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So how's the Gear 2 wake up behavior?

One of the most annoying things of the Gear 1 is the motion to wake up the watch. Is it improved? I watched a bunch of hands on but they all tell the same story. No word about the fact that the display can't be lit all the time and that you have to do some abracadabra to wake the device. Most curious about any improvements in this department.

appelflap said:
One of the most annoying things of the Gear 1 is the motion to wake up the watch. Is it improved? I watched a bunch of hands on but they all tell the same story. No word about the fact that the display can't be lit all the time and that you have to do some abracadabra to wake the device. Most curious about any improvements in this department.
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well you can't have screen all the time due to technology used. AMOLED. if it would be LCD then you could have screen on all the time, but without background light (like in sony smartwatch 2). i already got used to blank screen, and i just turn the screen on/off with a single button.

hurdlejade said:
well you can't have screen all the time due to technology used. AMOLED. if it would be LCD then you could have screen on all the time, but without background light (like in sony smartwatch 2). i already got used to blank screen, and i just turn the screen on/off with a single button.
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I know. I'm wondering if they made the watch more sensitive for motions, introduced a new or better wake up motion etc . Definitely want to know more about that.

if samsung did not mention it, then probably it's the same.

hurdlejade said:
if samsung did not mention it, then probably it's the same.
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That would be a detail for people coming from the Gear1.
If the battery life is better they might have add a more sensitive option.
Btw personally I dont mind to charge the watch every night. Just some routine. I like it even better than checking the battery to see if it needs to be charged again. So if they made the wake up motion more sensitive and could still pump one day out of the battery, it would definitely be a reason for me to upgrade. Otherwise I see no compelling reasons.

I understand what OP is saying. I'm interested to know that answer as well. I actually had to turn motion off because the watch constantly stayed on while driving all day. It would kill my battery. With it off and me pressing the on button as needed, I get at least 3 days of battery life. A better motion sensor could possibly solve this issue.

alprazolam said:
I understand what OP is saying. I'm interested to know that answer as well. I actually had to turn motion off because the watch constantly stayed on while driving all day. It would kill my battery. With it off and me pressing the on button as needed, I get at least 3 days of battery life. A better motion sensor could possibly solve this issue.
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I noticed having non-TW launcher caused issues with the motion sensor. Using stock had better motion sensor.

Sepharite said:
I noticed having non-TW launcher caused issues with the motion sensor. Using stock had better motion sensor.
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what kind of issues did you have? i had none with nova.

I read a hand on today where the reviewer said it does turn on with the flick up of the wrist but that it doesn't turn on right away, like a couple of seconds delay. That isn't good. I want it to be quick like the pebble when you shake the wrist slightly the light comes on. Hopefully they tweak that before it is released....
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hurdlejade said:
what kind of issues did you have? i had none with nova.
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I haven't had any problems with it either.

everlast716 said:
I read a hand on today where the reviewer said it does turn on with the flick up of the wrist but that it doesn't turn on right away, like a couple of seconds delay. That isn't good. I want it to be quick like the pebble when you shake the wrist slightly the light comes on. Hopefully they tweak that before it is released....
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That's what I want. I move my arm to that wrist up position to much so the watch is almost always on. I wish it had the option to shake the wrist instead so I have better control.

Personally the only good thing about this watch is the motion thing. It works like a good 90-95% of the time. Wake up is excellent on it. However, it goes crazy when your driving.

Changing the Dual LEDS

Has anyone thought of changing the leds to brighter ones?
Wondering if someone tried that(and failed? ..no seriously I'm just wondering if someone tried to replace these smd leds to better ones)
Led technology evolves quite fast so they should be better leds out there by now, or having the same brighness but better power consumption(less heat)

just use an external LED gadget.

evronetwork said:
Has anyone thought of changing the leds to brighter ones?
Wondering if someone tried that(and failed? ..no seriously I'm just wondering if someone tried to replace these smd leds to better ones)
Led technology evolves quite fast so they should be better leds out there by now, or having the same brighness but better power consumption(less heat)
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do you want Led with more colours? cuz brightness is already fine.

chenrp said:
just use an external LED gadget.
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Mr.Ak said:
do you want Led with more colours? cuz brightness is already fine.
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This is small talk about mods and curiosity guys, @chenrp no need to do such thing just wondering
@Mr.Ak far from perfect, if it was Xenon flash brightness that would be true but it's not ..especially outdoor the "flash" is next to useless

evronetwork said:
This is small talk about mods and curiosity guys, @chenrp no need to do such thing just wondering
@Mr.Ak far from perfect, if it was Xenon flash brightness that would be true but it's not ..especially outdoor the "flash" is next to useless
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Hmm,it's pretty much fine here on outdoor too.I don't recall even any custom kernel having " Notification Led Brightness" feature,though there are many color changing features.
Well,you can use ambient display too or you can set the camera flashlight as a notification light,then it would be bright,lol.It would be similar to S Light feature introduced on Note devices, there's an app on PS which does all that.

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Hmm,it's pretty much fine here on outdoor too.I don't recall even any custom kernel having " Notification Led Brightness" feature,though there are many color changing features.
Well,you can use ambient display too or you can set the camera flashlight as a notification light,then it would be bright,lol.It would be similar to S Light feature introduced on Note devices, there's an app on PS which does all that.
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He's talking about the LED flash bro (used by camera), not notification LED.

Gawd said:
He's talking about the LED flash bro (used by camera), not notification LED.
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Ohh,I see..at first I thought its notification led because,who will use flash light in outdoor?

Gawd said:
He's talking about the LED flash bro (used by camera), not notification LED.
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exactly
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Ohh,I see..at first I thought its notification led because,who will use flash light in outdoor?
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Led notification has no purpose of changing heh (who uses flash? hmm why not be able to use it?)
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Others leds that NEEDS to be changed are the hardware button leds, these are VERY dim(can't see them unless completely darkness. I could try such changes myself if I has a spare 1+1 that I didn't care if it dies in my hands(anyone care to donate a phone for the greater good? ahhahhaah) ...I'm good with my hands but I'd never try to mod such things in my daily driver, it would be great for the hardware buttons to use "proper" leds there

notification light

I know on the launch they talked about the light on the edge of the screen.
I don't see this option on my phone or I am missing something??

catchawabbit said:
I know on the launch they talked about the light on the edge of the screen.
I don't see this option on my phone or I am missing something??
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You're not missing something, it's supposed to come in a future update soon. I think it was mentioned in that ask me anything on oneplus.com

Think it flashes for one second. Dont have the phone but I think you can enable it in display settings somewhere

Harry Pothead said:
You're not missing something, it's supposed to come in a future update soon. I think it was mentioned in that ask me anything on oneplus.com
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Reviewers already shown that it's already working.
I don't have the device yet to tell the steps find the edge lighting setting.
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I've looked everywhere for the option. I couldn't find it.
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Mine has the light on the edges with notification
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I have it now. I literally tapped everything that had notification on it. Will have to investigate to find which option exactly it is

catchawabbit said:
I have it now. I literally tapped everything that had notification on it. Will have to investigate to find which option exactly it is
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I can't find it In settings either just yet. But lights up blue when they come in
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catchawabbit said:
I know on the launch they talked about the light on the edge of the screen.
I don't see this option on my phone or I am missing something??
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There is no option that I found to turn it on or off. It just works....When you receive at text you will receive a blue light is going to appear down the curved side of the glass. It happens really fast. They should really have an option to extend how long you will see it for.
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jdidtht said:
I can't find it In settings either just yet. But lights up blue when they come in
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You probably just need to have ambient display enabled for new notifications. Bit of a useless feature mind you.Needs inprovment to flash or pulse but could then become a battery drain

According to an ask me anything session in their forums they are looking into making it more customizable and are also considering adding Always On Display:
Q: Any enhancements in OOS to utilize the curved display in 7Pro?
A: Edge lighting for notification would be a handy feature and we are still considering to add more features that will utilize the curved display in future.
Q: Are the edge notification colors customizable?
A: Not as of now but its something we are considering for future updates
Q: Is there any consideration of added a Always On Display feature? I currently own the Galaxy S8 and I actually like the AoD feature.
A: It's still under consideration. We are working on improving power consumption efficiency for this feature before we implement it.
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The edge lighting is pretty useless as is. It flashes for one cycle then disappears. I don't understand how OnePlus thinks this is of any use. Normal people don't stare at their phones all day hoping to catch a glimpse of a notification. I also don't want to have to pick up the phone or tap the screen to check. They opted for no LED, so make edge lighting persistent and customizable. The promise of this feature was actually one of the main reasons I upgraded from the 6T. The 7 Pro is a very impressive device but edge lighting in its current form is worthless.

Isn't there a Notification Reminder in Accessibility

jgoedhard said:
Isn't there a Notification Reminder in Accessibility
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no

found this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.used.aoe&hl=de
looks ok until OP build in this feature

Really hope the add AOD. Miss that from my 2XL.

BPM said:
found this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.used.aoe&hl=de
looks ok until OP build in this feature
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I was just getting ready to post this. I used it on my 6T, S10+ (untill Holey Light came out) and now also using it on my 7 Pro.
Once set up it works great.

Still don't have the phone, but does this app cause the phone not to go to deep sleep (causing loads of wakelocks)? And does it contribute to screen on time? (meaning that the phone thinks that you're using the screen while it's only the edge lighting that is on).

Makes sense to stay until cleared (comparing with Samsung devices all the time clock on). At the end this is the same display which can handle it without too much battery drainage

Moto Active Display? (or similar?)

All the incredible steps forward in phones and ROM's, and I still can't get myself to forget how much I looooved that Moto Active Display. I miss it so much. ?
Seems like such a step backward not to have it, and Android always seems to be about having everything you can imagine.
Is there any ROM's, Modules, or Apps I can use on my 7P to get this feature back?

What features you talking about specifically

kenbrownstone said:
What features you talking about specifically
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The display screen flashes when you get a message, and will continue to flash occasionally until you pick up phone.
Anytime you wave your hand over screen it wakes up for a moment.
You can push on any notification and it will give you a lot more info about that notification.
If you swipe up on a notification it will take you directly to that app.
Much more interactive.
I'll find a YouTube video...

You can skip the 1st minute...

I think back in the Android 4.3-4.4.4 days we had this features even in custom Roms. I wonder why its gone. Todays active display is nice but is much less interactive. I would also be happy if some big dev would make some code which the ROMs can implement it.

Tiz92 said:
I think back in the Android 4.3-4.4.4 days we had this features even in custom Roms. I wonder why its gone. Todays active display is nice but is much less interactive. I would also be happy if some big dev would make some code which the ROMs can implement it.
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Probably because drained the battery too much. Today's AOD consume only 0.1-0.5% per hour.

Dew Me said:
The display screen flashes when you get a message, and will continue to flash occasionally until you pick up phone.
Anytime you wave your hand over screen it wakes up for a moment.
You can push on any notification and it will give you a lot more info about that notification.
If you swipe up on a notification it will take you directly to that app.
Much more interactive.
I'll find a YouTube video...
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.newgen.alwayson&hl=en
This app has all that. Having it just to light up when you touch the screen shouldnt take much battery. Keeping it always on however is another story.

Tiz92 said:
I think back in the Android 4.3-4.4.4 days we had this features even in custom Roms. I wonder why its gone. Todays active display is nice but is much less interactive. I would also be happy if some big dev would make some code which the ROMs can implement it.
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Yes! ☺
Yeah, it came on my 4.4.4 device.
It was when Google owned Moto, so it gave Moto better access to Android to do something special, and everyone always seemed to agree Moto did it better than Google, but it has disappeared. ?
The app discussed after your post seems it might offer some of that though. I'm gonna check it out.

paysen said:
Probably because drained the battery too much. Today's AOD consume only 0.1-0.5% per hour.
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I have heard this discussed, and, while I understood the concern in theory, I never understood d it in practice.
Meaning I used a phone with it for a long time (Droid Turbo) and I always felt like I had GREAT battery life. Granted it was a big battery @ the time with 3700,but I got 2 days out of the battery sometimes, and I'm not a light user.

Batteries complains are nonsense. It consumes less then a regular always on display. Its just a features which dissapeared for some reason (as others did also).

trapcoder666 said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.newgen.alwayson&hl=en
This app has all that. Having it just to light up when you touch the screen shouldnt take much battery. Keeping it always on however is another story.
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I DL'd it and have been playing.
I found the preview to see what it will look like, but waiting for a notification to come in to make sure it actually turns on is like waiting for a kettle to boil...only worse, cuz ya can't tell if the burner is on.
Looks like it's gonna do the trick though. ?

Sensor next to front cam?

Hi guys,
Noticed a very interesting thing today: suddenly a white light started to pulse next to the front cam every time I was tilting the phone. It was quick 3-4 pulses with strict intervals as if a sensor was working. It didn't pulse when phone was in a fixed position, only when tilting, in all apps.
A reboot fixed this, but I wonder if there is any sensor there that activated because of something? Never experienced this before!
Any thoughts what it can be? Thx.

Sounds like proximity sensor to me.

znel52 said:
Sounds like proximity sensor to me.
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Thanks. I also thought so but the phone didn't turn off the screen when I was placing my finger on that sensor. The proximity sensor should turn the screen off as far as I am aware. Maybe a glitch after doing a video call via Viber?

VirtualWaver said:
Thanks. I also thought so but the phone didn't turn off the screen when I was placing my finger on that sensor. The proximity sensor should turn the screen off as far as I am aware. Maybe a glitch after doing a video call via Viber?
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A glitch with viber thats causing excessive proximity sensor usage. It will eventually burn the pixels around that area like the other post posted today.

Limeybastard said:
A glitch with viber thats causing excessive proximity sensor usage. It will eventually burn the pixels around that area like the other post posted today.
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Thanks for this! I did test my screen and all looks good but this is worrying. However, this only happened once although I use Viber video calls every day.

VirtualWaver said:
Thanks for this! I did test my screen and all looks good but this is worrying. However, this only happened once although I use Viber video calls every day.
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Im going to try this out myself next week and see what's going on. Mine ain't coming until Monday.

Limeybastard said:
A glitch with viber thats causing excessive proximity sensor usage. It will eventually burn the pixels around that area like the other post posted today.
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Hoe bright is it?
Normally it could blink during SOT and with that duty cycle it will outlast many of the other screen pixels.
Or is there something I'm missing???
Are it's pixels IR?

blackhawk said:
Hoe bright is it?
Normally it could blink during SOT and with that duty cycle it will outlast many of the other screen pixels.
Or is there something I'm missing???
Are it's pixels IR?
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Who's a hoe?
Probably much ado about nothing. But I can't test it. , The only thing that came to mind was screen being full brightness and proximity sensor being on for hours causing this. But just a hunch .

Limeybastard said:
A glitch with viber thats causing excessive proximity sensor usage. It will eventually burn the pixels around that area like the other post posted today.
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Limeybastard said:
Who's a hoe?
Probably much ado about nothing. But I can't test it. , The only thing that came to mind was screen being full brightness and proximity sensor being on for hours causing this. But just a hunch .
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Even at full brightness because it's flashing, it's duty cycle is less than the surrounding pixels plus it will "flash" by darkening its pixels depending on screen color.
If it has specialized IR emitters I could see that happening maybe; if there's a design or manufacturing flaw.
Because it's flashing visible light it would be hard to use a cam to detect IR... which is how I normally check IR emitters.

While it was easily seen on the Note 10 i can't see it on the Note 20

Nastrahl said:
While it was easily seen on the Note 10 i can't see it on the Note 20
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Interesting. Maybe it uses IR diodes?
If it doesn't display when it's active maybe that's why some think it's "burnt out"?
Lol, until someone mentioned the flashing circle I never noticed it.

blackhawk said:
Interesting. Maybe it uses IR diodes?
If it doesn't display when it's active maybe that's why some think it's "burnt out"?
Lol, until someone mentioned the flashing circle I never noticed it.
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I don't know.
I've read that they replaced all the sensors with the front camera, and that′s one of the battery killer since a few were completely passive like the ambiant light one, that's now active.
When a passive sensor needs no electricity to operate, an active needs to, and the camera can't work passively so it drains battery.
They advised to turn off all the features that use the front camera as a sensor like the auto brightness, smart stay (and also what can use the accelerometer like smart alert and raise to turn on the screen), etc. to avoid the process Android System to take to much battery.

Nastrahl said:
While it was easily seen on the Note 10 i can't see it on the Note 20
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Nastrahl said:
I don't know.
I've read that they replaced all the sensors with the front camera, and that′s one of the battery killer since a few were completely passive like the ambiant light one, that's now active.
When a passive sensor needs no electricity to operate, an active needs to, and the camera can't work passively so it drains battery.
They advised to turn off all the features that use the front camera as a sensor like the auto brightness, smart stay (and also what can use the accelerometer like smart alert and raise to turn on the screen), etc. to avoid the process Android System to take to much battery.
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Even passive sensors use some current although it may be in the microamps.
Autobrightness is a trash apk anyway.
Seems highly unlikely that the whole cam be used for these functions if at all.

VirtualWaver said:
Thanks. I also thought so but the phone didn't turn off the screen when I was placing my finger on that sensor. The proximity sensor should turn the screen off as far as I am aware. Maybe a glitch after doing a video call via Viber?
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Not sure if anyone told you this sorry haven't had time to read the thread but I would suggest avoiding viber calls on this phone. The proximity sensor is damaging the screen when on viber. It seems viber is accessing the sensor too aggressively.
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warriorvibhu said:
Not sure if anyone told you this sorry haven't had time to read the thread but I would suggest avoiding viber calls on this phone. The proximity sensor is damaging the screen when on viber. It seems viber is accessing the sensor too aggressively.
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You know this is most likely a digital circuit; a fixed voltage of an either high or low value... those values are fixed and don't change. Even firmware can't alter that let alone apks. Duty cycle rate/length maybe.
This urban rumor about the proximity sensor causing screen damage has been around since at least 2015, long before OLED screens.
A Google search yielded nothing except this:
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-S10/Proximity-sensor-issues-S10-S10/td-p/498492/page/9

blackhawk said:
Even passive sensors use some current although it may be in the microamps.
Autobrightness is a trash apk anyway.
Seems highly unlikely that the whole cam be used for these functions if at all.
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Trash apk ? Sorry i meant the built-in adaptive brightness.
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blackhawk said:
You know this is most likely a digital circuit; a fixed voltage of an either high or low value... those values are fixed and don't change. Even firmware can't alter that let alone apks. Duty cycle rate/length maybe.
This urban rumor about the proximity sensor causing screen damage has been around since at least 2015, long before OLED screens.
A Google search yielded nothing except this:
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-S10/Proximity-sensor-issues-S10-S10/td-p/498492/page/9
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I personally never heard about it. Thanks for the insight

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Trash apk ? Sorry i meant the built-in adaptive brightness"
I personally never heard about it. Thanks for the insight
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My opinions.
There certainly are long standing Samsung issues that span more then one generation of phones. The proximity sensor trashing the screen doesn't appear to exist at all. If anything it conserves screen life.
Auto brightness was always twitchy even on my S4+.
Auto brightness was never truly adaptive... and still isn't. Lol, all it does is give me a headache and waste resources.
The other thing is I always try to avoid using my phones in direct sunlight. Very rarely do I ever go past 65% brightness.
Direct sunlight+high ambient temperature+high power consumption can really overheat a phone fast.
Even worse...
Auto brightness on+charging+sunlight+accidental screen turn on that's not noticed, can fry a phone in a few minutes. Real easy to do in the car... been there.

blackhawk said:
My opinions.
There certainly are long standing Samsung issues that span more then one generation of phones. The proximity sensor trashing the screen doesn't appear to exist at all. If anything it conserves screen life.
Auto brightness was always twitchy even on my S4+.
Auto brightness was never truly adaptive... and still isn't. Lol, all it does is give me a headache and waste resources.
The other thing is I always try to avoid using my phones in direct sunlight. Very rarely do I ever go past 65% brightness.
Direct sunlight+high ambient temperature+high power consumption can really overheat a phone fast.
Even worse...
Auto brightness on+charging+sunlight+accidental screen turn on that's not noticed, can fry a phone in a few minutes. Real easy to do in the car... been there.
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Thanks, i never thought about that so it's a very valuable information.
Just in case if it can be useful :
A few years ago I found an app called Underburn which is a complete new approach about adaptive brightness.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.out386.underburn
Instead of adjusting the screen brightness from the ambient light, it set it according of the amount of white pixels displayed on screen to avoid binding you, and it doesn't care about sunlight.
The more white is displayed, the more it will dim the screen (by reducing the screen brightness, not by applying a filter ; even if there's also a setting for that if its too bright for you even at the minimum level) by the amount of your choosing.
It can play a role to save battery too somehow.

Nastrahl said:
Thanks, i never thought about that so it's a very valuable information.
Just in case if it can be useful :
A few years ago I found an app called Underburn which is a complete new approach about adaptive brightness.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.out386.underburn
Instead of adjusting the screen brightness from the ambient light, it set it according of the amount of white pixels displayed on screen to avoid binding you, and it doesn't care about sunlight.
The more white is displayed, the more it will dim the screen (by reducing the screen brightness, not by applying a filter ; even if there's also a setting for that if its too bright for you even at the minimum level) by the amount of your choosing.
It can play a role to save battery too somehow.
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Thank you
I'll take a look at it. I'm running on dark mode but since it's Pie it's not native to all apps like Gmail which burns my eyes out.
*I'm playing with it. It will run on Pie. It takes some time to set up but definitely has potential.
Haven't been able to fairly gauge it's configured battery usage.