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I've heard many comments about JB being smooth and fast interface wise, what about its browser performance (be it stock or 3rd party)?
I personally hesitate to switch to JB from CleanRom because JB is not yet mature and I'm the kind of person who just wants everything to work (a bug kind of annoys me even if it doesn't affect me, is there anybody out there who's like me ?) But the thing I really hate about ICS (tried many roms and browsers and various tweaks) and HOX is the browsing performance. I don't care what the benchmark numbers say (I've personally benched mine and the numbers are all inline with the published numbers), I just want a half-close-to desktop experience on the phone when it comes to browsing speed. I mean our phone is equipped with such cutting edge components and all I want is for a website to load in a couple of seconds (or what about 3, or even 4) , consistently. But more often than not, that progress bar just keeps crawling and crawling and you just wonder what the heck it's doing. It's not the internet speed, as speedtest shows consistently fast speed on both wifi and LTE. That means the data of the websites has no problem reaching the phone, but the phone simply struggles to render the pages, even with all the power of the snapdragons.
Can I hope that the upcoming JB roms (after HTC releases official JB upgrade) can fix or at least improve this issue?
I dont have any problems browsing on chrome cleanrom 4.5. What sites give you problem? I havent had any rendering problems.
But yeah, JB browser is a lot faster.
You're just being incredibly paranoid, and you even mention it how the smallest of bugs will bother you. What you are mentioning about the loading bar getting stuck, has nothing to do with your connection, or even your phone. It's usually caused by advertisement networks on the websites you visit.. You see, when you visit a website, chrome requests data literally hundreds of times from multiple sources. Ad networks, jquery calls, and other page elements will naturally take longer to be served since they're coming from different servers in different locations.
It's the same on iOS, but safari makes it look like the page is done loading... But it's really not, just check the spinning thing next to the carrier name.
So, unless you have specific, reproducible examples to show us that chrome is "simply struggling to render pages", I have to say it's not that. Sit back, relax and enjoy the awesome browsing experience on the One X. The Chrome experience on Jelly Bean is exactly the same.
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It's usually caused by advertisement networks on the websites you visit.. You see, when you visit a website, chrome requests data literally hundreds of times from multiple sources. Ad networks, jquery calls, and other page elements will naturally take longer to be served since they're coming from different servers in different locations.
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You will notice it when you use Chrome on the desktop too. While a page loads, it will say "waiting for blahblah.com" and it's usually some sort of ad site.
I haven't noticed much of a difference between my HOX and my N7. As noted, it really has more to do with the sites you visit.
If your phone is rooted, you can always install and ad-blocker on your phone.
Through an ip blacklist, this will allow your phone to block known advertising companies. For web and in-app advertising.
Not only does it stop the whole "in your face" advertising, but it will also speed up page loads and save you data etc.
I use AdAway personally.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/..._result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hZGF3YXkiXQ..
AdFree Android is too
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...DEsImNvbS5iaWd0aW5jYW4uYW5kcm9pZC5hZGZyZWUiXQ..
AdBlock Plus for Chrome on PC:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb
I've been on MIUI 2.8.24 v3 for a few days now, and it's noticeably faster. Like you said, JB is still in its infancy so there's plenty of work, but its stable enough that I've had no problems using it daily for the past few days. The real problems I've experienced are in MIUI themselves. Like others have said, CleanROM or another highly refined ROM will probably run pretty darn well.
Since upgrading to ICS several days ago, two websites that I frequently visit on my tab are malfunctioning - seems to be javascript-related and somewhat browser independent. The sites are pcworld.com and nbcnews.com. In general, on pcworld.com, links don't work. Nothing happens when I tap them (they do highlight in light blue - that's all). On nbcnews.com, which forces the mobile site using some browsers, the links to stories and the down arrow to "show more stories" don't work. Both of these situations (pcworld and nbcnews) exist for the stock browser, Dolphin, and Chrome (also installed and tried Maxthon and Skyfire just to check - same issue there), but both sites work fine in Firefox and Opera. However, if I disable javascript in Dolphin, pcworld.com works fine, and I can link to stories on nbcnews. The "show more stories" in nbcnews.com still doesn't work but the screen behaves a bit differently when I tap it. Chrome, by the way, pretty much goes non-functional if I disable javascript in it - none of the browser control buttons such as bookmarks, recent sites, etc. work at all.
Pcworld was definitely working before going to ICS. I think nbcnews had gotten a little squirrelly. My conclusion that it's a javascript issue is based on the fact that disabling javascript restores link function to pcworld and at least to the nbcnews.com stories. Any thoughts?
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Since upgrading to ICS several days ago, two websites that I frequently visit on my tab are malfunctioning - seems to be javascript-related and somewhat browser independent. The sites are pcworld.com and nbcnews.com. In general, on pcworld.com, links don't work. Nothing happens when I tap them (they do highlight in light blue - that's all). On nbcnews.com, which forces the mobile site using some browsers, the links to stories and the down arrow to "show more stories" don't work. Both of these situations (pcworld and nbcnews) exist for the stock browser, Dolphin, and Chrome (also installed and tried Maxthon and Skyfire just to check - same issue there), but both sites work fine in Firefox and Opera. However, if I disable javascript in Dolphin, pcworld.com works fine, and I can link to stories on nbcnews. The "show more stories" in nbcnews.com still doesn't work but the screen behaves a bit differently when I tap it. Chrome, by the way, pretty much goes non-functional if I disable javascript in it - none of the browser control buttons such as bookmarks, recent sites, etc. work at all.
Pcworld was definitely working before going to ICS. I think nbcnews had gotten a little squirrelly. My conclusion that it's a javascript issue is based on the fact that disabling javascript restores link function to pcworld and at least to the nbcnews.com stories. Any thoughts?
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Could someone with ICS on a 7.7 tab, preferably Verizon, try to navigate either of these sites and let me know if the problem is unique to my device? Thanks.
i dont have verizon tab... just a normal usual 7.7... but still both site show problem like the one you post.
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i dont have verizon tab... just a normal usual 7.7... but still both site show problem like the one you post.
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Thanks for checking. You are running ICS, right?
yup.. one of my device running on pure stock ics and another running on PA2.5
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Since upgrading to ICS several days ago, two websites that I frequently visit on my tab are malfunctioning - seems to be javascript-related and somewhat browser independent. The sites are pcworld.com and nbcnews.com. In general, on pcworld.com, links don't work. Nothing happens when I tap them (they do highlight in light blue - that's all). On nbcnews.com, which forces the mobile site using some browsers, the links to stories and the down arrow to "show more stories" don't work. Both of these situations (pcworld and nbcnews) exist for the stock browser, Dolphin, and Chrome (also installed and tried Maxthon and Skyfire just to check - same issue there), but both sites work fine in Firefox and Opera. However, if I disable javascript in Dolphin, pcworld.com works fine, and I can link to stories on nbcnews. The "show more stories" in nbcnews.com still doesn't work but the screen behaves a bit differently when I tap it. Chrome, by the way, pretty much goes non-functional if I disable javascript in it - none of the browser control buttons such as bookmarks, recent sites, etc. work at all.
Pcworld was definitely working before going to ICS. I think nbcnews had gotten a little squirrelly. My conclusion that it's a javascript issue is based on the fact that disabling javascript restores link function to pcworld and at least to the nbcnews.com stories. Any thoughts?
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I am currentlyon stock ICS DDLP5. it works fine with the stock browser. Also works with dolphin, firefox chrome and opera. No issues.
So now some people are actually getting the update from Verizon, and these websites seem to be working fine for them. I upgraded per Electron73's post. What might be different about my tab now than those who are getting upgraded by Verizon that would cause this issue?
Is it possible that the problem is that Electron73's instructions by which I upgraded to ICS result in a rooted device? I'm totally ignorant of this stuff and have no idea what possible problems could arise from being rooted. If that could be the problem, how can I unroot? I have no need to be rooted.
rooting only opening an acces to the device with administrator account... it only put 2 files to your device... one is a program to govern the root... superuser or supersu and another one is system/xbin/su binary files. that's it... to fully unroot you just need to delete this 2 files from your device.
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rooting only opening an acces to the device with administrator account... it only put 2 files to your device... one is a program to govern the root... superuser or supersu and another one is system/xbin/su binary files. that's it... to fully unroot you just need to delete this 2 files from your device.
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Thanks. I've done that now. I didn't really think that would fix my problem, and it didn't.
I've read that people who got their tab updated by Verizon / Samsung (many by sending them in) have i815.07 V.LP10 / I815LP10 (note the .07) vs. the .04 that I have installed. Possible issue?
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Thanks. I've done that now. I didn't really think that would fix my problem, and it didn't.
I've read that people who got their tab updated by Verizon / Samsung (many by sending them in) have i815.07 V.LP10 / I815LP10 (note the .07) vs. the .04 that I have installed. Possible issue?
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That's what I'm thinking. I wish electron could get an updated version. My wife is tired of seeing some elements on some of her favorite websites just not show up (images, links, etc). No way I'm unrooting until Verizon/Samsung get their OTA mess sorted out though.
As I mentioned, the websites that aren't working for me are failing in the stock browser, dolphin, chrome, and every other browser I've tried except Firefox, Opera, and now Puffin. Tonight I stumbled upon how to view the javascript console in the stock browser. When I view the javascript console after attempting to follow a link to an article on pcworld.com, I see a long ULR (with static.ak.facebook.com in the middle), followed by the console message "Given URL is now allowed in the Application configuration.: One or more of the given URLs is not allowed by the App's settings. It must match the Website URL or Canvas URL, or the domain must be a subdomain of one of the App's domains." there is a different message about Viewport argument value "device-width;" when I try to navigate the mobile nbcnews.com website. Pcworld works fine if I disable javascript; on the nbcnews mobile site, I can link to articles with javascript disabled but I still can't "Show more stories." Wierdly, about every 1000 tries or so (literally), a link or "Show more stories" will randomly work with javascript enabled, but only for one try.
Any ideas??
Yet another issue - hitting the back button in the stock browser, Dolphin, etc., usually doesn't take me to the previous visited webpage; it just reloads the current page (with some exceptions). If not for Opera and Firefox, my tab would basically be useless for web browsing. (Interestingly, Chrome does not have this issue even though it shares the stock browser and Dolphin's issue of not being able to follow links on nbcnews.com, pcworld.com, etc.) I like the device but am starting to wonder if I should give it up... Any idea if reverting to Honeycomb (!) would restore web browsing? HC was crap but at least I could use the browser.
Based on a little back and forth with Dolphin support and some deductive reasoning, it seems clear to me that any webkit-based browser is going to give me the same issues. I read this morning that Opera is getting ready to abandon its in-house web engine in favor of webkit. That will leave me with just Firefox and Puffin (which some say is insecure and in any case lacks a lot of basic features), neither of which I really like using.
So something seems inherently broken in webkit in the i815.04 V.LP10 version of ICS I have installed. I suppose many don't use their tablets extensively for web browsing so maybe this isn't an issue for most users, but I do browse a lot with it and now feel like my tab is "broken" (sort of the way I felt with Honeycomb that prompted me not to wait for Verizon to fix its failed update). I went so far as to buy a Nexus 7 yesterday morning, but I really didn't like the display and returned it in the afternoon.
I think in Electron73's post there was a link to a download that could be applied to return the tab to Honeycomb. Is that true, and if so has anyone tried reverting and then getting ICS through the OTA update? (It seems that people who have v.07 instead of .04 don't have the browsing problems I've been posting about.) If I reverted to Honeycomb (assuming that's possible) and couldn't get the update OTA, would Verizon / Samsung detect that it had been modified if I tried to get the update by sending it in as so many have had to do? Any other thoughts on possible fixes? Obviously I am pretty ignorant...
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Based on a little back and forth with Dolphin support and some deductive reasoning, it seems clear to me that any webkit-based browser is going to give me the same issues. I read this morning that Opera is getting ready to abandon its in-house web engine in favor of webkit. That will leave me with just Firefox and Puffin (which some say is insecure and in any case lacks a lot of basic features), neither of which I really like using.
So something seems inherently broken in webkit in the i815.04 V.LP10 version of ICS I have installed. I suppose many don't use their tablets extensively for web browsing so maybe this isn't an issue for most users, but I do browse a lot with it and now feel like my tab is "broken" (sort of the way I felt with Honeycomb that prompted me not to wait for Verizon to fix its failed update). I went so far as to buy a Nexus 7 yesterday morning, but I really didn't like the display and returned it in the afternoon.
I think in Electron73's post there was a link to a download that could be applied to return the tab to Honeycomb. Is that true, and if so has anyone tried reverting and then getting ICS through the OTA update? (It seems that people who have v.07 instead of .04 don't have the browsing problems I've been posting about.) If I reverted to Honeycomb (assuming that's possible) and couldn't get the update OTA, would Verizon / Samsung detect that it had been modified if I tried to get the update by sending it in as so many have had to do? Any other thoughts on possible fixes? Obviously I am pretty ignorant...
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It seems as if my browsing issues may not be similar to what you're experiencing. What I was seeing on my wife's was images not showing up on certain shopping websites (no matter what browser she used) , and sponsored links not working in Google searches. I discovered the problem: the hosts file is NOT stock, and is set to block a lot of sites, or elements within them. I removed every entry in the file except for 127.0.0.1 localhost, and EVERY problem she was having has disappeared!
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It seems as if my browsing issues may not be similar to what you're experiencing. What I was seeing on my wife's was images not showing up on certain shopping websites (no matter what browser she used) , and sponsored links not working in Google searches. I discovered the problem: the hosts file is NOT stock, and is set to block a lot of sites, or elements within them. I removed every entry in the file except for 127.0.0.1 localhost, and EVERY problem she was having has disappeared!
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How did you do that?
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How did you do that?
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It was a bit of a PITA at first since none of my edits would stick. Finally found an app called Hosts Editor Pro in the Store. Soon as you open it up, it seems to replace the current file with a very basic one. Once I rebooted after that, I checked the contents of the file, and only the one entry was there.
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It was a bit of a PITA at first since none of my edits would stick. Finally found an app called Hosts Editor Pro in the Store. Soon as you open it up, it seems to replace the current file with a very basic one. Once I rebooted after that, I checked the contents of the file, and only the one entry was there.
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So do you happen to know if she can follow links on the sites I mentioned (nbcnews.com, pcworld.com) without any problem? And go back to the previous page by hitting the back button? I think one person replied to my original question that they could not, but I'm still trying to figure out if it's some anomaly or a universal result of updating to 4.0.4 in this manner.
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So do you happen to know if she can follow links on the sites I mentioned (nbcnews.com, pcworld.com) without any problem? And go back to the previous page by hitting the back button? I think one person replied to my original question that they could not, but I'm still trying to figure out if it's some anomaly or a universal result of updating to 4.0.4 in this manner.
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Tried both sites, and every action you described, and both sites work perfectly, pop-up ads and all.
When you flashed electrons build, did you use the wipe version, or not?
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Tried both sites, and every action you described, and both sites work perfectly, pop-up ads and all.
When you flashed electrons build, did you use the wipe version, or not?
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I tried to no-wipe first, but it hung for about a half hour, so I went back and did the wipe version.
I've given up on it. I'm giving the tab to my daughter, who won't care about a few browsing incoveniences. I went to Verizon today and bought a new one. I was nervous because I planned to return it if it wouldn't get ICS OTA and they said there would be a $70 restocking fee. But when they stuck the SIM card in and started setup, I could see that it already had ICS on it (the bright blue circle was spinning). The setup didn't look fresh (didn't start with the setup wizard or whatever it's called -- booted directly into the default homepage), even though the tab was sold as new and certainly appears to be. Also, Baseband is i815.04, not .07. My uneducated guess is that the've taken new ones in the warehouse that had Honeycomb and flashed ICS, then shipped them to the stores, so they won't have to deal with all the the returns.
The version of Chrome just released stopped me from either throwing this thing at a wall or (more likely) unlocking and flashing. Up until today, every browser, including Chrome, would load to 90%, then hang for ten seconds or so. If I tried to interact with the page in any way before it finished loading, I'd get the dreaded "xxxx isn't responding, Would you like to close it?.... Wait - OK".
This version (25.0.1364.169), will let me scroll around freely and start reading text while it continues loading pictures and ads. Amazing!
Of course, I will probably unlock and flash a rom eventually, I just wanted to use it for a few months with warranty and maybe wait for 4.2.2 to be released first. I have had very few complaints with the device besides that hanging/error message issue.
I still prefer the stock browser with the Labs 'swipe from edge' hidden address bar feature, but maybe something like that will come to Chrome eventually. Does anyone know how to auto-hide the address bar and tabs in this version of Chrome? Meantime I will use Chrome for all sites where full screen viewing is not vital.
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The version of Chrome just released stopped me from either throwing this thing at a wall or (more likely) unlocking and flashing. Up until today, every browser, including Chrome, would load to 90%, then hang for ten seconds or so. If I tried to interact with the page in any way before it finished loading, I'd get the dreaded "xxxx isn't responding, Would you like to close it?.... Wait - OK".
This version (25.0.1364.169), will let me scroll around freely and start reading text while it continues loading pictures and ads. Amazing!
Of course, I will probably unlock and flash a rom eventually, I just wanted to use it for a few months with warranty and maybe wait for 4.2.2 to be released first. I have had very few complaints with the device besides that hanging/error message issue.
I still prefer the stock browser with the Labs 'swipe from edge' hidden address bar feature, but maybe something like that will come to Chrome eventually. Does anyone know how to auto-hide the address bar and tabs in this version of Chrome? Meantime I will use Chrome for all sites where full screen viewing is not vital.
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Hmm it's still very laggy compared to CROMI and stock browser I'm afraid.
I agree with sbdags cromi and stock browser combo is smoother and more responsive, even compared to latest chrome release . Actually I've found that to be the case for any other browser as well.
Seconded.
I too have a huge performance increase with the new chrome. I'm on CM10.1 so the improvements must not be specific to stock. Glad you posted this :good:; I'd given up on chrome because of laginess. Now I can have my "other devices tab" and good performance at the same time. Biggest noticeable change for me is (as you found) scrolling while pages load.
Noticed the Chrome update this a.m.
Tried it on the usual sluggish java heavy websites still not as snappy as stock under CROMi + B2Ram.
Chrome is slightly better with this update...it's just not a preference with me over stock or BOAT ad free.
For the people using chrome on stock its the Brest version so far. A lot of things got better. Page loading is a lot better when compared to the older version. And the scrolling is great too.
I thought that browser2ram worked with Chrome as well, or was that a specially tweaked version?
@sbdags: I thought I'd seen a Chrome-capable version in CROMI before?
If this is the case, well, then Chrome is just still slower than stock anyway. I love speed dials, but I hate them being so limited in number. The sync capabilities were nice, but ever since the stock browser started supporting sync too I haven't looked back. I traditionally hated stock browser -- be it on Android or on Windows -- but the current one on Android is pretty good with browser2ram attached.
Just thought id chime in on this. Unfrtunately cannot report the same decreased lag with the new Chrome update. In fact, id say it is worse. Unusable actually, which is no loss for me as i use stock...... which is a lag-machine as well, just slightly less so. Ironically, of all the websites i visit regularily, XDA seems to be the most taxing and almost always will produce a FC if i dont let it fully load before attempting to scroll. When i test a browser update i come here to see how fast the page loads!!!
At any rate, i deal with it and still love this tab....
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Noticed the Chrome update this a.m.
Tried it on the usual sluggish java heavy websites still not as snappy as stock under CROMi + B2Ram.
Chrome is slightly better with this update...it's just not a preference with me over stock or BOAT ad free.
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Hmm it's still very laggy compared to CROMI and stock browser I'm afraid.
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Agreed, google chrome is slow, and it wont allow flash, fck google chrome, a browser is useless without flash bc you can barely access any content that isnt text or pics, accessing content is the whole point of the internet. Browsing was a headache until i started using stock browser with B2RAM. browser2RAM more than doubles browsing speed, responsiveness, and smoothness. Stop dicking around with stock ASUS tf700, it is a waste of your time. All the time you spend waiting to browse the web can be spent on ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING.
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a browser is useless without flash bc you can barely access any content that isnt text or pics, accessing content is the whole point of the internet.
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Web content is in HTML and images - Flash is a proprietary disease and must die as soon as possible.
Guys,
I just wanted to warn you from installing mentioned update.
I'm not facing issues descried by other people (Clock not refreshing, Freezes, etc) but I'm facing one huge issue:
- Long list scroll lag.
It's a horror ! I have practically no apps installed (I'm using this phone for my work) and application i use the most is "Email"
I have a lot of e-mails there so I need to scroll up and down often.
In 4.3 - everything was working smooth and scrolling was very quick. After upgrade (and many many reboots) - scrolling of the Email list remains horribly slow. Surprisingly - no issue as such occurs when I'm scrolling contact list, long web pages, or even a gallery.
Those who use stock "Email" app - BEWARE !
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Guys,
I just wanted to warn you from installing mentioned update.
I'm not facing issues descried by other people (Clock not refreshing, Freezes, etc) but I'm facing one huge issue:
- Long list scroll lag.
It's a horror ! I have practically no apps installed (I'm using this phone for my work) and application i use the most is "Email"
I have a lot of e-mails there so I need to scroll up and down often.
In 4.3 - everything was working smooth and scrolling was very quick. After upgrade (and many many reboots) - scrolling of the Email list remains horribly slow. Surprisingly - no issue as such occurs when I'm scrolling contact list, long web pages, or even a gallery.
Those who use stock "Email" app - BEWARE !
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The stock Email app works fine here, and I got alot of e-mails too. Running 4.4.2 I9505XXUFNB8
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The stock Email app works fine here, and I got alot of e-mails too. Running 4.4.2 I9505XXUFNB8
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Have no problems too
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This is definitely the most annoying bug of 4.4.2. I was about to mention it in the 'bug report' topic I created, but after Mr.Einstein decided to close it I decided there's no point in sharing anything with this bloody dumb community.
Anyway, as OP created this topic, I can say something. First it doesn't happen with stock email app only, it happens with all the apps I have tried so far. Aqua Mail (this is my default email app), K9 and then Stock one as already mentioned. When you are scrolling vertically in a long email list, it lags horribly bad. Now I found the reason, and it is the 'message preview' (it is called Message list format in Aqua, be it 1 line, 2 lines or whatever), if you turn it off (no preview) the lag goes away. Weird, but that's how it is. So anyone who doesn't have preview on, will not see the lag/stuttering anyway. Those who have it on, (any person keeps it on I guess?), as a temporary solution is to turn it off.
Thanks for feedback guys. I'm using slightly higher build number but I'm quite sure it's not what is causing the issue. I did some more investigation and it seems problem occurs only in stock email app.
I have 3700 emails now and scrolling is really jittery. This problem does not occur with other apps.
Do you by chance use "Force 2D rendering" in dev options?
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Now I found the reason, and it is the 'message preview' (it is called Message list format in Aqua, be it 1 line, 2 lines or whatever), if you turn it off (no preview) the lag goes away. Weird, but that's how it is. So anyone who doesn't have preview on, will not see the lag/stuttering anyway. Those who have it on, (any person keeps it on I guess?), as a temporary solution is to turn it off.
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I think this is how famous KitKat's "reduced memory footprint" has been achieved. I'm just guessing here but last (jitter) is most likely caused by limited memory buffer to store "preview" content. App must load days from db more often and voila - use experience goes awol.
Thanks for sharing
Thread closed, please use the already existing thread to moan/whine/gripe (delete as appropriate) here >>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2601067
To preface, I have the S22 Ultra 256Gb (Snapdragon) 12Gb of RAM, running the latest firmware. This is not an Exynos only issue, or an 8Gb RAM only issue, it's an EVERYONE issue.
Opening the link below in a browser doesn't show any lag. You need the official Reddit app from the PlayStore to test this unfortunately but it's the perfect example to demonstrate the massive scrolling lag that occurs with some apps.
Large Twitter timelines and some Reddit posts still have very clear scrolling lag, others I am sure notice it elsewhere. If Samsung can resolve this particular issue, I believe the majority of scrolling lag issues people face will also be solved.
From what I can see, many apps use a different rendering method? It's the number of large images that possibly cause the scrolling lag. So, a better method for how the phone loads or renders images is needed to solve this problem with whatever these apps continue to use.
Open this thread below in the OFFICIAL Reddit app and scroll through the main thread at normal scrolling speed, then go back to the top and scroll faster, then test scrolling slowly (the comments under the main thread do not lag).
PLEASE report back if you notice the scrolling lag, and more importantly if someone doesn't notice it with their phone:
"I Coded In The 11 Most META Players From Past FIFAS To See If They Are Still OP"
Whats the Problem? No lag in browser so the reddit App is unoptomized...
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Whats the Problem? No lag in browser so the reddit App is unoptomized...
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I literally said that in the post. Do not test using browsers (because they clearly have different levels of optimizations to save power/data, etc that result in images not loading in their highest qualities while scrolling).
Also how is that not a problem if for a few years now (on multiple high-end Android devices) we've had extremely popular apps, not ones made by small time developers, use rendering methods that are both unoptimized on the APP side and clearly on Android side too (since these issues only began around the time of Android 10 and continued to get worse with time and future iterations).
If apps continue to use that subpar rendering methods or not optimize for scrolling fluidity, and these are apps that are amongst the most popular, then perhaps Samsung/ Other Android manufacturers / Google need to start optimizing on their end.
Because at the end of the day, the user experience here is being affected.
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I literally said that in the post. Do not test using browsers (because they clearly have different levels of optimizations to save power/data, etc that result in images not loading in their highest qualities while scrolling).
Also how is that not a problem if for a few years now (on multiple high-end Android devices) we've had extremely popular apps, not ones made by small time developers, use rendering methods that are both unoptimized on the APP side and clearly on Android side too (since these issues only began around the time of Android 10 and continued to get worse with time and future iterations).
If apps continue to use that subpar rendering methods or not optimize for scrolling fluidity, and these are apps that are amongst the most popular, then perhaps Samsung/ Other Android manufacturers / Google need to start optimizing on their end.
Because at the end of the day, the user experience here is being affected.
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Then use it in the Browser and voila good experience. But i can understand you mate... A big forum like reddit should have an optimized app after all this years... They arent new to the game and it should be optimized for Such an big cpu like the 8gen 1 that is in various Devices...
Goku1992 said:
Then use it in the Browser and voila good experience. But i can understand you mate... A big forum like reddit should have an optimized app after all this years... They arent new to the game and it should be optimized for Such an big cpu like the 8gen 1 that is in various Devices...
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Same applies for the Twitter app too sadly. In fact, it's worse, as 90% of Reddit threads don't have that many photos to lag. But Twitter depending on who one follows, a timeline could be filled with images and scroll stutter.
For reference, both these apps ran smoother on my Pixel 2 XL with zero lag issues by the way despite loading the same high-quality images during scroll.
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Same applies for the Twitter app too sadly. In fact, it's worse, as 90% of Reddit threads don't have that many photos to lag. But Twitter depending on who one follows, a timeline could be filled with images and scroll stutter.
For reference, both these apps ran smoother on my Pixel 2 XL with zero lag issues by the way despite loading the same high-quality images during scroll.
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Okay then this seems like an Android 12/ snapdragon 8gen1 or s22 Problem thats strange...
scrolling like i have 10hz mode on s22u(256 exy).
I can't see any lag with the Reddit App on my Phone (S22U 256GB Exynos)
profi_fahrer said:
I can't see any lag with the Reddit App on my Phone (S22U 256GB Exynos)
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Lucky one
profi_fahrer said:
I can't see any lag with the Reddit App on my Phone (S22U 256GB Exynos)
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Images not loading for you, look at the example below, which is how it should look and why the lag is caused. Same applies with Twitter scrolling and when lots of high-res images are in the timeline. It's very smooth when it's mostly text, or low-res images. Then it lags and stutters when high-res images start coming up.
Samsung/Google/Android have to start optimizing for when high-resolution image rendering or how it's done.
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Lucky one
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Not luck, your one is how it should look, with the high-resolution images. Which is what causes severe scrolling lag.
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What I want to know more importantly is if there is ANYONE who is loading the official app with the images like the above and not having any lag/stutter.
Maybe people with custom ROMS or kernels can please test and let us know if it's the same for them?
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Images not loading for you, look at the example below, which is how it should look and why the lag is caused. Same applies with Twitter scrolling and when lots of high-res images are in the timeline. It's very smooth when it's mostly text, or low-res images. Then it lags and stutters when high-res images start coming up.
Samsung/Google/Android have to start optimizing for when high-resolution image rendering or how it's done.
Not luck, your one is how it should look, with the high-resolution images. Which is what causes severe scrolling lag.
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I think its tíme to say good bye to Samsung family.
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I think its tíme to say good bye to Samsung family.
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I don't think this is a Samsung exclusive issue. I believe it began with Android 10 and has been getting worse since, not sure why.
I can test tomorrow with my brother's Oppo Find X2 Pro.
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Yeah, you're right. I really dont know, why they wouldn't load. Sometimes I can see the preview link, but most of the time, there isn't anything (just the raw text).
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I don't think this is a Samsung exclusive issue. I believe it began with Android 10 and has been getting worse since, not sure why.
I can test tomorrow with my brother's Oppo Find X2 Pro.
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Have tested few phones with a12( latest poco f3 and its smooth as f...)
Samsung cant optimize exy chips
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Have tested few phones with a12( latest poco f3 and its smooth as f...)
Samsung cant optimize exy chips
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If that's true. Samsung really has to fix this horrible experience in apps.
By the way, as I've already stated. This has nothing to do with Exy vs Snapdragon.
I have a Snapdragon model with 256Gb storage and 12Gb ram and it's still happening.
I have a S22u SD 12/256 model, have never had any scrolling/studdering issues but keep seeing posts about it. I'm curious as to what setting your graphics driver is under Developer Options in setting? Looks like you can change that option for individual applications.
Apologies in advance if this has been already thrashed out...
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I have a S22u SD 12/256 model, have never had any scrolling/studdering issues but keep seeing posts about it. I'm curious as to what setting your graphics driver is under Developer Options in setting? Looks like you can change that option for individual applications.
Apologies in advance if this has been already thrashed out...
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I am very curious by this, so please do come back and let us know. No offence taken by the way.
I believe you can login to Reddit as anonymous or use it without creating an account at all. Can you please download it from the PlayStore, then come and open the reddit thread in original post at the top and test it scrolling? Check the video by @vlubosh above.
Developer settings on/off do not impact it, animation on/off does not impact it, graphics driver settings under developer setting on/off do not change it. Forcing GPU rendering under developer settings does not impact it. Doing tweaks to the build.prop do not impact it either.
The stutter lag has been there the whole time for me, with every firmware update too.
You could get lucky and in the apps you use you'll never notice it. But given for example Twitter and Reddit are my primary uses with the phone outside my work, then my entire experience, outside of amazing camera, has been horrible with this phone.
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I am very curious by this, so please do come back and let us know. No offence taken by the way.
I believe you can login to Reddit as anonymous or use it without creating an account at all. Can you please download it from the PlayStore, then come and open the reddit thread in original post at the top and test it scrolling? Check the video by @vlubosh above.
Developer settings on/off do not impact it, animation on/off does not impact it, graphics driver settings under developer setting on/off do not change it. Forcing GPU rendering under developer settings does not impact it. Doing tweaks to the build.prop do not impact it either.
The stutter lag has been there the whole time for me, with every firmware update too.
You could get lucky and in the apps you use you'll never notice it. But given for example Twitter and Reddit are my primary uses with the phone outside my work, then my entire experience, outside of amazing camera, has been horrible with this phone.
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I first clicked on your link in the original post above which displayed the reddit web pages and everything scrolled smoothly. Tried it with 120 and then 60 hz refresh and no lag.
I then installed the reddit app and clicked on your link above and was able to get it displayed in the app. Didn't matter if I had 120 or 60hz screen refresh or how I had the setting for the graphics driver set, never had any lag.
Let me know if you have any questions.
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I first clicked on your link in the original post above which displayed the reddit web pages and everything scrolled smoothly. Tried it with 120 and then 60 hz refresh and no lag.
I then installed the reddit app and clicked on your link above and was able to get it displayed in the app. Didn't matter if I had 120 or 60hz screen refresh or how I had the setting for the graphics driver set, never had any lag.
Let me know if you have any questions.
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Were the images loaded for you in the app? Like the video by @vlubosh or does it look like the video posted by @profi_fahrer
What firmware are you currently running?
It loads the images like @vlubosh with the images. Se attachment for version info.