XtremeGuard - 90% Off Code - Galaxy Note 4 Accessories

I haven't seen anything about this posted here so i thought I'd share, I received an email from XtremeGuard with a code for 90% off any purchase.
Here's the code : 90OFF1
http://www.xtremeguard.com/mobile/Category.aspx?id=200

airmaxx23 said:
i haven't seen anything about this posted here so i thought i'd share, i received an email from xtremeguard with a code for 90% off any purchase.
Here's the code : 90off1
http://www.xtremeguard.com/mobile/category.aspx?id=200
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these are garbage!!!

I know there was someone who had a non-halo install on their Note 4 but I just tried this morning and I got a halo with the tempered glass. Good thing their refund policy is good.

Do not buy
Now I know why they're selling these for so cheap. Not just because the tempered glass doesn't fit properly and has the halo effect, but the plastics, dry and wet install, aren't even cut correctly.
For the dry install: There is no way to center the button hole and have the rest of the protector centered.
For the wet install FRONT: They did a little better with centering the button hole but it looks like someone cut it by hand.
For the wet install BACK: I don't know what was happening when they made the back but I have the Verizon and apparently I got a different version because the camera/flash/sensor hole is not right. They dimpled out the area around the head phone which you cant line up if you want to have the speaker not covered. And I don't even know why they put notch in for the pry area, if that is what that notch is for, because its way off. And it also looks like they cut it by hand.
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THIS PLACE.
This is an example of the back: http://goo.gl/8g890M

Its not the company.
Yes their shipping methods can use some better insulation techniques cost prohibited.
Their products are good used on other devices with success . Its not jus xtreme glass thats an issuem its the note 4 screen thats causing the issues.
For the time being untill a company makes a curved glass.
The hallo will remain unless you have verizon
Basically

david3800 said:
Now I know why they're selling these for so cheap. Not just because the tempered glass doesn't fit properly and has the halo effect, but the plastics, dry and wet install, aren't even cut correctly.
For the dry install: There is no way to center the button hole and have the rest of the protector centered.
For the wet install FRONT: They did a little better with centering the button hole but it looks like someone cut it by hand.
For the wet install BACK: I don't know what was happening when they made the back but I have the Verizon and apparently I got a different version because the camera/flash/sensor hole is not right. They dimpled out the area around the head phone which you cant line up if you want to have the speaker not covered. And I don't even know why they put notch in for the pry area, if that is what that notch is for, because its way off. And it also looks like they cut it by hand.
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THIS PLACE.
This is an example of the back: http://goo.gl/8g890M
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The S5, iPhone and Note 3 Spartan Glass are great.

raiu said:
these are garbage!!!
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Did you break it by trying to remove it?
My spartan glass has a very slight halo on the edges.
I do concur that the wet install has mis-cut edges.

Add me to the list of people that received a cracked glass screen protector. Their packaging is crap. I've ordered glass screen protectors from eBay and not one was cracked. Those came in decent packaging.
And they only gave me 1 out of 3 dry protectors.

I got the Xtremeguard tempered glass for the Note 4 but the edges do not stick down and it raises slightly. You'll see it. I can't imagine this thing a week later with all the dust and stuff built up from going in and out of pockets. RIP

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LUVVITT Tempered Glass Screen Protector

So after reading a bit on lots of different threads here and many other boards, I decided to pick up a couple of the LUVVITT Tempered Glass screen protectors.
I ordered from Amazon and got them for $10 each and free shipping (Prime)
I gotta say, it was the easiest install I have ever done. I started off with the hinge method but I used painters tape and it fell off and I just lined everything up and pushed down in the middle and watched the self adhesive. It went on VERY easy. I did this in a kitchen, (not in the bathroom with hot shower on for the steam) and I didn't get a single piece of lint on either of the installs.
Mine were cut essentially perfect. Cut outs were right on and everything went together pretty much perfectly. As a note, there were a few tiny bubbles in certain areas. I thought at first it was dust but pushed lightly down and it would disappear. Over the next 24 hours they vanished and the protector is now smooth as glass.
I do notice that it does seem to get smudges and some fingerprints, but with a quick swipe of a microfiber cloth (included) or an Oakley glass bag (which I always have on me) they disappear.
This really is a great buy over the glass that costs 2-3 times a much. I recommend this product if you are looking for a screen protector and want more but don't want to pay $30 for it. This is pretty dang good, as good as the ZAGG that is on my buddies phone. We compared them and you cant tell the difference at all.
Bought them here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IKRHCCY/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
mortymouse said:
So after reading a bit on lots of different threads here and many other boards, I decided to pick up a couple of the LUVVITT Tempered Glass screen protectors.
I ordered from Amazon and got them for $10 each and free shipping (Prime)
I gotta say, it was the easiest install I have ever done. I started off with the hinge method but I used painters tape and it fell off and I just lined everything up and pushed down in the middle and watched the self adhesive. It went on VERY easy. I did this in a kitchen, (not in the bathroom with hot shower on for the steam) and I didn't get a single piece of lint on either of the installs.
Mine were cut essentially perfect. Cut outs were right on and everything went together pretty much perfectly. As a note, there were a few tiny bubbles in certain areas. I thought at first it was dust but pushed lightly down and it would disappear. Over the next 24 hours they vanished and the protector is now smooth as glass.
I do notice that it does seem to get smudges and some fingerprints, but with a quick swipe of a microfiber cloth (included) or an Oakley glass bag (which I always have on me) they disappear.
This really is a great buy over the glass that costs 2-3 times a much. I recommend this product if you are looking for a screen protector and want more but don't want to pay $30 for it. This is pretty dang good, as good as the ZAGG that is on my buddies phone. We compared them and you cant tell the difference at all.
Bought them here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IKRHCCY/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Appreciate the input, I was thinking about picking this up. I know mime ghost are top of the line but also don't want to spend a fortune on a screen protector. Will pick this up
Isn't 9H hardness a little bit too high ? i mean yeah it's gonna be very scratch resistant but it will break very easily too...
How easy/obstructive is the home button cutout? I am curious if you can use the fingerprint sensor without any issue.
mortymouse said:
So after reading a bit on lots of different threads here and many other boards, I decided to pick up a couple of the LUVVITT Tempered Glass screen protectors.
I ordered from Amazon and got them for $10 each and free shipping (Prime)
I gotta say, it was the easiest install I have ever done. I started off with the hinge method but I used painters tape and it fell off and I just lined everything up and pushed down in the middle and watched the self adhesive. It went on VERY easy. I did this in a kitchen, (not in the bathroom with hot shower on for the steam) and I didn't get a single piece of lint on either of the installs.
Mine were cut essentially perfect. Cut outs were right on and everything went together pretty much perfectly. As a note, there were a few tiny bubbles in certain areas. I thought at first it was dust but pushed lightly down and it would disappear. Over the next 24 hours they vanished and the protector is now smooth as glass.
I do notice that it does seem to get smudges and some fingerprints, but with a quick swipe of a microfiber cloth (included) or an Oakley glass bag (which I always have on me) they disappear.
This really is a great buy over the glass that costs 2-3 times a much. I recommend this product if you are looking for a screen protector and want more but don't want to pay $30 for it. This is pretty dang good, as good as the ZAGG that is on my buddies phone. We compared them and you cant tell the difference at all.
Bought them here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IKRHCCY/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Thanks for your input. I just ordered mine, and it should be here within the next couple hours. I will be installing and I will do give my opinion on it also. I recently had the ZAGG glass on my HTC ONE M8, and it was absolute amazing. Only gripe with the ZAGG was the cost....which was around 43$, but luckily I was able to get my money back.
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Isn't 9H hardness a little bit too high ? i mean yeah it's gonna be very scratch resistant but it will break very easily too...
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Not sure why you would want it to be less hard? Understand, the glass is so thin, it almost looks like plastic.
njan_ivide said:
How easy/obstructive is the home button cutout? I am curious if you can use the fingerprint sensor without any issue.
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I use my fingerprint scanner everyday, it doesn't interfere at all. The scanner itself isn't the best, but it works the same with our without the protector.
nickhowell25 said:
Thanks for your input. I just ordered mine, and it should be here within the next couple hours. I will be installing and I will do give my opinion on it also. I recently had the ZAGG glass on my HTC ONE M8, and it was absolute amazing. Only gripe with the ZAGG was the cost....which was around 43$, but luckily I was able to get my money back.
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You will like it. Now that I have used it for a a while I forget its even there. Putting a care on it didn't hurt it either, the rounded corners do the trick.
mortymouse said:
Not sure why you would want it to be less hard? Understand, the glass is so thin, it almost looks like plastic.
I use my fingerprint scanner everyday, it doesn't interfere at all. The scanner itself isn't the best, but it works the same with our without the protector.
You will like it. Now that I have used it for a a while I forget its even there. Putting a care on it didn't hurt it either, the rounded corners do the trick.
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Mortymouse,
I love it man! I just installed. I recommend to all. I had the ZAGG, and they are virtually the same except the price. ZAGG 39.99 and LUVVIT 12.99... I will let you all take your pick. Thanks for the recommendation
nickhowell25 said:
Mortymouse,
I love it man! I just installed. I recommend to all. I had the ZAGG, and they are virtually the same except the price. ZAGG 39.99 and LUVVIT 12.99... I will let you all take your pick. Thanks for the recommendation
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You got it!
mortymouse said:
Not sure why you would want it to be less hard? Understand, the glass is so thin, it almost looks like plastic.
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The harder it is the easier it breaks, from tension or from shock.
But, hardness gives resistance to scratches, because any material would need to have the same or a higher hardness to be able to scratch it.
So it depends on what you want, gorilla glass has a hardness of 7, it means that the only the things with a higher number will be able to scratch it.
When you take a look at gorilla glass, it breaks very easily, the perfect hardness for a glass protector should be a little higher than 7.
That way in case of shock the glass protector, having a little higher hardness, will dampen the shock by breaking before the glass.
dw4 said:
The harder it is the easier it breaks, from tension or from shock.
But, hardness gives resistance to scratches, because any material would need to have the same or a higher hardness to be able to scratch it.
So it depends on what you want, gorilla glass has a hardness of 7, it means that the only the things with a higher number will be able to scratch it.
When you take a look at gorilla glass, it breaks very easily, the perfect hardness for a glass protector should be a little higher than 7.
That way in case of shock the glass protector, having a little higher hardness, will dampen the shock by breaking before the glass.
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Interesting, I have not ever thought that much about it. This type of glass bends, its almost scratch proof and its shatter proof. If you drop your phone with it on, it will shatter and leave your digitizer unharmed. The hardness rating has more to do with the scratching, etc. You wont find a glass protector with under 9H and its way better than having a normal screen protector as it prevents your screen from shattering.
mortymouse said:
Interesting, I have not ever thought that much about it. This type of glass bends, its almost scratch proof and its shatter proof. If you drop your phone with it on, it will shatter and leave your digitizer unharmed. The hardness rating has more to do with the scratching, etc. You wont find a glass protector with under 9H and its way better than having a normal screen protector as it prevents your screen from shattering.
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The only glass protecter i ever had was a 5 hardness and it could barely bend, it was just like glass they shiped it in a armored box lol ( just kiddin ) so it wouldn't break during shipping.
Well if we all agreed, then life wouldn't be very interesting.
Thanks for this. I bought an Iloome for 25$ for my S4 and I thought that was a tad high... Especially since I broke it a month in. But it was my fault. 10$ is way more palatable.
AuGmENTor said:
Thanks for this. I bought an Iloome for 25$ for my S4 and I thought that was a tad high... Especially since I broke it a month in. But it was my fault. 10$ is way more palatable.
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Happy to pass good deals on especially whenever the product works!

Note 7 edge to edge full adhesive screen protector

I have skimmed through the pages in the other tempered glass screen protector threads. I have yet to find a manufacturer who makes an edge to edge protector that adheres to the entire screen rather than just the top and bottom.
My issue is that with a water proof device, anytime it is exposed to water (every day for me as I place it on the shelf in the shower to listen to music), water becomes trapped underneath the tempered glass.
Anyone picked up a model that would remedy this?
no one currently makes one
Why did you feel the need to open a whole new thread for something that has been discussed at length in many other threads? no, there is no solution yet.
Doesn't the official Samsung one do this ?
The official Samsung one is plastic, not glass.
The official Samsung one is not tempered glass.
I strongly advice against getting curved tempered glass. Or any screen protector with curve protection.
I got my replacement Note 7 and I decided to just use a flat film protector and leave the sides exposed. So much easier to use this way.
which flat one did you get!
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BozQ said:
The official Samsung one is not tempered glass.
I strongly advice against getting curved tempered glass. Or any screen protector with curve protection.
I got my replacement Note 7 and I decided to just use a flat film protector and leave the sides exposed. So much easier to use this way.
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I went nude screen on the explosive n7 because i knew i was going to exchange it and i only managed to get one scratch and it was on the edge. I think i know how it happened.
Be careful
BozQ said:
The official Samsung one is not tempered glass.
I strongly advice against getting curved tempered glass. Or any screen protector with curve protection.
I got my replacement Note 7 and I decided to just use a flat film protector and leave the sides exposed. So much easier to use this way.
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It feels like **** though. I had an IQ Liquid Shield on my old Note 7, and it felt nice in the hand. Barely a bump in feeling, some around the edges but not really noticeable. This current new Note 7 has factory screen protectors, both front and back. But they feel sharp and edgy, they don't cover the curves. I have actual sleeping nightmares about applying a brand new IQ Liquid Shield protector I already have, and it peeling horribly at corners. fEa.r me..?
Yeah. So I got my replacement n7 today. Picked up a Qmadix "first defense" screen protector. Guess what? It's edge to edge and the adhesive goes all the way around the screen. Just got out of the shower (phone got soaked), no water under the glass.
There is no reason to be rude.. Obviously, the other threads "discussed at length" on the subject failed to stumble upon this gem.
Thanks everyone. I'm only 5 hours in but I have no complaints. No halo, sits flush. Thicker than the Verizon branded one I had previously. Has kind of a unique cut out for the Samsung logo. I also purchased a camera, hearbeat sensor, and home button glass.. I'm set lol.
Edit: forgot to mention the Qmadix also comes in all three colors. I purchased black respectively.
filthimoney said:
Yeah. So I got my replacement n7 today. Picked up a Qmadix "first defense" screen protector. Guess what? It's edge to edge and the adhesive goes all the way around the screen. Just got out of the shower (phone got soaked), no water under the glass.
There is no reason to be rude.. Obviously, the other threads "discussed at length" on the subject failed to stumble upon this gem.
Thanks everyone. I'm only 5 hours in but I have no complaints. No halo, sits flush. Thicker than the Verizon branded one I had previously. Has kind of a unique cut out for the Samsung logo. I also purchased a camera, hearbeat sensor, and home button glass.. I'm set lol.
Edit: forgot to mention the Qmadix also comes in all three colors. I purchased black respectively.
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Other threads didn't find this so called gem of yours, then mention it there, that's the whole point of the original tempered glass thread. To discuss solutions. Not make a new thread for the EXACT same thing. It's just annoying to have multiple threads for literally the exact same topic. Surely you get that.
Anyway. Do u have any photos or share so we can see how it looks?
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Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, I don't know if it is full adhesive or not...... http://zerolemon.com/product/case-f...-for-samsung-galaxy-note-7-lifetime-warranty/
probably not full adhered.
Snowleopard1900 said:
Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, I don't know if it is full adhesive or not...... http://zerolemon.com/product/case-f...-for-samsung-galaxy-note-7-lifetime-warranty/
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i tried dozens of them looks just like that, most of them only have adhesive on the sides or the top+bottom. all returned.
i suspect this one will be the same, but its not available to purchase on Amazon yet. Guest i will try this too.
i will report see how it goes. but i have no hope at all.
case friendly and curved too on the design like that..?? dont know thats legit or not.
This will work 100%, even my case won't peel the screen cover.
http://imgur.com/a/sq0n5
https://amzn.com/B01HN2T6YI
you must get this specific version for the full cover. there's a lot of different variations. also let the film completely dry before you even attempt to wrap down the sides. you can use your palms, squeegee, and blow dryer. Remember the water spray is only for help with placement. When this film dries, its very stick and adhesive.
i just hate TPU material, its spongy, soft, leaves imprints and a weird texture. but it does full cover. tempered glass and PET film will never do that.
chillsen said:
This will work 100%, even my case won't peel the screen cover.
http://imgur.com/a/sq0n5
https://amzn.com/B01HN2T6YI
you must get this specific version for the full cover. there's a lot of different variations. also let the film completely dry before you even attempt to wrap down the sides. you can use your palms, squeegee, and blow dryer. Remember the water spray is only for help with placement. When this film dries, its very stick and adhesive.
i just hate TPU material, its spongy, soft, leaves imprints and a weird texture. but it does full cover. tempered glass and PET film will never do that.
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Your case doesn't even go around all the edges.
borijess said:
Your case doesn't even go around all the edges.
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the sides of the case overlap the screen protector with zero lifting. it would obviously work the same way for any case, even those that cover the top and bottom
chillsen said:
the sides of the case overlap the screen protector with zero lifting. it would obviously work the same way for any case, even those that cover the top and bottom
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I have the same protector updated version on my note 7. Did the shrink wrap trick too when i applied it. Came out nice after 12hrs. Once I put my UAG case it started to lift edges. I had to use a credit card to slide case phone in without lifting edges. So I thought I was all good right. Nope a day later it started to lift on the top side and bottom side. I have to smooth it back to down continuously. So either you got lucky or you case does not life the edges.
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I have the same protector updated version on my note 7. Did the shrink wrap trick too when i applied it. Came out nice too. Once I put my UAG case it started to lift edges. I had to use a credit card to slide case phone in without lifting edges. So I thought I was all good right. Nope a day later it started to lift on the top side and bottom side. I have to smooth it back to down continuously. So either you got lucky or you case does not life the edges.
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maybe it was the way you put it on? as in one side you will comfortable be able to tuck it under but the other side kinda snapped on and slid/lifted the cover in order for the case to snap on?
mahdibassam said:
Other threads didn't find this so called gem of yours, then mention it there, that's the whole point of the original tempered glass thread. To discuss solutions. Not make a new thread for the EXACT same thing. It's just annoying to have multiple threads for literally the exact same topic. Surely you get that.
Anyway. Do u have any photos or share so we can see how it looks?
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Not sure if you found it yet, but here is the screen protector he was mentioning. Got good reviews (from a handful of people so far) but is pretty pricey at $35 U.S.
ohblindone said:
Not sure if you found it yet, but here is the screen protector he was mentioning. Got good reviews (from a handful of people so far) but is pretty pricey at $35 U.S.
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Just installed this. I think i know why most companies only use glue on the top or bottom. The quality of the product is good. The packaging is great but i would rather get something a little more simple and maybe save on the cost.
I have yet to turn on my replacement N7 so i cant speak on clarity but the fit is decent. It even works with my Seidio Dilex case on even though its "full screen"
Here is my one problem so far (its only been an hour since install) there is a slight clicking sound when you press on some areas. The edges etc. This is the reason why i think most companies dont use glue on the sides. I think this is where the clicking sound is coming from. I think i installed it as best as i could but who knows. Maybe its my fault.
Im going to try to use it for a while to see how well it works and if i can stand the clicking sound. This is my 1st glass screen protector for the N7 and i dont think ill try more in the future. I just wanted to try one out.

Official OnePlus 6 Tempered Glass Protector. How does it Fare?

Now that people are starting to receive their phones and accessories from OnePlus, I am very curious to hear people's thoughts on the official tempered glass protector offered from OnePlus.
Specifically, how does it fit with the OEM cases OnePlus offers. Most importantly, does it fit with the thicker OnePlus Bumper cases?
The good news, according to OnePlus's official install video posted on their website, it does look like it fully adheres to the screen.
https://www.oneplus.com/oneplus-6-3d-tempered-glass-screen-protector
Looking forward to feedback before I place an order for one to potentially replace the pre-applied plastic screen protector.
sn0warmy said:
Now that people are starting to receive their phones and accessories from OnePlus, I am very curious to hear people's thoughts on the official tempered glass protector offered from OnePlus.
Specifically, how does it fit with the OEM cases OnePlus offers. Most importantly, does it fit with the thicker OnePlus Bumper cases?
The good news, according to OnePlus's official install video posted on their website, it does look like it fully adheres to the screen.
https://www.oneplus.com/oneplus-6-3d-tempered-glass-screen-protector
Looking forward to feedback before I place an order for one to potentially replace the pre-applied plastic screen protector.
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I don't get my phone until later today, so I can not confirm until then. But the two different customer service reps I talked to guaranteed the TGP works with the OEM bumper cases. They said the only case it isn't compatible with is the outterbox case.
suprstar29 said:
I don't get my phone until later today, so I can not confirm until then. But the two different customer service reps I talked to guaranteed the TGP works with the OEM bumper cases. They said the only case it isn't compatible with is the outterbox case.
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Looking forward to your results! If it does fit with the OEM bumper case (specifically the Nylon bumper case for me) I'll use my $20 promo voucher to order the glass protector as well.
I will say the preapplied plasic protector surprised me.wkth how good it feels. I usually do a glass protector but once I get my I will probably leave the plasitc on to see how it wears. Be good for the long term review since most on even know it's there at first
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Here take a look at this. I''ve just posted it to the official forums to I'll C+P here;
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Hi all,
Hope you've not forgotten me! I'm back. I went down to the London launch as I was super excited to see the OnePlus 6 in person and I've now got my hands on the phone and the official tempered glass. So as I have done every year, I'm going to be testing out as many accessories that I can get my hands on, starting with the Official Tempered Glass Screen Protector!
Feel free to watch the video to get all this information, or just scroll down and read it if you prefer!
Some of you wonder why take of the pre-applied factory screen? Well for me, it's all about finding the best protection for your device and from experience the pre-applied screen is not that. It's a nice bonus, as if you're not buying the official you'll have to wait around a week or so before third party manufacturers get screens ready for sale. Mine was also riding slightly high on the screen, which meant using it whilst having gestures turned on was a bit of a nightmare.
As usual the screen protector, comes well packaged, with some excellent tools- most of which you won't need if you're taking the pre-applied screen off and then putting this one on straight away.
The screen protector as with the last few years comes on a single slab of plastic/glass, which you will need to be careful off when you're removing the screen protector from it. I've seen many people CRACK their screen protector at this point. Don't be that person! Go slow, but surely. And for goodness sake once you've peeled it off, don't turn it around and let all the dust particles in your house get on it!
The screen protector fits nicely on the phone and feels pretty decent. High quality!
Postives -
- Feels good
- Looks good
- Fits with the free case
Negatives -
- Finger print magnet - seriously, had it on for a few minutes and it was covered.
- Still has the black border, so you DO still get a 3D effect where you're missing an (admittedly small) portion of your screen
- Hardest OP screen protector I've ever put on.
Let me know if you have any questions on it, and I'll endeavor to keep you all updated on how it functions!
Thanks!
^ Dang! I can't believe how difficult it was for him to remove the bubbles with that protector. And in the end it still had a bubble that kept returning. This sure did make me glad I opted not to pay extra for that tempered glass protector. It's almost as if it doesn't have strong enough adhesive.
Regardless, I plan on sticking with the pre-applied screen protector for a bit before making a decision on a glass protector. In fact, if the pre-applied protector holds up well, I may not ever bother taking it off. I must say that it would be really nice to finally get a phone and never even worry about spending money on a screen protector, or trying to perfectly apply one, for that matter.
I just hope my pre-applied protector isn't positioned too high, as the above video reviewer mentioned his was.
unfortunately my preapplied screen protector is a tiny bit too high for my taste too, so when swiping up with gestures enabled you can feel the slight edge :/
I really hope whitedome is going to bring a TGSP for the OP6 on the market
niijonodhg said:
Here take a look at this. I''ve just posted it to the official forums to I'll C+P here;
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Hi all,
Hope you've not forgotten me! I'm back. I went down to the London launch as I was super excited to see the OnePlus 6 in person and I've now got my hands on the phone and the official tempered glass. So as I have done every year, I'm going to be testing out as many accessories that I can get my hands on, starting with the Official Tempered Glass Screen Protector!
Feel free to watch the video to get all this information, or just scroll down and read it if you prefer!
Some of you wonder why take of the pre-applied factory screen? Well for me, it's all about finding the best protection for your device and from experience the pre-applied screen is not that. It's a nice bonus, as if you're not buying the official you'll have to wait around a week or so before third party manufacturers get screens ready for sale. Mine was also riding slightly high on the screen, which meant using it whilst having gestures turned on was a bit of a nightmare.
As usual the screen protector, comes well packaged, with some excellent tools- most of which you won't need if you're taking the pre-applied screen off and then putting this one on straight away.
The screen protector as with the last few years comes on a single slab of plastic/glass, which you will need to be careful off when you're removing the screen protector from it. I've seen many people CRACK their screen protector at this point. Don't be that person! Go slow, but surely. And for goodness sake once you've peeled it off, don't turn it around and let all the dust particles in your house get on it!
The screen protector fits nicely on the phone and feels pretty decent. High quality!
Postives -
- Feels good
- Looks good
- Fits with the free case
Negatives -
- Finger print magnet - seriously, had it on for a few minutes and it was covered.
- Still has the black border, so you DO still get a 3D effect where you're missing an (admittedly small) portion of your screen
- Hardest OP screen protector I've ever put on.
Let me know if you have any questions on it, and I'll endeavor to keep you all updated on how it functions!
Thanks!
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Thanks for this! Your videos are always great when it comes to these things. Keep up the great work!
Do you think the bit the pops up might simply be just because of the curvature of the screen towards the corner?
(curved screened phones are always a nightmare when it comes to putting screen protectors on). If the underside of the screen protector is curved aswell in order to fit the curved screen of the device, even a fraction of difference can cause these kinds of problems, whereas flat ones you can even get away with them positioned slightly off, and they will always sit down perfectly flat.
Can you confirm whether the curvature of the OnePlus 6's screen is just around the edges, or is it the whole of the front that is actually curved?
(If you see what I mean).
I could be wrong, but from what I can see on the video, it does almost look like it's the whole screen that is rounded and not just the edges (but it's hard to tell from a video, so can't know for sure)
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^ Dang! I can't believe how difficult it was for him to remove the bubbles with that protector. And in the end it still had a bubble that kept returning. This sure did make me glad I opted not to pay extra for that tempered glass protector. It's almost as if it doesn't have strong enough adhesive.
Regardless, I plan on sticking with the pre-applied screen protector for a bit before making a decision on a glass protector. In fact, if the pre-applied protector holds up well, I may not ever bother taking it off. I must say that it would be really nice to finally get a phone and never even worry about spending money on a screen protector, or trying to perfectly apply one, for that matter.
I just hope my pre-applied protector isn't positioned too high, as the above video reviewer mentioned his was.
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My pre-applied protector only lasted an hour on mine. The edges don't stick enough to avoid random lint and dust from sliding just a bit underneath it. Also the swipe up gestures from the bottom of the phone feel weird as you bump the protector. I'm not sure but I think it's because the protector is a bit thick.
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My pre-applied protector only lasted an hour on mine. The edges don't stick enough to avoid random lint and dust from sliding just a bit underneath it. Also the swipe up gestures from the bottom of the phone feel weird as you bump the protector. I'm not sure but I think it's because the protector is a bit thick.
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That’s a shame. My phone arrives today and we leave for Mexico tomorrow for a week. I was hoping the pre-applied protector would be perfect. The edges of it are probably going to look like garbage by the time we get back.
the protective film, can not attach clean and then Euro 22, so I can not recommend. Shade for the money
unix2208 said:
the protective film, can not attach clean and then Euro 22, so I can not recommend. Shade for the money
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What?
I really like the TGP. It fits seamlessly with the nylon case where the edges go all the way to the case and it feels completely natural. I thought the black outlining would bother me, but it works really well with the phone. I highly recommend the OEM TGP. No issues with it being compatible with the bumper case.
I have read on a Dutch forum that there is only glue on the edges of the screen protector. The middle is coated with some sort of oil so you won't see any bubbles.
This would explain the YouTube video with the corner not sticking. Could somebody confirm this?
This is a problem with all "curved edge" phones. Really makes me wish Samsung did not have as much sway in the market as they do. We would still have flat screens!
JCreations said:
I have read on a Dutch forum that there is only glue on the edges of the screen protector. The middle is coated with some sort of oil so you won't see any bubbles.
This would explain the YouTube video with the corner not sticking. Could somebody confirm this?
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suprstar29 said:
I really like the TGP. It fits seamlessly with the nylon case where the edges go all the way to the case and it feels completely natural. I thought the black outlining would bother me, but it works really well with the phone. I highly recommend the OEM TGP. No issues with it being compatible with the bumper case.
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More importantly, how difficult was it to get a bubble free install?
JCreations said:
I have read on a Dutch forum that there is only glue on the edges of the screen protector. The middle is coated with some sort of oil so you won't see any bubbles.
This would explain the YouTube video with the corner not sticking. Could somebody confirm this?
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The tempered glass screen protector from OnePlus has adhesive throughout the entire protector, not just around the sides. Watch an install video and you'll see.
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More importantly, how difficult was it to get a bubble free install?
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It wasn't to bad. There were a couple of stubborn small bubbles, but it you press and hold on them for a second or two with the included tool they go right away. I have a completely bubble free TGP that took maybe 2 minutes to put on
suprstar29 said:
It wasn't to bad. There were a couple of stubborn small bubbles, but it you press and hold on them for a second or two with the included tool they go right away. I have a completely bubble free TGP that took maybe 2 minutes to put on
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Well crap. Now I wish I went ahead and ordered the protector with the phone. Now I've got to get through a week in Mexico with the pre-applied protector and hope it doesn't peel up until I get back.
Ordering the TGSP from OnePlus right now. Thanks for your input.
Just installed it and it looks great in my opinion! Wasn't that hard. If you apply it with the included case on, it helps a ton with lining it up; you literally just need to drop it into place.
I did get a couple pieces of dust underneath but they are super small and hardly noticeable, so I don't want to risk lifting the protector to remove it (risking more dust to get under) (or risking losing adhesion).
It does have a bit of that "3D look" but I got used to it very quick and now I don't notice it.
If there is text way at the edge of the screen, it does slightly get cut off but luckily most apps/websites don't have text that close to the edge.
Overall it's a solid protector and I'm probably going to stick with it until the end of its life (unless it cracks or something of course lol).

Screen protector - NOT tempered glass but "old school" film

Hello all, I have tried a couple of tempered glass screen protectors; I have also read many many reviews.
It seems that there is no tempered glass protector that would be full screen; fit (most) cases and does not release on the edges for all.
I actually did not mind the screen protector which was installed by 1+ when I got the phone (and I did not like the tempered glass ones I tried).
So I contacted them today asking if I could buy a couple of those. To my biggest disappointment I was advised that although I am not the first one to ask, they do not consider the included screen protector to be a "product" and so they do not sell it even if I wanted a large quantity.
I spent some time researching ebay - but most (nearly all) sellers sell only tempered glass (which I don't want). The few seller that sell films are very expensive ($10+ vs. $1 for the tempered glass). That is also surprising as the cost of the film is much less...
So, my question to you all: who has tried film screen protectors? Where did you get it from and what experience did you have?
Thank you for sharing
I personally use 3MK Flexible glass - its hibrid glass. I use it from years, now on OP6. I think its the best option for any phone
https://folie-ochronne.3mk.pl/pl/p/OnePlus-6-Nietlukace-szklo-hybrydowe-3mk-FlexibleGlass/39482
I find this to be the pretty close and its an 8 pack.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D1HNQSK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I find this to be the pretty close and its an 8 pack.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D1HNQSK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Just ordered me a set.
Im waiting for my iqshield to be delivered next week. Got some high hopes. Gave up on tgsps as there is none currently i would be happy about. Not even the original one.
I'm thinking of getting those from gadgetshieldz. do they ship door to door? or pass it into your local post office?
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I'm thinking of getting those from gadgetshieldz. do they ship door to door? or pass it into your local post office?
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Its Door to Door only. For me, they shipped within 2 days.
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I find this to be the pretty close and its an 8 pack.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D1HNQSK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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How is the fit on those? Can you possibly snap a pic of it on your phone with a case on as well?
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How is the fit on those? Can you possibly snap a pic of it on your phone with a case on as well?
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I don't have one installed at the moment, testing a G-Most TPG. But the fit is pretty precise, need patience to get it even on both sides. It's case friendly.
Z51 said:
Just ordered me a set.
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Can you please do a quick review when you got it? Right now there is one positive and one negative review on Amazon - so sharing your experience would be very valuable! Thank you
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Can you please do a quick review when you got it? Right now there is one positive and one negative review on Amazon - so sharing your experience would be very valuable! Thank you
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will do
Might grab some of these and see what they are like https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-X-For-....TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xoneplus+6+full+coverage.TRS0
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Can you please do a quick review when you got it? Right now there is one positive and one negative review on Amazon - so sharing your experience would be very valuable! Thank you
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I installed it. its a little bigger than I'd like. if it were maybe 1 cm smaller all around it would be perfect fit. im sure you can align this to fit correctly, but it leaves no room for error. ill try and get a pic.
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I installed it. its a little bigger than I'd like. if it were maybe 1 cm smaller all around it would be perfect fit. im sure you can align this to fit correctly, but it leaves no room for error. ill try and get a pic.
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Hmm, thats not good. Is it equally too big each way or is it just difficult to install totally centered, so its big on one side only?
A pic would help for sure.
I finally found regular PET protectors similar to the OEM ones that fit the phone well and are of good quality. I got them from here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/5X-Ultra-Thin-Tempered-Glass-PET-Soft-HD-Screen-Protector-Film-For-OnePlus-6/163161457336?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=462326426650&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
The adhesive is pretty sticky on them so they don't lift off but it's hard to get them perfectly bubble free. The way I get these on perfect every time is put rubbing alcohol all over the screen then apply the protector and set it in place exactly centered (it's easy to move because of the alcohol) Then lightly push down on it and very lightly push out some of the alcohol so you don't see any bubbles. Then wait five minutes and peel off the front layer then lightly with a small cloth push out the rest of the bubbles. When the alcohol dries (takes about 10-15 mins) it will adhere perfectly and there will be no residue, bubbles or dust under the protector.
I've got an IQshield on my OP6 http://www.iqshield.com/iq32368-oneplus-6-phone-screen-protector.html
I tried a few TG ones and wasn't happy with any. They either didn't stick properly or had the annoying black border. The IQshield is the best protector I've tried.
The best screen protector is the soft nano TPU protectors they sell at ebay or aliexpress for a buck a piece and these cover the whole screen and can be applied wet with some soap and water.
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Does it cover the entire screen or leaves a gap at the edges?
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I know why you are asking ...Most protectors don't cover the edges well. But this does .
I got this one:
OnePlus 6 Screen Protector, IQ Shield LiQuidSkin Full Coverage Screen Protector for OnePlus 6 HD Clear Anti-Bubble Film
From Amazon.
Accidentally dropped it on a concrete slab that had small gravel and dirt all over it about a week ago. Right out of my pocket. I do have one of those Tudia cases on it with a lip, HOWEVER some of that gravel did hit the glass. Tore up the screen protector in a couple spots. They kind of look like pin pricks but no discernible cracks or knicks in the glass what so ever, and the other scratches to the screen protector went away after rubbing with my fingers.
Talk about a freak out moment.
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I got this one:
OnePlus 6 Screen Protector, IQ Shield LiQuidSkin Full Coverage Screen Protector for OnePlus 6 HD Clear Anti-Bubble Film
From Amazon.
Accidentally dropped it on a concrete slab that had small gravel and dirt all over it about a week ago. Right out of my pocket. I do have one of those Tudia cases on it with a lip, HOWEVER some of that gravel did hit the glass. Tore up the screen protector in a couple spots. They kind of look like pin pricks but no discernible cracks or knicks in the glass what so ever, and the other scratches to the screen protector went away after rubbing with my fingers.
Talk about a freak out moment.
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How is the texture and clarity of the IQ? I got a Skinomi (with has a similar product description) and personally I was not happy with the stretchy texture and less-then-smooth feel when swiping. Also, it seemed to like clarity and almost had small "webs" when looking at it at certain angles. (not bubbles)
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crberus81 said:
I got this one:
OnePlus 6 Screen Protector, IQ Shield LiQuidSkin Full Coverage Screen Protector for OnePlus 6 HD Clear Anti-Bubble Film
From Amazon.
Accidentally dropped it on a concrete slab that had small gravel and dirt all over it about a week ago. Right out of my pocket. I do have one of those Tudia cases on it with a lip, HOWEVER some of that gravel did hit the glass. Tore up the screen protector in a couple spots. They kind of look like pin pricks but no discernible cracks or knicks in the glass what so ever, and the other scratches to the screen protector went away after rubbing with my fingers.
Talk about a freak out moment.
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How is the texture and clarity of the IQ? I got a Skinomi (with has a similar product description) and personally I was not happy with the stretchy texture and less-then-smooth feel when swiping. Also, it seemed to like clarity and almost had small "webs" when looking at it at certain angles. (not bubbles)

Accessories The best screen protector secured at last!

After many months of scouring the internet and more money spent than I'd like to admit, I have finally found what I would consider a better screen protector than even the OEM installed one from Samsung. I have tried close to 10 different protectors for my Z-Flip 3 and they all were relatively disappointing when comparing to Samsung's OEM film. They ranged from horrible to acceptable but still not ideal. Most Amazon sellers (even the top rated films) fail where you'd expect it to fail, the hinge, and it seemed all but impossible to achieve the results the phone comes with new. That is, until I got my hands on whitestone's new premium DOME SILK(UTG) film. This guy is actually superior to the OEM film and outclasses it in every way. The feel is fantastic, the clarity is perfect and the most important part is the hinge adhesion, which is every part as good as the OEM one. With the installation jig that is included with the dome film, I got a perfect install on my first try without a single bubble or blemish even across the hinge. So long as you watched the install video which you have to scan a QR code on the box to access, the install is extremely smooth. It's nerve-racking at first but extremely doable. When adhering the hinge area, I highly recommend you go as slow as possible with the squeegee to ensure no bubbles in the area that dips. Anyway I won't make this any longer, I just wanted to let everyone else know that if you want and OEM+ screen protector for your z flip 3 you should absolutely buy the Whitestone dome silk film the first time instead of wasting money on films that bubble up after one or two folds or that feel like hot garbage.
I'll second these products. Recently purchased as the OEM screen protector started to develop cracks at the hinge (lemme tell you how freaked out I was until I realized it was the protector and not the actual screen). Install was easy and the jig is clever and effective, just MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE INSTALLATION DIRECTIONS.
No issues with the product so far and perfect adhesion.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09LV43G8M
Fivecent said:
I'll second these products. Recently purchased as the OEM screen protector started to develop cracks at the hinge (lemme tell you how freaked out I was until I realized it was the protector and not the actual screen). Install was easy and the jig is clever and effective, just MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE INSTALLATION DIRECTIONS.
No issues with the product so far and perfect adhesion.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09LV43G8M
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Mind if I ask how long you've had yours installed for?
Mind I ask how long have you both had it installed?
Also had the phone in cold weather?
Any chance of photos of the phone with film installed?
Thanks!
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Mind I ask how long have you both had it installed?
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I've had mine installed for almost two weeks now. I feel like if it hasn't started lifting yet, chances are that it won't.
BWA80 said:
Also had the phone in cold weather?
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I live in the northeast, 2 hours from Canada so yes, it's been between 5°- 25° consistently. I will say that I am conscious about the cold and generally try not to flip the phone open if I've been outside for a while because of the horror stories I've heard about displays cracking when opening in extreme cold.
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Any chance of photos of the phone with film installed?
Thanks!
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Unfortunately, I probably won't be able to get a picture of it installed because my only other phone is a galaxy S9+ with a cracked camera lens. I tried taking a pic with my surface pro 4 but it's so grainy it's impossible to make out. I can tell you that visually, it's identical to the oem. Size and finish are the same, it's when you touch it that you realize how much better it is than the oem. Just picture the stock screen protector but slightly slightly shinier.
So here's an update, yesterday I got a new case, one of the full protection cases that have a hinge shield built in and after using the case yesterday and waking up this morning, I found that the entire portion of the screen protector that conforms to the hinge lifted from the screen. Now, I'm not sure what the culprit was, comma if it was somehow the new case that caused this or if it was just a screen protector itself But I have another backup backup screen protector that I am going to put on after work today work today and use it with my old case to verify if the case caused this problem or not. I personally don't see how it's possible that the case caused it to lift but I can't deny The significance of it lifting within 24 hours of putting a new case on. To me, it looks like the protector almost shrank a little and contracted which caused it to lift in the area with the most pressure which would be the hinge because of the curves but I will verify this and I will update this post with the results.
It's been 4 days since installing the replacement film I had and it's already holding up much better than the first. The first lasted only 48hrs before the whole hinge lifted up. I installed this one a little different. First, when using the squeegee to adhere the film, I used much more pressure and slid it much slower (especially around the hinge area). Next, when it was finished being installed, I opted to not close the display for a full 24hrs to allow the adhesive to set and the film to "lock" to the shape of the display. Call it a curing time if you will. I also used my variable temperature heat gun set to its lowest temperature (350°f) and warmed the film mostly around the hinge while using my thumb to apply pressure back and forth. The purpose of the heat was to mock heat cycling the film and further set it to the display. All of these steps combined resulted in a perfect application again but now 4 days later in the same 15-30°f ambient temp I have no lifting at all and no signs of any adhesion issues. This will be my last post on this topic unless it fails in an unreasonable amount of time as there's nothing else I can do to install it and better and at that point I would deem it a bad product. For now I stand by it being the best aftermarket film for this phone.
I've just bought it and it should arrive on 3rd of march. I was wondering if it comes with a glass already installed and, since I am in love with Tough Armour cover of Spigen, glass screen protectors ( even of the little screen ) would be compatible with spigens cover.
MySelf_v1 said:
I've just bought it and it should arrive on 3rd of march. I was wondering if it comes with a glass already installed and, since I am in love with Tough Armour cover of Spigen, glass screen protectors ( even of the little screen ) would be compatible with spigens cover.
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No glass interior, but Spigen sells an outer protector perfectly fit to their cases. It's held up pretty well and covers the camera lenses without ruining the pictures.
Galaxy Z Flip 3 Optik Lens Protector + Hinge Film
Browse our Galaxy Z Flip 3 phone camera Optik Lens Protector. Our protective lens protector lays over the cameras to allow for a clean and flat look to keep your lens dust and scratch free. Shop now.
www.spigen.com
Depending on availability, it is cheaper on Amazon.
twistedumbrella said:
No glass interior, but Spigen sells an outer protector perfectly fit to their cases. It's held up pretty well and covers the camera lenses without ruining the pictures.
Galaxy Z Flip 3 Optik Lens Protector + Hinge Film
Browse our Galaxy Z Flip 3 phone camera Optik Lens Protector. Our protective lens protector lays over the cameras to allow for a clean and flat look to keep your lens dust and scratch free. Shop now.
www.spigen.com
Depending on availability, it is cheaper on Amazon.
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Thank you!!!
Does the case affect the flash? I had some issues with Tough Armour cover on other phones
MySelf_v1 said:
Thank you!!!
Does the case affect the flash? I had some issues with Tough Armour cover on other phones
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Hasn't for me, but I don't use it regularly.
twistedumbrella said:
No glass interior, but Spigen sells an outer protector perfectly fit to their cases. It's held up pretty well and covers the camera lenses without ruining the pictures.
Galaxy Z Flip 3 Optik Lens Protector + Hinge Film
Browse our Galaxy Z Flip 3 phone camera Optik Lens Protector. Our protective lens protector lays over the cameras to allow for a clean and flat look to keep your lens dust and scratch free. Shop now.
www.spigen.com
Depending on availability, it is cheaper on Amazon.
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Tough Armour arrived, Optik Lens Protector arrived, tomorrow hopefully the phone will arrive too
Arrived. Everything is ok but the film on the screen. The feeling is tremendous yet they tell you not to remove it. Wtf?
Is fitting a glass over it a possible solution?
I just tried the Whitestone Premium,,, what a waste of time. Got it on with no bubbles. Let it sit for 5 minutes just to make sure. Went over it again. Still lifted at the crease as soon as I flipped it closed. Reseated 2 more times, immediately lifts as soon as I close it. Anybody got any other protectors that will actually stay on the crease???
Retiredbc473 said:
I just tried the Whitestone Premium,,, what a waste of time. Got it on with no bubbles. Let it sit for 5 minutes just to make sure. Went over it again. Still lifted at the crease as soon as I flipped it closed. Reseated 2 more times, immediately lifts as soon as I close it. Anybody got any other protectors that will actually stay on the crease???
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Hi,
Did you apply it correctly?
I had the same problem and then i noticed that i accidently applied the screen protectors protector
It is very easy to make that mistake. You have to read the instruction very carefully and really look that you are applying the correct part. I learned it the hard way. Bought a new one and got it applied correctly.
Now, it will not lift off, it's stuck to the screen very firmly for over 4 months now with no problem.
BWA80 said:
Hi,
Did you apply it correctly?
I had the same problem and then i noticed that i accidently applied the screen protectors protector
It is very easy to make that mistake. You have to read the instruction very carefully and really look that you are applying the correct part. I learned it the hard way. Bought a new one and got it applied correctly.
Now, it will not lift off, it's stuck to the screen very firmly for over 4 months now with no problem.
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Yes I applied it correctly with the provided jig you can only apply it one way.
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Yes I applied it correctly with the provided jig you can only apply it one way.
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I applied it with the jig, the right way and still got it wrong...
cuz if you get it right, it should stick and stay with no problems.
On the film there is 3 layers of plastic, two have to be removed. the real protector is like sandwiched in between 2 protective films.
Just a heads up.
BWA80 said:
I applied it with the jig, the right way and still got it wrong...
cuz if you get it right, it should stick and stay with no problems.
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It stayed stuck good everywhere but the Crack when you fold it. Yea it should stick and stay......but it didn't....Moron

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