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Hello,
I have been reading countless stories about CWM, battery charging, and ect. and feel that people are moving forward with the wrong path. I see so many ROMs and whatnot springing up that also have many issues.
Today I found that while the new alpharev version of CWM DOES charge my phone when off, my phone wont reboot without a battery pull. Using ROM manager to update CWM, I find it does charge my battery AND allows me to start up normally. This is great, but for me and anyone else that finds this to be true for their phone.
BUT WHY!? What on earth is wrong? What does CWM do that could cause these "who the hell knows why?" cases?
I also find that when I reboot, setCPU required me to redo the insmod command to work again. That wasnt too bad, just connect via usb and copy and paste via command prompt. That was with the alpharev version of CWM. Now with the newest version, I have to UNINSTALL setCPU, reinstall, then go through the whole process of setting it up! Just cause of a reboot?
I feel that everyone has skipped a step...The basics! We need to figure out what is wrong with the codes.
I dont think its such a great idea to be cooking up ROMs when there are MAJOR issues with the basics...
Anyone agree?
Matt
No. I don't agree at all. Most users are having no SERIOUS issues at all. Most, if not all, of these issues are caused by noobish mistakes, not following directions, not reading up on ALL available info before trying a mod, and basically people just not knowing what the hell they are doing. These mods are not for everyone, yet every idiot with a smart phone thinks they need to do them. The issue with charging has been known since the first recovery was released and they acted fast to address the problem, but people don't read and don't know any better and they flash what they shouldn't. Well, they deserve the bricks they end up with IMO.
Behold_this said:
No. I don't agree at all. Most users are having no SERIOUS issues at all. Most, if not all, of these issues are caused by noobish mistakes, not following directions, not reading up on ALL available info before trying a mod, and basically people just not knowing what the hell they are doing. These mods are not for everyone, yet every idiot with a smart phone thinks they need to do them. The issue with charging has been known since the first recovery was released and they acted fast to address the problem, but people don't read and don't know any better and they flash what they shouldn't. Well, they deserve the bricks they end up with IMO.
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Well said good sir. Well said.
EDIT: And a fellow Las Vegan. Even better.
Seriously? Very arrogant, the both of you! You assumed that most people having theses issues are screwing with things that they dont know? Some are, but not most. Not by any means. The fact that people ARE creating fixes is proof of what I am saying.
I am NOT running anyone's ROM. I am running stock.
It isnt hard, at all, to do what you guys do. The directions spell it out plain and clear, yet issues are springing up. S-OFF was easy, as was installing CWM to gain perm. root.
The issues I described rest on the shoulders of the devs. Stop blaming it on "noobs". They had nothing to do with the battery issue.
Now, people installing ROMs and all that could be blamed on ignorance, but not the basics. FIX THE BASICS before you start insulting noobs please.
Screw it..
EDIT: If it is so obvious that these issues are user related, then please explain how so? How on earth did I F up things and cause my battery to act like a turd? Where along the lines of, " DL, connect via usb and enter key" did I go wrong even though I now have S-OFF?
Where along the lines of DL the CWM file, putting on the SD card, boot into recovery and apply update (done successfully) did I screw up and cause these issues? See what I am saying? I didnt flash any rom, or mess with a radio, or anything of that sort yet am having the same issues as many others. Nor have I done any mods, or adjusted any settings available only to root users. You guys have problems with your basics. You need to recognize this and figure it out. Ever heard of having a strong foundation?
Matt
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The issues I described rest on the shoulders of the devs. Stop blaming it on "noobs". They had nothing to do with the battery issue.
Now, people installing ROMs and all that could be blamed on ignorance, but not the basics.
Matt
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How dare you sir! Do you have any idea how much time and effort goes into making these mods? Which, by the way are currently in DEVELOPER PREVIEW and by definition not for everyone! You have the nerve to demand things and basically call their work ****? You clearly have no clue. Where are your fixes smart guy? What have you done to make this community better? You don't just come in here and blame the devs (that do this work for FREE) for your problems and then think they are going to help you. It doesn't work that way. How about a little appreciation!
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How dare you sir! Do you have any idea how much time and effort goes into making these mods? Which, by the way are currently in DEVELOPER PREVIEW and by definition not for everyone! You have the nerve to demand things and basically call their work ****? You clearly have no clue. Where are your fixes smart guy? What have you done to make this community better? You don't just come in here and blame the devs (that do this work for FREE) for your problems and then think they are going to help you. It doesn't work that way. How about a little appreciation!
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How dare you blame people's issues on their ignorance? Face it bro, these things have some major issues going on, and no one knows why. Instead of ignoring them, and hoping they will get better, MAKE THEM BETTER. I am tired of seeing people shrug off issues as noob mistakes. Some are, such as flashing ROMs not meant for the phone without backing up their current ROM, but doing everything correctly and then having to hijack the battery is seriously different.
You are responsible for what you publish. Free or not! If you understand the problems people are having, and know why, then so say.
I never called anyone's work ****, you did.
Appreciation? How about showing it as well? Youve got countless people testing things for you! Doing what you cannot, by yourself! When people bring a problem to your attention, you tell them they are a noob and then dismiss it! Why? What an asshole thing to do, and a very unprofessional one at that.
I know I am not alone. People need to speak up! These are not JUST noob mistakes, there are some GENUINE MAJOR issues with the groundwork. They need to be addressed. It is insulting to see people follow the directions perfectly, find a major bug, then be told they are a noob while the problem just goes on to others. You guys called these problems "fixed" which they clearly arent. I simply brought it to your attention in a non submissive tone.
Let a MOD close my thread If I am out of line. Come on people, SAY SOMETHING!
Matt
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How dare you blame people's issues on their ignorance? Face it bro, these things have some major issues going on, and no one knows why. Instead of ignoring them, and hoping they will get better, MAKE THEM BETTER. I am tired of seeing people shrug off issues as noob mistakes. Some are, such as flashing ROMs not meant for the phone without backing up their current ROM, but doing everything correctly and then having to hijack the battery is seriously different.
You are responsible for what you publish. Free or not! If you understand the problems people are having, and know why, then so say.
I never called anyone's work ****, you did.
Appreciation? How about showing it as well? Youve got countless people testing things for you! Doing what you cannot, by yourself! When people bring a problem to your attention, you tell them they are a noob and then dismiss it! Why? What an asshole thing to do, and a very unprofessional one at that.
I know I am not alone. People need to speak up! These are not JUST noob mistakes, there are some GENUINE MAJOR issues with the groundwork. They need to be addressed. It is insulting to see people follow the directions perfectly, find a major bug, then be told they are a noob while the problem just goes on to others. You guys called these problems "fixed" which they clearly arent. I simply brought it to your attention in a non submissive tone.
Let a MOD close my thread If I am out of line. Come on people, SAY SOMETHING!
Matt
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You clearly don't get it do you? Everything here is, and has always been, a work in progress. NO ROM is EVER 100% bug proof, not even the stock stuff. So back off and stop demanding that bugs get fixed. Nobody likes to be yelled at for their hard work, especially by someone who obviously has no clue.
EDIT: I agree with you on one thing: This thread should die.
MODS please close.
Insmod is stupid to use on a permroot device. Also, for the person saying it's the noobs fault, most of the time, yes, yes it is, but they were not at fault with CWM. 4.0.1.5 claimed to fix issues, yet it did not. Also, I'm not pinning this on the devs either, nothing is completely bug-free. It's arrogant f*cks like you that is making XDA die a slow, painful death.
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Everything here is, and has always been, a work in progress.
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Exactly why he started this thread. There is an issue or two and there are conflicting reports that it is fixed and the OP would like to get to the bottom of it. Instead, we got some very knee-jerk reactions blaming it on the users or excuses that it is all a work in progress. That's fine, I understand how this could feel like an attack on the developers. But why not try to get to the bottom of it?
It still isn't apparent to me in one of the several threads about the battery issue if this has been solved. Some people on TMO branded phones indicated the latest version of CWM (as of a few days ago) still doesn't allow charging with the phone completely off. I'll be checking my phone shortly and will post some results. Sorry, but I would consider this a major issue. If you let your phone battery die, it can't be restarted without an extra (charged) battery or some rather McGyver-esque operations. Not something that comes up often, but if/when it does you could be SOL when you need your phone.
We have plenty of people here willing to help, but we need a little direction....
His point about "it isn't hard to do what you do" wasn't implying that developing is easy, he was implying that the directions to get S-off and install CWM were easy. Although phrased poorly, blaming it on "noobs" screwing things up is unfounded and ridiculous.
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You clearly don't get it do you? Everything here is, and has always been, a work in progress. NO ROM is EVER 100% bug proof, not even the stock stuff. So back off and stop demanding that bugs get fixed. Nobody likes to be yelled at for their hard work, especially by someone who obviously has no clue.
EDIT: I agree with you on one thing: This thread should die.
MODS please close.
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Before the MODS close this thread I have to agree with the OP. I understand that the DEVS work hard on their ROMs, however, no one likes flashing a bad ROM because they failed to fix the basic problems. It's even worse when a DEV releases a ROM knowing the bugs that hinder basic use, yet don't list them on the ROM description. That, IMHO, is a noob DEV. No ROM is perfect, and you do take a risk whenever you do flash a ROM, but there should never be a need for laziness. If there are many bugs, then the ROM should be released as Beta or even Alpha until the bugs hindering basic functions are worked out.
And before you flame me, I am not a noob. I have supported the rooting of android since I had the G1 running the JF mods and have rooted every one of my devices after, from the MT3G, Moto Cliq, MT4G, G2x, etc. all the way to my current Sensation and my soon to be MT4G Slide. XD
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It's arrogant f*cks like you that is making XDA die a slow, painful death.
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Arrogant huh? Do you even know what that means? Well whatever my phone works great Captain D-bag.
You don't get it either. Nobody has a gun to your head telling you to flash a ROM to your phone, do they? It's your choice, therefore you're ultimately responsible for what goes on your phone. The devs didn't put it there, you did. I understand bugs are annoying, but that's the point of this community. As users of the ROMs we are responsible for reporting bugs and patiently waiting for a fix. The devs certainly don't like reading crap like this thread. You think it motivates them to keep working when there are people whining about stuff instead of offering pleasant, yet constructive criticism and thanks? These devs work on their own time. Nothing says they have to release anything at all to the public, but they do. Again, the mods are always a work in progress. They release things to find out bugs and fix them.
Jesus H. Christ quit your *****ing.
Guess what folks? I see NONE of you read my stickies.
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I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
micahman said:
I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
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If Virtuous is what you like then I'd say yes, go for it and root. The Virtuous ROM might be in beta here in the MT4GS forums but it was smokin' fast and stable enough when I used it. I'm sure an official release is just around the corner anyway. good luck and welcome to the MT4GS family!!
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If Virtuous is what you like then I'd say yes, go for it and root. The Virtuous ROM might be in beta here in the MT4GS forums but it was smokin' fast and stable enough when I used it. I'm sure an official release is just around the corner anyway. good luck and welcome to the MT4GS family!!
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Thanks for the feedback and welcome, good enough reason for me. One thing I do like a lot on stock is the camera app, is that included in the beta or is there a flashable mod?
micahman said:
Thanks for the feedback and welcome, good enough reason for me. One thing I do like a lot on stock is the camera app, is that included in the beta or is there a flashable mod?
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Yes sir, the Doubleshot camera app is included.
micahman said:
I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
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Root it. Then you can:
Enhance your gps ability because of the generic gps file that's coded very poorly (in fact wrongly ... T-Mo doesn't maintain a good SUPL server, and if you're not on the T-Mo network your AGPS isn't working in stock configuration...well, maybe a little, but not anything worth mentioning. )
Flash a better security update to fix the big-brotheresque HTC spy mode (htcloggers.apk). HTC released an update to patch their security hole, but they are still monitoring everything you do with the device. Flash Undeadk9's security patch to just cut them off at the knees instead, or uninstall htcloggers.apk ( and other file I can't remember at the moment )
Change your hardware key files and re-map some buttons to be more useful.
Flash custom ROMs, as you're aware...
Play with the upcoming kernel files from myself and others...( give us time to make it stable )
...and so much more!
Generally do the things with the device that you've paid for that you should be able to do. Why spend all this money on something, and only use like 60% or less of what it can do?
If you're here and posting, then you should probably just go ahead and root it. It won't be long after you've been poking around in here reading through all the things we have been/are doing with the device before you'll go for it.
Check the sticky at the top of the general section to get a good handle on where to go first and what to read through. Take the time to read through the threads ( I know they are long ) - you'll see what all the problems were that people encountered, and how they were solved. Even if you don't run into the problems, at least you'll learn a whole lot and understand your device much, much more intimately.
...and if you get stuck, we're here to help. Many of us have been through this whole process countless times before, and are willing to lend a hand - just don't post random questions in the dev section and everything will be good.
Welcome to our little corner of the XDA universe - you'll love this device!
Blue6IX said:
Root it. Then you can:
Enhance your gps ability because of the generic gps file that's coded very poorly (in fact wrongly ... T-Mo doesn't maintain a good SUPL server, and if you're not on the T-Mo network your AGPS isn't working in stock configuration...well, maybe a little, but not anything worth mentioning. )
Flash a better security update to fix the big-brotheresque HTC spy mode (htcloggers.apk). HTC released an update to patch their security hole, but they are still monitoring everything you do with the device. Flash Undeadk9's security patch to just cut them off at the knees instead, or uninstall htcloggers.apk ( and other file I can't remember at the moment )
Change your hardware key files and re-map some buttons to be more useful.
Flash custom ROMs, as you're aware...
Play with the upcoming kernel files from myself and others...( give us time to make it stable )
...and so much more!
Generally do the things with the device that you've paid for that you should be able to do. Why spend all this money on something, and only use like 60% or less of what it can do?
If you're here and posting, then you should probably just go ahead and root it. It won't be long after you've been poking around in here reading through all the things we have been/are doing with the device before you'll go for it.
Check the sticky at the top of the general section to get a good handle on where to go first and what to read through. Take the time to read through the threads ( I know they are long ) - you'll see what all the problems were that people encountered, and how they were solved. Even if you don't run into the problems, at least you'll learn a whole lot and understand your device much, much more intimately.
...and if you get stuck, we're here to help. Many of us have been through this whole process countless times before, and are willing to lend a hand - just don't post random questions in the dev section and everything will be good.
Welcome to our little corner of the XDA universe - you'll love this device!
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Wow, thank you for all the info, I am very grateful. I've noticed there are a few threads detailing how to root but can you tell me which one would be the best and most reliable? Thanks again for all the info, especially about that HTC spy stuff, I had no idea.
micahman said:
Wow, thank you for all the info, I am very grateful. I've noticed there are a few threads detailing how to root but can you tell me which one would be the best and most reliable? Thanks again for all the info, especially about that HTC spy stuff, I had no idea.
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I used theunlockr.com to root it, worked like a charm and has a video walk throu.. which I'm a big fan of. Easier to follow. but the only difference is to flash modoco cwm not revolutionary.. so you can flash undeadK9's roms.. id suggest senseless.
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shady503403 said:
I used theunlockr.com to root it, worked like a charm and has a video walk throu.. which I'm a big fan of. Easier to follow. but the only difference is to flash modoco cwm not revolutionary.. so you can flash undeadK9's roms.. id suggest senseless.
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Thanks man! Got it rooted and running senseless! So far so good!
Not to contradict Shady's advice, especially since it seems like it worked for you, but i've previously and still do recommend against going to a third party web resource outside of XDA to root the device.
The reason being is that a lot of us did everything from the information available here, and we are familiar with the processes and common problems people run into following the guides posted here in the forums.
If you post questions about problems or an issue you run into, you run the risk of slow or no support because of the unfamiliarity the majority of us here have with outside methods and resources.
I know off the top of my head I could post a helpful response to someone having a problem with a method described here. For an outside resource...i'd probably have to go look it up, maybe download somehing, and probably try the method before being able to help.
Then i'd have to dig into the code of whatever offering was in question, to ensure it wasn't doing anything I didn't want it to do before installing anything.
Ultimately, this is a lot more time and trouble then just digging into my memory or looking up a specific thread to verify something, and also probably provide a link to the specific post that addresses the problem.
I'm hitting overtime consistently on my night job, and still picking up hours at my day job, and honestly would rather commit the level of time necessary to troubleshoot an outside resource on something more personally productive, like digging deeper into kernel source or something.
Just a thought to keep in mind as you (and others in the future) wander around here. I promise that everything you need to root your phone and install custom ROMs and such is right here in the MT4GS forums. (excepting the need to go to the revolutionary resource for S-OFF).
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Cm7 just dropped like a bomb
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With a follow up by Official CWM Recovery. Today was a good day.
Coug76
Blue6IX said:
Not to contradict Shady's advice, especially since it seems like it worked for you, but i've previously and still do recommend against going to a third party web resource outside of XDA to root the device.
The reason being is that a lot of us did everything from the information available here, and we are familiar with the processes and common problems people run into following the guides posted here in the forums.
If you post questions about problems or an issue you run into, you run the risk of slow or no support because of the unfamiliarity the majority of us here have with outside methods and resources.
I know off the top of my head I could post a helpful response to someone having a problem with a method described here. For an outside resource...i'd probably have to go look it up, maybe download somehing, and probably try the method before being able to help.
Then i'd have to dig into the code of whatever offering was in question, to ensure it wasn't doing anything I didn't want it to do before installing anything.
Ultimately, this is a lot more time and trouble then just digging into my memory or looking up a specific thread to verify something, and also probably provide a link to the specific post that addresses the problem.
I'm hitting overtime consistently on my night job, and still picking up hours at my day job, and honestly would rather commit the level of time necessary to troubleshoot an outside resource on something more personally productive, like digging deeper into kernel source or something.
Just a thought to keep in mind as you (and others in the future) wander around here. I promise that everything you need to root your phone and install custom ROMs and such is right here in the MT4GS forums. (excepting the need to go to the revolutionary resource for S-OFF).
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Very true. They use a lot of information found at xda to build their guides off of thou. And a video tutorial is always nice, for me anyways. but yeah.. don't expect support from theunlockr.com.
I always go their, sometimes their outdated or wrong. But still gave me a general idea and I was able to use multiple guides to give me the correct process..
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I'm glad I was able to find this thread, cause I've been wondering whether or not it would actually be worth it to root a MT4GS or not. And ya, I can agree that for the most part, rooting has more benefits than problems. And I always have gotten the same answer when asking that question about other devices, "Just root it; you'd have to be crazy not to; nothing compares to a rooted phone, etc...". So I gave in and rooted my MT3G 1.2 (w/ the headphone jack on top). After a while I noticed some definite problems: a few important features were gone, also it was impossible to update G. Maps (because of being rooted), and finally the worst scenario of all: not being possible to un-root the device. I must have tried 10 times, following the directions to the T and repeatedly getting the same failure error. I was finally able to find someone else with a similar problem who posted their solution. Tried, waited, failed. Fully bricked, I mean not even a flicker or a battery light would come on after that. Fortunately, I was able to lie to customer service and convince them to do a warranty exchange (Aeon-1, T-Mobile-0) so I got a replacement and haven't rooted since.
So I guess my point is, I'm actually scared to root my new MT4GS for the sake of potentially not being able to unroot it if need be. But, so far from what I've read it looks like it is reversable if I ever need to. I was likely considering using theunlockr.com's method due to clearly stated, and easily understood instructions. I wish I could say the same about the posts I've read @ XDA regarding rooting instructions.
-Which rooting methods are guaranteed to be un-rootable? That option is crucial, if I ever need to go back to stock or do a warranty exchange (for all those people who were gonna say "Why the hell would you ever consider unrooting?)
-So some people suggest ClockworkMod Recovery, others don't seem to care. I ask, is there any real difference between the two? And why?
-Also, which are the best/most stable roms you would suggest? Because I've done the trial and error thing before, comparing several different roms, and I never seemed to find anything worthwhile. (Also, I checked CyanogenMod's site and either I'm blind or they don't have a single rom for the MT4GS)
-I think you somewhat answer the question regarding features of the stock camera being available after rooting. But I need to know: After rooting, is the camera going to be the same as the stock one, including ALL available features (SweepShot, ClearShot HDR, Burst Shot, Macro, Night...)? And is that camera program featured within all rooted roms, or does it have to be installed seperately?
-And ditto that question in regards to G-Maps.
-And finally this may seem like a n00b question, but I've still never gotten a clear answer: How/When can a Nandroid Backup be performed? I know that it would be a safety precaution in case I ever f*cked up my device and needed to restore, but I've never been able to find clear, accurate, and relevant instructions on how to nandroid backup or even nandroid restore.
So I apologize for asking so many questions, especially since I imagine they seem redundant and novice. However, I have rooted phones before so I'm not a complete n00b; I'm just trying to be VERY thorough this time around, to avoid any potential for error. Thank you in advance for your time.
-Colton
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I'm glad I was able to find this thread, cause I've been wondering whether or not it would actually be worth it to root a MT4GS or not. And ya, I can agree that for the most part, rooting has more benefits than problems. And I always have gotten the same answer when asking that question about other devices, "Just root it; you'd have to be crazy not to; nothing compares to a rooted phone, etc...". So I gave in and rooted my MT3G 1.2 (w/ the headphone jack on top). After a while I noticed some definite problems: a few important features were gone, also it was impossible to update G. Maps (because of being rooted), and finally the worst scenario of all: not being possible to un-root the device. I must have tried 10 times, following the directions to the T and repeatedly getting the same failure error. I was finally able to find someone else with a similar problem who posted their solution. Tried, waited, failed. Fully bricked, I mean not even a flicker or a battery light would come on after that. Fortunately, I was able to lie to customer service and convince them to do a warranty exchange (Aeon-1, T-Mobile-0) so I got a replacement and haven't rooted since.
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Sorry to hear that didn't work out so well. I think you'll find that your MT4GS experience will be a lot better.
Check the link to my backup thread in my signature. Read through it, and feel free to ask any questions in that thread you may have. I or another will be happy to help you clear them up.
Link: Backups - After Rooting, before ROMing, take this step
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So I guess my point is, I'm actually scared to root my new MT4GS for the sake of potentially not being able to unroot it if need be. But, so far from what I've read it looks like it is reversable if I ever need to. I was likely considering using theunlockr.com's method due to clearly stated, and easily understood instructions. I wish I could say the same about the posts I've read @ XDA regarding rooting instructions.
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Yea, everything tends to happen first here, so trying to keep it all organized as things change and develop is difficult at times, much too convoluted at others.
Basically, you need to take your bootloader from S-ON to S-OFF. Do this with the Revolutionary exploit. It installs CWM 4.0.0.8 during the process.
Then you need to make a nandroid backup. (see my backup thread)
Then you should upgrade to the official Clockworkmod Recovery, replacing 4.0.0.8 that was installed with the S-OFF exploit. The version is 5.0.2.7
Dev section link for the official CWM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329160
Once you do that, you should already have the superuser.apk you need for rooting that you found when you got the Revolutionary S-OFF tools. You can either have done it then, or now.
I'd wait until after getting the official CWM first, simply because that makes your first nandroid backup as fresh as it can be. It's up to you when you do it.
And that's basically it.
You now have a stock, rooted phone that you can start to play with. I'd say play with it for a little while on the stock ROM before switching to another, that way you'll get a feel for what you gain or lose, and if the various trade-offs are worth it.
Before doing any of that stuff, though, read through this thread:
Read this before posting. MT4G Slide Compendium
That will get you a little more familiar with the terminology, and provide helpful links to start exploring what you need to know.
Also read as much of this thread as you can stand:
S-OFF for Retail (S-ON) Devices, NOTE ADDED 8/17/11
This S-OFF for retail is the thread that officially announced the Revolutionary exploit for S-OFF here. The links in the OP will take you to where you need to go to get it.
If you get through that one, then this is a follow up:
PERMANENT-ROOT (NEW!) & Temp-Root (v2) for any MT4GS (Windows)
The temp-root thread is a bit confusing, because before we got S-OFF you could root the phone until you rebooted it. Once the Revolutionary S-OFF method was out, this thread also ran tandem with the official announcement thread. Because it was also dealing with temp root, it led to a lot of confusion.
There is some really good info in that thread, but I recommend reading the official release thread first. It'll make more sense that way, and you may not even have to check the temp-root thread.
(again, this lends to the evolving nature of what we're learning here - hard to keep it organized as it grows.)
Also, this thread: How To Turn S-Off, Install MoDaCo Clockworkmod Recovery, and Install a Rom For Dummie
Was written as a summary on how to get S-OFF and Root, because of how convoluted and looong the two previously mentioned threads got.
Once you hit this point, you're basically set.
My next move would be to install busybox, which you can find in the market, then immediately flash the Security patch to fix a glaring security flaw created by HTC.
At this point i'd make another nandroid backup.
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-Which rooting methods are guaranteed to be un-rootable? That option is crucial, if I ever need to go back to stock or do a warranty exchange (for all those people who were gonna say "Why the hell would you ever consider unrooting?)
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They are all un-rootable, but once you go from S-ON to S-OFF that's a one-way trip. Several people have reported exchanging their devices after returning to stock with an S-OFF bootloader without issue.
This is returning to T-Mobile, though, it's questionable if HTC will accept a return directly of a device with an S-OFF bootloader.
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-So some people suggest ClockworkMod Recovery, others don't seem to care. I ask, is there any real difference between the two? And why?
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As mentioned, upgrade to the official Clockworkmod recovery as soon as possible. From here on out it will be the only supported recovery.
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-Also, which are the best/most stable roms you would suggest? Because I've done the trial and error thing before, comparing several different roms, and I never seemed to find anything worthwhile. (Also, I checked CyanogenMod's site and either I'm blind or they don't have a single rom for the MT4GS)
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I'm working on releasing the updated version of Bulletproof right now, actually, and you'll like that one. Should be out in a day or so. The original developer is moving on and is handing it off to me.
I've just spent the last....dunno how long working at it, and needed to take 5 and clear my head. Cruised through the XDA MT4GS forums as i'm winding down for a break, and you caught me at a good time to give a response.
CM7 just got officially put on hold, but with your interest in the camera you probably wouldn't have gone for that right away. It's an alpha release, and we are very excited to have official CM support for the device, but since Ice Cream Sandwich ( Android 4.0 ) source code was just released, the CM team is focusing on that and it's likely to be a while before the CM7 for our phone sees an update.
Honestly, i'm more excited that they are focusing so exculsively on Ice Cream Sandwich, because that means a lot more for all the phones and devices beyond just our own version of CM7.
I'll leave other ROM recommendations to others who will surely come through here and tell you more about them.
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-I think you somewhat answer the question regarding features of the stock camera being available after rooting. But I need to know: After rooting, is the camera going to be the same as the stock one, including ALL available features (SweepShot, ClearShot HDR, Burst Shot, Macro, Night...)? And is that camera program featured within all rooted roms, or does it have to be installed seperately?
-And ditto that question in regards to G-Maps.
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Pretty much all of the ROMs will support both the Camera app (in its entirety, included in the ROM) and Google maps.
The alpha port of CM7 is the only one (pretty sure) that doesn't support the camera, because the camera is tied into the sense frameworks. CM7 has no Sense components to it, and it was stated very clearly in the thread that it never will. The CM team and their ROM is worth losing the camera app over to a lot of people, and they are the lone exception to the "no camera app" stigma.
Keeping the camera app is one of the things that has been driving development around here, and very few people were willing to use or invest time in making a ROM that would exclude it.
I should take this time to point out that the stock gps configurations are, well, flat out wrong. Misconfigured, and it doesn't work well.
Myself and another developer independently spent a lot of time working on fixing this issue, and when we realized what each other were doing we also realized that we had the piece of the puzzle the other needed to make it work.
We released a collaboration that solved the problem, which you can find here: GPS lock too long or not at all? Try this
If you want to know how my half of the puzzle works, that thread will explain it in almost excrutiating detail. I recommend my patch over the other developers, as he is no longer with us and I will only be continuing support in my thread.
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-And finally this may seem like a n00b question, but I've still never gotten a clear answer: How/When can a Nandroid Backup be performed? I know that it would be a safety precaution in case I ever f*cked up my device and needed to restore, but I've never been able to find clear, accurate, and relevant instructions on how to nandroid backup or even nandroid restore.
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Just cruise through my backup thread. Post 1 is an adb method, post 2 is the nandroid method. If you have any questions, post them in that thread and help us try to maintain some kind of order (hah!)
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So I apologize for asking so many questions, especially since I imagine they seem redundant and novice. However, I have rooted phones before so I'm not a complete n00b; I'm just trying to be VERY thorough this time around, to avoid any potential for error. Thank you in advance for your time.
-Colton
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Honestly, don't ever worry about asking too many or too long of a question, as long as you don't post the question itself as a new thread in the development section of the MT4GS forums.
I'm sorry to hear it took such a bad experience for you to become as cautious as you are, but now that you're long past it you are much better off.
I'd much rather see someone ask questions, read some stuff, ask more questions, and then act on knowledge then just go and do and then say "I broke it, what do I do".
I'm happy to help either way, but if the information is there already then reading it before you start is much better then retroactively. Save the "how do I fix it" for uncharted territory learning things that aren't already common knowledge.
Again, part of the problem is that information is so convoluted because we keep adding to it as we learn new things. You can't really structure it before you know what it's going to be.
Myself and a few others have been trying to put effort into organizing things, but it's really a monumental task and i'd like to develop new things more so then catalogue what we already know. It's a crappy balance, but I try to put equal time to developing and organizing/answering questions.
I hope this helped you out some, I know I didn't completely cover it all but it should give you some things to chew on and help you sift through the data by spending more time on the relevant parts. Even then it's still a lot that you should know.
Don't be afraid to ask questions, one of the reasons I go into such depth is because people can correct me precisely where i'm wrong if I am about something.
You learn more when you're willing to admit you don't know something, then to pretend you do for whatever reason. Asking the right questions depends on being honest about what you do and don't know with yourself, so fire away.
I've got to get outside for a few minutes, then get back into coding, but someone else will come along and add to this soon enough.
Take care!
Well I definitely very much appreciate your prompt, and very detailed response to my many questions. I've been reading over what you've written plus the links over the past day. The main issue I have is digging through each thread looking for relevant information, while trying not to get sucked into each and every tangent post/link/info. I lost track of how many hours I've wasted reading irrelevant info which I initially thought actually had something to do with what I was after. And now a day later, I have my desk covered in reference notes (which are no longer comprehensible) and I'm more confused than I was before.
There are plenty of issues I have with forums in general. First of which being, organization seldom exists. Its like going into a library with a single question about 'how to change a tire', and leaving with 15 random, heavy books on quantum theory and black-matter, because apparently someone implied they were somehow related (I'm referring to other people, not you). Discouraging to say the least. I thought this would be more black-and-white; more simple. When 'Android' was new, rooting was simple (less ways to re-invent the wheel).
I'm walking away from this for now. The headache isnt worth it (I literally feel like I got skull-f*cked by god himself). But thank you for your help and feedback.
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I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
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Yes it is DEFINITELY worth it... Root away my friend and welcome to the MT4GS family. This phones kicks ass and we are expanding every day like wildfire
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I'm walking away from this for now. The headache isnt worth it (I literally feel like I got skull-f*cked by god himself). But thank you for your help and feedback.
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Hah, yea, XDA is like that all over - just the nature of the beast.
This is not the quick-answer type of home, yet from a developers point of view there is no better place on the internet for android/phone development information and help.
It really does all start here, and the journey of discovery is much more prized and worthwhile then the actual end result. In that respect the way XDA is, is the way it should be.
Sometimes the best way to come to grips with something is to forget about it for a little while. Let your mind work it over running in the background, and when you bring it back into focus you'll have a better hold on what you need, and what you still have to learn.
Again, feel free to ask any questions you may have and we'll do the best we can to get you set in the right direction.
Ya, it was like mass overload the other day; it was like trying to make a PBJ sandwhich, then realizing I have to bake my own bread from scratch, grind up peanuts into butter, and somehow pick my own berries for jam, etc...
Anyways, I read over some of those topics again and some of it makes a little more sense. But still, some of those threads are so damn long, Im not gonna read each and every post from top to bottom of the thread, at least not yet. But the main issue I've realized is definitely going to be a problem is the fact that turning S-Off is irreversible. There is absolutely no method of turning S-On after its been turned off, which doesnt seem to make any sense; I figure, if you are able to flip a light-switch on, its only obvious you should be able to flip the switch off. So why is the 'S-Off' method a one-way path? And is this problem going to be fixed?
I read a bunch of articles and tutorials on 'unrooting' the MT4GS, and each one says that it will change the phone back to the stock factory condition it was in before rooting. Of course, once I scroll down and keep reading comments, everyone says that there isnt a way to turn "S-ON". SO, how the hell would someone be able to root their phone while still ever having the option to do a warranty exchange? Unrooting is great cause it gets you most the way there. But I've been reading that when T-Mobile recieves the phone, they send it to HTC for inspection/repair, and thats where they look at all the software/firmware/h-boot/recovery/S-ON Versions to make sure they are at factory specs. So once again, even though it is possible to "unroot" the MT4GS if need be, it still impossible to fully go back to factory standard (which is exactly what I was worried about).
Thats ****ty cause I was actually willing and ready to start rooting via theunlockr.com's method (cause its a hell of a lot easier than any tutorial in these forums, it does it the same way, its just easier to understand). BUT, that S-ON/S-OFF snafu is enough for me to reconsider. As I'm sure there are tons of benefits to rooting and therefore I may not ever want to unroot, I still may need to for the sake of the warranty exchange. And believe me when I say that I NEED to have the ability to exchange; I've had to exchange the MT4GS 5 times within 3 consecutive weeks because each one I recieved in the mail had some physical manufacturer defects. And since the most recent replacement is a refurb, I need to leave that Warranty-Door open in case I need to exchange.... again.
By the way, I forgot why S-Off was required in the first place. Is it possible to remain rooted without S-Off???
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Ya, it was like mass overload the other day; it was like trying to make a PBJ sandwhich, then realizing I have to bake my own bread from scratch, grind up peanuts into butter, and somehow pick my own berries for jam, etc...
Anyways, I read over some of those topics again and some of it makes a little more sense. But still, some of those threads are so damn long, Im not gonna read each and every post from top to bottom of the thread, at least not yet. But the main issue I've realized is definitely going to be a problem is the fact that turning S-Off is irreversible. There is absolutely no method of turning S-On after its been turned off, which doesnt seem to make any sense; I figure, if you are able to flip a light-switch on, its only obvious you should be able to flip the switch off. So why is the 'S-Off' method a one-way path? And is this problem going to be fixed?
I read a bunch of articles and tutorials on 'unrooting' the MT4GS, and each one says that it will change the phone back to the stock factory condition it was in before rooting. Of course, once I scroll down and keep reading comments, everyone says that there isnt a way to turn "S-ON". SO, how the hell would someone be able to root their phone while still ever having the option to do a warranty exchange? Unrooting is great cause it gets you most the way there. But I've been reading that when T-Mobile recieves the phone, they send it to HTC for inspection/repair, and thats where they look at all the software/firmware/h-boot/recovery/S-ON Versions to make sure they are at factory specs. So once again, even though it is possible to "unroot" the MT4GS if need be, it still impossible to fully go back to factory standard (which is exactly what I was worried about).
Thats ****ty cause I was actually willing and ready to start rooting via theunlockr.com's method (cause its a hell of a lot easier than any tutorial in these forums, it does it the same way, its just easier to understand). BUT, that S-ON/S-OFF snafu is enough for me to reconsider. As I'm sure there are tons of benefits to rooting and therefore I may not ever want to unroot, I still may need to for the sake of the warranty exchange. And believe me when I say that I NEED to have the ability to exchange; I've had to exchange the MT4GS 5 times within 3 consecutive weeks because each one I recieved in the mail had some physical manufacturer defects. And since the most recent replacement is a refurb, I need to leave that Warranty-Door open in case I need to exchange.... again.
By the way, I forgot why S-Off was required in the first place. Is it possible to remain rooted without S-Off???
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not permanently. you'd have to temp-root every time you reboot.
Revolutionary is about the easiest way to root a phone in existence so I'm not sure why you're so scared... assuming you have adb working, it's literally as easy as plugging your phone in and opening a single file in the Revolutionary zip archive. everything is done for you. as long as you don't download their faulty recovery (it will ask you if you want to... just say no), it's literally the easiest rooting method available that I've ever seen.
don't make it too complicated. I certainly believe in having all of your bases covered, especially when it comes to potentially screwing up a $500 bundle of plastic, metal and silicone, but rooting is not a big deal anymore.
many people will tell you that they have received warranty replacements after sending in S-OFF/rooted phones. my best guess would be that HTC/Tmo randomly pick phones to "thoroughly check" and the majority don't receive this type of treatment.. and even if they find a rooted device, there's no telling whether or not they will deny your replacement.
I received a warranty replacement (faulty hardware buttons, the leds never turned off) for my gal's rooted MT4GS simply by installing the stock rom and recovery, but still with Revolutionary's hboot installed. No issues whatsoever. I'm not saying it's "right" and I'm not guaranteeing you the same result, just offering my first-hand experience.
here's how you can obtain perma-root and s-off in ~10 minutes. no complicated guides:
www.revolutionary.io
download installer, enter serial # to get your code.
open archive and find the installer... let it run.
when it's done, you'll be rooted and s-off with a custom hboot. say "no" to the download recovery option and manually flash the official CWM recovery, or modaco's 4.0.0.9 recovery image. (either should be fine, although roms are going to start coming out that may have issues with the 4.0.0.9 modaco recovery so cwm is probably your best bet)
if not being able to flip the S-OFF switch back to S-ON at this point is something you can't get over, this isn't for you. personally, I spent $500 on this phone and I'm going to do whatever the hell I want to it, and if TMO and HTC have a problem with that, I will happily take my business elsewhere.
Its not rooting that I'm worried about, its the possibility of having to do (yet another) warranty exchange and being caught sending back a warranty-void device. And since I just found out that my premium phone insurance extends my warranty for an indefinite amount of time, I imagine that i will undoubtedly be exchanging this phone sometime in the future. I can only hope that by then either the S-Off thing has been fixed or T-Mobile announces they no longer care. I can see both happening, honestly.
Rooting is going to be the easy part, if/when I decide to do it. The last things I havent yet figured out are:
-Which Rom(s) I'm going to try. When I compare most roms side by side, they all seem vaguely identical. I remember Cyanogen having the option of fully customized visual aspects/themes, as well as tons of settings/features that werent offered through other roms. But the problem with CM is that, as you said before, the several camera options/modes in the stock rom are not being used by CM. I'm looking for a rom that is, above all, stable; lightweight/fast; includes all camera features of stock rom; and if apps like gmaps wont be included, I'd like to be able to find something that is comparable, or even better if possible. If not, I really hope the market allows gmaps to be installed on a rooted device (a while back on my rooted phone, the install of gmaps would always fail) Also, you had mentioned that you were nearing completion of a Rom of your own, so I might read up on that as well.
-I read up on that article on micro sd cards regarding speed comparisons, so I ended up running the benchmark app on my pc and found that my SanDisk 8bg Class 4 was (apparently) faster than my currently used Samsung 16gb Class 2, which sucks cause I like having more space than I use. But anyways it got me thinking, I realize that speed is important for file-transfers and also running apps that have been moved to the sd, but I could have sworn I remember someone talking about how they had rooted and then installed their OS/Rom onto their SD card instead of the phone itself. I dont know if I read that wrong or not. And if that was accurate, then I want to know if there is truly any benefit from doing that or not.
-Also, in regards to sd cards, I remember last year when I had a rooted MT3G with Amon Ra's recovery, there was an option to throw in partitions. Almost everyone I talked with on here told me to add a partition. Then after a few updates to the recovery, I noticed new options in the partition section: Ext.2, Ext.3, and Ext.4 as well as the options to select the partition size and "swap" size. I never did understand what exactly the difference (if any) between "Ext.2, Ext. 4.... etc" was.
And as far as the "swap" size, I remember there being a LOT of debate over what exactly this number should be. Some people started suggesting outrageously high numbers, while others explicitly explained to not do that, because apparently the lower the number the faster it becomes. Ok, so if thats the basic concept, great. But I still never did find any reliable information regarding "swap" size.
So ya, those are the final questions/issues that have been bugging me. Any advice/help is greatly appreciated.
I've posted a campaign in the wildfire S forum as many of you may have seen on the portal last week. I'm making a thread here to gather some more views on the whole thing and hopefully gather some more info. We need to join forces.
Some questions to the chacha forum members:
1. How close have any devs come to unlocking the chacha?
2. Is camera the only problem left on your CM7?
3. Has anyone tried the HTCdev method even though it's not listed?
Both of these phones are 2011 models! And now they are relegated to the legacy/low activity section of XDA just because of this stupid S-ON situation, can you believe it?
What's going on, what do you think about it?
Im proper disappointed with htc and blame them completely for the lack of development for our devices.
I think this will be the last htc i purchase.
Htc say they listen, well maybe they need to clean their damn ears out cause they obviously can't hear us.
Maybe we haven't spent enough money on a more premium device and they think we don't deserve an unlocked device for that reason alone (GREEDY).
well did they not stop to think maybe these phones were some users first experience of htc and android and that because of the whole locked bootloader fiasco many users feel let down and will move to a different manufacturer.
If i bought a new car (just as an example), would it be ok for the manufacturer to limit the speed when in fact i paid good money and should be able to run it with no restrictions, cause if im not mistaken it now belongs to ME!
my property, let me do what the hell i want with it!!!
1. No where near I think... the closest thing we have is a temproot via ramdisk - only S-OFF we can get is by the XTC Clip.
2. According to our CM7 thread here, we still have slight problems with Wi-Fi, and camera doesn't work at all.
3. I've tried the HTCDev method, but when I type fastboot oem get_identifier_token, I get a command error.
Unfortunately HTC is still not dev friendly as they are suggesting. Currently the major problem we are having with the CM build is the camera, whilst the Wi-Fi issue can be considered minor (since the major problem is the inability to connect to hidden networks).
I'm as disappointed as everyone else, member of the Wildfire S or ChaCha community, that our devices dropped into the legacy section, considering the amount of time and work I've spent here, trying to help as many users as possible.
Wow, HTC really have let us down haven't they? The problem I see is, that as soon as we find a soft method to achieve S-OFF, one or both forums will likely pop back up to the main XDA board.
Our CM7 bugs sound identical to yours. We managed to fix camera with the help of an official CM dev, you probably can check our CM7 thread to find a fix. We also have minor wifi issues.
Okay so I had a G2x and tried rooting it and I think i did something wrong. With all these instructions ramble on about one thing and another hard for me to really understand all the correct steps.
So can I please have someone give me a hand with this? As in a step by step process of everything? This is my second G2X brand new from T-Mobile has the Gingerbread 2.3.3. So if anyone can actually tell me step by step and what files I am going to need so I don't brick this one because 300USD is getting expensive.
u payed for ur replacement? lol
use the one click flash nvidia tool, to flash the clockworkmod, you dont evne have to root it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG08Uc8pQT0
yeah I had to pay for a second one. GRRR T-Mo actually checks their phones with sprint if I bricked or something just dip it in water and send it in. They would never check to see if you rooted it. So anyways do I install Clockwork or only do the steps in the video with the nv flasher?
And whats the best rom? I really like the looks of MIUI sorta looks like my wifes iPhone.
i think you screwed yourself on this one... this phone is like virtually unbrickable, nvflash should be able to bring you out of any soft bricks you might run into and ive run into a fair share of them and never had a problem...
i would recommend you sift though the development section and read all of the tutorials and have a very good understanding of what you are doing instead of having someone spoonfeed you everything when you really dont know what you are doing... (im a high school math teacher and cannot stand it when students are just spoonfed information because in the end they really dont understand what they are doing)
start here though http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847
Yeah, what he said. maybe you shouldn't be messing with your phone if you don't understand the implications.
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(im a high school math teacher and cannot stand it when students are just spoonfed information because in the end they really dont understand what they are doing)
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Best thing I've ever read. It helps shine a light on why so many people almost daily are asking for help on how to do something when this forum is riddled with tutorials. I personally stopped helping months ago with any questions on how to root or flash or just anything that there are tutorials for. It just gets crazy redundant.
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Yeah, what he said. maybe you shouldn't be messing with your phone if you don't understand the implications.
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(im a high school math teacher and cannot stand it when students are just spoonfed information because in the end they really dont understand what they are doing)
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Best thing I've ever read. It helps shine a light on why so many people almost daily are asking for help on how to do something when this forum is riddled with tutorials. I personally stopped helping months ago with any questions on how to root or flash or just anything that there are tutorials for. It just gets crazy redundant.
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Then why even post in here? Don't be a ****. Even more frustrating than people who can't use a search feature are people too uptight and high-strung to help someone. Yeah, maybe the OP could have found the answer himself. But he's obviously been following a tutorial (likely in this very forum) that's not working for him (hence his replacement phone). The guy just needs two seconds of help from someone. In the amount of time it took me to copy/paste the following links, I could have torn him a new one thirty times over. But I'm not a ****. So, if you absolutely HAVE to post here, at least make it constructive. Incessant *****ing does no good for anyone.
To the OP:
Firstly, you'll need to flash CWM. This is super simple, given you're on a PC. If you're on Mac, things will get tricky (i.e. virtual Linux environment, headaches, etc).
Next, you can find an easy to follow rooting method here. It even has an unroot .zip option given you have to send your phone in again (will save you another $300 ).
And of course, you can PM me if you need any help. If these are the steps you have already followed, here's a YouTube video with some visuals. When I'm stuck on something, that usually helps me a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CEjInNY5Y0
Good luck!
Uhhhh... i really dont understand how i was being a ****... I simply stated that he should have a holistic understanding of what hes doing before he starts tinkering because the figure it out as you go method can lead to a 300 dollar paper weight. Not to mention I pointed him in the right direction to start....
All I did was give a bit of advice that I felt was in his best interest and then sent him on his way...
If you think what I originally posted was flaming then you clearly have never seen me tear somebody a new one lol
Dont worry man
sent from my Sensation XD
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Then why even post in here? Don't be a ****. Even more frustrating than people who can't use a search feature are people too uptight and high-strung to help someone.
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Cuz I thought what he said was funny and agreed. I didnt realize the average joe had the right to question peoples right to agree and post. Don't get self-righteous on us.
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Then why even post in here? Don't be a ****. Even more frustrating than people who can't use a search feature are people too uptight and high-strung to help someone. Yeah, maybe the OP could have found the answer himself. But he's obviously been following a tutorial (likely in this very forum) that's not working for him (hence his replacement phone). The guy just needs two seconds of help from someone. In the amount of time it took me to copy/paste the following links, I could have torn him a new one thirty times over. But I'm not a ****. So, if you absolutely HAVE to post here, at least make it constructive. Incessant *****ing does no good for anyone.
To the OP:
Firstly, you'll need to flash CWM. This is super simple, given you're on a PC. If you're on Mac, things will get tricky (i.e. virtual Linux environment, headaches, etc).
Next, you can find an easy to follow rooting method here. It even has an unroot .zip option given you have to send your phone in again (will save you another $300 ).
And of course, you can PM me if you need any help. If these are the steps you have already followed, here's a YouTube video with some visuals. When I'm stuck on something, that usually helps me a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CEjInNY5Y0
Good luck!
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They are being difficult. What they realize is that the OP has already stated that he's bricked one device because he cannot follow directions. He obviously does not know what he's doing, and has problems following instructions because, as he put it..they go on and on... In the end even if he successfully roots his phone, he may wind up causing himself problems by having access to system files because it's obvious he doesn't really know what he's doing. Everyone shouldn't root. If you cannot follow the simple instructions to root without "bricking" a device, and you cannot follow simple instructions to bring the device back to an operational state, then perhaps rooting is not for you (OP). It just sounds like he is going to cause himself even more problems.
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They are being difficult. What they realize is that the OP has already stated that he's bricked one device because he cannot follow directions. He obviously does not know what he's doing, and has problems following instructions because, as he put it..they go on and on... In the end even if he successfully roots his phone, he may wind up causing himself problems by having access to system files because it's obvious he doesn't really know what he's doing. Everyone shouldn't root. If you cannot follow the simple instructions to root without "bricking" a device, and you cannot follow simple instructions to bring the device back to an operational state, then perhaps rooting is not for you (OP). It just sounds like he is going to cause himself even more problems.
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^^this... root access to phones is not a hand out, it has to be earned, and you earn it by educating yourself about your device and its capabilities and by following simple instructions...
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yeah I had to pay for a second one. GRRR T-Mo actually checks their phones with sprint if I bricked or something just dip it in water and send it in. They would never check to see if you rooted it. So anyways do I install Clockwork or only do the steps in the video with the nv flasher?
And whats the best rom? I really like the looks of MIUI sorta looks like my wifes iPhone.
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I can't believe no one has said this yet.
Most phones have water sensors, so dipping it in water would just void the warranty. Sorry if you were joking. But as many have said, it's pretty easy to flash the phone back to normal so the TMobile doesn't know it's been hacked. Did you ask here first?
I am thankful for all the responses. Sorry if I caused grief and headache to anyone. I was finally able to get my phone rooted giving the information that someone provided to me on here. I sent him a PM to personally thank him.
By all means I should probably be *****ed at if I don't follow instructions very well. I have always considered myself a visual learner. If I don't have hands on and able to see it done, it really complicates things for me. I guess you can call it a disability.
Anyways I have come from a long line to HTC which I can say is way different in rooting then these phones. I root them to begin with to get rid of all the stupid software T-Mobile places in my phone and to normally switch to CM7 which I have found out is giving me problems which I am currently trying to figure out.
So please negative comments and put downs are always accepted it comes with the questions. But I don't want to sound like an ass or anything when I say this because I mean it in the upmost respect to everyone, but isn't this a forum? A community forum?
Someone once had to show you, all I did was ask for the same help. And this whole GSM network ways of doing things is different from my typical Sprint CDMA network that I am used to. Everything was pretty much the same when it came to that.
Again please I AM VERY SORRY truly if I caused any problems. Please don't be upset at me. Thanks.
I don't think anyone is upset with you. We're all here to contribute and help. Have fun with your rooted G2X
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Okay so I had a G2x and tried rooting it and I think i did something wrong. With all these instructions ramble on about one thing and another hard for me to really understand all the correct steps.
So can I please have someone give me a hand with this? As in a step by step process of everything? This is my second G2X brand new from T-Mobile has the Gingerbread 2.3.3. So if anyone can actually tell me step by step and what files I am going to need so I don't brick this one because 300USD is getting expensive.
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Don't feel bad. I bricked mine upgrading to GB, and I'm still not sure what went wrong. I got it fixed for free by sending it into LG.
sabwjawdjw said:
I am thankful for all the responses. Sorry if I caused grief and headache to anyone. I was finally able to get my phone rooted giving the information that someone provided to me on here. I sent him a PM to personally thank him.
By all means I should probably be *****ed at if I don't follow instructions very well. I have always considered myself a visual learner. If I don't have hands on and able to see it done, it really complicates things for me. I guess you can call it a disability.
Anyways I have come from a long line to HTC which I can say is way different in rooting then these phones. I root them to begin with to get rid of all the stupid software T-Mobile places in my phone and to normally switch to CM7 which I have found out is giving me problems which I am currently trying to figure out.
So please negative comments and put downs are always accepted it comes with the questions. But I don't want to sound like an ass or anything when I say this because I mean it in the upmost respect to everyone, but isn't this a forum? A community forum?
Someone once had to show you, all I did was ask for the same help. And this whole GSM network ways of doing things is different from my typical Sprint CDMA network that I am used to. Everything was pretty much the same when it came to that.
Again please I AM VERY SORRY truly if I caused any problems. Please don't be upset at me. Thanks.
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Do not sweat the whiners. Here is the way I look at it... It is a forum for developers. I can not develop crap, so I try to do my part by being helpful when I can. Everyone here was brand new at one point. Make sure you do your part by reading as much as you can. If you still have questions/issues, send me a PM.
Why does every noob question get followed up with a bunch bullshizz. We were all noobs at one point, I remember when my Huawei ascend scared me. Nothing is worse than bricking your phone and being upset than a bunch of know it all asses being pricks. Is the g2x forum the only one full of d-ckheads? I've never heard so much whining and holier than thou bs. I'm surprised we have any devs, ungrateful bunch of *****es. Wah, nvidia never, wah, everyone else has ics, wah, that noob asked a question, wah, I suck. I love my g2x, it's a typical musclecar, way over powered and finicky as hell. The g2x is not a beginners device, this is for big boys and girls. I wonder what the whiners would do if they owned a ferrari? Newsflash, they break down, a lot! I remember when xda was where you went for help and support, now I come here to be entertained by the ignorance of the know it alls. Go ahead, blast me, I'm a writer for an Android website and I'll make it painful. OK, then, how bout all these new roms and updates? It's like the g2x is reborn. Hey, wait a minute, I thought the g2x was a useless, unsupported piece of ka ka? Frickin morons!
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Well first I am glad you were able to fix the phone however I understand knowledgeable people get frustrated because this phone is simple to root. With a phone that has been out this long there is no reason anyone can not find out what to do on there own.
There are so many YouTube videos and forums like this. You are not the second person to too your phone or to brick it so why create a new post looking for help when you can simply Google it. I know your lazy and expect someone else to do your work for you.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...9l19l0l3l3l0l1535l5020l1.0.3.0.2.2.1.0.1l10l0
See plenty of info on the subject I am sure one of these other people have been helped.
This is why devs are tired of these questions they have been answered over and over. You may find this mean to say but you most likely found this forum by using Google so use it to fix your phone. Stop wasting peoples time by being lazy and use your head.
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The problem is this. Ppl dont know how to research their issue. Also ppl in our generation cant seem to follow directions worth ****. I was the same way. I learned on my g1. Rooted it successful and then bricked my friends. Over the years ive learned alot about computers/phone/cdma flashing. Playing with the big boys. You develop problem solving skills that you can apply outside of this. It truly makes you smarter. So yea. Maybe we are know it all asses.
sent from an HTC sensation on CM7 alpha #10
Not much point to this other than me just coming to a slow realization, I don't know why it took me this long but I've finally realized most of the problems I read about are caused by people NOT reading and the problems never really should have happened in the first place.
Perfect example is the new firmware, I've lost count of how many people have posted issues with it even though they aren't superCID and don't even know what that means. Or people not taking the time to research some key vocabulary words, like the difference between a radio and an ruu.
I just don't understand why somebody would spend the money to buy a relatively expensive phone like the sensation and then not take the time to research and read thoroughly before attempting something that could potentially brick their brand new toy??
Ahhh, forget it, maybe I'm just cranky...
kingston73 said:
Not much point to this other than me just coming to a slow realization, I don't know why it took me this long but I've finally realized most of the problems I read about are caused by people NOT reading and the problems never really should have happened in the first place.
Perfect example is the new firmware, I've lost count of how many people have posted issues with it even though they aren't superCID and don't even know what that means. Or people not taking the time to research some key vocabulary words, like the difference between a radio and an ruu.
I just don't understand why somebody would spend the money to buy a relatively expensive phone like the sensation and then not take the time to research and read thoroughly before attempting something that could potentially brick their brand new toy??
Ahhh, forget it, maybe I'm just cranky...
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yep man...it is very boring to say thousand of time the same thing! well but no one can change it...unfortunately
While this is true, you also have to understand that some threads did not state that you need the latest firmware for the rom to work. I remember flashing a ics rom for the first time and the original thread did not sya I need ton upgrade my firmware
c19932 said:
While this is true, you also have to understand that some threads did not state that you need the latest firmware for the rom to work. I remember flashing a ics rom for the first time and the original thread did not sya I need ton upgrade my firmware
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This is so true. Some of the instructions are missing steps that you need to complete before you even start. And this board is MASSIVE in size, so finding the right info for your device might sometimes be tricky.
its because people are too impatient
Now don't blame the threads "missing steps" or "not saying you need to upgrade." If you're going to flash your phone with experimental software, you need to know what you're doing.
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Now don't blame the threads "missing steps" or "not saying you need to upgrade." If you're going to flash your phone with experimental software, you need to know what you're doing.
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I agree with this. Coz before I did flash my phone I really did intensive research reading everywhere in this section, finding tips though its true not all guide for noobs is really for noobs which you should have common sense on what you exactly need to do. Until recently a lot of guys (we should thank them) really dedicated their time doing the spoon fed procedures but unfortunately there seems still few people having the hardtime to flash FW, ROM Kernel and ended up bricking the phone.
Been that way for a long time, buddy. Never gonna change.
It would be nice if duplicate questions, cases of user error, etc. were deleted. But that would be way too much work.
I don't know who keeps on rating a 1 and tagging threads with useless tags just because he can but whoever you are, you should realize that this is a public forum. If the topic doesn't concern you, move along. I bet that this is the same guy that put a 1 rating on our Sensation on PH thread.
Get a life buddy. You have way too much free time on your hands.
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I agree with this. Coz before I did flash my phone I really did intensive research reading everywhere in this section, finding tips though its true not all guide for noobs is really for noobs which you should have common sense on what you exactly need to do. Until recently a lot of guys (we should thank them) really dedicated their time doing the spoon fed procedures but unfortunately there seems still few people having the hardtime to flash FW, ROM Kernel and ended up bricking the phone.
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I agree on 70% on what you said, but....
A COMPLETE noob will not be able to know what those "common sense steps" mean. Nor will he know which terms and which threads apply to his process of flashing, nor which information to look for. He will follow the instructions to the letter, get stuck and then get frustrated when people jump on him and tell him he should've known he had to do this and that before starting.
So, of course he will be confused and ask questions on this forum, EVEN IF the information is available in thread #898761, page 46, post #197.
But yes, I agree. Most of the instructions are solid and most of them tell you to go to a specific thread if you don't know what something means. But not all.
Whats the point of this thread? I don't mean to flame or ***** or troll, really. But it's like saying "If wealth in the world would be more evenly distributed, children in africa wouldn't die from famine" and then you'd have 10 others nodding and saying "yeah"
yeah I agree with OP totally, we all know that and we all were faced with retards who can't google up words like "adb push". Even a noob can fire up google and read what this means, just like I did.
But it's the way it is, and you're not the first to complain about it. Still won't change a damn thing because those ppl we're talking about are the ones least likely to read this thread.
I know you said yourself this thread is for venting, but had I opened a thread each time I face-palmed because of stupid ppl then... ah well you get my point
just my 0.5$
cheers!
Vipeout said:
Whats the point of this thread? I don't mean to flame or ***** or troll, really. But it's like saying "If wealth in the world would be more evenly distributed, children in africa wouldn't die from famine" and then you'd have 10 others nodding and saying "yeah"
yeah I agree with OP totally, we all know that and we all were faced with retards who can't google up words like "adb push". Even a noob can fire up google and read what this means, just like I did.
But it's the way it is, and you're not the first to complain about it. Still won't change a damn thing because those ppl we're talking about are the ones least likely to read this thread.
I know you said yourself this thread is for venting, but had I opened a thread each time I face-palmed because of stupid ppl then... ah well you get my point
just my 0.5$
cheers!
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Yes the main thing is people should really learn to use the search bar at the top of every page. Its my best friend and has saved me when I got into a boot loop. Also if, for any reason whatsoever, you feel like your about to brick your phone by flashing a rom or a kernel or whatever, DONT DO IT. Plain and simple. DONT DO IT. You shouldn't be rooting if you don't hold the confidence to flash a kernel or rom and know your phone won't brick.
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