus phone was incorrect, due to Asus limitations on their 4G/LTE phones sold to individuals in the US, even though the carrier here might support some of the same 4G/LTE bands. It's an Asus thing and probably some others too. I'm probably only getting just 4G or less. My speed tests are only showing 3Mbps and a little better on download speeds on Cricket Wireless with the Asus Zenfone 3 ultra. But I was only getting on speed tests 4Mbps and a little better download speeds with my previous HTC 10 on Cricket Wireless. I have never even gotten close to Cricket's 8Mbps on my HTC 10.
At this point I'm ok with HSPA+ (It's what i've used for years now in the US with International phones)
I'm waiting for root to surface for this phone and then i'm jumping right in
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Just so people aren't confused... 4G and LTE are 2 different things.
4G = HSPA+ and is around 5-10Mbps.
LTE can be 20-30Mbps and also has much less latency.
Most people are looking for LTE in the USA and these international phones only support 4G (Which is slower than LTE but works good enough for me)
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Please do not confuse people with false information. HSPA+ is officially considered 3.5G connection type. Long Term Evolution (LTE) is defined as a 4th generation (4G) wireless connection standard. Those are official nominations, you can find through IEEE site, Wikipedia and many other reliable sources. LTE theoretical max speed are nowhere near 20-30Mbps figure you provided - they are *much* higher. There is also LTE-A (advanced), which is also 4G but doubles the LTE speeds, and the actual LTE speeds depend on the hardware and LTE category of the modem.
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Please do not confuse people with false information. HSPA+ is officially considered 3.5G connection type. Long Term Evolution (LTE) is defined as a 4th generation (4G) wireless connection standard. Those are official nominations, you can find through IEEE site, Wikipedia and many other reliable sources. LTE theoretical max speed are nowhere near 20-30Mbps figure you provided - they are *much* higher. There is also LTE-A (advanced), which is also 4G but doubles the LTE speeds, and the actual LTE speeds depend on the hardware and LTE category of the modem.
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Apple calls HSPA+ 4G, Yes i know its not technically correct, but that's what most people associate it with.
LTE can go much faster then 30Mbps for sure, I used to get 60. But nowadays with all the people using it 20-30 is a reasonable average for what most people actually see. (The point is its much faster than HSPA+)
I only bring this up because folks ask if they can get 4G on these international phones (As not everyone is a phone nerd like us) What they are really asking is if they can get LTE on these phones and most of the time that answer is no.
Basically I want people to understand that we are talking about HSPA+ vs 4G LTE and how that relates to international phones.
Is that good?
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Apple calls HSPA+ 4G, Yes i know its not technically correct, but that's what most people associate it with.
LTE can go much faster then 30Mbps for sure, I used to get 60. But nowadays with all the people using it 20-30 is a reasonable average for what most people actually see. (The point is its much faster than HSPA+)
I only bring this up because folks ask if they can get 4G on these international phones (As not everyone is a phone nerd like us) What they are really asking is if they can get LTE on these phones and most of the time that answer is no.
Basically I want people to understand that we are talking about HSPA+ vs 4G LTE and how that relates to international phones.
Is that good?
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Apple or any other hardware manufacturers, as well as phone carriers can deploy any marketing schemes they like and call the lousy HSPA+ "4G" all they want, but it won't make it true. Neither of them gets to decide, and "most people" don't get to decide either. For the record, I disagree that most people think HSPA+ is 4G - most know better, in my opinion. The international governing body for wireless standards gets to name wireless technologies, protocols and classify by generation.
If you want people to understand that HSPA+ is different from LTE then saying "LTE can be 20-30Mbps" is not the way to go, because that would achieve the exact opposite. Theoretical max HSPA+ speeds achievable by this technology are 168 Mbps down and 22Mbps up, so defining LTE as 20-30Mbps connection makes your LTE no better than mediocre HSPA+ link. Some FDD-LTE and TDD-LTE links, based on the utilized spectrum, currently go up to 450Mbps down and 150Mbps up. Theoretical limits are much higher and LTE-A is twice faster.
While your intentions seem to be good, that still doesn't excuse providing inaccurate information, while also saying you dont want people to be confused. Confused is exactly what people would be, if they believe the info in your post. If you want to answer a question "will I get LTE in US with this phone?" - a simple "No" would be much better answer than inaccurate information you provided to "eliminate confusion". Or you could say something along those lines:
"ZenFone 3 Ultra is a GSM phone, so only AT&T or T-Mobile in US could be compatible, because Verizon and Sprint use CDMA technology. AT&T's LTE network operates on bands 2,4,5,17 (recently forced to support band 12 as part of FCC roaming support requirement) and T-Mobile's LTE network operates on bands 2,4,12 (recently forced to support band 17 as part of FCC roaming support requirement). Asus ZenFone 3 international version on the other hand, support LTE bands 1,3,5,7,8,18,19,20,26,28,38,40,41 - do you see any overlapping bands besides B5? B5 is utilized by AT&T in limited number of US regions and even there you will get extremely spotty LTE coverage, because LTE bands operate in conjunction with each other and there are constant layovers and fallbacks between frequencies, based on towers proximity".
Slbtrb79 said:
I purchased my Asus Zenfone 3 ultra (ZU680KL) from EBay (593.00 factory unlocked), thru Never -Msrp, out of Houston Texas, but I believe it's still the global version.
I purchased a Bring Your Own Phone Plan thru Cricket, which is owned by AT&T. So they use their towers. I have not notice any problems with getting 4g/Lte.
Getting very good call reception and internet download speeds thru Cricket. I have a HTC 10 that I gave to my wife. The download speeds are similiar on 4g with the HTC 10 and the Asus. Both phones have many of the same 4g/lte bands. Just a little faster with the HTC 10, which might be due to the HTC having a faster processor. Depending where I am at in my area, I can see the H+ changing to 4g up in the status bar of the Asus phone when driving. Consistent 4g speeds where I live here in WV. I am also not to far from an AT&T tower.
XDA has always helped me with valuable information over the years of many of my phone ownerships, so I hope this information helps.
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Hi!
I bought a Huawei Mediapad X2 7" display phablet last November. I used it for a month on Cricket and couldn't get good MMS service... I wouldn't get group texts or pictures... How is your Ultra doing in that regard (on Cricket)? No good MMS is a deal breaker for me... Also, the X2 came with Google and Google Play Store already installed. I am not a techie but asked a LOT of questions on xda and was walked through a successful setup (I learned a lot from other people's questions, too)... I don't root my phones... So I need good out of the box service. I have been looking for a 128GB Ultra just to compare prices to a 64GB Ultra. Have you seen any? I am waiting for the Lenovo Phab 2 Pro to be re-released but I really would love this Ultra, instead (if it works on Cricket the way I need it to)... Thanks for your time!
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Hi!
I bought a Huawei Mediapad X2 7" display phablet last November. I used it for a month on Cricket and couldn't get good MMS service... I wouldn't get group texts or pictures... How is your Ultra doing in that regard (on Cricket)? No good MMS is a deal breaker for me... Also, the X2 came with Google and Google Play Store already installed. I am not a techie but asked a LOT of questions on xda and was walked through a successful setup (I learned a lot from other people's questions, too)... I don't root my phones... So I need good out of the box service. I have been looking for a 128GB Ultra just to compare prices to a 64GB Ultra. Have you seen any? I am waiting for the Lenovo Phab 2 Pro to be re-released but I really would love this Ultra, instead (if it works on Cricket the way I need it to)... Thanks for your time!
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I have had no problems with Cricket on my Zenfone Ultra. MMS, SMS, work just fine. No problem with sending group texts and pictures. However, you will not get LTE on the Ultra, in the US. For me, the 64gb on the internal side with a 64 GB SD card, gives me plenty of space. Google and Google play came pre-installed on my Ultra. So far, I have received great service from Cricket on my Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra and my HTC 10. I love the music app, the audio wizard, and the stereo speakers. Takes great pictures. It's like having a 7 inch tablet with 4gb of ram and it's a phone. Due to the size, the music features, the picture features, the huge battery, I use this phone more than my HTC 10. The only down side that I have with this phone, is you can't get LTE here in the US and you can't unlock the bootloader yet. But personally, I was initially looking for a 7 inch tablet with 4gb of ram, stereo speakers, that also took good pictures and has a big battery. I ended up with the Ultra.
If screen size is important to you might look at the Xiaomi Mi-Max, it has 6.4 screen and nice specs. Also Huawei Mate 9 with a 5.9 inch screen with nice specs also.
Hope this helped some...
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I have had no problems with Cricket on my Zenfone Ultra. MMS, SMS, work just fine. No problem with sending group texts and pictures. However, you will not get LTE on the Ultra, in the US. For me, the 64gb on the internal side with a 64 GB SD card, gives me plenty of space. Google and Google play came pre-installed on my Ultra. So far, I have received great service from Cricket on my Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra and my HTC 10. I love the music app, the audio wizard, and the stereo speakers. Takes great pictures. It's like having a 7 inch tablet with 4gb of ram and it's a phone. Due to the size, the music features, the picture features, the huge battery, I use this phone more than my HTC 10. The only down side that I have with this phone, is you can't get LTE here in the US and you can't unlock the bootloader yet. But personally, I was initially looking for a 7 inch tablet with 4gb of ram, stereo speakers, that also took good pictures and has a big battery. I ended up with the Ultra.
If screen size is important to you might look at the Xiaomi Mi-Max, it has 6.4 screen and nice specs. Also Huawei Mate 9 with a 5.9 inch screen with nice specs also.
Hope this helped some...
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Thanks so much for your time on the detailed answer!!!
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Apo11on said:
Apple or any other hardware manufacturers, as well as phone carriers can deploy any marketing schemes they like and call the lousy HSPA+ "4G" all they want, but it won't make it true. Neither of them gets to decide, and "most people" don't get to decide either. For the record, I disagree that most people think HSPA+ is 4G - most know better, in my opinion. The international governing body for wireless standards gets to name wireless technologies, protocols and classify by generation.
If you want people to understand that HSPA+ is different from LTE then saying "LTE can be 20-30Mbps" is not the way to go, because that would achieve the exact opposite. Theoretical max HSPA+ speeds achievable by this technology are 168 Mbps down and 22Mbps up, so defining LTE as 20-30Mbps connection makes your LTE no better than mediocre HSPA+ link. Some FDD-LTE and TDD-LTE links, based on the utilized spectrum, currently go up to 450Mbps down and 150Mbps up. Theoretical limits are much higher and LTE-A is twice faster.
While your intentions seem to be good, that still doesn't excuse providing inaccurate information, while also saying you dont want people to be confused. Confused is exactly what people would be, if they believe the info in your post. If you want to answer a question "will I get LTE in US with this phone?" - a simple "No" would be much better answer than inaccurate information you provided to "eliminate confusion". Or you could say something along those lines:
"ZenFone 3 Ultra is a GSM phone, so only AT&T or T-Mobile in US could be compatible, because Verizon and Sprint use CDMA technology. AT&T's LTE network operates on bands 2,4,5,17 (recently forced to support band 12 as part of FCC roaming support requirement) and T-Mobile's LTE network operates on bands 2,4,12 (recently forced to support band 17 as part of FCC roaming support requirement). Asus ZenFone 3 international version on the other hand, support LTE bands 1,3,5,7,8,18,19,20,26,28,38,40,41 - do you see any overlapping bands besides B5? B5 is utilized by AT&T in limited number of US regions and even there you will get extremely spotty LTE coverage, because LTE bands operate in conjunction with each other and there are constant layovers and fallbacks between frequencies, based on towers proximity".
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I'm only a junior member with limited experience with these technologies, But I am just a little confused with these previous comments in regards to these discussions on HSPA+, LTE, and even Wimax for that matter. Believe me, when I say that I still have much to learn on this subject. Just because HSPA+ is different from 4G, I was always under the impression from everything I've read, that they are all still labeled as 4G technologies, as defined by the ITU. With all the above, having wide variations in consumer speeds. Also, whether a certain phone manufacturer supports a particular LTE band is just part of the whole part of the 4G technology. (Information taken from, in part, from Android Authority and Tech Radar)
Slbtrb79 said:
I'm only a junior member with limited experience with these technologies, But I am just a little confused with these previous comments in regards to these discussions on HSPA+, LTE, and even Wimax for that matter. Believe me, when I say that I still have much to learn on this subject. Just because HSPA+ is different from 4G, I was always under the impression from everything I've read, that they are all still labeled as 4G technologies, as defined by the ITU. With all the above, having wide variations in consumer speeds. Also, whether a certain phone manufacturer supports a particular LTE band is just part of the whole part of the 4G technology. (Information taken from, in part, from Android Authority and Tech Radar)
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Phrase "HSPA+ is different from 4G" has no meaning. Those are not comparible things "HSPA+" is an abbreviation for wireless protocol name, and "4G" is a generic reference to 4th generation of wireless technologies, which include several protocols. it's like comparing TV weight to picture brightness.
Judging from the phrase "whether a certain phone manufacturer supports a particular LTE band is just part of the whole part of the 4G technology" I'm not sure you understand how things work. Since approximately 4 years ago, ALL major SoCs (system on chip) support Worldwide Global LTE, all 41 bands. Here is an example of Qualcomm's Snapdragon SoCs, scroll down to "Global Mode": https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/modems/4g-lte . So, all major SoC manufacturers have been "supporting" ALL LTE bands for approximately 4 years now. Mobile device manufacturers, who partner with SoC makers like Qualcomm, or produce their own (i.e. Samsung: Exynos) control what LTE bands are actually enabled using modem's firmware, which is purely a software issue and can be changed at any time with NVRAM hack or firmware update. They decide what bands to enable based on the country the device is targeted for. Operating frequencies in each country are tightly regulated, because otherwise there are security issues, surveillance issues, interference issues (that's why they ask you to shut your phone down on a plane) and LTE frequency bands spectrum is divided to over 100 chunks, and each country/region are only allowed to operate on a specific, limited number of frequency bands. Therefore, any phone manufacturer, who wants to release wireless device with certain LTE bands enabled in a specific country, first must abide by the frequency bands international rules and then before they are allowed to sell and operate their device, their device must be approved by each country's wireless regulations governing body, which will thoroughly test the device, to make sure it meets all the required technical, safety and security standards. For example, that governing body in US is called FCC and in China it's TENAA. To sum up, what LTE bands each phone maker enables for which country, has nothing to do with being "part of the 4G technology".
Slbtrb79 said:
If screen size is important to you might look at the Xiaomi Mi-Max, it has 6.4 screen and nice specs. Also Huawei Mate 9 with a 5.9 inch screen with nice specs also.
Hope this helped some...
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Xiaomi Mi Max is a bit of an old news. This Xiaomi phone is the future. Same 6.4" screen size as Mi Max, but device size is comparable to 5.7" phone, not to mention numerous other innovations, such as ceramic body and audio transmissions via ultrasonic vibrations, instead of conventional speaker.
my oprator 4g+ work on band b3 & b7 but my phone just show 4g on statu bar but other phone like samsung show 4g+ on same area.my rom is 8.2.2 global stable.
is mi 5s plus suppport 4g+?
Maybe don't support
But I cannot call or receive calls only one SIM card work for call I use two operator
Irancell SIM card on slot 1 have internet and call other slot don't work internet and call then change sim card in slots HAMRAHawal can call in other slot irancell only have 4g internet and cannot call
When say problems with this phone in Miui forum manager banned me and don't help
I very very angry when saying problems and manager miui banned me why ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The xiaomi is cheating and cheaters the people of word and don't help the rubber is better than xiaomi
Pretty sure only SIM slot 1 supports 4G, slot 2 is 3G. I didn't buy it for the dual SIM stuff so I have only tested the first SIM slot and have had no problems with 4G.
As for 4G+, that is just a branding thing. 4G+ is 4G. there is no difference. The only reason that some phones put 4G+ on their status bar is just that they modified the icons in the ROM.
see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
If the phone says 4G, you are gettign 4G. The important quote on that page is:
Confusion has been caused by some mobile carriers who have launched products advertised as 4G but which according to some sources are pre-4G versions, commonly referred to as '3.9G', which do not follow the ITU-R defined principles for 4G standards, but today can be called 4G according to ITU-R. Vodafone NL for example, advertised LTE as '4G', while advertising now LTE Advanced as their '4G+' service which actually is (True) 4G. A common argument for branding 3.9G systems as new-generation is that they use different frequency bands from 3G technologies ; that they are based on a new radio-interface paradigm ; and that the standards are not backwards compatible with 3G, whilst some of the standards are forwards compatible with IMT-2000 compliant versions of the same standards.
4G+ is just true 4G. So if the Mi 5S Plus says 4G, you are getting 4G (or 4G+ as they are identical).
You can verify this with any LTE bandwidth monitor apps (such as signal spy) which will tell you that you are on LTE and which band you are on and you will know then that you are on 4G.
Hi mates. I'm living in Netherlands ...have problem with 4g..
My phone doesn't support band 20 ( 800 mhz )..
Is there an option to access 4g?...
Maybe flashing a custom ROM ?...
thanks
bmg002 thanks for your help.the app like signal spy does not work on my phone because of my phone is not rooted.do you know any app that i see network aggration without root?
offhand, I do not know of any non-root tools for getting any information about what network you are on.
My next best bet would be to get some bandwidth testing tool (speedtest for example) and then check what speeds you are getting out of 4G and compare that with what your provider claims you should be getting. My provider gives me 750 Mbit/s as a peak speed, and 250 Mbit/s average. If your speeds are close to that, then that is all that really matters. If it indicates 4G or 4G+ or 4G LTE or whatever indicator it says in the top, if your speeds are slower than what you are paying for, you will want to look at rooting and opening up some of the 4G channels which will likely give you better speeds.
If you still have your old phone, do a speed comparison in speedtest (or equivalent) and see if it is faster or slower on the new phone. If it is marginally slower (or faster) that can likely be ignored. If they are drastically different, then I'd look at rooting and unlocking other channels.
cultofluna said:
Hi mates. I'm living in Netherlands ...have problem with 4g..
My phone doesn't support band 20 ( 800 mhz )..
Is there an option to access 4g?...
Maybe flashing a custom ROM ?...
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If you need to access 4G and your operator only supports band 20, then your only option is to use a different phone. From everything I've read on this forum, the hardware has been modified to not support band 20 due to licensing concerns. So a custom ROM or custom Kernel will not affect being able to use band 20. There is no way around it at this time that I am aware of.
Now, if your provider uses a band other than band 20 (or uses 20 and another band), then you can open up the other bands. There are several posts about doing that.
bmg002 said:
Pretty sure only SIM slot 1 supports 4G, slot 2 is 3G. I didn't buy it for the dual SIM stuff so I have only tested the first SIM slot and have had no problems with 4G.
As for 4G+, that is just a branding thing. 4G+ is 4G. there is no difference. The only reason that some phones put 4G+ on their status bar is just that they modified the icons in the ROM.
see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
If the phone says 4G, you are gettign 4G. The important quote on that page is:
Confusion has been caused by some mobile carriers who have launched products advertised as 4G but which according to some sources are pre-4G versions, commonly referred to as '3.9G', which do not follow the ITU-R defined principles for 4G standards, but today can be called 4G according to ITU-R. Vodafone NL for example, advertised LTE as '4G', while advertising now LTE Advanced as their '4G+' service which actually is (True) 4G. A common argument for branding 3.9G systems as new-generation is that they use different frequency bands from 3G technologies ; that they are based on a new radio-interface paradigm ; and that the standards are not backwards compatible with 3G, whilst some of the standards are forwards compatible with IMT-2000 compliant versions of the same standards.
4G+ is just true 4G. So if the Mi 5S Plus says 4G, you are getting 4G (or 4G+ as they are identical).
You can verify this with any LTE bandwidth monitor apps (such as signal spy) which will tell you that you are on LTE and which band you are on and you will know then that you are on 4G.
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Everything you say is just false.
it is really easy
4G : 150MB/s max
4G+ : (phone connected to two 4G frequencies) 300MB/s max
4G++ : (three 4G frequencies) 600MB/s max
Xiaomi MI 5s is supposed to support up to three 4G frequencies at the same time BUT, in a lot of case, like here, in france, band 3 (1800Mhz) and band 7 (2600Mhz) are the two compatible 4G freq, BUT Mi5S Plus can't connect to 2 freq simultaneously and we don't really know the reason, in china it's not FDD LTE but TDD lte and it works, maybe it just doesn't work on FDD...
This is what we are asking to dev, find a way to enable dual or triple 4G freq in FDD LTE to acces high speed 4G.
I'm sure it's somthing to do with modem or kernel modification :S
Best regards
At the risk of starting a flame war, could you cite your sources on that?
I believe the speeds you quoted are wrong. Telus up here in Canada operates on 4G LTE version 8 which supports up to 750 Mbps max, but to expect average speeds around 200 Mbps (http://www.telus.com/en/sk/mobility/network/). NOTE - 750 Mbps is 93 MB/s approximately. Mind you, independant studies show that average speeds are closer to 20 Mbps for telus ().
Now, correcting my previous post - I was incorrect about our phones supporting 4G+. I misinterpreted the wikipedia article.
Looking at GSM Arena for our phone, it only supports LTE and thus not 4G+ (http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_5s_plus-8350.php). If you look up the galaxy S8+ for example, it supports LTE-A which would be 4G+.
We can read about LTE-A here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced
and you can see which speeds different carriers offer here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
For example, Telus, which I am on, only recently added support for category 11 - 600 Mbps.
The 4G++ that you speak of I believe is LTE-A Pro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced_Pro). But they are not referring to it as 4G++ but as 4.5G or 4.5G Pro.
Looking at this article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_devices_with_LTE_Advanced#Xiaomi - it appears that our phones do not support 4G LTE-A. What is a little confusing is that the 5s does support LTE-A.
I could be mistaken, but I am pretty sure it is a hardware restriction to not support LTE-A.
baptisteba said:
Everything you say is just false.
it is really easy
4G : 150MB/s max
4G+ : (phone connected to two 4G frequencies) 300MB/s max
4G++ : (three 4G frequencies) 600MB/s max
Xiaomi MI 5s is supposed to support up to three 4G frequencies at the same time BUT, in a lot of case, like here, in france, band 3 (1800Mhz) and band 7 (2600Mhz) are the two compatible 4G freq, BUT Mi5S Plus can't connect to 2 freq simultaneously and we don't really know the reason, in china it's not FDD LTE but TDD lte and it works, maybe it just doesn't work on FDD...
This is what we are asking to dev, find a way to enable dual or triple 4G freq in FDD LTE to acces high speed 4G.
I'm sure it's somthing to do with modem or kernel modification :S
Best regards
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At the risk of starting a flame war, could you cite your sources on that?
I believe the speeds you quoted are wrong. Telus up here in Canada operates on 4G LTE version 8 which supports up to 750 Mbps max, but to expect average speeds around 200 Mbps (http://www.telus.com/en/sk/mobility/network/). NOTE - 750 Mbps is 93 MB/s approximately. Mind you, independant studies show that average speeds are closer to 20 Mbps for telus ().
Now, correcting my previous post - I was incorrect about our phones supporting 4G+. I misinterpreted the wikipedia article.
Looking at GSM Arena for our phone, it only supports LTE and thus not 4G+ (http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_5s_plus-8350.php). If you look up the galaxy S8+ for example, it supports LTE-A which would be 4G+.
We can read about LTE-A here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced
and you can see which speeds different carriers offer here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
For example, Telus, which I am on, only recently added support for category 11 - 600 Mbps.
The 4G++ that you speak of I believe is LTE-A Pro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced_Pro). But they are not referring to it as 4G++ but as 4.5G or 4.5G Pro.
Looking at this article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_devices_with_LTE_Advanced#Xiaomi - it appears that our phones do not support 4G LTE-A. What is a little confusing is that the 5s does support LTE-A.
I could be mistaken, but I am pretty sure it is a hardware restriction to not support LTE-A.
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After some search, Mi5S Plus is only 4G+ intraband and not with interband 4G+
I sold mi5s plus and buy redmi 5 plus better
I don't say mi 5s plus used for 4g or4gplus
I say only my phone don't getting call
Or internet in sim1 by one operator change operator in sim1 to irancell operator only have internet cannot call or get call
The problem is from www.hamta.com must phone registered in this site in Iran for use
Hello dear u should unlock all lte band for using 4g+ in iran i tested this phone in uae and china have 4g+
How can I do it? I just installed Lineage 17 and only appear LTE. I am in Italy and with a brand new P40 Pro Huawei peak download is ~150 mbps but with mi5s plus this is the best can achive.
While Qualcom specs speak of 600mbps for the X12 modem inside the Snapdragon 821
MMyco1 said:
Hello dear u should unlock all lte band for using 4g+ in iran i tested this phone in uae and china have 4g+
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Thanks to this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/guide-how-to-unlock-bands-and-5g-on-700mhz.4114679/post-84040943 and Network Signal Guru app, I know that available bands for this phone are unlocked.
Why only poor performance on this phone? How to improve them?
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After some search, Mi5S Plus is only 4G+ intraband and not with interband 4G+
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I really don't understand why there has been so few attention in respect of this feature so central for a modern smartphone...
Hey everyone,
the new Zenfone 6 is amazing, besides the FlipCamera it has nearly everything (big battery, microSD, 3,5 mm headphone,...).
Just one thing irritates me: there are three Versions A, B and C, as one can see here under "Network Standard"
https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-6-ZS630KL/Tech-Specs/
So can someone tell me what that means? Like if I get the European version A (with Band 20), will I than for instance not be able to use it in the USA for telephone / SMS?! Or just not LTE / can I still use it like on UMTS? No LTE at all or just not certain carriers?
Hope someone can make it clear to me, thanks in advance
You'll be able to use it anywhere, it's just there's slightly less band coverage, so some networks in some countries would be nixed.
See Kimovil.com for network compatibility.
Gearbest currently have the 6GB / 64GB Version C (most bands) for €495.
It means you'll have to be sure to verify you get the version with the bands needed for your particular carrier. You have to be very careful and verify before buying as it seems with the ZenFone 5Z, for example, sellers don't always properly clarify which version they're selling.
You need to find out which of the main bands your phone carrier uses then match them up to one of the versions. I use AT&T prepaid, so for for example I need a phone with coverage for bands 2,4,5,8, and 17 if I recall correctly.
If some bands aren't covered you won't have LTE in that area, as not all areas you're in are using the same network frequency bands. Therefore coverage can get worse when you travel with a phone without full band support.
Checked out the bands available on the Asus site you linked (thank you very much BTW) and it seems they are missing bands 66(extension of band 4) & 71 (600mhz frequency) so it seems like it may work okay on TMobile.
What do you guys think if those two bands are missing? Will it be detrimental to daily use or not really? Currently on an OG Pixel and this Asus offering is looking like a future purchase!!
CDMA (Sprint or Verizon) compatiblity in the US?
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CDMA (Sprint or Verizon) compatiblity in the US?
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Looks like the C variants might work for you but double check the bands for your carrier Kimovil.com.
mudnightoil said:
See Kimovil.com for network compatibility.
Gearbest currently have the 6GB / 64GB Version C (most bands) for €495.
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Thanks for the hint.
I need Band 20 (O2 Germany), so I can only use Version A (so no B or C for me).
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I just checked: T-Online and Vodafone use Band 20 and 32 (in Germany), but none of the three versions support both.
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If some bands aren't covered you won't have LTE in that area, as not all areas you're in are using the same network frequency bands. Therefore coverage can get worse when you travel with a phone without full band support.
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Ok, but does it mean I will at least have telephone and SMS in those areas, where the LTE band won't be supported?!
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Ok, but does it mean I will at least have telephone and SMS in those areas, where the LTE band won't be supported?!
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Yes, as long at the other bands are supported (which they should be) it will drop to 3G/4G or whatever. That's why people using some Chinese phones for example in the USA can use everything but LTE.
You might
need to check however about VoLTE, I think. I don't have T-Mobile but you should read more about that as I've seen it mentioned in XDA & other places.
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> Gearbest currently have the 6GB / 64GB Version C (most bands) for €495
I only see the A version there. Where did you find the C version?
This device just hit my radar... looks like we might have an upgrade winner!
For Tmobile US, C model is the way to go. The two highest bands that are missing with this device would get you better signal indoors / less interference, but I am not sure how far along that tech even is.
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The two highest bands that are missing with this device would get you better signal indoors / less interference, but I am not sure how far along that tech even is.
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By highest bands do you mean 66 and 71? The only phones that use band 71 at the moment are Samsung s8 Active and LG V30. I currently have an OG Pixel and it does not use 66 or 71 and I get great coverage in the East coast even when going north into the mountains.
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By highest bands do you mean 66 and 71? The only phones that use band 71 at the moment are Samsung s8 Active and LG V30. I currently have an OG Pixel and it does not use 66 or 71 and I get great coverage in the East coast even when going north into the mountains.
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Yep, those are the two. Those two are still relatively new, and general Tmo coverage continues to improve here in Colorado.
I imagine that once the phone is sold on the asus.com website that particular variant will support all the main carriers LTE bands. I would be surprised if there were any major issues with that otherwise what's the point of even selling it in the USA?
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I imagine that once the phone is sold on the asus.com website that particular variant will support all the main carriers LTE bands.
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Yes, for example in the case of the 5Z I just ordered (to get me by since I desperately need a phone with a better camera & no OLED to cause eye strain) the bands listed for phones at the Asus USA online store cover AT&T properly and to the best of my knowledge T-Mobile as well.
I figured out that they don't list phones there that aren't USA network compatible. I still check, regardless, just to feel 100% sure but that's what I found.
It's the 3rd party sellers you really need to be careful about and always verify.
The OnePlus 7 pro has bands 66 and 71.
This probably would have been my first choice until I noticed the different versions. With more and more manufacturers choosing to release single, global bands phones, I really don't understand why Asus insist on continuing to release regional versions of their phones.
Back in the days when everyone made regional models, I had the Padfone Infinity 2 and it was a great phone (until a late OTA release have it the new ZenUI, which was promptly removed). After reading that the latest ZenUI 6 has been slimmed down to an almost stock Android experience, I thought it might once again be similar to what Asus provided before ZenUI came along and that I can now once again consider Asus phones. Wrong!
I spend time in both Europe and Asia and there is no version that covers both areas major LTE bands. So Asus will have to remain on the list of phones to ignore.
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This probably would have been my first choice until I noticed the different versions. With more and more manufacturers choosing to release single, global bands phones, I really don't understand why Asus insist on continuing to release regional versions of their phones.
Back in the days when everyone made regional models, I had the Padfone Infinity 2 and it was a great phone (until a late OTA release have it the new ZenUI, which was promptly removed). After reading that the latest ZenUI 6 has been slimmed down to an almost stock Android experience, I thought it might once again be similar to what Asus provided before ZenUI came along and that I can now once again consider Asus phones. Wrong!
I spend time in both Europe and Asia and there is no version that covers both areas major LTE bands. So Asus will have to remain on the list of phones to ignore.
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I'm in the same position. The C version covers everything I need except for Band 20 which is a necessity throughout Europe. The A version has Bamd 20 but won't work on US LTE. They did the same thing with the Zenfone 2 and inexplicably mixed up the bands regionally. I'll stick with my NexS for now but keep an eye on this phone in case the Limited edition they usually release solves the problem.
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The OnePlus 7 pro has bands 66 and 71.
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I don't want the OP7. This isn't the OP7 forum.